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Title: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on July 26, 2011, 11:04:10 AM
Has anyone ever had problems with bears trying to get into your food while bivy hunting? I know you are suppose to protect your food while in the back country but if I am bivy hunting I really dont want to take time to hoist my food into the trees. The area I am hunting this year has a huge black bear population and am concerned that they might try to snuggle into my tent with me looking for my food. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: JLS on July 26, 2011, 11:07:26 AM
Which is more hassle, hanging food or running off bears?  I know my choice.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on July 26, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
I see your point, another factor is that half the area has no trees tall enough to hang anything in.......
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 26, 2011, 11:41:16 AM
If you're a real man, you'll store your fresh meat in your sleeping bag overnight!  :yike: I'd hoist it.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: sebek556 on July 26, 2011, 11:44:31 AM
hang it and also i usualy pack my ipod anyway so in bear heavy areas i throw in some little speakers. Bears dont like heavy metal...  :dunno:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on July 26, 2011, 11:45:45 AM
I hate it when i dont get the answer I wanted!
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: boneaddict on July 26, 2011, 11:48:24 AM
Interested to know what kind of food you pack when you Bivy.   

I generally worry more about mice than I do bears.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: sebek556 on July 26, 2011, 11:50:38 AM
what answer did you want? the bears will wander into your campsite with a cold six pack toss you a beer and tell you where the elk are if you leave food laying around?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on July 26, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Interested to know what kind of food you pack when you Bivy.   

I generally worry more about mice than I do bears.

 :yeah: i have never been worried about hanging my food, just keep it clean and sealed up, has anyone ever had a bear come into camp and get at thier food? I could see it in a park where  bears are less likely to be scared of humans but not so much in areas where bears are more human savy due being shot at.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Houndhunter on July 26, 2011, 12:11:49 PM
only thing that Ive had get into my food was chipmunks and mice, i too don't think you need to worry about a bear getting into your food. by all means if ya sleep better at night by hanging your food go for it but its not necessary  :twocents:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: high country on July 26, 2011, 12:36:52 PM
lol bone, btdt. I had what I was SURE a bear wiggling my tarp......negative, it was mice, invading my breathing space. I woke up covered in turds. fuggin mice.
 
I hang my sleeping bag bag with my chow every night. I like to eat.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: PacificNWhunter on July 26, 2011, 01:07:46 PM
I've never had a problem with it in the past, but usually I have tree's around camp. If your at all worried you can stash it a 100 yards downwind from camp. I also makes sure I keep stuff sealed up at leave no food or trash around. I think that's the biggest thing.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on July 26, 2011, 01:13:48 PM
i usually live off of power bars, jerky granola dried fruit and mt house meals for dinner. I typically just keep all my food in my pack outside my tent. but the area i am hunting this year is loaded with bear like i have never seen. I've never had problems with any animals before but this years hunt is going to be diffrent from the timber comapny land i usually hunt. I really dont want to deal with trying to hang my food espesially (sp?) since above about 3000ft the trees are only about 15 -20 foot and widley spaced. I wont be having a set campsite. I will be camping where ever darkness finds me.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: dreamingbig on July 26, 2011, 01:20:46 PM
I have never had a problem and have never hung my food.  Black bears aren't very brave.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: WA hunter14 on July 26, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
i could go with you an kill some bears if you would like?  8)
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: sebek556 on July 26, 2011, 01:33:29 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: high country on July 26, 2011, 02:02:58 PM
I have never had a problem and have never hung my food.  Black bears aren't very brave.

untill they get conditioned to humans.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 26, 2011, 02:09:47 PM
hanging your food wont keep the bears out of your camp if they smell it they will investigate.  You could hang the food, but keep in mind black bear can climb trees.  Just watch all the vids of them after being shot they go strait up trees. 

Odds are you wont have an issue,  but if you want to be extra safe.  Seal your food up in smell proof containers, and clean up pots and pans real well.  Thats about the best you can do. 
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on July 26, 2011, 02:43:42 PM
i could go with you an kill some bears if you would like?  8)

i'll be going up on the 15th to do just that....... lets go!
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: WA hunter14 on July 26, 2011, 03:00:33 PM
i wish i could  :chuckle: its been my flippen dream to kill a bear but no one in my family knows anything about bear hunting so id have no idea where to start. oh an i cant cause unfourtunately im 14 :bash:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: hirshey on July 26, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
If you want your food closer, there's always the option of bear bags or canisters.  :twocents: I prefer bags... easier to hang if you decide you want to, but they are tamper proof and keep the mice at bay also and if you really don't have hanging options they limit the smell also.

Happy hunting.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Shawn Ryan on July 26, 2011, 05:50:54 PM
No bear in the food issues, but I did wake up in the middle of the night once with something sitting/crawling on my head.  I brought my arm up out of the sleeping bag to throw it off; it left on its own as I started to move, and all I got was a handful of bushy tail.  It was about the size of a medium raccoon and I was sleeping real close to a creek.  Too dark to know what it was.  I usually don't bivy next to a creek, but I wanted to test the coldness to see how much different the temperature was given the terrain.  Answer:  a lot.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: dreamunelk on July 26, 2011, 07:01:11 PM
Just get a bear tag!  :chuckle:
Darn thing just wandered into camp and well, I have a bear tag so I tagged it!
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: JLS on July 26, 2011, 08:41:33 PM
Agree with Hirshey, limiting the smell and keeping the small critters out of it are your two primary concerns.  If a bear smells it and wants it bad enough he'll get it.  Most backpacking foods that are hung up should be pretty safe.  I'd never leave mine on the ground.  Heck, last year I lost a wool sock to a critter.  I suspect a marmot, but the culprit went free.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: actionshooter on July 26, 2011, 08:45:37 PM
Never had a bear come into my bivy camp but had a mouse run in my mouth while I was sleeping (at least thats what I think it was).

 Next time I'll take the bear.  :puke:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: chrisb on July 26, 2011, 08:47:40 PM
what answer did you want? the bears will wander into your campsite with a cold six pack toss you a beer and tell you where the elk are if you leave food laying around?  :chuckle:

Let me know how this works.... If it does i'm becoming a bivvy hinter
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: ICEMAN on July 26, 2011, 09:03:38 PM
Frickin mice have ruined many nights of sleeping for me. Hate them!
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: RUTNBULL1 on July 26, 2011, 09:45:23 PM
With a name like Sasquatch, how come your afraid of them bears? :chuckle:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on July 26, 2011, 10:06:59 PM
With a name like Sasquatch, how come your afraid of them bears? :chuckle:

I just wanna get along with the neighbors
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: True Sportsman on July 26, 2011, 10:36:48 PM
Take 2 tylenol pm's. You'll sleep so hard, you wont care about bears...
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Dchuber1 on July 27, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
Haven't had much problems with bears bivying out in Washington, but I always hang my food or use a bear container. I've hunted in Montana where it's thick with bears. They aren't park bears but they sure acted like it, no fear of humans at all and very curious. These were grizzly and black bears. I'd rather not take the chance, fighting off a bear in a bivy sack never sounded like much fun to me! If you don't have many places to hang your food the bear cans work well. They will also take care of the mice problem too. Just load everything you want protected in the can, set it somewhere away from your bivy and you're good to go. I attached a picture of a curious bruin who came to check out my camp while I was backpacking. BTW, this was in Western Washington.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: high country on July 27, 2011, 10:07:09 AM
did you dump her?
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: PacificNWhunter on July 27, 2011, 10:43:16 AM
Haven't had much problems with bears bivying out in Washington, but I always hang my food or use a bear container. I've hunted in Montana where it's thick with bears. They aren't park bears but they sure acted like it, no fear of humans at all and very curious. These were grizzly and black bears. I'd rather not take the chance, fighting off a bear in a bivy sack never sounded like much fun to me! If you don't have many places to hang your food the bear cans work well. They will also take care of the mice problem too. Just load everything you want protected in the can, set it somewhere away from your bivy and you're good to go. I attached a picture of a curious bruin who came to check out my camp while I was backpacking. BTW, this was in Western Washington.

Last time I camped up in the valley I saw 8 bears, my buddy just went about a month ago and they saw 13 in less then 24 hours. Said they had a hard time finding a camp spot because of all of them.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Yeti on July 27, 2011, 10:48:39 AM
I never had any issues either.  When I can I use the stuff sack from my sleeping bag and parachute cord and hang my food.  Otherwise I stash my food away from the tent. 
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: et1702 on July 27, 2011, 01:42:17 PM
We were doing some scouting in Rim Rock area last weekend.  Had some dinner and then left camp to do some spotting of elk.  Only gone a little more than an hour and a bear got into one of our coolers and ate most of the food.  First time this has happened to us in this area.  I think they are getting a little BOLDER! 

I'd definitely hoist, especially if you are in the back country and don't want to hike out again to reprovision.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: dreamingbig on July 27, 2011, 01:45:51 PM
That and the snow has most of the food up high very much behind.  The berries were still blooming when I was up there last weekend.  A few were just starting to grow but they were pretty small.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: actionshooter on July 27, 2011, 10:43:50 PM
The last time I hiked up the valley, I saw 5 bears, 1st one stepped out in the trail at 20 yards and walked a full circle around me while munching on salmon berries, he couldn't care less.
 A small one maybe 75# was really pissed with us crossing the valley and was false charging, snapping his jaws and the whole bit.  :o
 I'm backing up real slow (while taking pics) and I turn to say something to my buddy and his dad..........well they are 50+ yards away on the porch of the chalet. :yike:
 Cool area, I was thinking maybe this weekend.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on July 27, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
well damn.....i guess i may have to re-think my food plans. Thanks for the opinions!
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: sebek556 on July 27, 2011, 11:52:58 PM
i need to go bear hunting where you guys are camping!  :o
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: actionshooter on July 28, 2011, 09:05:43 PM
i need to go bear hunting where you guys are camping!  :o
Its in the Park, these are yogi,picnic basket stealing kinda bears
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Jake T on July 30, 2011, 10:10:57 AM
what about bear spray?  could you spray around your camp as a sort of barrier to keep things away?  like one of those candles that keeps mosquitoes at bay?

would bear spray last long enough?
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: high country on July 30, 2011, 05:50:54 PM
what about bear spray?  could you spray around your camp as a sort of barrier to keep things away?  like one of those candles that keeps mosquitoes at bay?

would bear spray last long enough?

Piss would be better. If you are totally freaked out by bears, keep in mind they absolutely do not like people. I have seen a bunch an many up close, all of them, aside from park bears, have run from me like I was the devil himself. Just don't leave food laying around your camp....you will be fine.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 30, 2011, 06:01:35 PM
agree with high country, the only bears that don't seem to vanish at the thought of a human are the park bears.  I can go bear hunting within 10 miles of a part of a park nearby my town and totally different bear behavior.  What seems to work best for bear deterrent is smoke.  However, it will get in gear and on clothes and warn of your presence.  Other human scent, like piss seems to be the next best option.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: one-eyed Ross on July 30, 2011, 07:43:30 PM
I need to find this guy's elk spot so I can drop a bear...if there are that many, I want one!
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Ironhead on July 30, 2011, 07:56:32 PM
If they are hungry enough they will get into your food and gear. Be smart and pro-active, Bear proof your camp.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Shawn Ryan on July 30, 2011, 10:47:35 PM
Jake T,  Assuming you were serious:  No.  Bear spray does not work like citronella.  It has been known to attract bears when sprayed as you suggest.  The label on the UDAP brand warns against doing as you suggest.  You need the spray to get into their eyes and mucous membranes.  Sitting on leaves only smells like food.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Mountainwalker on August 01, 2011, 07:30:46 AM
Check the National Park Service website for some good information on making camp.  Below is what I do.
1. Food and all sented items are stored in a food canister (Bear Vault 350) (do a search for BV350).
2. Cook 100ft from the food storage site and 100ft from where I sleep (think of a triangle).
3. Leave no food behind, cook only what I eat and keep my trash in the BV350.

If you hang your food, string a rope between two trees with a pulley in the middle.  This allows you to easily pull you food up with another rope (use low stretch rope, parachute cord is ok for 20lbs but it has too much stretch once the weight gets beyond that).  The storage sack should be 10ft from either tree and 12ft off the ground.  I quit doing this because I am usually above the tree line and once you get into the subalpine region the trees may be old but they aren't big.  Benefits of a food canister, you can use it as a seat when eating and you can utilize all daylight hours, little critters can't get into it and you don't have to search for trees.  The big down side is learning to pack your backpack, it is a room hog.  A personal note here,  I have never run across someones food hung correctly.  A rope over a high limb is incorrect.

As stated in a earlier post, bear spay is for the bears respiratory system not the ground and vegitation.  If you are nervous about bears get some and carry it on your waste belt, no good carried in your pack if you were to need it.  If I were in BC, Alaska or the Northern Cascades I would carry it.  If I were to stay in any drive in camping areas were bears have been sited I would carry it (city dwellers attract bears with their messy camp sites).  If I lived in the foot hills of the Cascades I would have it (i.e. North Bend).  I hunt and hike the Olympic Peninsula,  I am comfortable not carrying it and sleeping under a tarp.

Remember, all scented item go into the food canister.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Kowsrule30 on August 01, 2011, 03:31:07 PM
what about bear spray?  could you spray around your camp as a sort of barrier to keep things away?  like one of those candles that keeps mosquitoes at bay?

would bear spray last long enough?

Piss would be better. If you are totally freaked out by bears, keep in mind they absolutely do not like people. I have seen a bunch an many up close, all of them, aside from park bears, have run from me like I was the devil himself. Just don't leave food laying around your camp....you will be fine.


Totally agree that piss works..... Dad had an elk down and it was getting dark.... We gutted it and skinned what we could..... Pissed a circle around the elk and left my lucky hat on it's leg..... Came back first thing in the am.... A bear took the gut pile and ate it ten feet from the elk..... Didn't touch the elk or enter the ring of piss...
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: boneaddict on August 01, 2011, 03:41:21 PM
I repeat.....I think I have a different definition of bivy camping than the rest of you.   

Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on August 01, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
i think i have to agree with bone, when i say bivy hunt i am talking about living out of a back pack and nothing else. my pack weighs in at 45lbs or so. I am so weight conscious that i cut the handle of my tooth brush and sleep with out a tent. the idea of carrying bear canisters and ropes and pulleys sound like an awful lot of extra weight. i think peeing around my tent an leaving out smelly sweaty cloths may be my method. but i do think i am going to carry a side arm for the first time ever. and with that i will now go start a new thread about what to carry.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: actionshooter on August 01, 2011, 04:57:41 PM
I repeat.....I think I have a different definition of bivy camping than the rest of you.   



Are you talking about this kind of Bivy, or do I still have too much stuff.  ;)
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on August 01, 2011, 06:02:54 PM
I have never had problems with bears. Only mice like Bone said, Until this weekend.. Had a bear come in and take my Mre out of camp about 2 am.. I am gonna hang it for now on. I was up off the PCT At basin lake
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: kalamasasquatch on August 01, 2011, 06:14:03 PM
I repeat.....I think I have a different definition of bivy camping than the rest of you.   



Are you talking about this kind of Bivy, or do I still have too much stuff.  ;)

your getting close. i dont do the tarp thing tho.

I have never had problems with bears. Only mice like Bone said, Until this weekend.. Had a bear come in and take my Mre out of camp about 2 am.. I am gonna hang it for now on. I was up off the PCT At basin lake

see just when i think i have this thing figured out then i hear this.....
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: boneaddict on August 01, 2011, 06:17:32 PM
Close actionshooter, and looks like Kalama and I are on the same page. 
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: high country on August 02, 2011, 12:26:02 PM
I repeat.....I think I have a different definition of bivy camping than the rest of you.   



I am sure of it. I take a megalight at a 2lb penalty. you take 43lbs of lenses.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2011, 03:51:33 PM
I repeat.....I think I have a different definition of bivy camping than the rest of you.   



Are you talking about this kind of Bivy, or do I still have too much stuff.  ;)

I thought you said bivy camping, not a vacation at a resort! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: boneaddict on August 02, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
Tell me about it high country.  I'm about to do the grind and I want to pack my camera.   Uggggh
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: Snapshot on August 02, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
I repeat.....I think I have a different definition of bivy camping than the rest of you.   



I am sure of it. I take a megalight at a 2lb penalty. you take 43lbs of lenses.

That's funny!
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: actionshooter on August 02, 2011, 07:30:20 PM
Close actionshooter, and looks like Kalama and I are on the same page. 

Ouch! tough crowd, let me know what I have to do to join the club.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: bradslam on August 04, 2011, 10:08:26 AM
Here are a couple of photos of my setup to hang my food while backpacking. The pulley is a Harken 404. It weighs .33 oz and has a maximum working load of 250 lbs. They can be found for around $10 at West Marine or other stores that carry sailboat rigging. The total weight with cord is 6 oz. In addition to my food, I also will hang my backpack because I don't like it when mice chew on it.
Title: Re: bivy elk hunting and bear issues?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 04, 2011, 11:32:43 AM
Close actionshooter, and looks like Kalama and I are on the same page. 

Ouch! tough crowd, let me know what I have to do to join the club.  :chuckle:

You're in!  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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