Post by: cjensen on August 04, 2011, 10:21:39 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on August 04, 2011, 10:24:58 AM
Post by: cjensen on August 04, 2011, 12:58:06 PM
Post by: Arrow on August 04, 2011, 03:39:38 PM
Post by: cem3434 on August 04, 2011, 07:41:35 PM
Post by: jager on August 04, 2011, 10:53:13 PM
...and she double checked for me that the results would be available online again this year. (probably before official notification)
Results online mid next week. :)
Post by: Kowsrule30 on August 04, 2011, 11:49:05 PM
Post by: Goomsba on August 05, 2011, 11:40:07 AM
I'm betting I lost another $100.... It was gone anyways though.... :hello:
:hello: Benny
Post by: cem3434 on August 05, 2011, 05:33:31 PM
I'm betting I lost another $100.... It was gone anyways though.... :hello:
$100....that cheap. I am betting that I lost about $350 between my fiance and myself. I dont know why I buy into the WDFW bs every year, but Im addicted to hunting and I fall for it time and time again. :bash:
Some guys spend hundreds of bucks on season tickets and I spend it on hunting...........then watch sports on tv. Maybe I will get lucky one day! :chuckle:
Post by: rosscrazyelk on August 06, 2011, 08:37:40 AM
Post by: cem3434 on August 07, 2011, 11:33:42 AM
I know I will win... I just know it.......... Not
Well someones got to and if you bought tickets, then you got about the same chance as the rest of us!
Post by: Huntnphish on August 07, 2011, 12:00:43 PM
I know the results. I threw away $30.
LOL, I know the feeling.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on August 07, 2011, 07:56:13 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 07, 2011, 08:30:58 PM
Post by: cjensen on August 08, 2011, 07:44:10 AM
The results last year were available August 3rd, so they should be available any time now. I've just cursed whoever didnt know that cause you'll check the link about 112 times before the results are posted.
I checked my odds with the tickets that have been currently sold (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/)) and I have a combined 1.6% chance of drawing one of the raffles I put in for. That means that 1 in 62.5 years I'd draw something....unfortuntely that's better odds than i had this year in the regular permit hunts. :bash:
Post by: boneaddict on August 08, 2011, 08:09:38 AM
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Every Joe Blow that bought at least 1 ticket stands a chance, but I have a feeling that most of us bought a ticket so that we could dream about the dream hunt rather than go on it.
Thats essentially it
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 09, 2011, 03:04:05 PM
Post by: HoofsandWings on August 09, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on August 09, 2011, 07:13:07 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 09, 2011, 07:33:19 PM
Post by: Webfoot on August 09, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
John
Post by: nwhunter on August 09, 2011, 09:18:59 PM
Post by: Huntnphish on August 09, 2011, 09:24:53 PM
Post by: tlake on August 09, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on August 09, 2011, 11:12:22 PM
I heard from the brother-in-law of my cousins friend's sister that there was some trouble with illegal ticket purchases from some out of state people.
I heard the same thing from my baby momma's, niece's, nephew's, grand pappy's, son's friend..... :chuckle:
Post by: KNOPHISH on August 10, 2011, 05:56:07 AM
No one else got a phone call huh?! 8) nwhunterCongrats! What tag did you draw?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 10, 2011, 05:57:42 AM
That almost sounds like some inbreeding. :chuckle:I heard from the brother-in-law of my cousins friend's sister that there was some trouble with illegal ticket purchases from some out of state people.
I heard the same thing from my baby momma's, niece's, nephew's, grand pappy's, son's friend..... :chuckle:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on August 10, 2011, 06:06:44 AM
I heard from the brother-in-law of my cousins friend's sister that there was some trouble with illegal ticket purchases from some out of state people.
If the tickets were "purchased" how were they illegal? Just wondering...
Post by: slim9300 on August 10, 2011, 06:48:38 AM
Post by: Huntnphish on August 10, 2011, 10:16:22 AM
Post by: cjensen on August 10, 2011, 11:09:14 AM
Post by: tlake on August 10, 2011, 11:50:14 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 10, 2011, 12:05:02 PM
There it is - page 19 of general discussion.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79454.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79454.0.html)
Post by: Huntnphish on August 10, 2011, 02:58:34 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 10, 2011, 03:49:14 PM
Post by: cjensen on August 10, 2011, 04:00:38 PM
I was hoping that they would sell significantly less this year because of the new regulations to increase my odds....we'll see...
Post by: slim9300 on August 10, 2011, 04:36:43 PM
I think it is different than putting in for special permits because you can invest an unlimited amount in the raffle. I guess they see that it falls under what could be more closely considered gambling. There are people every year that spend $10,000 and get nothing for it. Personally, I think that their restrictions keep the honest guys from buying the tickets. If someone is such a gambling addict that they risk blowing all their money on a chance to get a hunt, then they'll find their way down to a store to buy the tickets. The guy who wants to spend 30 dollars on a couple tickets is affected the most. :twocents:
I was hoping that they would sell significantly less this year because of the new regulations to increase my odds....we'll see...
I'm pretty sure they did. The numbers are in this link.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/
Post by: cem3434 on August 10, 2011, 05:02:03 PM
Post by: YellowDog on August 10, 2011, 05:06:35 PM
I think it is different than putting in for special permits because you can invest an unlimited amount in the raffle. I guess they see that it falls under what could be more closely considered gambling. There are people every year that spend $10,000 and get nothing for it. Personally, I think that their restrictions keep the honest guys from buying the tickets. If someone is such a gambling addict that they risk blowing all their money on a chance to get a hunt, then they'll find their way down to a store to buy the tickets. The guy who wants to spend 30 dollars on a couple tickets is affected the most. :twocents:
I was hoping that they would sell significantly less this year because of the new regulations to increase my odds....we'll see...
How in the world does it keep the "honest" guys from buying tickets. Because they have to go to a dealer to buy them? Do only dishonest guys go to dealers to buy tickets? Makes no sense.
And your odds are better this year but I think the best odds were in some of the multi species raffles :twocents:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 10, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
Yeah, but they never updated it after the 18th. I know that our entire group waited until the last day and between 6 of us, we dropped over $1500 on tickets. Most of them were for deer, elk and moose. I am sure that many others did the same thing and procrastinated until the deadline.
I saw the numbers changing right up 'till the last day, but didn't see this...
Number of raffle tickets purchased as of:
July 18, 2011 9:00 pm
Is it the numbers or just the date that didn't get updated. We waited untill last day also
Post by: cjensen on August 10, 2011, 05:19:29 PM
By "honest", I simply meant the people that dont have a gambling problem. I shouldnt have used the word honest or dishonest, but then again I didnt realize that there were people out there that were so bored they would like to start a technical argument over this issue for the sake of typing.
Post by: slim9300 on August 11, 2011, 01:23:41 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 11, 2011, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 11, 2011, 01:34:29 PM
You call
You ask "Raffle Tags been drawn yet?"
WDFW says "No" (they will say this up to the point that the results post online).
or
You call
You ask "Raffle Tags been drawn yet?"
WDFW says "Hold Please".
WDFW goes to answer the other 2,349 calls coming in asking "Raffle Tags been drawn yet?"
You fall asleep or starve to death
Anyone ever had anything different happen? :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on August 11, 2011, 02:01:06 PM
Post by: cjensen on August 11, 2011, 03:22:52 PM
The point is that the people answering the phones dont know what they're talking about. They could post later this afternoon. I think they are intentionally vague on exact dates so they dont have to commit and cause they're tired of us bugging them. I'd be surprised if they werent posted by Monday or Tuesday of next week.
Post by: cem3434 on August 11, 2011, 04:54:14 PM
Post by: jager on August 11, 2011, 05:21:36 PM
Understaffed??? They weren't aware of the upcoming draw?
Poor management ALL the way around!
Post by: cem3434 on August 11, 2011, 08:38:02 PM
Post by: cjensen on August 11, 2011, 08:52:40 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 14, 2011, 10:33:33 AM
Post by: bobcat on August 14, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
Post by: Huntnphish on August 14, 2011, 11:04:32 AM
How could they wait until after September 1st? The raffle permit seasons begin on September 1st? :dunno:
Yeah, give them some credit, they are giving a whole two weeks for the winner to prepare.
Post by: cem3434 on August 14, 2011, 01:39:52 PM
How could they wait until after September 1st? The raffle permit seasons begin on September 1st? :dunno:
Yeah, give them some credit, they are giving a whole two weeks for the winner to prepare.
I dont care if they wait until after September 1st as long as they draw my number. With a 3 month season, I think I would still be able to put any one of those permits to good use!
Post by: bobcat on August 14, 2011, 01:44:02 PM
Post by: cem3434 on August 14, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
I thought it was a 4 month season? (Sept 1 to Dec 31)
You are correct, but I was referring to the comment that they would wait until September to draw. If they waited until sometime in September then it essentially becomes a 3 month season by the time they notify the winners and send out the permits, tags, etc.
Post by: bobcat on August 14, 2011, 02:25:49 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 14, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
Post by: Huntnphish on August 14, 2011, 08:24:38 PM
If I were them, everytime somebody called me and asked me when it was going to be done, I'd make you all wait a another day.
:chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on August 14, 2011, 08:27:01 PM
Post by: HoofsandWings on August 14, 2011, 09:36:36 PM
Due to a clerical error, you won't be notified that you won the raffle until 12/30/2011.
Post by: Sawbuck on August 14, 2011, 10:52:57 PM
Post by: cjensen on August 14, 2011, 11:13:08 PM
Post by: cjensen on August 15, 2011, 09:55:51 AM
Post by: bobcat on August 15, 2011, 12:28:29 PM
Post by: YellowDog on August 15, 2011, 12:37:34 PM
cjensen- do you have a lot of money invested in this?Haha, he must. Actually I think he said he and his friends had a fair amount wrapped up in the raffles. Kinda makes a guy wonder though because in order for that to happen he and his buddies (or at least one of them) had to go to a licensed dealer to buy them so I'm not sure how "honest" they could possibly be (see earlier posts). :chuckle:
For the record the "new regulations" are not really new. The law was in place in years passed but the WDFW was conducting these raffles contrary to Washington law and when it was brought to their attention they changed the way raffle tickets could be purchased in order to be in line with the law. I don't think it really has much if anything to do with chronic gambling. I think it has more to do with "fairness" in the raffle process. :twocents:
Either way, I don't see how hard it could be to go to the dealer and buy a ticket if you want one.... or 10,000 and I really don't care either way. Your odds are better this way and the real loser is the state because the raffles will end up generating less money for them to mis-manage.
Post by: cjensen on August 15, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Bobcat - I have quite a bit invested into it, but not enough to give me that good of odds. Mostly though...I guess I'm impatient and the suspense is killing me. See...I've already got my money's worth in suspense...
Post by: Wea300mag on August 15, 2011, 07:44:15 PM
I can see it already, they will use this as an excuse to increase the fees again (on top of the increase on Sept 1). They need more people to pull off this gradeschool raffle :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: seth30 on August 15, 2011, 07:49:30 PM
No news yet??? Nobody has a friend or a friends-uncles-cousins-dad who received a call from the WDFW?:yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I can see it already, they will use this as an excuse to increase the fees again (on top of the increase on Sept 1). They need more people to pull off this gradeschool raffle :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Huntnphish on August 15, 2011, 11:45:48 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 16, 2011, 08:57:57 AM
How could they wait until after September 1st? The raffle permit seasons begin on September 1st? :dunno:
Sarcasm!
Resident
Moose tag 08/31/11= $122.
Same........O9/01/11=$300
they would also probably prefer that residents do NOT win these draw$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 16, 2011, 08:59:33 AM
Post by: time2hunt on August 16, 2011, 09:36:39 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 16, 2011, 09:48:14 AM
I came out empty this year. Knew it was going to be the case because I drew last year. Yay for 1 point!
see the mistake? he's mistaken S/P for raffle
Post by: raghorn69 on August 16, 2011, 10:22:53 AM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 16, 2011, 10:25:20 AM
I came out empty this year. Knew it was going to be the case because I drew last year. Yay for 1 point!
see the mistake? he's mistaken S/P for raffle
I must say, I am completely confused now :chuckle:. Okay I just read the WDFW website on raffles. So the raffle is where people can buy points, where as the S/P you get more points from years applied? I didn't even know there was a raffle until today lol, sorry for my stupidity.
Post by: KNOPHISH on August 16, 2011, 10:58:48 AM
Post by: tlake on August 16, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
If anything is illegal on this it will be if they wait till Sept 1st to announce winners when the tag prices go up. I wouldn't put it past them. Changing the rules in the middle of the game.
I thought if you win the raffle your tag is free.
Post by: cjensen on August 16, 2011, 01:00:39 PM
Post by: KNOPHISH on August 16, 2011, 01:36:53 PM
Post by: time2hunt on August 16, 2011, 04:31:45 PM
Post by: cem3434 on August 16, 2011, 08:58:16 PM
What do you think my accountant would say if I tried to convince him its a write off?
Post by: RadSav on August 17, 2011, 12:49:24 AM
Then out of the blue the outfitter calls me up and says he had a cancellation and would I like to go try again? I said, "I'd love to but I spend my next five years of hunting budget on a dall/caribou hunt in NWT." He says, "I don't think you understand my offer. IT'S FREE!!! All you have to do is buy the tags." WaaaaaHoooo! dance a jig WaaaHooo!!! :o :chuckle: :tup: :yike: "I'll see you in November!"
I'll be spending my raffle money with those guys for the rest of my life. It's a guaranteed tag. And it seems they appreciate it much more than the WDFW.
Post by: Tim in Wa. on August 17, 2011, 07:38:56 AM
Post by: cjensen on August 17, 2011, 08:42:24 AM
Post by: slim9300 on August 17, 2011, 01:15:12 PM
I used to dump about $3,500.00 each year between moose and goat raffle. Never got drawn. Then I realized the stupidity of my ways - Canada goat hunts are only $7,500.00 and they throw in wolf, whitetail, mule deer and blackbear! So I thought I'd quit throwing my money away and book a trip up north. Thinking I was so dang smart I went up goat hunting with Sawtooth last year. Got a lung infection and almost died at 7,000', guide saved my life and I never got to take a shot. Good story to tell on my Christmas letter but still out my money and no goat.
Then out of the blue the outfitter calls me up and says he had a cancellation and would I like to go try again? I said, "I'd love to but I spend my next five years of hunting budget on a dall/caribou hunt in NWT." He says, "I don't think you understand my offer. IT'S FREE!!! All you have to do is buy the tags." WaaaaaHoooo! dance a jig WaaaHooo!!! :o :chuckle: :tup: :yike: "I'll see you in November!"
I'll be spending my raffle money with those guys for the rest of my life. It's a guaranteed tag. And it seems they appreciate it much more than the WDFW.
Dang. Good story. Good luck this year!
Post by: RadSav on August 17, 2011, 06:36:33 PM
RavSav ,that sounds like a great plan ! Maybe I missed it in this thread but Have they had the drawing yet or not ?
I think the word was that it happened yesterday, but who knows until someone gets a call from WDFW.
cjensen - I can not find my receipt from last year but if I remember correctly it was somewhere around $1,400.00 for license and tags. I paid $5,500.00 plus tags and would have paid an additional $2,000.00 had I taken a billy. Saw some nice whitetail and mulies but didn't shoot one as I was hoping for goat first. Saw at least two dozen nice billies through the spotting scope before I had to head for the medic.
Post by: NWWA Hunter on August 17, 2011, 09:48:06 PM
Post by: raghorn69 on August 17, 2011, 10:51:33 PM
Where did the rumor come from? I understood they would phone the winners first not mail. No post either. Makes you wonder how fair and above board the process really is! They should use the old day method of a public draw. Let anyone one attend and do it in the open. I would bet a smart computer geek could up someones chances if he had a mind to. Wonder what WDFW pays the private company to have the draw and awarding of the prize?
Post by: Huntnphish on August 17, 2011, 11:11:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 18, 2011, 06:21:38 AM
Post by: GoldTip on August 18, 2011, 06:27:24 AM
Post by: cjensen on August 18, 2011, 06:40:42 AM
Post by: huntindork on August 18, 2011, 10:12:38 AM
Post by: bobcat on August 18, 2011, 12:52:51 PM
Post by: cem3434 on August 18, 2011, 03:06:07 PM
I would rather they post the results then make the phone calls that way i wouldnt have to hear things third hand that im probably a loser. So if they made the phone calls why wouldnt they just post the results?:yeah:
Post by: cem3434 on August 18, 2011, 04:07:41 PM
:dunno: I'm still waiting for my phone call............
Has anyone gotten a call yet? With the number of members on here, I would have figured that at least one person would have drawn one of the raffle tickets. Knowing WDFW, they probably havent even conducted the drawing yet and they are telling people they have, just so people will stop calling everyday!
Post by: SniperDanWA on August 18, 2011, 05:59:28 PM
:dunno: I'm still waiting for my phone call............
Has anyone gotten a call yet? With the number of members on here, I would have figured that at least one person would have drawn one of the raffle tickets. Knowing WDFW, they probably havent even conducted the drawing yet and they are telling people they have, just so people will stop calling everyday!
No call, no mail, no news... Consistent response from WDFW.
Post by: wastickslinger on August 18, 2011, 07:46:09 PM
Post by: G.R.K on August 18, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on August 18, 2011, 07:59:12 PM
I recieved a Certified letter yesterday and got a phone call today. :) :chuckle:
and..............
Post by: Wea300mag on August 18, 2011, 07:59:42 PM
I recieved a Certified letter yesterday and got a phone call today. :) :chuckle:
Last time I received all that attention, I got a divorce. :chuckle:
Post by: G.R.K on August 18, 2011, 08:22:29 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 18, 2011, 08:24:37 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on August 18, 2011, 08:27:51 PM
Post by: NWWA Hunter on August 18, 2011, 08:32:34 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on August 18, 2011, 08:45:31 PM
Well, no phone call or mail from WDFW the last two days. Sad. Another donation to the state coffers. On a positive note, a friend who told me he thought I had too many hunts this year got the letter yesterday for the three deer raffle. He apologized for thinking that I had too much hunting as he's now got a lot to accomplish.
Congrats to your friend!!! I'm sure he will let you help pack some of these deer out.
Post by: Huntnphish on August 18, 2011, 11:08:29 PM
Post by: cjensen on August 22, 2011, 10:57:31 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 22, 2011, 11:17:04 AM
Post by: soccerguy on August 22, 2011, 01:58:49 PM
Post by: cjensen on August 22, 2011, 02:08:33 PM