Post by: kalamasasquatch on August 01, 2011, 04:43:54 PM
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Post by: actionshooter on August 01, 2011, 05:06:49 PM
Now the caveat... This year I'm going to be elk hunting (packpack,bivy) in Montana for 14 days in an area where there are grizzly warnings. For the 1st time ever I am considering carrying either my S&W Scandium airweight .357 or bear spray.
I'm not even sure I'll do either yet.
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Post by: rtspring on August 01, 2011, 08:44:43 PM
My thinking on a side arm is this, Go through and look at almost all attacks or whatever on humans and you will find that most hunters drop there rifle in an attack and rarely get a shot off. Now most of us don't really know what we would really do until that attack ever comes. Grown men turn into cowards alot of the times. I want something on my hip that I can pull out very quickly and put some lead into what ever is try to get me..
Think about a cougar for example, if he is stalking you like he wants to eat you. You will have little to no time to defend yourslef with a rifle, but in the event he does get ahold of you, its nice to know a side arm is right there on your hip. then atlast maybe you have a fighting chance......
Post by: mtndew on August 01, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
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Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 01, 2011, 09:41:44 PM
I have had a bear running right at me before by the way. I was calf calling and the guy came right at me. I stood up and he took off like crazy. So did I :yike: The following season is when I started carrying bear spray...
Post by: dlaw on August 01, 2011, 09:43:30 PM
I know I will get someone going with that. :)
That being said, I carry S&W .40
Post by: bucklucky on August 01, 2011, 09:47:23 PM
I won't as a general rule, to much weight. I'm not going to go through all the work of cutting ounces and then add a heavy gun that in all probability has a 99.99% chance it won't be used.
Now the caveat... This year I'm going to be elk hunting (packpack,bivy) in Montana for 14 days in an area where there are grizzly warnings. For the 1st time ever I am considering carrying either my S&W Scandium airweight .357 or bear spray.
I'm not even sure I'll do either yet.
I got sopme stories for you about montana from my buddy that might make you want to carry a gun :yike: Grzz aint scared of people thats for sure!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 01, 2011, 09:53:32 PM
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Post by: Raul Duke on August 02, 2011, 08:27:38 AM
i carry a 40 cal glock 22. i carry one extra mag with me when im hunting bear,elk and deer
I'm carrying the same thing. :tup:
Post by: Nape.257 on August 02, 2011, 11:00:03 AM
I sleep good at nite.
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I bought my wife a Ruger LCR 357 and have often thought about stealing it for a protection gun while hunting. It is just so light.
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Post by: whacker1 on August 02, 2011, 02:59:51 PM
sorry i might have missed it, but are you bow huntn? if so, is it even legal to carry a handgun during elk archery season, sorry if i am way off thread..
Yes, Jack the laws changed in the last couple of years. I believe you still have have Concealled permit.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on August 02, 2011, 03:10:36 PM
if you choose the 329pd you would be best to never even shoot it untill you get the x frame grips.....they make that much difference. I actually hunted deer with mine this last year. I love that gun.
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Awesome guns those 329's. I have allot of 44 mag ammo loaded and wonder about some of the higher pressure rounds loaded for my super redhawk? Hows that top strap treatin ya?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2011, 03:12:56 PM
sorry i might have missed it, but are you bow huntn? if so, is it even legal to carry a handgun during elk archery season, sorry if i am way off thread..
Yes, Jack the laws changed in the last couple of years. I believe you still have have Concealled permit.
Nope, don't need the concealed permit while participating in outdoors activities. I learned that here. Someone will paste the regs, I'm sure, as I'm to lazy to look for them.
Post by: Kain on August 02, 2011, 04:11:06 PM
:chuckle:sorry i might have missed it, but are you bow huntn? if so, is it even legal to carry a handgun during elk archery season, sorry if i am way off thread..
Yes, Jack the laws changed in the last couple of years. I believe you still have have Concealled permit.
Nope, don't need the concealed permit while participating in outdoors activities. I learned that here. Someone will paste the regs, I'm sure, as I'm to lazy to look for them.
RCW 9.41.060
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
( 8 ) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
Post by: True Sportsman on August 02, 2011, 04:22:25 PM
sorry i might have missed it, but are you bow huntn? if so, is it even legal to carry a handgun during elk archery season, sorry if i am way off thread..
Yes, Jack the laws changed in the last couple of years. I believe you still have have Concealled permit.
Nope, don't need the concealed permit while participating in outdoors activities. I learned that here. Someone will paste the regs, I'm sure, as I'm to lazy to look for them.
Your honesty made me laugh. :chuckle:
Post by: WA hunter14 on August 02, 2011, 04:22:33 PM
I just carry what I own...a .45 glock. If I cant stop an attacker with 10 rounds, plus xtra clip, ....its gonna be a hellofa story afterwards. :chuckle:
if you couldnt stop it how are you gonna tell the story? :chuckle:
Post by: high country on August 02, 2011, 06:52:37 PM
if you choose the 329pd you would be best to never even shoot it untill you get the x frame grips.....they make that much difference. I actually hunted deer with mine this last year. I love that gun.
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Awesome guns those 329's. I have allot of 44 mag ammo loaded and wonder about some of the higher pressure rounds loaded for my super redhawk? Hows that top strap treatin ya?
There is a replaceable stainless insert. When it shows wear, send it to smith and they will fix it free and ship it both ways.
Post by: MADMAX on August 04, 2011, 07:40:00 AM
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Post by: bradslam on August 04, 2011, 09:25:37 AM
springfield xd 45 13 rounds. someone said earlier about there not being enough penetration, but if a black bear can take 13 rounds to the face with a 45 with plus power hollow/solid mix in the clip, then he has earned his dinner!!!
Explain to me how you are going to get off 13 shots if you are attacked by a bear. In most bear attacks, the person was not aware of the bear until very close range. They will be charging you at 35 mph. Most likely you won't even get your gun drawn, let alone getting off an accurate enough shot to stop the attack. 13 shots? Stop the macho attitude and come back to reality.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on August 04, 2011, 09:59:40 AM
Have a friend roll a basketball at you from say 35 feet at 30 to 35 mph and see if you can hit it 13 times.
If you can, now add a car coming at you from behind while this is going on at 35 mph but at delay that will give you one second extra to get out of the way before it smashes you. You cant move though until all 13 rounds hit the ball.
Fact is you haven't figured in "Stress fire". It makes a HUGE difference and is why cops getting shot at can miss a human at 15 feet 13 times. You may get one well placed lucky shot. A 45, 40 9mm inst going to cut it without a miracle of luck.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 04, 2011, 10:58:54 AM
Post by: bloodhound on August 04, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
Post by: high country on August 04, 2011, 11:11:18 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on August 04, 2011, 11:47:06 PM
Post by: actionshooter on August 14, 2011, 05:47:04 PM
I won't as a general rule, to much weight. I'm not going to go through all the work of cutting ounces and then add a heavy gun that in all probability has a 99.99% chance it won't be used.
Now the caveat... This year I'm going to be elk hunting (packpack,bivy) in Montana for 14 days in an area where there are grizzly warnings. For the 1st time ever I am considering carrying either my S&W Scandium airweight .357 or bear spray.
I'm not even sure I'll do either yet.
I got sopme stories for you about montana from my buddy that might make you want to carry a gun :yike: Grzz aint scared of people thats for sure!!
Well after talking to a buddy who had a couple of bear encounters last year right where I am going to be. I WILL be carrying my Glock 10mm loaded for bear. :tung:
Post by: hillbilli on August 18, 2011, 10:32:10 PM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 19, 2011, 09:02:46 AM
ok yes it was an exaggeration, but i still think one 45 round between the eyes at a charging bear 20 feet away is gonna put a damper on his charge idea.
Good luck hitting between the eyes!
Post by: KillBilly on August 19, 2011, 09:30:22 AM
ok yes it was an exaggeration, but i still think one 45 round between the eyes at a charging bear 20 feet away is gonna put a damper on his charge idea.
Let me know how that works out for ya.... :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 19, 2011, 10:27:12 AM
ok yes it was an exaggeration, but i still think one 45 round between the eyes at a charging bear 20 feet away is gonna put a damper on his charge idea.
Let me know how that works out for ya.... :dunno:
LOL, yeah I'd like to see that shot.
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 19, 2011, 10:35:07 AM
A racing stripe up the brow comes to mind. :chuckle:ok yes it was an exaggeration, but i still think one 45 round between the eyes at a charging bear 20 feet away is gonna put a damper on his charge idea.
Let me know how that works out for ya.... :dunno:
LOL, yeah I'd like to see that shot.
Post by: high country on August 19, 2011, 10:53:32 AM
Post by: Glockster on August 19, 2011, 11:08:06 AM
In AK I always carry the spray as that doesn't require much aim along with my Glock 20SF 10mm....which is not much more than an extreme last ditch effort. (10mm is woefully undergunned for big browns) Every handgun is a compromise in the self defense dept. If you're expecting danger, have a 12ga with you. :twocents:
The real animals I'd be concerned with down here are the two legged variety.
Post by: KopperBuck on August 19, 2011, 11:49:37 AM
Those of you who think you can hit a charging bear or cougar with a handgun the best way to find out if you really can is try to hit a bouncing basket ball coming at you from 15yds with your choice of handgun. Let me know how that works out for ya....That's a humbler right there :yike:
In AK I always carry the spray as that doesn't require much aim along with my Glock 20SF 10mm....which is not much more than an extreme last ditch effort. (10mm is woefully undergunned for big browns) Every handgun is a compromise in the self defense dept. If you're expecting danger, have a 12ga with you. :twocents:
The real animals I'd be concerned with down here are the two legged variety.
Yessir. I'd take the spray over a pistol if I had to decide. As people have pointed out, chit tends to happen quickly and out of control. Kind of makes what caliber a smaller debate.
Post by: actionshooter on August 19, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
Those of you who think you can hit a charging bear or cougar with a handgun the best way to find out if you really can is try to hit a bouncing basket ball coming at you from 15yds with your choice of handgun. Let me know how that works out for ya....That's a humbler right there :yike:
I've seen the basketball trick mentioned on this thread a couple of times. I want to know who the hell you guys found that was willing to roll it at you? :chuckle:
Then I want to know if I can use my Brazos IPSC pistol, bet I can hit it a time or two. ;)
Post by: cem3434 on August 19, 2011, 10:53:12 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 19, 2011, 11:03:47 PM
Post by: high country on August 20, 2011, 06:47:17 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 20, 2011, 11:13:36 AM
Post by: True Sportsman on August 20, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Man I would never take spray over lead. I put between 3000-5000 rds threw handguns every year. Countless drills and have taken professional self defense classes. I carry a handgun every day of my life and trust it to save my life in a bad situation. Ever seen what bear spray does in a heavy wind, or wind that is blowing into your face? I have seen it. I will trust my side arm.
Man, 3000-5000 rnds a year... You should be decent at pistol shooting. :chuckle:
One summer I put 1000 rounds through a 9mm and a 45. I felt like I could hit anything.
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 20, 2011, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 20, 2011, 05:46:55 PM
Man I would never take spray over lead. I put between 3000-5000 rds threw handguns every year. Countless drills and have taken professional self defense classes. I carry a handgun every day of my life and trust it to save my life in a bad situation. Ever seen what bear spray does in a heavy wind, or wind that is blowing into your face? I have seen it. I will trust my side arm.
Man, 3000-5000 rnds a year... You should be decent at pistol shooting. :chuckle:
One summer I put 1000 rounds through a 9mm and a 45. I felt like I could hit anything.
I am a good shot with a long gun but handguns are my cup of tea. I have taken more then a few big game animals with them as well. I hope to add another 4 this year :IBCOOL:
Post by: True Sportsman on August 20, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
Man I would never take spray over lead. I put between 3000-5000 rds threw handguns every year. Countless drills and have taken professional self defense classes. I carry a handgun every day of my life and trust it to save my life in a bad situation. Ever seen what bear spray does in a heavy wind, or wind that is blowing into your face? I have seen it. I will trust my side arm.
Man, 3000-5000 rnds a year... You should be decent at pistol shooting. :chuckle:
One summer I put 1000 rounds through a 9mm and a 45. I felt like I could hit anything.
I am a good shot with a long gun but handguns are my cup of tea. I have taken more then a few big game animals with them as well. I hope to add another 4 this year :IBCOOL:
That is really awesome. What is the pistol you killed the most with? How many animals have you killed with a pistol?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 20, 2011, 06:25:37 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 20, 2011, 06:29:28 PM
Post by: grizzlyadams on August 20, 2011, 06:30:39 PM
Glock 20 10mm. It has some thump and is super accurate. (In my hand anyway) :twocents:
:yeah:
Thats exacrly why I bought my Glock 20. both mags loaded with Double Tap 200 grains bookin at 1350 fps. I wouldn't carry anything less than that. Start there and go bigger. Besides, the 10mm is rated as an ok to hunt with as long as you have a 4 inch barrel for a reason. Not that you're going to be hunting with it but it will put a cat or a bear down. No matter what you carry, make sure you practice with it. It does you no good to bring it if you cant hit a moving target under stress. I throw a basketball as far as I can up a hill and then draw on it and shoot. Pretending that its a bears head bouncing around as he trucks toward me. Bear spray is good to but just hope you dont have to deploy it upwind, otherwise your going down and the bear gets a tasty cajun meal :chuckle:
Post by: grizzlyadams on August 20, 2011, 06:45:33 PM
sorry i might have missed it, but are you bow huntn? if so, is it even legal to carry a handgun during elk archery season, sorry if i am way off thread..
Yes, Jack the laws changed in the last couple of years. I believe you still have have Concealled permit.
Nope, don't need the concealed permit while participating in outdoors activities. I learned that here. Someone will paste the regs, I'm sure, as I'm to lazy to look for them.
pianoman is correct. I picked up the new book on the regs a few months ago. Have to locate it to give you the exact RCW but it basically states that while participating in outdoor activities, you may conceal carry without a permit. I will locate the book and repost with the specific RCW
Post by: grizzlyadams on August 20, 2011, 07:52:18 PM
RCW 9.41.060 Exceptions to Restrictions on Carrying Firearms.
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
(4) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of the person, if possessing, using, or carrying a pistol in the usual or ordinary course of the business;
(6) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting, when those members are at or are going to or from their places of target practice;
(7) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of modern and antique firearm collecting, when those members are at or are going to or from their collector's gun shows and exhibits;
(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
(9) Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper
Post by: actionshooter on August 20, 2011, 11:40:35 PM
People might be very good with a handgun target shooting but, when it comes to real life, different story.
Just target shooting once in a while, thats a true statement. For guys who shoot a lot in a competitive atmosphere, muscle memory comes into play. Also controlling stress while shooting under a timer might not be real life, but thats about as close as you can get.
I shoot close to 1000 rounds a month when I'm actively competeing.
Post by: jdb on August 21, 2011, 04:59:53 PM
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Post by: TheHunt on August 21, 2011, 05:26:48 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 21, 2011, 05:31:48 PM
People might be very good with a handgun target shooting but, when it comes to real life, different story.
Just target shooting once in a while, thats a true statement. For guys who shoot a lot in a competitive atmosphere, muscle memory comes into play. Also controlling stress while shooting under a timer might not be real life, but thats about as close as you can get.
I shoot close to 1000 rounds a month when I'm actively competeing.
Competition shooters and recreational shooters are 2 completely different aniimals. But, have you had to pull a gun on someone ? I have, and they didn't like it.
Post by: huntinguy on August 21, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?act...downfile&id=80 (http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?act...downfile&id=80)
Post by: grizzlyadams on August 22, 2011, 04:43:04 AM
Found this link.
http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?act...downfile&id=80 (http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?act...downfile&id=80)
Great link....thanks for sharing. Took some time to go through the do no patronize list and circumstances behind the list entries. I can say i will not be patronizing these places anymore.
Post by: Glockster on August 22, 2011, 10:06:29 AM
Mostly it boils down to situational awareness as to which weapon and when to deploy that determines your chances of coming out on top when it comes to self defense situations in the woods or the concrete jungle.
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 22, 2011, 10:25:56 AM
You can shoot all day long for a year, but when a bear is charging at you it is a completely different ball game.
All I had to do in my case was stand up and the bear stopped charging and took off the other direction, but that didn't happen until it was about 10 feet away from me.
PS the bear charging me was an awesome experience I must say!
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 22, 2011, 10:27:25 AM
To clarify, I don't recommend picking gun over spray or visa versa.....I carry both.
Mostly it boils down to situational awareness as to which weapon and when to deploy that determines your chances of coming out on top when it comes to self defense situations in the woods or the concrete jungle.
I would say this is the best option
Post by: actionshooter on August 22, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
You can shoot all day long for a year, but when a bear is charging at you it is a completely different ball game.
Absolutely not true.
If you completely fall apart mentally your not going to be able pull a gun, shoot pepper spray or do anything else but crap your pants.
But I can guarantee that if you have trained with a firearm to that degree, there is NO THOUGHT in pulling a firearm and shooting fast and accurately. It is 100% auto-pilot
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 22, 2011, 06:42:47 PM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 22, 2011, 07:24:12 PM
You can shoot all day long for a year, but when a bear is charging at you it is a completely different ball game.
Absolutely not true.
If you completely fall apart mentally your not going to be able pull a gun, shoot pepper spray or do anything else but crap your pants.
But I can guarantee that if you have trained with a firearm to that degree, there is NO THOUGHT in pulling a firearm and shooting fast and accurately. It is 100% auto-pilot
I suggest re-reading what I posted. I said the majority wouldn't be able to perform, and clearly stated that some can.
I feel comfortable in saying I could have pulled a pepper spray bottle and sprayed in the general direction,(spray is a cloud not a stream.) but no way in heck could I have hit the vitals with side arm.
Ill restate, some can maintain composure with a gun, especially those with prior experience in these types of situations. However I strongly feel the average joe and firearm enthusiast would lose composure fast.
Disclaimer- I am not doubting anybodies skill whatsoever, just saying the majority wouldn't have a very good chance of making a charge stopping kind of a shot in the moment.
Post by: actionshooter on August 22, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
You can shoot all day long for a year, but when a bear is charging at you it is a completely different ball game.
Absolutely not true.
If you completely fall apart mentally your not going to be able pull a gun, shoot pepper spray or do anything else but crap your pants.
But I can guarantee that if you have trained with a firearm to that degree, there is NO THOUGHT in pulling a firearm and shooting fast and accurately. It is 100% auto-pilot
I suggest re-reading what I posted. I said the majority wouldn't be able to perform, and clearly stated that some can.
I feel comfortable in saying I could have pulled a pepper spray bottle and sprayed in the general direction,(spray is a cloud not a stream.) but no way in heck could I have hit the vitals with side arm.
Ill restate, some can maintain composure with a gun, especially those with prior experience in these types of situations. However I strongly feel the average joe and firearm enthusiast would lose composure fast.
Disclaimer- I am not doubting anybodies skill whatsoever, just saying the majority wouldn't have a very good chance of making a charge stopping kind of a shot in the moment.
I was false charged by a smaller blacky a few years ago. He was 30-40' out, popping his jaws and making a god awful growl/wuff combo while he would jump toward me about 5 feet at a time. I was definately scared but not terrified. No spray and no gun, what I did have was a camera and I guess I was to busy taking pics too realize I was probably in trouble. I just kept backing up and he turned and took off after forever (20 seconds) :chuckle:
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 23, 2011, 07:51:57 AM
Post by: actionshooter on August 23, 2011, 08:45:12 PM
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on September 25, 2016, 11:31:46 AM
My goals are, lightweight, semi auto, pack a punch, able to clip onto my Kifaru belt.
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Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
I'm looking potentially at a Springfield XDS in .45 it's 5+1. Any thoughts?
Whqts the benefit of a semi auto if its only 6 round capacity? Why not a .357 revolver?
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on September 25, 2016, 01:48:25 PM
I'm looking potentially at a Springfield XDS in .45 it's 5+1. Any thoughts?
Whqts the benefit of a semi auto if its only 6 round capacity? Why not a .357 revolver?
Weight, profile, ease of reloading, everyday cc, and I prefer the feel of semis. (My opinions though)
Post by: nicz on September 25, 2016, 01:53:06 PM
I would also look at Smith & wesson governor in the same caliber.
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786049_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2016, 02:02:31 PM
I'm looking potentially at a Springfield XDS in .45 it's 5+1. Any thoughts?
Whqts the benefit of a semi auto if its only 6 round capacity? Why not a .357 revolver?
Weight, profile, ease of reloading, everyday cc, and I prefer the feel of semis. (My opinions though)
My thought is that a cc gun and a woods gun are 2 different things. Small 9mm for concealed carry, good enough for 2 legged critters. Bigger gun for bears etc. No need to conceal in the woods, so a revolver is where its at
Post by: Hunterjordan21 on September 25, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
Post by: copasj on September 25, 2016, 02:40:29 PM
My thought would be to get one that meets the legal definition for hunting. Just to avoid the question of poaching by "hunting" with an illegal weapon.
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Post by: brush hunter on September 25, 2016, 03:32:48 PM
Ran into a game warden on a trail in Wyoming I got to talking with him and I noticed he had a 44 and bear spray on the other side. I asked him oh so you have back up when the spray doesn't work. He said NO the gun is for crazy hunters and the spray is for the bears. He said on 4 different occasions he had bears charge him on a full run and he hit them with the spray and they stop on a dime and run off breaking everything they hit. Keep in mind most spray is for 10 to 15 feet. In Wyoming I carry bear spray.Those whacky rangers will tell you anything. Fact is, if you use bare spray, 90% of the time your going to get it in your eyes.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 25, 2016, 03:55:46 PM
few years back if you hunted archery or muzzy WDFW had a really stupid reg that you couldn't have a handgun on you....so most of the guys were carrying concealed something like the 1911s or the little Kahrs.I'm looking potentially at a Springfield XDS in .45 it's 5+1. Any thoughts?
Whqts the benefit of a semi auto if its only 6 round capacity? Why not a .357 revolver?
Weight, profile, ease of reloading, everyday cc, and I prefer the feel of semis. (My opinions though)
My thought is that a cc gun and a woods gun are 2 different things. Small 9mm for concealed carry, good enough for 2 legged critters. Bigger gun for bears etc. No need to conceal in the woods, so a revolver is where its at
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on September 25, 2016, 03:58:43 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 25, 2016, 04:11:51 PM
I have a Taurus Judge in 45 LC/.410. It is awesome, you can use it for grouse too.
I would also look at Smith & wesson governor in the same caliber.
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786049_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Same here.
My hunting sidearm is a judge. And my shoulder carry is a Bond Ranger ll in same caliber.
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 25, 2016, 07:57:32 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
Post by: SniperDanWA on September 25, 2016, 10:17:04 PM
Post by: jackmaster on September 26, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 26, 2016, 09:55:45 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on September 26, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
Whatever you think you'll need to stop a tweeker or grow operation bandito. Bears are the least threat to us in the woods unless you're hunting grizzly territory.
Sad P-man, but true.
Post by: AdnaHunter on September 26, 2016, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: snake on September 26, 2016, 07:05:15 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 26, 2016, 07:06:53 PM
Post by: brush hunter on September 26, 2016, 08:11:01 PM
Post by: TVHunts on September 26, 2016, 08:19:26 PM
Post by: WA hunter14 on September 26, 2016, 08:21:28 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 26, 2016, 08:40:02 PM
Be sure to file off the front and rear sights of your pistol when hunting in bear country.The newer revolvers are pushing lead better than a .30-30 and some are even beating the .30-06.
Post by: jackmaster on September 27, 2016, 10:53:01 AM
Be sure to file off the front and rear sights of your pistol when hunting in bear country.why would you want to file them off
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on September 27, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Glock 29 - 10mm during archery elk.
:tup: This is one of the ones that I was looking at and as of right now I am leaning towards this setup.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 27, 2016, 11:00:41 AM
It's part of an old joke when pistols were still really underpowered. You file them off so it doesn't hurt as much when the bear takes it away and shoves it up you butt.Be sure to file off the front and rear sights of your pistol when hunting in bear country.why would you want to file them off
Post by: snake on September 27, 2016, 08:28:00 PM
Jimmy you are the first person in the lower 48 to get that joke! Awesome!It's part of an old joke when pistols were still really underpowered. You file them off so it doesn't hurt as much when the bear takes it away and shoves it up you butt.Be sure to file off the front and rear sights of your pistol when hunting in bear country.why would you want to file them off
Post by: snake on September 27, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on September 27, 2016, 09:03:16 PM
In case of a bear attack, your chances are at least 10 times better with bear spray vs ANY pistol. But you are probably more likely to be struck by lightning that be attacked by a bear. Either way, don't be scared.
I have no idea where your getting your info, it is not factual.
A guy just recently stopped a charging bear with a 10mm in Alaska.
Post by: tgomez on September 27, 2016, 10:21:31 PM
I carry Glock 21 .45 with 2 extra mags. because you never know?!?!?!
+2, I also carry a Glock Gen2 .45. I carry a 13 round magazine with 230 grain switching FMJ/JHP every other round.
Post by: CastleRocker on September 27, 2016, 10:42:34 PM
The key is... whatever you shoot, you should shoot it until you are accurate with it. If you miss, you may as well be throwing flowers.
Post by: huntnnw on September 27, 2016, 10:42:38 PM
Post by: usmc74 on September 28, 2016, 04:53:59 AM
Glock 29 - 10mm during archery elk.
:tup: This is one of the ones that I was looking at and as of right now I am leaning towards this setup.
+1: I chose the Glock 29, and put in a Wolf barrel to get over 4" (WA min barrel length to hunt). Self defense doesn't matter barrel length.
I have drawn it twice while hunting, but have not had/got to fire. (cougar are fast)
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2016, 05:08:21 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 28, 2016, 06:44:40 AM
Post by: floatinghat on September 28, 2016, 07:07:24 AM
Ran into a game warden on a trail in Wyoming I got to talking with him and I noticed he had a 44 and bear spray on the other side. I asked him oh so you have back up when the spray doesn't work. He said NO the gun is for crazy hunters and the spray is for the bears. He said on 4 different occasions he had bears charge him on a full run and he hit them with the spray and they stop on a dime and run off breaking everything they hit. Keep in mind most spray is for 10 to 15 feet. In Wyoming I carry bear spray.
I have the same thought process. I don't practice drawing and shooting my pistol under stressful situations. We have experts here who can and good for them if they can perform under those conditions. I started carrying when tweekers killed a couple of people about 15 years ago. I carry a 9mm for 2 leggers and spray for 4's. Bottom line though now when I go deeper I am looking to loose all the extra "baggage".
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2016, 07:17:06 AM
I carry a .45, it's kinda a pain in the butt because my pack and holster are always in the way of each other, rubs against my hip. But, I never leave the pistol at home or camp.
Try a leg holster or shoulder carry. When I carry my .45 in a shoulder holster, it doesn't mess with my pack or shooting at all.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 28, 2016, 07:49:35 AM
Do you have a bino harness? I wear one and wonder if it would mess with it?I carry a .45, it's kinda a pain in the butt because my pack and holster are always in the way of each other, rubs against my hip. But, I never leave the pistol at home or camp.
Try a leg holster or shoulder carry. When I carry my .45 in a shoulder holster, it doesn't mess with my pack or shooting at all.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2016, 07:53:57 AM
Post by: HotRod on September 28, 2016, 08:50:41 AM
Post by: usmc74 on September 28, 2016, 06:49:13 PM
During Archery season, it's illegal to hunt with a firearm while you're bowhunting, USMC74. The firearm can only be used for personal protection.
It was archery, but being 15 yards away, on the same trail as me, I drew the Glock. The cougar quickly reconsidered me as food, and left the scene. Pistol was 3.9" at the time. I changed barrels so I would be ready for all circumstances in the future :tup:
Post by: usmc74 on September 28, 2016, 06:49:40 PM
Post by: SniperDanWA on September 28, 2016, 06:58:11 PM
I carry a .45, it's kinda a pain in the butt because my pack and holster are always in the way of each other, rubs against my hip. But, I never leave the pistol at home or camp.
Try a leg holster or shoulder carry. When I carry my .45 in a shoulder holster, it doesn't mess with my pack or shooting at all.
Yeah PMan, I use three different holsters - depending on weather, clothes and time of year. I too, mostly shoulder carry, but I use my leg holster as a close second. My least favorite when hunting is on my hip. I've tried attaching it to my pack, but it's awkward for me.
Post by: snake on September 28, 2016, 08:21:03 PM
http://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/news/trail-news/ask-a-bear-how-many-bear-attacks-really-2/In case of a bear attack, your chances are at least 10 times better with bear spray vs ANY pistol. But you are probably more likely to be struck by lightning that be attacked by a bear. Either way, don't be scared.
I have no idea where your getting your info, it is not factual.
A guy just recently stopped a charging bear with a 10mm in Alaska.
I could get you at least 20 other sources. Its a common fact. you can shoot a Grizz in the heart with just about anything and it will still live long enough to kill everyone within at least 50 yards. :stirthepot:
Post by: copasj on September 28, 2016, 09:52:24 PM
During Archery season, it's illegal to hunt with a firearm while you're bowhunting, USMC74. The firearm can only be used for personal protection.I'm not sure if that was the intention, but when I looked back at the regs book, that seems to be how they wrote it...
Not sure what the thought process behind not allowing someone to carry something like a .44 Mag for bear/cougar while bowhunting deer/elk is. I guess this was the consolation prize for removing the crazy stipulations they used to have on hunting grouse with a pistol. Maybe I'll just switch to carrying the 3" .44 Special when bow hunting...
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on September 29, 2016, 06:20:38 AM
If I'm hunting somewhere that I could get a chance encounter with a wolf, I carry a 6" titanium .357. It's 22oz unloaded and is pretty accurate, though I think I would be better with my bow at 40 yards than a pistol
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 29, 2016, 06:39:43 AM
During Archery season, it's illegal to hunt with a firearm while you're bowhunting, USMC74. The firearm can only be used for personal protection.I'm not sure if that was the intention, but when I looked back at the regs book, that seems to be how they wrote it...
Not sure what the thought process behind not allowing someone to carry something like a .44 Mag for bear/cougar while bowhunting deer/elk is. I guess this was the consolation prize for removing the crazy stipulations they used to have on hunting grouse with a pistol. Maybe I'll just switch to carrying the 3" .44 Special when bow hunting...
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From page 85 of the Big Game Regs:
"b. It is unlawful for any person to carry
or have in his possession any firearm
while in the field archery hunting,
during an archery season specified for
that area, except for modern handguns
carried for personal protection.
Modern handguns cannot be used to
hunt big game or dispatch wounded
big game during an archery, big game
hunting season."
The first line that I bolded would indicate that you can't hunt anything, including grouse, with a handgun while archery hunting. The second line kind of muddies the water by specifically calling out a prohibition on hunting big game. If you are interested in shooting grouse with a handgun while archery hunting, I would certainly contact the WDFW LEO for your area and get their opinion. While they may or may not interpret this correctly, at the very least a citation would still mean that you'd have to fight it.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 29, 2016, 07:44:03 AM
Glock 29 - 10mm during archery elk.
:tup: This is one of the ones that I was looking at and as of right now I am leaning towards this setup.
That's my EDC..great gun.
Post by: copasj on September 29, 2016, 07:59:18 AM
I didn't mean to imply I wanted to shoot grouse with the pistol while bow hunting. But the .44 SPC will launch heavier, better shaped bullets than the .45 ACP. I've just carried the .45 because it meets the 4" barrel requirement.During Archery season, it's illegal to hunt with a firearm while you're bowhunting, USMC74. The firearm can only be used for personal protection.I'm not sure if that was the intention, but when I looked back at the regs book, that seems to be how they wrote it...
Not sure what the thought process behind not allowing someone to carry something like a .44 Mag for bear/cougar while bowhunting deer/elk is. I guess this was the consolation prize for removing the crazy stipulations they used to have on hunting grouse with a pistol. Maybe I'll just switch to carrying the 3" .44 Special when bow hunting...
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From page 85 of the Big Game Regs:
"b.It is unlawful for any person to carry
or have in his possession any firearm
while in the field archery hunting,
during an archery season specified for
that area, except for modern handguns
carried for personal protection.
Modern handguns cannot be used to
hunt big game or dispatch wounded
big game during an archery, big game
hunting season."
The first line that I bolded would indicate that you can't hunt anything, including grouse, with a handgun while archery hunting. The second line kind of muddies the water by specifically calling out a prohibition on hunting big game. If you are interested in shooting grouse with a handgun while archery hunting, I would certainly contact the WDFW LEO for your area and get their opinion. While they may or may not interpret this correctly, at the very least a citation would still mean that you'd have to fight it.
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Post by: craigapphunt on September 29, 2016, 09:31:08 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 29, 2016, 09:32:42 AM
I didn't mean to imply I wanted to shoot grouse with the pistol while bow hunting. But the .44 SPC will launch heavier, better shaped bullets than the .45 ACP. I've just carried the .45 because it meets the 4" barrel requirement.During Archery season, it's illegal to hunt with a firearm while you're bowhunting, USMC74. The firearm can only be used for personal protection.I'm not sure if that was the intention, but when I looked back at the regs book, that seems to be how they wrote it...
Not sure what the thought process behind not allowing someone to carry something like a .44 Mag for bear/cougar while bowhunting deer/elk is. I guess this was the consolation prize for removing the crazy stipulations they used to have on hunting grouse with a pistol. Maybe I'll just switch to carrying the 3" .44 Special when bow hunting...
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From page 85 of the Big Game Regs:
"b.It is unlawful for any person to carry
or have in his possession any firearm
while in the field archery hunting,
during an archery season specified for
that area, except for modern handguns
carried for personal protection.
Modern handguns cannot be used to
hunt big game or dispatch wounded
big game during an archery, big game
hunting season."
The first line that I bolded would indicate that you can't hunt anything, including grouse, with a handgun while archery hunting. The second line kind of muddies the water by specifically calling out a prohibition on hunting big game. If you are interested in shooting grouse with a handgun while archery hunting, I would certainly contact the WDFW LEO for your area and get their opinion. While they may or may not interpret this correctly, at the very least a citation would still mean that you'd have to fight it.
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I was just exhibiting my skills at Cut, Paste, Bold, and Underline! :chuckle:
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 29, 2016, 05:46:02 PM
Post by: harguess on September 29, 2016, 05:51:15 PM
Post by: BLDtraLR on September 29, 2016, 05:56:36 PM
Post by: snake on September 29, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
I carry a smith $ Wesson 44mag with a 6 1/2" barrel with bear loads.whats your preferred bear load?
Post by: brew on September 29, 2016, 07:27:31 PM
Anyone know the interpretation of "in the field" and "possession" for the rule P-man cited? Rifles are legal for bears during archery elk season. Can i have a rifle in my pickup or at camp while I'm hunting for elk with my bow? Is camp "in the field?" Is the rifle in my "possession" if its in the pickup while I'm driving to the spot I want to hunt elk? How about having it in the pickup while I'm carrying my bow in the woods? Or carrying the rifle in the woods while my bow sits in the truck? Anyone have an LEO encounter with this situation?i teach hunter ed in yelm and during the classroom portion we have local f/w officers come in and talk to the students. once we had 2 in on the same nite and they got into an argument about some of the regs...bottom line is-and they admitted it- is that every officer interprets the regs differently and one long standing thurston county f/w officer actually said its not his job to interpret the laws its his job to write tickets and have the judges interpret them...thats a direct quote. imho if its archery season and i have an archery tag and its also bear season and i'm out driving around the roads with a bow and a rifle how the heck do they know what i am hunting ? you can hunt bear with any legal weapon so if i'm stopped while driving i am bear hunting. if i am walking around in the woods with a rifle i am bear hunting. if i am walking around in the woods with my bow and my rifle is in the truck i am just asking for some jack nob to throw a rock through the window of my truck and steal my firearm or vice versa
Post by: copasj on September 29, 2016, 10:30:32 PM
i teach hunter ed in yelm and during the classroom portion we have local f/w officers come in and talk to the students. once we had 2 in on the same nite and they got into an argument about some of the regs...bottom line is-and they admitted it- is that every officer interprets the regs differently and one long standing thurston county f/w officer actually said its not his job to interpret the laws its his job to write tickets and have the judges interpret them...thats a direct quote.
That's always been a beef of mine with WDFW regs. There is no reason that the hunting (or fishing) regulations should require any form of interpretations. That whole paragraph could be stricken from the rule book and have 0 effect on game management. For that matter they could strike section (a) as well, since not mentioning or differentiating between fixed blade and mechanical broadheads would make them defacto legal.
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Post by: Cylvertip on September 30, 2016, 11:22:26 AM
whatever you take just load it with hard cast.
Check out
For the wet side of the state I carry a Glock 17L ( Long Slide - 6") with two extra mags and this year it was loaded with the above mentioned ammo in +P+. (usually it is full of FMJ). When I finally get the coastal Rosie I am on a quest for and start hunting further east, I will get the Glock 40 (10mm Factory Long Slide - 6") and load/ carry it in a similar fashion.
Post by: NW-GSP on September 30, 2016, 12:09:36 PM
http://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/news/trail-news/ask-a-bear-how-many-bear-attacks-really-2/In case of a bear attack, your chances are at least 10 times better with bear spray vs ANY pistol. But you are probably more likely to be struck by lightning that be attacked by a bear. Either way, don't be scared.
I have no idea where your getting your info, it is not factual.
A guy just recently stopped a charging bear with a 10mm in Alaska.
I could get you at least 20 other sources. Its a common fact. you can shoot a Grizz in the heart with just about anything and it will still live long enough to kill everyone within at least 50 yards. :stirthepot:
Yes and I can do the same, I have seen many animals have no reaction to pepper spray.
Post by: BrianF on September 30, 2016, 03:06:26 PM
Post by: snake on September 30, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
haha, I'm sure you have...http://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/news/trail-news/ask-a-bear-how-many-bear-attacks-really-2/In case of a bear attack, your chances are at least 10 times better with bear spray vs ANY pistol. But you are probably more likely to be struck by lightning that be attacked by a bear. Either way, don't be scared.
I have no idea where your getting your info, it is not factual.
A guy just recently stopped a charging bear with a 10mm in Alaska.
I could get you at least 20 other sources. Its a common fact. you can shoot a Grizz in the heart with just about anything and it will still live long enough to kill everyone within at least 50 yards. :stirthepot:
Yes and I can do the same, I have seen many animals have no reaction to pepper spray.
Post by: smittyJ on October 01, 2016, 08:10:47 AM
I heard 40's and 45's are both too low on energy/penetration for bear.. Of course its better than nothing, but I would rather have a .357 mag or better. Now heres the funny part, I don't even own a handgun besides a ruger mark 3 .22. So I carry bear spray :chuckle:
I have had a bear running right at me before by the way. I was calf calling and the guy came right at me. I stood up and he took off like crazy. So did I :yike: The following season is when I started carrying bear spray...
+P & Hard Cast flat nose.
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2016/08/29/handguns-for-defense-against-dangerous-animals/
Post by: craigapphunt on October 04, 2016, 10:30:55 PM
Almost went wth the 29 before I found a sr 1911 held it and fell in love. Gonna build some homemade hardcast for it soon good luck on the rosie.whatever you take just load it with hard cast.
Check out Underhill Extreme Penetrator Ammo. All the benefits of hard cast plus you get some hydraulic action of the fluting down the sides that adds a good sized wound channel as a bonus.
For the wet side of the state I carry a Glock 17L ( Long Slide - 6") with two extra mags and this year it was loaded with the above mentioned ammo in +P+. (usually it is full of FMJ). When I finally get the coastal Rosie I am on a quest for and start hunting further east, I will get the Glock 40 (10mm Factory Long Slide - 6") and load/ carry it in a similar fashion.
Post by: NSAECHIN on October 05, 2016, 09:27:15 AM
I've been hunting since I was 12, and now 27 and like you all may know it's rare that you'll see a bear or cougar but I have seen about a few each in my 15 years of hunting.
It all comes down to getting used to carrying it and practicing your draw/shooting your weapon.
I have a full size Glock 20 10mm 15+1 rounds loaded with 230 gr Double tap hard cast ammo and 200gr double tap Nosler JHP. Alternating rounds in my magazine for each ammo. That way you get penetration and big wound channels. The 10mm round is as powerful or even more then a small frame .357 mag.
I have the Blackhawk thigh holster and have hiked over 20 miles a day with it on and no issues.
Whatever you get, get used to carrying it and it will feel like it isn't even there.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 05, 2016, 09:32:43 AM
Post by: NSAECHIN on October 05, 2016, 09:34:45 AM
:yeah: ...and a comfortable and functionable holster for the equipment you'll be using at the time makes all the difference.
nice to see you on the forum pianoman! Hope you are healing and recovering well.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 05, 2016, 09:37:42 AM
Post by: NSAECHIN on October 05, 2016, 09:39:52 AM
Post by: Thefishguy77 on October 05, 2016, 09:43:16 AM
I shoot a lot of 45 and am decent with it. But need to reload so I can practice more. I have a good place to try the basket ball drill. Going to try that after hunting season as I don't want to F up they guys doing archery right now.
The Glock is what I EDC so that's what I have the most experience with. 1911 stays in the safe and I sold my FNP 40sw because I could hit anything with that gun on the second shot. Hated that trigger.
Hard cast bullets for hunting and 185 +P for EDC.
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Post by: Cylvertip on October 06, 2016, 10:28:07 AM
whatever you take just load it with hard cast.
Check outUnderhillUnderwood Extreme Penetrator Ammo. All the benefits of hard cast plus you get some hydraulic action of the fluting down the sides that adds a good sized wound channel as a bonus.
For the wet side of the state I carry a Glock 17L ( Long Slide - 6") with two extra mags and this year it was loaded with the above mentioned ammo in +P+. (usually it is full of FMJ). When I finally get the coastal Rosie I am on a quest for and start hunting further east, I will get the Glock 40 (10mm Factory Long Slide - 6") and load/ carry it in a similar fashion.
Fixed my earlier post - Underwood Ammo Extreme Penatrator , not Underhill
Post by: craigapphunt on October 06, 2016, 12:16:20 PM
Post by: E35alex on October 06, 2016, 01:18:22 PM
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Post by: Rob on October 07, 2016, 07:14:47 AM
https://www.amazon.com/True-Stories-Bear-Attacks-Survived/dp/1558686797
Post by: Cylvertip on October 07, 2016, 11:41:54 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,95347.msg1232779.html#msg1232779 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,95347.msg1232779.html#msg1232779)
A .22 pistol.
Reasons:
1. Small, light weight, easy to carry.
2. Mild report and almost non-existant recoil.
3. Affordable ammo so can practice with alot without breaking the bank.
4. When your hunting partner is shot in the knee/shin area with a .22, the resulting thrashing and flopping around on the ground along with the high-pitched screamming like a little girl, not only will distract what may be a threat to you, but can also double as an attractant for predators allowing a chance at an additional trophy.
Again - NOTE TO SELF - DO NOT HUNT WITH BLACKTAIL SNIPER!
Post by: Allen23 on October 09, 2016, 05:52:54 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on October 09, 2016, 05:57:36 PM
Of course, if you are worried about bears (I bet this goes for cats and Squatch too), you can always take Blacktail Sniper's route.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,95347.msg1232779.html#msg1232779 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,95347.msg1232779.html#msg1232779)A .22 pistol.
Reasons:
1. Small, light weight, easy to carry.
2. Mild report and almost non-existant recoil.
3. Affordable ammo so can practice with alot without breaking the bank.
4. When your hunting partner is shot in the knee/shin area with a .22, the resulting thrashing and flopping around on the ground along with the high-pitched screamming like a little girl, not only will distract what may be a threat to you, but can also double as an attractant for predators allowing a chance at an additional trophy.
Again - NOTE TO SELF - DO NOT HUNT WITH BLACKTAIL SNIPER!
:tup: