Post by: bearpaw on July 26, 2011, 11:40:38 PM
Unit 111 - Prouty Loop Wolf Pack Attacks 2 Dogs - 6 miles from Colville
Dear WDFW and Commission Members,
I knew this would eventually happen in Washington but never dreamed this would happen so soon and right where I live. This is getting too close, I live only 3 1/4 miles from Colville and this occurred only 6 miles from Colville in a heavily human populated area only 2 3/4 miles from my home. We have top blooded hounds worth many thousands of dollars which we depend on for my business. Other neighbors have small kids, horses, goats, sheep, lamas, and most neighbors have dogs. History has shown that wolves which attack dogs will continue to attack dogs, this has been proven in Wisconsin, Michigan, Idaho, and Montana.
Please advise me if you think these are hybrids so I can shoot them if they attack my dogs. If you think they are wolves, please come and remove them now so me and my neighbors do not get in trouble. I am going to tell you this with all seriousness, if these wolves come on our private property and start killing my hounds I am going to try and stop them, if I feel threatened by a wolf that comes toward me in the process of saving my dogs, I am going to protect myself. Please do something now, I do not want to get in trouble, these wolves need destroyed or relocated away from Colville, please just get them away from this neighborhood, this is not wolf country.
(less than 3 miles from my house and hundreds of people all around this area)
I heard about this sighting yesterday but didn't want to say anything until I talked to the guy myself and got the straight story. I have known this guy since grade school here in Colville, we went to school together. He lives on a small acreage on Prouty Loop Rd, an area with many homes and acreages mostly from 5 to 40 acres. He sees plenty of coyotes, bear, cougar, deer, moose, and he thinks he saw 1 wolf at a distance in the area around his home. My point is that the guy knows what animals look like, he has seen many coyotes around his home and knows what they look like. He has also seen pictures of wolves and says he has no doubt what a wolf looks like. Another rancher, the same rancher who reported the Smackout Pack to WDFW, has seen two wolves on his home place which is only about 4 miles from this other guys place.
Here's the story as told to me only an hour ago, I specifically asked numerous questions so I could understand what was seen:
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The guy heard a commotion behind his house at his dog kennel. He ran out to take a look and saw 3 wolves face to face growling, barking, and attacking his 2 german shepherds which were thankfully inside a 6 foot high chain link kennel. The wolves and dogs were face to face with only the fence separating them. His immediate thought was that these wolves would go over the fence and kill his dogs. He ran in the house to get his gun, when he got back outside there were now 5 big wolves all trying to attack his dogs through the chain link fence. He said every one of them was as large or larger than his full grown german shepherds. He said they looked exactly like wolves with big bushy tails carried high in the air and they were all grey, except one had a lot more white than the others. They were all trying to attack his dogs.
He didn't want to shoot them and get in trouble so he shot in the air, luckily, that was all it took this time, the wolves left. He went to the kennel and said his dogs were OK but he has never seen them shake so badly as they were shaking, just like they were scared to death. This man knows he saw wolves and that they wanted to kill his dogs.
He is worried about the wolves coming back and asked me how far they roam. I told him that they can roam far and wide but if there were five it sounds to me like the single he saw before may have had pups last year, now there are 5 adult wolves, and they probably have pups again this year. If they have pups they are probably denning up in the large gated area on the west slope of Dominion Mountain right above Prouty Loop Road where he lives.
I asked him if he reported it to WDFW, no he didn't, but if they come back he will call. I told him I was keeping track of wolf packs in Washington and got his permission to talk about this. He said he didn't care if I mentioned his name but I am going to withhold his name from the public so no crazies bother him. I have provided enough info for WDFW to know exactly where this happened and they can contact me for more info if desired.
I just want these dog-attacking wolves removed, the next time they attack dogs, the dogs they attack may not be inside a kennel. Now my wife and daughter are afraid to go outside after dark. We have heard about the woman in Idaho that was held at bay by wolves when her car got stuck in her driveway and she tried to walk to her house. There is a YouTube video of her testifying to the Idaho legislature. There’s YouTube videos of the three women near Anchorage that had their dog attacked while they were walking together. There are also YouTube videos of hound owners who have had their dogs killed by wolves. What I am talking about here is a real threat that needs action.
Thanks For Any Help You Can Provide,
Post by: sebek556 on July 27, 2011, 12:03:54 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 27, 2011, 12:16:49 AM
I figure if WDFW doesn't do anything I will ask him if I can put a camera behind his kennel. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on July 27, 2011, 12:19:44 AM
Post by: sebek556 on July 27, 2011, 12:34:30 AM
Post by: wsucowboy on July 27, 2011, 12:45:22 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 27, 2011, 12:52:47 AM
The worst thing is that you can't protect your property against these wolves, they have more rights than the people. :twocents:
Post by: sebek556 on July 27, 2011, 01:01:54 AM
Post by: CedarPants on July 27, 2011, 06:31:43 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 27, 2011, 07:18:10 AM
Is there any chance that is the south range of the Smackout pack?
Post by: bearmanric on July 27, 2011, 07:29:01 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 27, 2011, 07:40:07 AM
That's too bad. I think the way you stated the facts and the potential outcomes is perfect. I know I would never watch any animal kill one of my hounds in the yard.
Is there any chance that is the south range of the Smackout pack?
Good question WaCoyote, but definitely not.
They are probably 15 airmiles away. The wolves currently at Smackout are thought to be 2 adults and 3 young pups. What was attacking the dogs was 5 wolves all as big or bigger than the full grown german sheperds that they were face to face with when the owner clearly seen all 5 of them.
Now here's what is possible. All winter there was a pair of wolves on the east side of Smackout above Ione, and there was 4 or 5 adults in a pack on the west side of Smackout and in the Paradise area. Currently with only two adults thought to be at Smackout, it's possible these wolves at Colville were part of the wolves that were in Smackout last winter.
It's hard to say for sure, there could easily be three groups of wolves in the unit, but with 5 adults near Colville and 2 adults with 3 pups at Smackout, I need to upgrade unit 111 to a minimum of 10 wolves, I had it marked for a minimum of 9 wolves after three pups were seen.
There are enough wolves in just two GMU's to delist wolves in Eastern WA. If the other wolves in the Methow & Okanogan (north cascades) would get documented, we could probably delist 2/3 of the state next year.
Obviously I don't want any trouble, but let the neighborhood know if they are hybrids or get them out of here. I heard about this from another guy who is only 1 mile from the wolve sighting and he is pretty worried about his sheep herd. There is probably (guessing) about 50-100 homes within a few miles of these wolves.
Post by: grundy53 on July 27, 2011, 07:50:53 AM
I'm looking Forward to the cute cudly wolves to be located in the olympic mountains and the Willapa hill's. Rick :hello:
not me..... :bash: :bash:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 27, 2011, 07:53:55 AM
There are enough wolves in just two GMU's to delist wolves in Eastern WA. If the other wolves in the Methow & Okanogan (north cascades) would get documented, we could probably delist 2/3 of the state next year.
Post by: CedarPants on July 27, 2011, 07:56:52 AM
We need to get zone management within the state accepted.
X a billion
Post by: grundy53 on July 27, 2011, 08:04:15 AM
The problem with the current plan isn't as much in the number as it is in the location. NE washington will be knee deep in wolves before anyone else. We're going to be seeing more of this before delisting ever gets dicussed. We need to get zone management within the state accepted. They do it for everything else. With Eastern Wa listed as the NRM DPS there is hope...maybe, to get it seperated from the rest of WA for wolf management. Of course, we all know that will be an uphill battle with the pro! wolf folks.
There are enough wolves in just two GMU's to delist wolves in Eastern WA. If the other wolves in the Methow & Okanogan (north cascades) would get documented, we could probably delist 2/3 of the state next year.
:yeah:
Post by: mulehunter on July 27, 2011, 09:02:53 AM
Mulehunter.
Post by: dreamingbig on July 27, 2011, 09:25:54 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 27, 2011, 03:15:10 PM
The Wisconsin DNR actually has a special web page that warns hound hunters to avoid areas where wolves have attacked dogs previously.
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/er/mammals/wolf/dogdepred.htm (http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/er/mammals/wolf/dogdepred.htm)
Post by: WA hunter14 on July 27, 2011, 03:43:44 PM
Post by: Huntnphish on July 27, 2011, 03:53:34 PM
At this point I seriously doubt the death of a child will even have any effect on the direction this entire wolf fiasco is going.
Post by: huntlakewood on July 27, 2011, 04:04:55 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on July 27, 2011, 08:42:26 PM
Post by: lewy on July 27, 2011, 08:53:17 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 28, 2011, 08:32:48 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on July 28, 2011, 08:54:59 PM
I'm looking Forward to the cute cudly wolves to be located in the olympic mountains and the Willapa hill's. Rick :hello:
No person should have to tolerate this kind of insanity on their own property, or anywhere for that matter.
Post by: seth30 on July 28, 2011, 08:58:16 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on July 28, 2011, 09:01:11 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on July 28, 2011, 09:04:10 PM
Just asking....
At least we know where the deer and turkey population are headed.... (Or why)
Post by: seth30 on July 28, 2011, 09:06:16 PM
The big problem with washington is you have the majority of the folks who make big decisions on one side of the mountain in a big city most of which have never spent any time in the woods other than a stroll through the park. I agree with Bearpaw the way to get something done is to get as much disturbing footage on the net. The more the non hunting public sees fluffy, and cuddles being torn to pieces by a pack of wolves the more pressure will come down on the government to do something.I say post it on craigs list, and maker sure its the King county cities. That should wake a few peope up.
Post by: sebek556 on July 28, 2011, 09:24:06 PM
Post by: kbyers on July 29, 2011, 06:15:09 AM
They said they are setting up a trail cam tommorrow.
wow, just one? I know when my buddies and I are serious about checking wildlife population in an area we set up a couple more than just one :dunno:
Post by: CedarPants on July 29, 2011, 06:30:33 AM
did anyone try getting the news to do a story on wovles attacking pets already?
Good call - this should be made as public as possible. If this gentleman's shepards attacked a wolf, it would be on CNN
Post by: Bigtine96 on July 29, 2011, 06:38:29 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 29, 2011, 06:47:16 AM
The Region 1 manager was trying to say it might have been coyotes and he wanted to know why I copied the message to so many people before the WDFW had a chance to check it out.
Post by: CedarPants on July 29, 2011, 07:04:14 AM
I don't know how many cameras, but I do hope they get some photos. Unless they get photos, I think they will try to brush it off as nothing.
The Region 1 manager was trying to say it might have been coyotes and he wanted to know why I copied the message to so many people before the WDFW had a chance to check it out.
Sounds like par for the course for the WDFW.
Interesting that he questioned you about why you sent the message before WDFW had a chance to check it out, yet he is already saying it might have been coyotes ....... before he has even had a chance to check it out.
With the speedy confirmation of the Smackout Pack I was optimistic that the WDFW was possibly learning to take the public seriously and work with them to confirm these packs ...... but this Prouty Loop incident seems to make them come across as taking the stance that nobody should be allowed to even mention wolves, let alone talk about possible sightings or encounters, until the WDFW "experts" have had a chance to come in and take a look.
I'd be very interested in hearing the Region 1 manager's reasoning as to why he thinks this is coyotes without even having investigated it yet.
Post by: Exploding Rock Chuck on July 29, 2011, 07:26:50 AM
The Region 1 manager was trying to say it might have been coyotes and he wanted to know why I copied the message to so many people before the WDFW had a chance to check it out.
I think it is great that you let everyone know about this.Thanks.
This needs to be in the Spokesman, for sure.
Post by: mulehunter on July 29, 2011, 08:35:01 AM
Your friend dogs are lucky to be alive.
Mulehunter
Post by: bearpaw on July 29, 2011, 08:45:16 AM
Post by: grundy53 on July 29, 2011, 09:09:13 AM
I don't know how many cameras, but I do hope they get some photos. Unless they get photos, I think they will try to brush it off as nothing.
The Region 1 manager was trying to say it might have been coyotes and he wanted to know why I copied the message to so many people before the WDFW had a chance to check it out.
If we have a pack of coyotes that are all bigger then german sheppards running around then we ware in serious trouble...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :bash:
Post by: kbyers on July 29, 2011, 10:29:51 AM
:mgun:
Post by: steen on July 29, 2011, 11:03:16 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on July 29, 2011, 11:08:05 AM
Seems to me someone had a perfectly legal reason to kill a wolf and didn't take the opportunity. Unfortunately if they came in my yard I'l probably lose an animal before getting one shot, horses, goat, sheep and dog with puppies.
I thought the law is, "if the wolf is in the process of ripping the throat out of your cattle you can use lethal force." Not before, not after, but only in that exact second. Am I wrong?
Post by: bearpaw on July 29, 2011, 11:22:13 AM
Post by: MADMAX on July 29, 2011, 11:43:27 AM
http://www.saveelk.com/ (http://www.saveelk.com/)
Post by: Alchase on July 29, 2011, 11:58:29 AM
With the speedy confirmation of the Smackout Pack I was optimistic that the WDFW was possibly learning to take the public seriously and work with them to confirm these packs ......
Speedy confirmation? They had pictures of them from September 2010. They acknowledged they existed in July 2011.
Not very speedy, lol
Post by: CedarPants on July 29, 2011, 12:05:22 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on July 29, 2011, 12:21:56 PM
Post by: bearhunter99 on July 29, 2011, 12:26:12 PM
I don't know how many cameras, but I do hope they get some photos. Unless they get photos, I think they will try to brush it off as nothing.
The Region 1 manager was trying to say it might have been coyotes and he wanted to know why I copied the message to so many people before the WDFW had a chance to check it out.
Should've just agreed with him and said my mistake, sorry for wasting your time since you are the expert they couldn't have been wolves.....................then shot the "big yotes"
Post by: jackmaster on July 29, 2011, 12:31:01 PM
Post by: mulehunter on July 29, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
I would need to check, but I don't think you can shoot a wolf in Washington unless it is self defense.:yeah: what they told me.
Mulehunter
Post by: DoubleJ on July 29, 2011, 03:23:51 PM
Post by: sebek556 on July 29, 2011, 09:50:29 PM
Think the WDFW would get mad if they came to work one Monday and found 5 wolf pelts and an SD card with video of them attacking livestock or dogs on their front stoop?if they found out who if came from you would probably be tarred feather and drug through the streets by your sack then thrown in jail for life
Post by: bearpaw on August 03, 2011, 07:32:28 AM
Every week there are dogs missing on the local radio from rural homes in Stevens County, but nobody is connecting the dots on what may be happening.
Post by: seth30 on August 03, 2011, 08:31:27 AM
Post by: high country on August 03, 2011, 08:45:42 AM
the simple answer is that there is no answer as to what wolves will do. they have a strong predatory instinct, and I feel they do not like to be around people, but given that we have dropped them into areas with low numbers of food for them, people will be the food source, be it their childern, pets or selves.
it is noble that eco groups want to save the future of an animal that once roamed free here, but the landscape, climate, dispersment of humans increase of pets has taken the once home range of the wolves. to try to reintroduce them without ALL the original aspects of their successful existance is asking for trouble.
there is a good reason our forefathers killed them off.
Post by: seth30 on August 03, 2011, 08:50:25 AM
Post by: Exploding Rock Chuck on August 03, 2011, 05:47:44 PM
Read the link I have provided. It is written by Val Geist. This guy knows what he is talking about, and explains wolf behavior very clearly. Enjoy, it is a good read.
http://rliv.com/wolf/GeistStagesOfDepridation.pdf (http://rliv.com/wolf/GeistStagesOfDepridation.pdf)
Post by: seth30 on August 03, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: KillBilly on August 03, 2011, 06:19:16 PM
seth, wolves as well as coyotes, are adaptive.everything that has been studied of the wolves has been done in a very wild area or park, where human interaction is at a minimum. the current crop of predatory wolves introduced have to learn to get by on less abundant food sources and that means they need to head to th nearest light and there will be food there. this is a non issue in yellowstone where they have full time hazers to keep camps free of invasive predators. alaska has large herds of animals and the wolves can follow them with reasonable success. here in the areas affected we have much smaller herds, a large herd of elk may go 50 animals around me. compare that to the smaller herd sizes in alaksa and we are missing a comma or two.
the simple answer is that there is no answer as to what wolves will do. they have a strong predatory instinct, and I feel they do not like to be around people, but given that we have dropped them into areas with low numbers of food for them, people will be the food source, be it their childern, pets or selves.
it is noble that eco groups want to save the future of an animal that once roamed free here, but the landscape, climate, dispersment of humans increase of pets has taken the once home range of the wolves. to try to reintroduce them without ALL the original aspects of their successful existance is asking for trouble.
there is a good reason our forefathers killed them off.
Why do you use words like drop them in areas or re-introduce? It is only rumor that wolves have been transplanted in Washington. We may have Wolves that have migrated from other states but we have no dropped or re-introduced any wolves in this state
Post by: KillBilly on August 03, 2011, 06:21:27 PM
Think the WDFW would get mad if they came to work one Monday and found 5 wolf pelts and an SD card with video of them attacking livestock or dogs on their front stoop?
The livestock might get ya off the hook but pets are not protected or compensated for.
Post by: True Sportsman on August 03, 2011, 06:23:24 PM
Post by: high country on August 03, 2011, 06:47:25 PM
seth, wolves as well as coyotes, are adaptive.everything that has been studied of the wolves has been done in a very wild area or park, where human interaction is at a minimum. the current crop of predatory wolves introduced have to learn to get by on less abundant food sources and that means they need to head to th nearest light and there will be food there. this is a non issue in yellowstone where they have full time hazers to keep camps free of invasive predators. alaska has large herds of animals and the wolves can follow them with reasonable success. here in the areas affected we have much smaller herds, a large herd of elk may go 50 animals around me. compare that to the smaller herd sizes in alaksa and we are missing a comma or two.
the simple answer is that there is no answer as to what wolves will do. they have a strong predatory instinct, and I feel they do not like to be around people, but given that we have dropped them into areas with low numbers of food for them, people will be the food source, be it their childern, pets or selves.
it is noble that eco groups want to save the future of an animal that once roamed free here, but the landscape, climate, dispersment of humans increase of pets has taken the once home range of the wolves. to try to reintroduce them without ALL the original aspects of their successful existance is asking for trouble.
there is a good reason our forefathers killed them off.
Why do you use words like drop them in areas or re-introduce? It is only rumor that wolves have been transplanted in Washington. We may have Wolves that have migrated from other states but we have no dropped or re-introduced any wolves in this state
Drop comes from the kings lake release. Reintroduce seems to be the best term to me for what the Montana, Wyoming, Idaho and now we are seeing. They did not magically appear, and while there may or may not have always been some.....they sure as heck are here.
What is your take on it?
Post by: high country on August 03, 2011, 06:49:45 PM
Post by: sebek556 on August 03, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
Seth30,but the hippies claim that wolves dont attack people at all never ever nope did not happen, they only want to cuddle :mor:
Read the link I have provided. It is written by Val Geist. This guy knows what he is talking about, and explains wolf behavior very clearly. Enjoy, it is a good read.
http://rliv.com/wolf/GeistStagesOfDepridation.pdf (http://rliv.com/wolf/GeistStagesOfDepridation.pdf)
good read thanks for the post and great name!
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2011, 01:20:42 PM
The neighbors tell me the game warden came out to the guys house and said it definitely wasn't wolves. Not sure how he could tell days afterward, so I am very suspect of that statement, but that's the story in the neighborhood. So does that mean when they come back the guy can protect his dogs, some neighbors are thinking that statement makes it's safe to protect their pets and livestock. :dunno:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 07, 2011, 01:58:37 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on August 07, 2011, 02:29:57 PM
Update:
The neighbors tell me the game warden came out to the guys house and said it definitely wasn't wolves. Not sure how he could tell days afterward, so I am very suspect of that statement, but that's the story in the neighborhood. So does that mean when they come back the guy can protect his dogs, some neighbors are thinking that statement makes it's safe to protect their pets and livestock. :dunno:
What evidence was used to determine this?
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2011, 05:59:12 PM
I do know that when I talked to the person who saw the wolves, he was sure. Read my first post. :tup:
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 07, 2011, 06:18:21 PM
Post by: seth30 on August 07, 2011, 06:48:16 PM
Post by: sebek556 on August 07, 2011, 06:51:40 PM
Post by: seth30 on August 07, 2011, 06:54:27 PM
sounds like montana all over again, no that was not a wolf that killed your 800lb bull it was a yote that did it... right :bash:no it was a pack of them, they run really deep when wolves are around :chuckle:
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 07, 2011, 06:55:31 PM
Xylitol
My best guess is this will get me some heat!!
Post by: Wenatcheejay on August 07, 2011, 07:04:03 PM
All I know is that I heard they are claiming it wasn't wolves. I don't know if they have any evidence or if they just don't want it to be wolves. :dunno:
I do know that when I talked to the person who saw the wolves, he was sure. Read my first post. :tup:
I hope he does not let it go. I question the evidence that it is not a wolf sighting. Maybe it is not, but what evidence is there that it isn't? If it is overly aggressive yotes OK, but it would be unfortunate if a person is arrested when it turns out it was not and they protected their animals or their life.
I am so tired of hearing of this cr@p.
Post by: grundy53 on August 07, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
Update:
The neighbors tell me the game warden came out to the guys house and said it definitely wasn't wolves. Not sure how he could tell days afterward, so I am very suspect of that statement, but that's the story in the neighborhood. So does that mean when they come back the guy can protect his dogs, some neighbors are thinking that statement makes it's safe to protect their pets and livestock. :dunno:
Sounds like :bs: to me. It's amazing how blatant their BS is getting....
Post by: grundy53 on August 07, 2011, 07:20:51 PM
OK so here is a Google search word for you!!
Xylitol
My best guess is this will get me some heat!!
:tup:
Post by: sebek556 on August 07, 2011, 07:21:48 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 07, 2011, 07:42:16 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on August 07, 2011, 08:57:25 PM
Post by: jackmaster on August 08, 2011, 06:39:53 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 08, 2011, 06:51:53 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 08, 2011, 06:55:13 AM
Post by: Huntnphish on August 08, 2011, 01:15:36 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 08, 2011, 03:54:35 PM
:fire.:I hope to see one like that one day ... in crosshairs of my .270 :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Houndhunter on August 08, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 08, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
If a wolf killed my dog or even attempted to do so its gonna dieYEAH I here ya BUT THE WOLVES GOT THEIR BEFORE THE HUNTERS DID ....Thats the problem ..wolves were long gone by the time they got their ... :bash: :bash:
Post by: mulehunter on August 08, 2011, 07:45:38 PM
Mulehunter.
Post by: sebek556 on August 08, 2011, 08:22:45 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on August 09, 2011, 12:40:57 PM
Same here just with my .338 X bolt :bfg::fire.:I hope to see one like that one day ... in crosshairs of my .270 :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: huntinguy on August 11, 2011, 06:02:57 PM
Update:
The neighbors tell me the game warden came out to the guys house and said it definitely wasn't wolves. Not sure how he could tell days afterward, so I am very suspect of that statement, but that's the story in the neighborhood. So does that mean when they come back the guy can protect his dogs, some neighbors are thinking that statement makes it's safe to protect their pets and livestock. :dunno:
Sounds like :bs: to me. It's amazing how blatant their BS is getting....
Wolves do not attack domestic animals or people. Only hybrid animals do that... That is what I was told by someone from the DFW. So, obviously if they tried to attack the guys dogs they were not wolves... sheesh, :bash: Wonder why they send a game warden out... they could have identified them as not wolves over the phone :bash:
Post by: sebek556 on August 11, 2011, 06:06:18 PM
Post by: jmoyer2 on August 11, 2011, 11:54:49 PM
wolves dont attack people :bs: in WA cause their numbers have not gotten high enough yet, just wait for the numbers to go up and the prey to go down then lets see what all is being attacked. I dont give it 3 years till someone is attacked.
unfortunately that is what it will take until the seriousness of this situation is understood. sad but true...
Post by: 7.62Warbird on August 22, 2011, 10:37:39 AM
The worst thing is that you can't protect your property against these wolves, they have more rights than the people. :twocents:
They may have more rights than people but... to date I don't know anyone that speaks wolf. :tup: No witness...No crime :dunno:
Post by: huntrights on August 22, 2011, 07:59:02 PM
I have said this in other forums. The only way to truly battle this idiocy is on the political front. Each and every person that reads and participates in these forums needs to write their representatives about these issues and the very real dangers that are developing. Present the facts, and then respectfully tell them that you expect them, as your representatives, to put the safety and welfare of people ahead of any predator regardless of its "endangered" status. People should not fear unjustified prosecution by local or federal government agencies by taking prudent and reasonable actions to protect themselves, their families, other people, or their property from attack by marauding and vicious predators that those same agencies have placed in our “ back yards”. Our representatives absolutely must act on our behalf and introduce bills that protect us, our families, and our property.
Writing your representatives is very fast and easy (http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml (http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml)). If you have time to write in this forum, you definitely have time to write your representatives to ask them for their help in battling these issues. It works, your message gets through, and your letters/emails do make a difference.
Post by: Elk lover on August 23, 2011, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: sebek556 on August 23, 2011, 11:08:41 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2011, 12:04:12 PM
All,
I have said this in other forums. The only way to truly battle this idiocy is on the political front. Each and every person that reads and participates in these forums needs to write their representatives about these issues and the very real dangers that are developing. Present the facts, and then respectfully tell them that you expect them, as your representatives, to put the safety and welfare of people ahead of any predator regardless of its "endangered" status. People should not fear unjustified prosecution by local or federal government agencies by taking prudent and reasonable actions to protect themselves, their families, other people, or their property from attack by marauding and vicious predators that those same agencies have placed in our “ back yards”. Our representatives absolutely must act on our behalf and introduce bills that protect us, our families, and our property.
Writing your representatives is very fast and easy (http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml (http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml)). If you have time to write in this forum, you definitely have time to write your representatives to ask them for their help in battling these issues. It works, your message gets through, and your letters/emails do make a difference.
You are exactly correct, hunters must be more vocal.
Have you joined "Washington for Wildlife", if not, we are trying to organize hunters, we could use your help, I invite you to join here it's free: http://www.washingtonforwildlife.org/cgi-bin/oc/register.cgi (http://www.washingtonforwildlife.org/cgi-bin/oc/register.cgi)
Post by: Wenatcheejay on August 24, 2011, 02:04:25 PM
All,
I have said this in other forums. The only way to truly battle this idiocy is on the political front. Each and every person that reads and participates in these forums needs to write their representatives about these issues and the very real dangers that are developing. Present the facts, and then respectfully tell them that you expect them, as your representatives, to put the safety and welfare of people ahead of any predator regardless of its "endangered" status. People should not fear unjustified prosecution by local or federal government agencies by taking prudent and reasonable actions to protect themselves, their families, other people, or their property from attack by marauding and vicious predators that those same agencies have placed in our “ back yards”. Our representatives absolutely must act on our behalf and introduce bills that protect us, our families, and our property.
Writing your representatives is very fast and easy (http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml (http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml)). If you have time to write in this forum, you definitely have time to write your representatives to ask them for their help in battling these issues. It works, your message gets through, and your letters/emails do make a difference.
You are exactly correct, hunters must be more vocal.
Have you joined "Washington for Wildlife", if not, we are trying to organize hunters, we could use your help, I invite you to join here it's free: http://www.washingtonforwildlife.org/cgi-bin/oc/register.cgi (http://www.washingtonforwildlife.org/cgi-bin/oc/register.cgi)
Acquiring biologists and experts from our side/point of view to testify is also is needed.
At this point science is being trumped by Federal Judges and EcoAgendas, tax collected is being robbed. Then, they (Government) are demanding more fees and taxes to cover the shortfall and fallout from what their policies have created.
Post by: huntrights on August 24, 2011, 11:09:52 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 03, 2011, 10:23:37 AM
I was told on the phone by WDFW that it was probably coyotes or a pack of dogs that the landowner saw attacking his dogs in the kennel. I then asked about the fact that the landowner sees coyotes on a fairly regular basis on his property and the fact that when the "wolves" were face to face with his german shepherds they all appeared as large or larger than the german shepherds and looked like wolves to the landowner who has seen photos of wolves. I mentioned that I knew of no hybrids owned by anyone in that area (I live only 2 miles from where this occurred). I also asked what 5 adult coyotes would be doing together in the middle of the summer, there was no answer to this question. I am not sure that an officer had even been to the property yet. It seemed to me that I was being told to drop the idea that it was wolves attacking the dogs. :twocents:
This is the report on the WDFW website:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/reports/report.php?id=678 (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/reports/report.php?id=678)
Incidently, the report is incorrect, this occurred in unit 111 Alladin
Post by: Cleve on October 03, 2011, 10:35:19 AM
Post by: KillBilly on October 03, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
I bet it was swamp gas that made the coyotes look larger than they really were, or possibly a weather balloon that landed in the Kennel. :chuckle:
I vote that the officers that investigated it and told the man they must have been coyotes, were affected by some type of gas... :chuckle:
Post by: grizzlyadams on October 03, 2011, 08:16:07 PM
The worst thing is that you can't protect your property against these wolves, they have more rights than the people. :twocents:
Not on my property they don't! If I have to choose between the life of my family or animals.....wolfy is a gonner! Penalties be damned.
Post by: Condor58 on October 03, 2011, 09:05:50 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 03, 2011, 09:36:40 PM
Post by: jackmaster on October 04, 2011, 12:17:54 PM