Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 05:16:30 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 30, 2011, 05:22:22 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on June 30, 2011, 05:44:32 AM
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 06:15:40 AM
Post by: danderson on June 30, 2011, 06:29:42 AM
Post by: 400out on June 30, 2011, 06:30:57 AM
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 06:39:59 AM
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Post by: str8meat on June 30, 2011, 07:16:17 AM
Post by: UBA on June 30, 2011, 08:14:52 AM
Post by: Caseyd on June 30, 2011, 08:28:44 AM
Colvilles do. Not sure what the Yakimas do. Plateau would have to answer that. I'm hoping one of our members gets a pic. It was bigger than anything I've heard or seen out at Hanford even.:yike:
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 08:37:29 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on June 30, 2011, 08:46:04 AM
You see something report it regardless if they look Tribal or not. I would support it whether anybody thinks I would or not. It is sad when there are unethical poachers like this and if I were to see it I would do something about it. Done it before and will continue to do it.
Change is needed and I'm not going to argue that. If anybody would like to PM me when you see stuff like this then feel free to do so or if you're out in the woods take pics and gather as much info. as possible and give it to me if you don't want to be the one to report it. I will gladly do it for you with some info.
That's being serious and not just saying it so please don't get me confused with somebody blowing smoke up someones butt or empty promises. If it's legitimate, I will help in anyway possible.
Post by: Alan K on June 30, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
Thanks for making my day Bone :bash:
:yeah:
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Post by: huntnfmly on June 30, 2011, 09:10:06 AM
I really don't understand that. :bash: Why June and why a bull? Cows eat better anyway.because they can :bash: :bash:Its not right
Post by: bobcat on June 30, 2011, 09:14:00 AM
I'll have to take a look at their regulations again. Sure doesn't seem right.
Post by: PolarBear on June 30, 2011, 09:14:17 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 30, 2011, 10:16:20 AM
I thought the tribal season started August 1st. Guess I thought wrong. :dunno:Most tribal seasons start on Aug.1st but at anytime of the year for ceremonial reasons, birthdays, deaths, someone passed gas- they can go kill anytime. I'm not saying this is tribal by the way, sure would be nice to get the truth about it.
I'll have to take a look at their regulations again. Sure doesn't seem right.
Post by: akirkland on June 30, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
Post by: elkoholic1 on June 30, 2011, 10:35:12 AM
Post by: buckhorn2 on June 30, 2011, 10:35:39 AM
Post by: jackmaster on June 30, 2011, 10:42:22 AM
Post by: jake on June 30, 2011, 12:03:31 PM
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Post by: runamuk on June 30, 2011, 12:12:24 PM
can someone explain to me why anyone in their right mind tribal or not would want to shoot a bull of any size or a buck of any size when their velvet is in full swing and isnt done growing yet to the point where their antlers are gonna be a waist, and dont give me "oh they will harden up and all that b.s" :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
velvet antlers command more money the velvet is a male enhancer in asian medicine hasnt got crap to do with trophies its all sold to be ground up
Post by: str8meat on June 30, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
Post by: jackmaster on June 30, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
the las thing i need is ground up elk antler or velvet to get in the mood. what some people will do never amazes me. what a shame.i heard that, all i need is a little breeze, when it gets to the point of needing velvet antlers i guess it will be time to take me out and put a bullet in my head.....
Post by: PlateauNDN on June 30, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
Thanks Bone for sharing and if you can provide some detail that would be great. It would go along way to figure out who had the elk. If anybody has questions about something like this let me know because the more info. I can get the more I can do something about stuff like this.
You see something report it regardless if they look Tribal or not. I would support it whether anybody thinks I would or not. It is sad when there are unethical poachers like this and if I were to see it I would do something about it. Done it before and will continue to do it.
Change is needed and I'm not going to argue that. If anybody would like to PM me when you see stuff like this then feel free to do so or if you're out in the woods take pics and gather as much info. as possible and give it to me if you don't want to be the one to report it. I will gladly do it for you with some info.
That's being serious and not just saying it so please don't get me confused with somebody blowing smoke up someones butt or empty promises. If it's legitimate, I will help in anyway possible.
So, from the sounds of what I've read everybody just breezed by what I stated and isn't looking for any kind of assistance in dealing with situations like this? I'm more than willing to provide assistance if asked and more than willing to do something about situations like this. Why not work together to do something about these types of situations and work together? Don't turn a blind eye because they look Tribal, gather info. and if you don't want to turn it in then give it to me and I will be glad to do it for you.
Post by: runamuk on June 30, 2011, 01:09:01 PM
Thanks Bone for sharing and if you can provide some detail that would be great. It would go along way to figure out who had the elk. If anybody has questions about something like this let me know because the more info. I can get the more I can do something about stuff like this.
You see something report it regardless if they look Tribal or not. I would support it whether anybody thinks I would or not. It is sad when there are unethical poachers like this and if I were to see it I would do something about it. Done it before and will continue to do it.
Change is needed and I'm not going to argue that. If anybody would like to PM me when you see stuff like this then feel free to do so or if you're out in the woods take pics and gather as much info. as possible and give it to me if you don't want to be the one to report it. I will gladly do it for you with some info.
That's being serious and not just saying it so please don't get me confused with somebody blowing smoke up someones butt or empty promises. If it's legitimate, I will help in anyway possible.
So, from the sounds of what I've read everybody just breezed by what I stated and isn't looking for any kind of assistance in dealing with situations like this? I'm more than willing to provide assistance if asked and more than willing to do something about situations like this. Why not work together to do something about these types of situations and work together? Don't turn a blind eye because they look Tribal, gather info. and if you don't want to turn it in then give it to me and I will be glad to do it for you.
Plateau I noted what you said and when I am in that area again I will be in touch if I see anything...I have photographed lots of the damage done by illegals and the mess left behind by illegal baits and poaching but never seem to find anyone who is real interested :dunno: the fact that you want to seek some answers is refreshing... of course I feel sort of obligated to report what I see when its really sort of odd.....
Post by: Gringo31 on June 30, 2011, 01:10:29 PM
You going to tell me you didn't have you camera with you :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Houndhunter on June 30, 2011, 01:26:08 PM
Post by: grundy53 on June 30, 2011, 01:31:56 PM
Thanks Bone for sharing and if you can provide some detail that would be great. It would go along way to figure out who had the elk. If anybody has questions about something like this let me know because the more info. I can get the more I can do something about stuff like this.
You see something report it regardless if they look Tribal or not. I would support it whether anybody thinks I would or not. It is sad when there are unethical poachers like this and if I were to see it I would do something about it. Done it before and will continue to do it.
Change is needed and I'm not going to argue that. If anybody would like to PM me when you see stuff like this then feel free to do so or if you're out in the woods take pics and gather as much info. as possible and give it to me if you don't want to be the one to report it. I will gladly do it for you with some info.
That's being serious and not just saying it so please don't get me confused with somebody blowing smoke up someones butt or empty promises. If it's legitimate, I will help in anyway possible.
So, from the sounds of what I've read everybody just breezed by what I stated and isn't looking for any kind of assistance in dealing with situations like this? I'm more than willing to provide assistance if asked and more than willing to do something about situations like this. Why not work together to do something about these types of situations and work together? Don't turn a blind eye because they look Tribal, gather info. and if you don't want to turn it in then give it to me and I will be glad to do it for you.
I read it and think that is a stand up offer. If I knew anything about it I would give you any info I had. :tup:
Post by: Rainier10 on June 30, 2011, 02:16:40 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on June 30, 2011, 02:37:10 PM
:yeah:Thanks Bone for sharing and if you can provide some detail that would be great. It would go along way to figure out who had the elk. If anybody has questions about something like this let me know because the more info. I can get the more I can do something about stuff like this.
You see something report it regardless if they look Tribal or not. I would support it whether anybody thinks I would or not. It is sad when there are unethical poachers like this and if I were to see it I would do something about it. Done it before and will continue to do it.
Change is needed and I'm not going to argue that. If anybody would like to PM me when you see stuff like this then feel free to do so or if you're out in the woods take pics and gather as much info. as possible and give it to me if you don't want to be the one to report it. I will gladly do it for you with some info.
That's being serious and not just saying it so please don't get me confused with somebody blowing smoke up someones butt or empty promises. If it's legitimate, I will help in anyway possible.
So, from the sounds of what I've read everybody just breezed by what I stated and isn't looking for any kind of assistance in dealing with situations like this? I'm more than willing to provide assistance if asked and more than willing to do something about situations like this. Why not work together to do something about these types of situations and work together? Don't turn a blind eye because they look Tribal, gather info. and if you don't want to turn it in then give it to me and I will be glad to do it for you.
I read it and think that is a stand up offer. If I knew anything about it I would give you any info I had. :tup:
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 03:17:36 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 30, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 03:27:14 PM
Not sure what the season is. Colvilles is July 1st I think for deer through December 31st. Used to be anyway. Not sure about elk....
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 03:29:11 PM
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 03:39:49 PM
Good for them.
Their regs are quite well defined.
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 03:44:20 PM
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 03:52:21 PM
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 03:54:56 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on June 30, 2011, 03:58:02 PM
Thanks Bone for sharing and if you can provide some detail that would be great. It would go along way to figure out who had the elk. If anybody has questions about something like this let me know because the more info. I can get the more I can do something about stuff like this.
You see something report it regardless if they look Tribal or not. I would support it whether anybody thinks I would or not. It is sad when there are unethical poachers like this and if I were to see it I would do something about it. Done it before and will continue to do it.
Change is needed and I'm not going to argue that. If anybody would like to PM me when you see stuff like this then feel free to do so or if you're out in the woods take pics and gather as much info. as possible and give it to me if you don't want to be the one to report it. I will gladly do it for you with some info.
That's being serious and not just saying it so please don't get me confused with somebody blowing smoke up someones butt or empty promises. If it's legitimate, I will help in anyway possible.
:tup: I take you at your word.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 30, 2011, 04:01:09 PM
Post by: GoldTip on June 30, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
Post by: bucklucky on June 30, 2011, 04:12:36 PM
o.k so everyone is saying that the bulls have horns big enough to poach at this time ..Well thats crazy I have not seen any big ones with horns over 3 feet in length But they had some nice lookin eye guards which are around 18 to 20 inches long ....
Northwest Trek but horn growth should be pretty similar on BIG bulls. ? Look at the roosie in the back with the split Sword :yike:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 30, 2011, 04:31:18 PM
OOkaaay ..Maybe they fed them steroids ...hahahaha I seen a couple now but they are not lookin like that and I know the ones I saw should be biggins but I may be wrong ...crazyo.k so everyone is saying that the bulls have horns big enough to poach at this time ..Well thats crazy I have not seen any big ones with horns over 3 feet in length But they had some nice lookin eye guards which are around 18 to 20 inches long ....
Northwest Trek but horn growth should be pretty similar on BIG bulls. ? Look at the roosie in the back with the split Sword :yike:
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 04:40:33 PM
Head and antlers Goldtip. Looked like game bags as well with possible quarters. NOT whole animal.
Post by: PlateauNDN on June 30, 2011, 04:44:57 PM
Maybe they killed it on the reservation.
Very, Highly & Extremely Doubtful, and you can trust me when I say that.
I didn't have my camera, I was coming home from work. It was coming towards me on 1st street in Yakima. I saw it in the distance and though someone was hauling wood. As it approached I thought someone had a stump with branches sticking out of it for the dump, yard decoration or something like that. This is coming at me mind you. Then I noted it was an antler configuration. Then it passed me on the road, and I flipped a Uturn faster than YPD could find me. HOLY COW. I bet it was 12 inches across the base of the sword. The closest critter I could think of was the big bull out of Arizona a couple years ago. Hornseeker'b bulls swords came to mind, but these flared more. and the rack was wider. The appearance of mass was more too, but honestly velvet is hard to judge. Full sized pickup, and the rack was well out both sides and well over the top. The fact they will grow most of July just AMAZES me as this bull was already pushing the fourth century mark.
You have a truck description? Color, make, model? I'm really curious now and in all honesty I want to find them because S#%t like this is uncalled for and unethical. I've had not so kind words before and if I can track them down I will have some more unkind words. It's stuff like this that really pisses me off! I would've loved to see this bull at full growth regardless of who harvested him.
Unfortunately, some one without ethics has just walked away with this beautiful bull. I've already spread the word about it and hopefully somebody down here will know who it was. More than likely their going to brag about it and then word will travel. I'll keep everybody posted and if you have any clues even the smallest please let me know Bone.
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
Honestly I'll be AMAZED if I don't hear about it or catch a pic of it. I get shown all sorts of pics at soccer games and basketball. I'd imagine word would spread fast. I assume they'd strip the velvet immediately and the rest would be porous bone. I was with a Colville when he shot a whitetail on the 4th of July weekend a few years back and the antlers were worthless. He just left the head. I peeled back the velvet as I was curious and it was spongy, with no hard layer yet. :dunno:
Post by: rasbo on June 30, 2011, 05:40:07 PM
o.k so everyone is saying that the bulls have horns big enough to poach at this time ..Well thats crazy I have not seen any big ones with horns over 3 feet in length But they had some nice lookin eye guards which are around 18 to 20 inches long ....I seen an awesome 5pt a few days ago great rack.
Post by: trophyhunt on June 30, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
Post by: 400out on June 30, 2011, 08:14:33 PM
Newer model Red Chevy 1/2 ton (gas). Probably had a 2 inch lift.(looked higher than stock) Have to admit I was looking at the antlers. Three across the front seat. Had a small dream catcher in the front and some sort of emblem (white sticker) in the rear window.Sorry Bone I find this hard to believe! Not to offend but how could you not say anything! Or was this the end of a friendship :dunno:
Honestly I'll be AMAZED if I don't hear about it or catch a pic of it. I get shown all sorts of pics at soccer games and basketball. I'd imagine word would spread fast. I assume they'd strip the velvet immediately and the rest would be porous bone. I was with a Colville when he shot a whitetail on the 4th of July weekend a few years back and the antlers were worthless. He just left the head. I peeled back the velvet as I was curious and it was spongy, with no hard layer yet. :dunno:
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 30, 2011, 08:18:49 PM
buck season started on june 1st on the colville rez. they are legal to do so.Newer model Red Chevy 1/2 ton (gas). Probably had a 2 inch lift.(looked higher than stock) Have to admit I was looking at the antlers. Three across the front seat. Had a small dream catcher in the front and some sort of emblem (white sticker) in the rear window.Sorry Bone I find this hard to believe! Not to offend but how could you not say anything! Or was this the end of a friendship :dunno:
Honestly I'll be AMAZED if I don't hear about it or catch a pic of it. I get shown all sorts of pics at soccer games and basketball. I'd imagine word would spread fast. I assume they'd strip the velvet immediately and the rest would be porous bone. I was with a Colville when he shot a whitetail on the 4th of July weekend a few years back and the antlers were worthless. He just left the head. I peeled back the velvet as I was curious and it was spongy, with no hard layer yet. :dunno:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 01, 2011, 08:30:41 AM
I have a question regarding todays new cash cow and can it be used to at least to get some revenue from these types? Bigtex? Is it applicable to tribals?
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 01, 2011, 08:32:45 AM
Newer model Red Chevy 1/2 ton (gas). Probably had a 2 inch lift.(looked higher than stock) Have to admit I was looking at the antlers. Three across the front seat. Had a small dream catcher in the front and some sort of emblem (white sticker) in the rear window.
Honestly I'll be AMAZED if I don't hear about it or catch a pic of it. I get shown all sorts of pics at soccer games and basketball. I'd imagine word would spread fast. I assume they'd strip the velvet immediately and the rest would be porous bone. I was with a Colville when he shot a whitetail on the 4th of July weekend a few years back and the antlers were worthless. He just left the head. I peeled back the velvet as I was curious and it was spongy, with no hard layer yet. :dunno:
Thanks Bone, that's just what I needed. Not to many lifted Red Chevy's around here and theres about 2 or 3 that come to mind that fit the description you gave. Keep you posted.
Elkaholic daWg, which "cash cow" are you referring to?
Post by: Elkrunner on July 01, 2011, 08:36:42 AM
Post by: CedarPants on July 01, 2011, 08:52:51 AM
Thanks Bone, that's just what I needed. Not to many lifted Red Chevy's around here and theres about 2 or 3 that come to mind that fit the description you gave. Keep you posted.
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Thank you Plateau. Very curious about this ....
Post by: turbo on July 01, 2011, 02:17:39 PM
Post by: boneaddict on July 01, 2011, 02:21:26 PM
Post by: Elkrunner on July 01, 2011, 02:25:34 PM
Post by: FC on July 01, 2011, 02:32:57 PM
Thanks Bone, that's just what I needed. Not to many lifted Red Chevy's around here and theres about 2 or 3 that come to mind that fit the description you gave. Keep you posted.
Out of curiosity, what can you do or get done about this assuming it was a tribal kill? I know anyone not of a tribe would be in major league DEEP doo-doo if caught.
Post by: bucklucky on July 01, 2011, 05:30:21 PM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on July 01, 2011, 06:22:08 PM
Come on there has to be someone that got pictures !!!
:yeah: I am curious about this bull!
Post by: rebal69972 on July 01, 2011, 06:48:42 PM
Post by: unluckyjohn on July 02, 2011, 06:47:06 AM
Post by: mulehunter on July 02, 2011, 06:55:42 AM
Come on there has to be someone that got pictures !!!
:yeah: I am curious about this bull!
:yeah: X 10. That's why I carry my camera with me 24/7 from now on. I promise I will get lots pics soon I find something is wrong.
Mulehunter
Post by: boneaddict on July 02, 2011, 08:17:02 AM
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Did I miss in all this when you thought a crime may/could have been committed
I never thought a crime was committed. As far as I know they can hunt 24/7 365. I have no idea what their season is. If it was someone picking up a roadkill, I personally don't think thats a crime. Meat doesn't go to waste and it avoids the big stink. Plus something that big would be a traffic hazard.
I don't think its RIGHT, but I don't think its illegal
Post by: unluckyjohn on July 02, 2011, 08:54:05 AM
Post by: bucklucky on July 02, 2011, 10:11:35 AM
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Post by: bucklucky on July 02, 2011, 11:33:21 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 02, 2011, 04:49:39 PM
Never assume anything. I try an live by that. One time I assumed I heard a hunter walking towards me during early archery elk hunting, yup, it was a bull and would have wlked right in front of me haddent I assumed it was another hunter :chuckle:
Laffin.. That just made this whole post worth reading chaz, thanks for the laugh... Later
Post by: boneaddict on July 02, 2011, 06:32:53 PM
Post by: bucklucky on July 02, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on July 02, 2011, 09:33:41 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 05, 2011, 10:26:11 AM
I talked with a couple of old co-workers and they haven't heard if it was the same group or not but they really appreciated the info. and are keeping an eye out. That's a direct thanks to Bone from them for providing the info.
And to those that think I'm just blowing smoke or full of BS I'll add this because I don't think anybody heard about it. This past friday I was at Yakima County Superior Court attending a poaching case involving 2 gentleman that were not Yakamas nor any other Tribe but were descendants (which means not enough blood to be enrolled members). They attempted to plead their case that they were Indians but without belonging to a Tribe they are not subject to our laws or any other Tribes laws. They were attempting to elude a Tribal Game Warden east of Rimrock lake and were finally cornered and caught with the assistance with WSP.
The Tribal Game Warden was in attendance on behalf of the prosecution and there were several other Tribal Officials in attendance to speak out against these gentlemen for trying to use the Tribe on their behalf for poaching. The Tribal Game Warden back tracked from where he first encountered them and managed to find the gut pile and photograph and mark the scene for coordinates.
The case was continued until the 22nd I believe and I will keep you guys posted on the outcome if you'd like?
As I mentioned before please call in the information you may have or give it to me and I'll do it. Even if they look Tribal or not I check everybody I encounter and I don't have a problem doing it. If you want to remain anonymous then give it to me and I'll do it.
Post by: Buckmark on July 05, 2011, 11:07:09 AM
The bull in question I have not seen but the truck in question belongs to a gentleman in the Toppenish area and he had a permit to harvest a cow elk or doe (since the season doesn't start till Aug. 31 for them) for the sole purpose of providing the meat to the family of a Tribal Member that passed away last week. If he was not able to locate a bull or buck then the permit would allow for the harvest of the female species as a worst case scenario. Again, the permit is only good for the harvest of one animal and it specifies who the permit holder is and for what reason.???? So i am confused, did you mean to say (and dont let me put word in your mouth) that this person had a permit for either a Cow Elk or Doe, and in the event that either of those where unable to be located that the permit holder could then in a worst case scenario take a Bull or Buck to fill the permit?
And if so, really he could not locate a cow or doe....really....
Post by: Tbar on July 05, 2011, 11:19:12 AM
Post by: Buckmark on July 05, 2011, 11:26:42 AM
Bucks and bulls are open I think. No permit needed? I believe that was said earlier but could be wrong.Ok, thanks..
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 05, 2011, 11:34:34 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on July 05, 2011, 12:34:30 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on July 05, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
Thanks for the follow up. Any idea on the thought process of shooting a huge bull in velvet in late June/early July vs. a smaller bull or spike? I personally hope the antlers aren't worth anything or that profit wasn't the motive.:yeah:
Post by: unluckyjohn on July 05, 2011, 05:09:04 PM
Did I miss in all this when you thought a crime may/could have been committed and you called 911 to report a possible crime? The police (game or tribal) will call you back and inform you and all of us the real story. we will call in a possible drunk driver or someone committing a crime against a person but ASSUME the tribes are just doing their thing. I am not defending just making the point of why not question and make law enforcement help keep an eye on our game.
911 OR NOT WHEN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU SEE THIS, OR DO WE JUST ASSUME ITS THE TRIBE AND WE SHOULDNT ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD BE ASKED WHEN A CRIME WAS/ COULD HAVE BEEN COMMITTED
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 05, 2011, 05:19:16 PM
Thanks for the follow up. Any idea on the thought process of shooting a huge bull in velvet in late June/early July vs. a smaller bull or spike? I personally hope the antlers aren't worth anything or that profit wasn't the motive.:yeah:
I honestly don't know their motives or intentions and I'm notquiet aboutmy distatse for what was done and continues to happen. When I find out more I will keep everyone posted. Also I check with everybody I see in the woods and don't have a problem being checked myself.
Post by: 724wd on July 08, 2011, 09:44:49 AM
Post by: boneaddict on July 08, 2011, 10:07:34 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on July 08, 2011, 10:49:09 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 08, 2011, 11:46:56 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 08, 2011, 12:28:44 PM
If they had harvested the bull for the funeral then nothing can be done legally and that's really upsetting they had to harvest such a magnificent bull prematurely instead of another smaller bull or fill the female permit they received.
I will continue to keep everybody posted.
Post by: dreamingbig on July 08, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
Post by: tshoote30 on July 08, 2011, 12:55:41 PM
Post by: savetheELK on July 08, 2011, 01:07:11 PM
The gates need to be locked to many body's up there with no heads. damn poachers
Post by: unluckyjohn on July 08, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
I was not happy with that answer and proceeded to call the authorities.
Now thats an idea! at least you tried. Thank you for not just assuming.
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 08, 2011, 04:51:17 PM
Ive been hunting the 328 gmu for 20+ years. Two years in a row i have witnessed a 80s-90s red ford f-150 haul elk out of the game reserve in the colockum. last year i confronted the truck without plates and three dead bull elk in the back. The two men inside told me they were tribal members from Yakima. I proceded to ask why they were hunting the game reserve and they said they can hunt anywhere they want. I was not happy with that answer and proceeded to call the authorities. they took of fast when i got my phone. I would have chased but i had my two young boys with me. This was in august mid week about 2 weeks before bow season. do you think they ever got stopped. I'm going up there same time this year and I'm going to flattin the tires on that truck if there parked on the reserve.
The gates need to be locked to many body's up there with no heads. damn poachers
I'm glad you chose to do something about what you saw. It might be to much to ask but can you take a camera, pencil and paper this year and gather intel. first before approaching them? Once you have the intel. on them then contact the authorities with what you are witnessing. You don't have to say they're Tribal Members just say you believe they're poaching or what ever comes to mind and that would at least get L.E. started on the case.
I'm not telling you what to do but I strongly encourage you not to do anything physical for the safety of everybody involved. It's discouraging but, having everybody in one piece is better than having anyone end up in the hospital.
If you would like maybe gather the info. and give it to me and I would be glad to assist you with it?
Post by: Tbar on July 08, 2011, 10:06:05 PM
Post by: Deep Forks on July 09, 2011, 02:33:50 AM
Ive been hunting the 328 gmu for 20+ years. Two years in a row i have witnessed a 80s-90s red ford f-150 haul elk out of the game reserve in the colockum. last year i confronted the truck without plates and three dead bull elk in the back. The two men inside told me they were tribal members from Yakima. I proceded to ask why they were hunting the game reserve and they said they can hunt anywhere they want. I was not happy with that answer and proceeded to call the authorities. they took of fast when i got my phone. I would have chased but i had my two young boys with me. This was in august mid week about 2 weeks before bow season. do you think they ever got stopped. I'm going up there same time this year and I'm going to flattin the tires on that truck if there parked on the reserve.I've also seen this pick-up by the reserve with a bull (6x6) in the back in late August. We called the WSP and told them we were following them down toward Ellensburg. They were pulled over and we had given the WSP the info we had. A week or so later we received a call and were told the natives were within their rights but thanks for reporting. :bash:
The gates need to be locked to many body's up there with no heads. damn poachers
Post by: boneaddict on July 09, 2011, 05:26:57 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on July 09, 2011, 05:36:15 PM
I thought the tribal season started August 1st. Guess I thought wrong. :dunno:Most tribal seasons start on Aug.1st but at anytime of the year for ceremonial reasons, birthdays, deaths, someone passed gas- they can go kill anytime. I'm not saying this is tribal by the way, sure would be nice to get the truth about it.
I'll have to take a look at their regulations again. Sure doesn't seem right.
That is correct.
I know a guy who was let out of county jail to go kill a ceremonial elk. :bash:
Speaking of let out...there was a Nisqually busted for DWI outside of Thurston County that had his case moved to tribal court so he could do work release. He walked across the street to his firework stand. He said it was like "Mayberry".
Post by: KNOPHISH on July 10, 2011, 07:49:52 PM
Post by: biggdogg on July 10, 2011, 08:53:53 PM
Post by: colockumelk on July 11, 2011, 12:12:10 AM
Newer model Red Chevy 1/2 ton (gas). Probably had a 2 inch lift.(looked higher than stock) Have to admit I was looking at the antlers. Three across the front seat. Had a small dream catcher in the front and some sort of emblem (white sticker) in the rear window.
@biggdogg. Here was the vehicle description.
Post by: boneaddict on July 11, 2011, 05:07:40 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on July 11, 2011, 08:23:47 AM
was it a red ford ranger if it was the bull came off the reservation seen the whole animal in the back on my way home with my boys from a day of trout fishing at the lakes that was on saturdayDid you report it?
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 11, 2011, 04:10:16 PM
Ive been hunting the 328 gmu for 20+ years. Two years in a row i have witnessed a 80s-90s red ford f-150 haul elk out of the game reserve in the colockum. last year i confronted the truck without plates and three dead bull elk in the back. The two men inside told me they were tribal members from Yakima. I proceded to ask why they were hunting the game reserve and they said they can hunt anywhere they want. I was not happy with that answer and proceeded to call the authorities. they took of fast when i got my phone. I would have chased but i had my two young boys with me. This was in august mid week about 2 weeks before bow season. do you think they ever got stopped. I'm going up there same time this year and I'm going to flattin the tires on that truck if there parked on the reserve.I've also seen this pick-up by the reserve with a bull (6x6) in the back in late August. We called the WSP and told them we were following them down toward Ellensburg. They were pulled over and we had given the WSP the info we had. A week or so later we received a call and were told the natives were within their rights but thanks for reporting. :bash:
The gates need to be locked to many body's up there with no heads. damn poachers
Sorry it took so long but I've been busy with work but here are some answers. The information is the Revised Yakama Law & Order Code and only pertains to the Yakama Reservation and the Ceded Areas under the Tribes Jurisdiction.
Sec. 32.106.09: HUNTING PROHIBITED. Subject to the exceptions in Sections 32.106.09 and 32.106.11, hunting or taking of wildlife by any persons within any wildlife reserve is prohibited. Violation of this Section by an Indian is a gross misdemeanor.
Sec. 32.106.15: UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF HUNTING EQUIPMENT. It shall be unlawful for any person to have in his or her possession any hunting equipment, including, but not limited to, rifles, shotguns, or bows and arrows, within a wildlife reserve, unless such person also possesses any Special Permits required under this Chapter. Violation of this Section by an Indian is a gross misdemeanor.
Sec. 32.110.57: FAILURE TO IDENTIFY. It shall be unlawful for any person reasonably suspected of violating this Code who is able to offer proof of his or her identity to willfully refuse to do so to a game warden who, after identifying himself as such, demands identification. Violation of this Section by an Indian is a gross misdemeanor.
Cow Elk and Doe are closed season from January 1 thru August 31.
BillytheKidRock, As for the Yakamas we don't allow the release of inmates whether it's Tribal, City or County Jail for hunting reasons. In order for somebody to get out of jail they first have to go before the judge and plead their case and provide proof of being an immediate family member. If they are being held for a serious offense then they have to be escorted by L.E. and wear ankle shackles at the very least.
I don't know how the Nisqually or whoever that gentleman is with could allow such an event but it doesn't occur here. It's incidents like this that give everybody a bad name, that's abuse of privileges and should not be occuring. I provided escort for a lot of funerals and majority of the time they were only released for the final day or two. Even when my grandmother passed (my mom's mom) my uncle (my mom's brother) was not allowed to attend until the day of the burial with escort and wrist, waist and ankle restraints and he was in custody for a DUI.
If anybody has any questions let me know.
Post by: Tbar on July 11, 2011, 04:17:51 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 11, 2011, 05:01:22 PM
Thanks plateau I appreciate all your time and knowledge. What about the farm fields? Thanks again
Sorry, the only thing I could find that would address this is the following:
Sec. 32.110.43: HUNTING NEAR RESIDENCES. Attempting to hunt, kill, take, trap or pursue any wildlife within a 200-yard radius of an inhabited dwelling or livestock feedlot, unless permissions to do so has been granted by the owner or tenant, is prohibited. Violation of this Section by an Indian is a misdemeanor.
If the farmer were the property owner within the Ceded Area he could in essence allow a Tribal Member to hunt the property but, he could not assist with the hunt in anyway per:
Sec. 32.110.49: UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.
A. It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(1) Hunt or take wildlife pursuant to Treaty Hunting Rights for the use of any person in his or her company who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting Rights; or
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or assist him or her in exercising such rights.
It's lawful but, the landowner has to give permission and not assist per above and if it's violated then both parties face criminal violations.
Any other questions please let me know.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 12, 2011, 08:38:20 AM
Ive been hunting the 328 gmu for 20+ years. Two years in a row i have witnessed a 80s-90s red ford f-150 haul elk out of the game reserve in the colockum. last year i confronted the truck without plates and three dead bull elk in the back. The two men inside told me they were tribal members from Yakima. I proceded to ask why they were hunting the game reserve and they said they can hunt anywhere they want. I was not happy with that answer and proceeded to call the authorities. they took of fast when i got my phone. I would have chased but i had my two young boys with me. This was in august mid week about 2 weeks before bow season. do you think they ever got stopped. I'm going up there same time this year and I'm going to flattin the tires on that truck if there parked on the reserve.I've also seen this pick-up by the reserve with a bull (6x6) in the back in late August. We called the WSP and told them we were following them down toward Ellensburg. They were pulled over and we had given the WSP the info we had. A week or so later we received a call and were told the natives were within their rights but thanks for reporting. :bash:
The gates need to be locked to many body's up there with no heads. damn poachers
Sorry it took so long but I've been busy with work but here are some answers. The information is the Revised Yakama Law & Order Code and only pertains to the Yakama Reservation and the Ceded Areas under the Tribes Jurisdiction.
Sec. 32.106.09: HUNTING PROHIBITED. Subject to the exceptions in Sections 32.106.09 and 32.106.11, hunting or taking of wildlife by any persons within any wildlife reserve is prohibited. Violation of this Section by an Indian is a gross misdemeanor.
Sec. 32.106.15: UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF HUNTING EQUIPMENT. It shall be unlawful for any person to have in his or her possession any hunting equipment, including, but not limited to, rifles, shotguns, or bows and arrows, within a wildlife reserve, unless such person also possesses any Special Permits required under this Chapter. Violation of this Section by an Indian is a gross misdemeanor.
Sec. 32.110.57: FAILURE TO IDENTIFY. It shall be unlawful for any person reasonably suspected of violating this Code who is able to offer proof of his or her identity to willfully refuse to do so to a game warden who, after identifying himself as such, demands identification. Violation of this Section by an Indian is a gross misdemeanor.
Cow Elk and Doe are closed season from January 1 thru August 31.
BillytheKidRock, As for the Yakamas we don't allow the release of inmates whether it's Tribal, City or County Jail for hunting reasons. In order for somebody to get out of jail they first have to go before the judge and plead their case and provide proof of being an immediate family member. If they are being held for a serious offense then they have to be escorted by L.E. and wear ankle shackles at the very least.
I don't know how the Nisqually or whoever that gentleman is with could allow such an event but it doesn't occur here. It's incidents like this that give everybody a bad name, that's abuse of privileges and should not be occuring. I provided escort for a lot of funerals and majority of the time they were only released for the final day or two. Even when my grandmother passed (my mom's mom) my uncle (my mom's brother) was not allowed to attend until the day of the burial with escort and wrist, waist and ankle restraints and he was in custody for a DUI.
If anybody has any questions let me know.
Thanks PlateauNDN. Yes one question Could you give us a URL so that we can print those up out of the official rule book? Or tell us how to get a copy of it?
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 12, 2011, 08:44:40 AM
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on July 12, 2011, 09:15:30 AM
If anybody would like a pdf version shoot me a PM and I will provide you with my e-mail and will send it to you. Again, this only pertains to the Yakama Reservation and Ceded land under the Yakama Nation Jurisdiction. If there is any other Tribe/Tribal Member caught hunting in the Ceded Area or Coming off the Yakama Reservation then they are subject to State Law because no other Tribe has rights within our Reservation or Ceded Area.
Doesn't the Yakama nation have some overlap of ceded areas with Nez Perce's?
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 12, 2011, 09:37:48 AM
If anybody would like a pdf version shoot me a PM and I will provide you with my e-mail and will send it to you. Again, this only pertains to the Yakama Reservation and Ceded land under the Yakama Nation Jurisdiction. If there is any other Tribe/Tribal Member caught hunting in the Ceded Area or Coming off the Yakama Reservation then they are subject to State Law because no other Tribe has rights within our Reservation or Ceded Area.
Doesn't the Yakama nation have some overlap of ceded areas with Nez Perce's?
Yes about 15 square miles at the west end of Whitman Co. and that's it. They are not allowed to harvest any further west outside of Whitman Co. Same for the Tribes involved with the Treaty of Point Elliot. They have rights that overlap for about 25 square miles in the north end of Chelan Co. and that's it no further south then the established boundary.
If any of the Nez Perce, Tulalip, Muckleshoot or any other Tribe for that matter are outside the established boundary they are poaching and fall under State Law.
Post by: colockumelk on July 12, 2011, 10:18:11 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 12, 2011, 01:23:10 PM
If anybody would like a pdf version shoot me a PM and I will provide you with my e-mail and will send it to you. Again, this only pertains to the Yakama Reservation and Ceded land under the Yakama Nation Jurisdiction. If there is any other Tribe/Tribal Member caught hunting in the Ceded Area or Coming off the Yakama Reservation then they are subject to State Law because no other Tribe has rights within our Reservation or Ceded Area.
Got it ! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 724wd on July 18, 2011, 09:25:31 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 18, 2011, 10:24:56 AM
I would like to see them in person but since the person that supposedly has the rack is a person that I really don't care for and I would do more harm then good going there looking for them. I have asked another relative of his to get some pics for me and it sounds like they're going to come through for me if they locate them since they really don't care for him either but he is tolerable to some level to them because of their niece and nephews.
I'll keep you guys posted.
Post by: trophyhunt on July 18, 2011, 10:45:43 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on July 19, 2011, 06:57:58 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on July 19, 2011, 08:42:53 AM
Here's an idea, Make all ceremonial hunts cow only. It would be better for the herd & better for our view of tribal hunters. win win:yeah:
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 19, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
This makes me sick to my stomach......if they didn't care about the antlers why in the hell didn't they just shoot a cow! You can't tell me it's easier to find a big bull in velvet than a cow, on an animal reserve!!! I will keep my angry thoughts to myself on this one. Thanks for finding out the info PlateauNDN. Does this topic help you understand why we get so f n pissed with the whole damn subject, I'm sure it doesn't make you happy either.
I've been well aware of the frustrations for "some" tribal hunters for quite awhile but I didn't know the magnitude until I became aware of this site. It's a good thing and a bad thing. Good thing because it helps me understand how to address the issue and what steps to take in the future and bad thing because we as tribal hunters tend to get lumped in together and it makes us all look bad.
Here's an idea, Make all ceremonial hunts cow only. It would be better for the herd & better for our view of tribal hunters. win win
Again, I also agree with you on this one. I don't hunt solely hunt for sport. I start off with a couple of weeks of searching for a shooter and if the opportunity doesn't arise then I harvest does or cows for the meat. They taste better and are easier to pack out. Just to give you an idea of myself, over the last few years I've called in a few bulls but always having my wife and children with me they tend to get anxious and are noisy at times and it has scared some good bulls off but it hasn't stopped me because they learn every year more and more about the hunt.
Also, over the last few years i've only harvested a cow, 3 doe and one small buck. I hunt with ethics and only hunt during the fall time. I hunt to provide meat not bragging rights or a trophy that i couldn't fit in my house. These tribal hunters do piss me off and some of the ones that have been mentioned on here I have had the displeasure of meeting and giving my opinion to them about what they are doing.
If it's one thing I have noticed about these few tribal hunters is they are all the same. They are going no where in life and either live with their parents or grandparents and don't really care what happens with their kids. It's all about themselves over their children and it's the complete opposite with me.
I take my wife and kids with me everywhere I go, except business trips. We fish, hunt and gather traditional foods together because that's the way I was raised and I'm going to pass that on to my children because its our traditional ways.
Teaching my children values, ethics and responsibility is just a small part of breaking this type of behavior by unethical hunters and I hope to change it in even more in the future.
Everybodies ideas on here have been truly noted and taken into consideration. Again, I'm always available to answer questions and if you have ideas please keep sharing them. The only way to fix this problem is by doing something not ignoring it.
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on July 19, 2011, 02:00:56 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 19, 2011, 02:18:13 PM
Thanks NDN.... You are doing a great job taking the wind out of some of the blow hards on this site... On another note. I saw some large bear tracks along one of my corn fields sunday morn. Its been a long time since that has happened. Once again.... thankxWho's a blow hard in your opinion? Anyone who disagrees with the benefits that native get when it comes to fishing and hunting? Most people on this site are just being honest in saying what pisses them off the most about the whole deal. Most of us like it when NDN gives us facts, but most of us still are not happy with the way it is. So put me in your blow hard category if that's what your talking about, and make some room there is plenty of us out there.
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on July 20, 2011, 09:05:25 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on July 20, 2011, 11:36:03 AM
When do you get over what happened in the past and move on to the future????? /quote] Bingo farmin4u.Thats what alot of us are talking about when it comes to special treatment .Killing bulls instead of cows for ceremonial meat non native permits dwindling but natives having very liberal seasons in the same areas just not right.Lets get to the part ....In common with....
Post by: runamuk on July 20, 2011, 12:13:31 PM
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The Boldt Decision (U.S. v. Washington, also known as The Boldt Decision) - U.S. District Judge George Boldt's ruling interpreted the language of treaties made with Washington tribes more than a century earlier. He determined that the treaties -- agreements to move tribes to reservations to make way for white settlers -- reasserted Indian rights to half of the salmon harvests in perpetuity. The following is treaty language at the center of the controversy, and how Boldt interpreted it: "The right of taking fish, at all usual and accustomed grounds and stations, is further secured to said Indians in common with all citizens of the Territory." - Treaty of Medicine Creek, 1854, Article 3. (The first of six treaties negotiated between Washington Territorial Gov. Isaac Stevens and Coastal Salish tribes between 1854 and 1856. All such treaties include variations of this provision.) "By dictionary definition and as intended and used in the Indian treaties and in this decision, 'in common with' means sharing equally the opportunity to take fish ... therefore, non-treaty fishermen shall have the opportunity to take up to 50% of the harvestable number of fish ... and treaty right fishermen shall have the opportunity to take up to the same percentage." - U.S. District Judge George Boldt, U.S. v. Washington, February 12, 1974.
http ://www.wawd.uscourts.gov/WAWD/Documents.nsf/0/b74f7de7e3ab8d85882564ae006b735e?open document
Post by: huntnfmly on July 20, 2011, 12:33:57 PM
the below quoted from http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/caselaw/boldt_decision.htm (http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/caselaw/boldt_decision.htm)so in common with only is only for fishing?QuoteThe Boldt Decision (U.S. v. Washington, also known as The Boldt Decision) - U.S. District Judge George Boldt's ruling interpreted the language of treaties made with Washington tribes more than a century earlier. He determined that the treaties -- agreements to move tribes to reservations to make way for white settlers -- reasserted Indian rights to half of the salmon harvests in perpetuity. The following is treaty language at the center of the controversy, and how Boldt interpreted it: "The right of taking fish, at all usual and accustomed grounds and stations, is further secured to said Indians in common with all citizens of the Territory." - Treaty of Medicine Creek, 1854, Article 3. (The first of six treaties negotiated between Washington Territorial Gov. Isaac Stevens and Coastal Salish tribes between 1854 and 1856. All such treaties include variations of this provision.) "By dictionary definition and as intended and used in the Indian treaties and in this decision, 'in common with' means sharing equally the opportunity to take fish ... therefore, non-treaty fishermen shall have the opportunity to take up to 50% of the harvestable number of fish ... and treaty right fishermen shall have the opportunity to take up to the same percentage." - U.S. District Judge George Boldt, U.S. v. Washington, February 12, 1974.
http ://www.wawd.uscourts.gov/WAWD/Documents.nsf/0/b74f7de7e3ab8d85882564ae006b735e?open document
Post by: JCClement on July 20, 2011, 03:21:29 PM
Thanks again
Post by: huntnfmly on July 20, 2011, 03:45:32 PM
Thanks for the information NDN. I believe the treaties are in place to keep the heritage and ceremony alive for most of the tribes. Unfortunately, there are some members (much like non-tribal hunters) who may abuse the situation. I feel you have shown that there isn't a "blind eye" to that aspect, at least not where you are concerned.Tell me jc how is killing bulls in velvet/ very liberal hunting seasons bear hunting with dogs and baiting bears that non tribal members cannot do keep the heritage and ceramony alive?cant they do that without all the special treatment?pretty sure they could
Thanks again
Post by: trophyhunt on July 21, 2011, 06:43:47 AM
Yes my sympathies are with the natives... I have spent my whole life on the rez. Rent farm ground and range land from the tribe. Get my water from the B I A. People see how things are now . They dont realize what the tribes gave up and how they were treated by the B I A. When do you get over what happened in the past and move on to the future????? Its a treaty. Just like our Constitution... We are a nation of laws.. Not that we like them all... Many of our prejudices are based on mis information. Thank you NDN for the education you are giving all of us....This might just end up getting nuked. The tribes didn't give up anything the government took it, it's called war and it was a very long time ago- they lost. Were we supposed to turn around and go back to Europe? And what about Kenniwick man? The natives want that buried and not talked about because he possibly was here before the natives, does that mean your on our land. Why do you take so much pride in having your hands held by the government, most tribes now can sustain their own people without the governments hand outs. Your the racist in constantly thinking you deserve special rights over people that have been here as long as you, we should have the same amount of rights to OUR fish and wildlife as YOU or anyone. Some guy posted some real intelligent facts about how the white man saved the indians when we first got here from disease and themselves, it was last year I believe. It was some of the best information I've read about this whole *censored* ball topic, I wonder if someone can find it and re post it for you to read.