Post by: rainshadow1 on June 13, 2008, 06:11:58 AM
I need some recommendations from guys who've handled the firearms in question. I'm going to make two of these posts.
This one is concerning a Semi-auto 12 ga 3 1/2 Magnum.
I'm dumping my 870, just too long a pull for me and kicks too stinkin' hard. I want to upgrade!
I'm thinking SBE II, but I'm not sure how it's better than the original SBE or how it compares to the new Remmy, or etc. I've fondled an SBE II at SW, and I'll tell you, I like it!
Tell me what you know about the latest Semi-autos?!?!?
Post by: boneaddict on June 13, 2008, 06:19:28 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on June 13, 2008, 06:42:21 AM
http://mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=1§ion=products
Post by: robodad on June 13, 2008, 06:44:25 AM
Post by: rainshadow1 on June 13, 2008, 07:00:18 AM
Post by: robodad on June 13, 2008, 07:24:30 AM
Post by: Intruder on June 13, 2008, 08:18:56 AM
The SBE II is likely more a marketing angle than real difference. I'm sure they've done some subtle changes but the guts can't be that different.
Personally, I'd probably buy a Remington. Over a grand for a flippin autoloader seems like a crime to me... I would also do some checking on the new Winchester autos. I've read some glowing reviews. No clue as to price but I'd check em out before I plunked my money down.
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Post by: Intruder on June 13, 2008, 08:27:45 AM
Post by: tlbradford on June 13, 2008, 09:41:56 AM
If I remember correctly the main upgrades were the stock and finish when the SBE went to the SBE II. The SBE II has the comfortech stock which helps a lot with the recoil of a composite. Then they offered a nice finish on it that keeps everything clean. I have heard the 3-1/2" chamberings have trouble with 2-3/4 shells occasionally, but I doubt you would be using them that often.
My personal choice for a Benelli is the M2. I think the one piece receiver does a better job of keeping stuff out than the SBE2, where the top part of the receiver can be removed.
The Beretta AL391 Urika and the Winchester SX3 are very nice, but in my opinion the Beretta is a lot faster and has better balance than the Winny.
Those are just a few more to check out when looking. Good luck. Shopping for a new gun is one of the things I enjoy the most.
Post by: GoldTip on June 13, 2008, 10:46:06 AM
With the inertia driven system of the SBE you will have far less trouble with fouling of the action than you will with the gas operated actions, that being said you will have slightly more felt recoil as well. But lets be honest, if you got a hot goose blind with birds dropping on ya, your not gonna feel the recoil of those high power 3.5 inchers with double BB's until after your pickin up your geese anyway, so I don't fret the recoil as much as I do the maintenance free (within reason) action of my SBE. Honestly love that damn gun.
Post by: rainshadow1 on June 13, 2008, 12:23:32 PM
He came through, I'm lite 7 guns and in the market!!!
Post by: Intruder on June 13, 2008, 12:42:11 PM
With the inertia driven system of the SBE you will have far less trouble with fouling of the action than you will with the gas operated actions, that being said you will have slightly more felt recoil as well.
There is no doubt the inertia system will operate dirty way way better than a gas gun. I personally feel the recoil w/ the inertia guns though. I got a cheap Stoeger knock off of the Beneli and it flat kicks the crap outta ya. The SBEs I've shot did to... again at least to me. If it's primarily a hunting gun you'll likely not notice too much. If you're shooting clays you may. The gas guns are a pleasure to shoot in respect to recoil.
Post by: jackelope on June 13, 2008, 08:10:01 PM
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I really like the Browning Gold, but it fouls really easily.
there's something wrong there, bone. there's 2 of them in this house and none have problems. i've put thousands of rounds through 1 of them. is it clean?
i second the beretta 391 urika, but like intruder said, the l.o.p. and fit are the most important things. all those guns in that price range are good, and the stocks can be lengthened or shortened without too much effort if needed...especially shortened as you mentioned the 870 is too long.
Post by: Coasthunterjay on June 13, 2008, 08:22:33 PM
Remington makes a great 3.5 in shotty auto. cant remember what it is but its a good gun.
not a big benelli fan, and if you have problems with the 870 being to long, then you deffinantly dont want a supernova or the eagle(what ever its called.) benellis are known for having longer draw length stocks.....recomendation would be to go to sportsmans and see what fits you best.....handle alot fo guns and then go to blue mountain gunworks and see if he has one or if he can get one for you, good guy and has treated me very well.....
Post by: Coasthunterjay on June 13, 2008, 08:26:03 PM
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/SPR_models/SPR453_autoloader.asp
Post by: rainshadow1 on June 13, 2008, 09:48:48 PM
TL, I like the old A5. Always have. But I'm looking for the newest fangled of the new fangled... then back it down a notch to save a few hundred. (Black, no recoil arrest, etc.)
I'm not that worried about the recoil, just one of the things I didn't like about the synthetic 870 Super.
I guess cutting my teeth on that OU made me love the heft, legnth and balance of the break action. I held a SBE II at SW, and it felt beautiful. If I don't have to pump I don't have to have my hand extended so far, makes the stretch more like the old "S686 Special" I lucked into when I was a kid with a pocket full of sorted fish, crab, and bucked hay in my pocket!
Thanks guys. I've got some reading to do!