Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 10, 2011, 09:25:58 PM
It is just them guys, not us we don't do that or hunt like that, but it is chipping away at all of us, if we could ever come together and join forces we would be a force that couldn't be manipulated and chipped away at a little at a time. till we end up falling or weakening and loosing our strength. it is in all of our best interest to come together, i know i am new to this Forum, it is a GREAT thing for us. and i think that if we all could get a few more loyal hunters (Friends) to join it could easily double in size with no effort at all from us.
What i am talking about here is being able to feed the game, (with the expedition on bear and turkey) and being able to give all the supplements we do there are 1000's man made salt/mineral licks that are renewed each year, out there that benefit all the big game and litterly 1000's of tons of hay each season spread all over the mountains that help a large # of animals make it through the winter after being run ragged in the beading season that wouldn't make it or be easier pray,
It also allows us to be very selective on what we harvest as well. I am new to the forum but i'm sure there would be some Great Leaders on here, I would be on board 100% in helping back them any way possible! as i am sure a lot of you would.Thanks for reading this Brian
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on August 11, 2011, 12:00:35 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/index.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/index.html)
There are 4 public meetings coming up later this month to get public opinion, to effect change we must fill seats and voice our concerns at these meeteings! They are:
Public Meetings:
Western Washington:
August 22 – Federal Way
Federal Way Community Center
876 South 333rd Street
Federal Way, WA
Meeting will take place in the Alder & Birch rooms
August 23 – Centralia
Edison Place Event Center
201 North Rock Street
Centralia, WA
Meeting will take place in the Edison Room
Eastern Washington:
August 24 – Spokane
The Lincoln Center
1316 North Lincoln Street
Spokane, WA
Meeting will be held in the Monroe Ballroom
August 25 – Yakima
Clarion Hotel & Conference Center
1507 North First Street
Yakima, WA
Meeting will be held in the Selah-Wapato meeting rooms.
Post by: jackelope on August 11, 2011, 12:11:31 PM
Post by: h20hunter on August 11, 2011, 12:30:56 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 11, 2011, 12:36:42 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 11, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
Join and add to our strength and success. The WDFW already knows who we are and that we're well represented.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 11, 2011, 02:56:44 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 11, 2011, 04:08:16 PM
And by the way, that 5x5 buck is freakin' amazing!And by the way thats a freakin' amazing! 4x4. :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 11, 2011, 04:13:34 PM
Post by: Snapshot on August 11, 2011, 07:31:40 PM
Is it about being able to feed them or being able to bait them?:yeah: ...is a good question. Whatup?
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 11, 2011, 09:29:45 PM
Post by: Camp David on August 12, 2011, 08:44:31 AM
Post by: h20hunter on August 12, 2011, 08:56:44 AM
Post by: jackelope on August 12, 2011, 10:55:18 AM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 12, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
Also...is ArcheryOutfitters a sponsor? Looking to promote something here? The pics look like advertising to me. Some sweet bucks for sure.Hello I am working on it with Dale now, as far as advertising goes? it is nothing personal but i take out very few Washington hunter,( only moose or special permit holder) just because i don't want to take a chance of hunter or there friends/family returning to my hunting areas i have lived her my whole life, and good privet areas hard to come by.
I am on here just having fun and sharing and getting some good information and advice from the members. If you feel i over step any boundaries please let me know. Thanks Brian
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 12, 2011, 04:24:09 PM
I guess it's how you look at it. I feed a lot of animals and kill very few I like to think I am making a difference here for them? especially on the really bad winters i know my areas the animals came out of it better than most and i continue to feed in till Feb. in some of the areas.Is it about being able to feed them or being able to bait them?:yeah: ...is a good question. Whatup?
So yes i think it would be a BAD thing to loose it?
Post by: jackelope on August 12, 2011, 04:26:26 PM
Just something I was wondering about. How many do you kill plus all your clients and whoever else hunts your bait piles every year?
Post by: Elkslayer on August 12, 2011, 05:55:24 PM
Also...is ArcheryOutfitters a sponsor? Looking to promote something here? The pics look like advertising to me. Some sweet bucks for sure.I guess everyone else on here that likes to share there trail cam pics needs to be a sponsor then huh? :dunno: Give the guy a break, at least he shares some of his pics. I dont see anything different from his pictures than anyone others on here. :twocents:
Post by: huntnnw on August 12, 2011, 10:33:24 PM
Hes referring to them taking the right away from "US" hunters to baiting/feeding deer... some dont do it..some do.. some are aginst it others dont care. We need to unite..just because it doesnt fit your way of hunting dont mean you should not or not unite on this issue..its a right we hunters could lose. Like stated above we lost hounds and bear baiting cause it didnt fit the way some hunters hunted. I bet everyone of us has a way of hunting that others dont see as "THEIR" way of hunting... we keep at this way we will eventually lose a hell of lot more :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 13, 2011, 08:52:04 AM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 13, 2011, 09:19:24 AM
How would your outfitting business suffer if you weren't allowed to feed deer? I have nothing against baiting deer, treestand hunting over bait, etc....I do wonder though, if you're so outspoken about it, if it's so you don't lose business because you can't bait.Hello, it would suffer some, I am sure, a lot of people travel to Canada for this kind of of a experiences . But like the ability to keep there funds at home and not have to deal with the hassle at the borders.
Just something I was wondering about. How many do you kill plus all your clients and whoever else hunts your bait piles every year?
It is a sensitive issue also because not only would it stop us the hunters from feeding the wild life it would stop all the non hunters over here from feeding the wild life that is a big reason our turkeys are doing so well and the deer made it through the 62 inches of snow we got a few years ago in 17 days. The little feed lots all over the N.E. Wa. saved our heard form total devastation.
So yes i feel very strongly about it, I have a friend that owns the feed feed store in Kettle falls and 50% of her feed sold is for wild life now, and i am sure all the other feed store are very similar
I care a great deal about our wild life here and not just for the harvesting. I live with them and i spend a great deal of time out there with them.Thanks Brian
The bottom line for me is we need to do what is best for the wild life and leave our disagreements at home, i was a active houndogger and bear baits for many years before we lost it. 2 very important management tools that can never be replaced, and are in great demand for that reason now. We have no way to control our bear or our cats.
Post by: Snapshot on August 13, 2011, 08:15:01 PM
Post by: buckfvr on August 14, 2011, 12:41:34 PM
Post by: sebek556 on August 14, 2011, 01:05:36 PM
Post by: Snapshot on August 14, 2011, 07:13:11 PM
I agree, feeding and baiting are two very seperate acts. So Dale, any incling as to what we may be needing to defend this time ??? ??
:jacked:
Yeah, there are three things on the radar for this season-setting package:
1. Reinstate our early archery elk season to regular dates instead of having it start on the Tuesday after Labor Day. If this isn't changed our 2014 season will run Sept 2-14, and we are right back to where we were prior to 2003; weather is too hot and there are too many recreationalists (hikers, berry-pickers, hunters) in the forests at the the same time. And if the pattern that has emerged since the first modern rut tags were issued in 2009 were to continue (first they were for Sept 23-29 or so, this year some are for Sept 19-30), there will be modern elk permits as early as Sept 15 in 2014. Then it is just a swipe of a pen that pigeon-holes us right back to a Sept 1-14 elk season and for what? So that some permit applications can be sold. In 2009 we were told that we took too many mature bulls after our seasons were moved to Sept 8-21; but since the floating start date has been in place that harvest data has remained unchanged. But WDFW in 2009 mixed five point bulls into the equations, contrary to their own Game Managements Plan's definition of a mature bull (4-1/2 years old, generally six points or better), to come up with the conclusion that we took too many mature bulls. Anyone who knows elk knows a 2-1/2 year old raghorn can be a five point under good growth and genetic conditions. And on the east side, where permits carefully control the bull harvest, the alleged disproportionate advantage archers had over modern firearms when it came to taking mature bulls did not exist. Only on the west side where thick timber is a disadvantage to the rifleman are the close-range bowhunters better at taking bulls. If the WDFW took those raghorn five point bulls out of the equation then there would not be any advantage. So we go the shaft in 2009 just so that some modern elk rut permits could be sold to generate some money. We must ask that our season dates of Sept 8-21 be reinstated, and if there is one modern permit holder in the woods at the same time, so what? There is already some overlap and there hasn't been any problems.
2. In 2009 we lost the last week of our early deer seasons statewide because of the aforementioned modern elk permits; one permit in each of only a handful of prime GMU's. And it was said that statistics showed few bowhunters used that time. But bowhunters did go deer hunting after elk season, and I heard from a bunch of them after that opportunity was taken away. The deer total harvest numbers haven't changed much as a result; but the amount of recreational opportunity changed significantly. We need to get back our last week of the early deer season. There are many GMU's where there aren't any elk permits in the last week of September so what harm would there be in letting us walk in the woods?
3. We have to have some compensation for any loss of late general mule deer opportunity in GMU 250 (Swakane) to give Chelan County residents a place to hunt that is close to their homes, and to prevent overcrowding in units that still have a late season. There are many units in Region 2 that have been closed to hunting for years and some of those should be opened if the Swakane gets taken away. It has been alleged that a powerful Region 2 biologist has proclaimed he/she wishes to eliminate late season bowhunting and make it permit only. As per the Game Management Plan there must be biological evidence to support taking away recreational hunting opportunity. If the goal of 25 bucks to 100 does isn't being achieved, then why not eliminate the antlerless harvest for everyone so more fawns get dropped? About one out of every two fawns will be a male and work toward the 25:100 ratio. I've read disparaging remarks about hunting the migrating animals as the snows drive them down from the higher elevations, but I've been on the high ridges of the Swakane in November and those animals are from helpless. I don't believe people making such accusations are familiar with the difficulty of getting within true bow range of a truly wild animal.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 14, 2011, 07:28:27 PM
Post by: Snapshot on August 14, 2011, 07:43:28 PM
the way i look at these issues is the same I look at any other hunting issue it may be for me or it may not. But each thing they take away is one thing closer to taking any something you or i do and believe is ethical. remember each piece of hunting they take wether you like it or not is closer to the greenie's end goal, stop hunting period. Every time they take something and we just fight amongest each other just makes it easier to take the next thing. Stop the baiting no baiting debate and stand up and say NO YOUR NOT TAKING MORE AWAY FROM THE SPORT! Because the next thing they take might be something you hold dear.
I respectfully suggest you get your fanatic-facts straight... "Greenies" aren't out to end hunting. That is the "bunny-huggers" goal. The "greenies" want to protect wild places from being ruined by carelessness. Guess what? As an outdoorsman so do I! Because wild animals won't survive without wild places and without wild animals my future grandkids won't know hunting. Because us and them have more in common than some of us care to admit those "greenies" could well end up being the hunters' best friends in the long run. Unless we drive them away with ugly practices.
To change the subject (and further jack the thread), want to do something to protect your privilege to hunt? Do some fact checking about an effort to expand the North Cascades National Park boundaries. And then write an opposition letter to each of your congresswomen to ask them to please not support any congressional action that would change the boundaries. National Parks designation would end hunting on hundreds of thousands of acres that we can currently hunt on. An alternative might be wilderness designation which is at least foot-hunter and horseback-hunter friendly and at the same time offers some protections that "greenies" appreciate, too.
Post by: huntnnw on August 15, 2011, 06:17:10 AM
Post by: buck man on August 15, 2011, 07:15:54 AM
I am an avid archer,but I could careless for the last week of archery deer IMHO..I dont like that they have taken days away and for nothing. The week I want back and is a big deal is the late archery whitetail season we lost that was a prime date for us..now we are chasing the tail end of the rut and post rut. The early dates to me are not as critical as the bucks are very hard to hunt in late sept and alot of archers dont chase them by then..most serious archers put in the time that first week.:yeah:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 15, 2011, 08:29:01 AM
When your greenie comrade doesn't need you anymore to help close off access to our "wild" places ,they will toss you aside and jump in bed with the bunny(wolf)hugger.
Case in point.......
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,81383.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,81383.0.html)
Or
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=385127436760&topic=14016&post=102406#topic_top (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=385127436760&topic=14016&post=102406#topic_top)
Post by: Snapshot on August 15, 2011, 08:33:16 AM
I am an avid archer,but I could careless for the last week of archery deer IMHO..I dont like that they have taken days away and for nothing. The week I want back and is a big deal is the late archery whitetail season we lost that was a prime date for us..now we are chasing the tail end of the rut and post rut. The early dates to me are not as critical as the bucks are very hard to hunt in late sept and alot of archers dont chase them by then..most serious archers put in the time that first week.
Then you have good cause to attend the meeting closest to you next week. Take along some friends.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/index.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/index.html)
I know a lot of archers (far more serious than some!) who hunted that last week of September and notched their tags then with regularity. Archery hunting is supposed to be hard.
Post by: Snapshot on August 15, 2011, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 15, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
......trailcams will certainly become less popular.
Kind of like that last week of September.....may not be important to you, but I bet it is to someone. I usually kill my critters in early Spetember so would rather they close it in November, so I can photograph without being harassed by a bunch of camo clad warriors. LOL
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 15, 2011, 09:01:19 AM
I have a conflict of interest on this issue. I do not support baiting or neccessarily feeding the wildlife, though the latter can be done correctly, it often is not. Hell, I think they got it backwards, baiting should be allowed for bear but NOT deer. :) HOWEVER, I know how it is to lose hunting priviledges because we didn't stick up for each other. As divided camps, we will lose one battle after another. I'm not sure how much I want to fight for this one but.......
......trailcams will certainly become less popular.
Kind of like that last week of September.....may not be important to you, but I bet it is to someone. I usually kill my critters in early Spetember so would rather they close it in November, so I can photograph without being harassed by a bunch of camo clad warriors. LOL
Agreed. I rarely have the opportunity to hunt the late season. If I had the choice, I would end baiting for deer and elk and bring it back for bears. But I will support anyone's right to engage in lawful hunting activities. These are small differences in preference and our perception of ethics. In the end, we should all be defending hunters who obey the letter of the law.
Post by: Snapshot on August 15, 2011, 09:07:00 AM
PARTICIPATION IN HUNTING AND OTHER OUTDOOR RECREATION
The most popular outdoor recreation activities of Washington residents in the past 2 years (of
the seven activities about which the survey asked) were hiking (57% did this), wildlife
the seven activities about which the survey asked) were hiking (57% did this), wildlife
viewing (49%), and camping (48%). A second tier or activities were boating (41%), fishing
(40%), and swimming in natural waters (38%).
GENERAL SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION TO HUNTING
The large majority of Washington residents (82%) approve of legal, regulated hunting, and
only 12% disapprove. Most approval is strong approval (51% strongly approve).
• Those who disapprove of hunting were asked why they disapprove. Most commonly
they give an animal rights answer and/or say that they are against killing animals. These
respondents who disapprove of hunting were then asked if there was anything that would
change their mind about disapproving of hunting. The large majority said that there is
nothing that would change their mind. Otherwise, a few would change their mind if theyknew that there were environmental reasons/wildlife had to be controlled. • Trend: Overall approval of hunting remained nearly the same from 2002 to 2008.
The full report is at:
http://www.conservationnw.org/library/otherpub/WA_Hunt_Public_Report.pdf/at_download/file (http://www.conservationnw.org/library/otherpub/WA_Hunt_Public_Report.pdf/at_download/file)
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on August 15, 2011, 09:29:33 AM
Post by: PolarBear on August 15, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
I have a conflict of interest on this issue. I do not support baiting or neccessarily feeding the wildlife, though the latter can be done correctly, it often is not. Hell, I think they got it backwards, baiting should be allowed for bear but NOT deer. :) HOWEVER, I know how it is to lose hunting priviledges because we didn't stick up for each other. As divided camps, we will lose one battle after another. I'm not sure how much I want to fight for this one but.......:yeah:
......trailcams will certainly become less popular.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 15, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
Conservation Northwest eh.... From another topic
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,81383.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,81383.0.html)
The one with the cute cuddly polar bear cub for an avatar. Looks like a wolf love fest over there between "washington wolves" and" "conservation nw"
I got into it with that moron on the WDFW Facebook page. She eventually stopped posting as she ran out of BS to say. Brainwashed morons...
Post by: boneaddict on August 15, 2011, 10:26:29 AM
Take bear baiting for instance. A very useful tool to sort out sows with cubs or boars etc. There is nothing easy about carrying on a successful bait. However, if you have ever come across a bad "bait" in the woods, its an aweful mess. or if you try to persuade an non hunting populace about wanting to not shoot a sow with cubs, their first thought is to SHUT IT DOWN.
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 15, 2011, 11:54:14 AM
I have a conflict of interest on this issue. I do not support baiting or neccessarily feeding the wildlife, though the latter can be done correctly, it often is not. Hell, I think they got it backwards, baiting should be allowed for bear but NOT deer. :) HOWEVER, I know how it is to lose hunting priviledges because we didn't stick up for each other. As divided camps, we will lose one battle after another. I'm not sure how much I want to fight for this one but.......I have a conflict of interest on this issue.
......trailcams will certainly become less popular.
Kind of like that last week of September.....may not be important to you, but I bet it is to someone. I usually kill my critters in early Spetember so would rather they close it in November, so I can photograph without being harassed by a bunch of camo clad warriors. LOL
Just a different point of view, i feel it is unethical to put a 6.5x20x50 scope on a 300 ultra mag. and shoot a deer at 500 yards when they are just laying there unaware of any one in there world, even though i did it for years. lets take away scopes because it is to easy to harvest them mule deer, elk, whitetail.(they'll never miss them)
i don't think any of our privileges, we have should be put at risk because we don't understand it, or practice it, we are all in this together (The outdoors) and to keep it for our kids and grand kids. From the falconry to the 300 ultra mag. I think their all great it gives us a well balance of choices in the out doors and a greater understanding of it.
Usely if we don't like some thing or don't agree with it, it is because we don't understand it, or haven't done it to appreciated what it takes to make it work.
Post by: MtnMuley on August 15, 2011, 12:07:19 PM
Post by: Elkslayer on August 15, 2011, 01:42:13 PM
Bait is for bears. :twocents:Unfortunately bait is not for bears anymore. I believe what Brian is saying is that it is time for all of us to join together and stand up for all user's rights, no matter if we use them or agree with them. The issue is not if you approve of baiting or not.
They have already taken our right to bait bears away because we all stood by and did nothing. Even a large majority of hunters that did not agree with bear baiting or the use of hounds helped to vote this out. Currently the right to bait or feed deer and elk whatever one you choose to call it, is being targeted. They will not stop at anything. What will they go after next? To some baiting is seen as an unfair advantage to the animals, so is using a large magnified scope on your rifle, even predator hunters are targeted with the use of electronic calls or decoys the list can go on and on.
Enough is enough, and the bickering and bitching about what is ethical or is not ethical needs to stop. As long as it is legal then support it. Doesn't mean you have to go out and do it. If the way you currently hunt is not an issue you still need to stand up for others, if you dont that just puts them that much closer to the way you hunt!
Post by: h20hunter on August 15, 2011, 01:49:14 PM
Of course I kid but my point is that the statement kind of sums up why we don't support others that hunt differnetly (legally different).
I think you make a good point, well said.
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 15, 2011, 02:05:25 PM
Sorry Elkslayer, I must disagree. You see, my way is the RIGHT and ONLY way to hunt.
Of course I kid but my point is that the statement kind of sums up why we don't support others that hunt differnetly (legally different).
I think you make a good point, well said. We are or should be in this together.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 15, 2011, 07:49:19 PM
12% is anti hunting, whereas a large majority are on the fence as don't hunt, but don't care. EASILY swayed by bambi pics and the like, a single video of dogs ripping apart a bear cub. We describe these folks as on the fence. The ones that are easily convinced one way or the other.
Take bear baiting for instance. A very useful tool to sort out sows with cubs or boars etc. There is nothing easy about carrying on a successful bait. However, if you have ever come across a bad "bait" in the woods, its an aweful mess. or if you try to persuade an non hunting populace about wanting to not shoot a sow with cubs, their first thought is to SHUT IT DOWN.
Very true,and while we fight amongst ourselves, the road hunters, the ATV bunch, 4x4 drivers and snowmobilers We all get screwed by this bunch.
where have I read this before?
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups and quit losing opportunity.
Here is a little something from conservation northwest regarding their insistance there must be at least 15 breeding pairs of wolves in Washington.
Conservation Northwest
The commission *itself* did not say that only WA residents could comment. If they had stipulated that, the online action center would reflect that. Wildlife decisions affect many people--visiting hunters, wildlife enthusiasts who would trav...el to see wolves, people in bordering states, etc. If the commission is willing to accept public comment from everyone, then we will encourage people who have an interest to comment. People who disagree in other states may also comment!
Post by: huntnnw on August 15, 2011, 10:41:28 PM
I am an avid archer,but I could careless for the last week of archery deer IMHO..I dont like that they have taken days away and for nothing. The week I want back and is a big deal is the late archery whitetail season we lost that was a prime date for us..now we are chasing the tail end of the rut and post rut. The early dates to me are not as critical as the bucks are very hard to hunt in late sept and alot of archers dont chase them by then..most serious archers put in the time that first week.
Then you have good cause to attend the meeting closest to you next week. Take along some friends.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/index.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/index.html)
I know a lot of archers (far more serious than some!) who hunted that last week of September and notched their tags then with regularity. Archery hunting is supposed to be hard.
Id be interested on how many of those bucks were 5+? shooting 1-3 yr olds isnt hard then.Ive watched alot of mature whiteys over the last 20 years to know that first few days of Sept are prime for taking a mature buck..everyday after that it gets harder and harder... there a reason October is known as the "lull" bucks (mature) are hard to get if not impossible then.
I am trying to wttend that meeting in Spokane
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 16, 2011, 08:15:24 AM
I am an avid archer,but I could careless for the last week of archery deer IMHO..I dont like that they have taken days away and for nothing. The week I want back and is a big deal is the late archery whitetail season we lost that was a prime date for us..now we are chasing the tail end of the rut and post rut. The early dates to me are not as critical as the bucks are very hard to hunt in late sept and alot of archers dont chase them by then..most serious archers put in the time that first week.
Then you have good cause to attend the meeting closest to you next week. Take along some friends.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/index.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/index.html)
I know a lot of archers (far more serious than some!) who hunted that last week of September and notched their tags then with regularity. Archery hunting is supposed to be hard.
Id be interested on how many of those bucks were 5+? shooting 1-3 yr olds isnt hard then.Ive watched alot of mature whiteys over the last 20 years to know that first few days of Sept are prime for taking a mature buck..everyday after that it gets harder and harder... there a reason October is known as the "lull" bucks (mature) are hard to get if not impossible then.
I am trying to wttend that meeting in Spokane
Thanks for the information i will try to make it as well and pass the word along. Brian
Post by: Snapshot on August 16, 2011, 02:01:47 PM
12% is anti hunting, whereas a large majority are on the fence as don't hunt, but don't care. EASILY swayed by bambi pics and the like, a single video of dogs ripping apart a bear cub. We describe these folks as on the fence. The ones that are easily convinced one way or the other.:yeah: The 'straw that broke the camels back' in the trapping initiative was showing on TV about four days before the election a house kitty in an illegal steel, toothed, leg-hold trap. The anti-hunters won that initiative by less than 5%.
Take bear baiting for instance. A very useful tool to sort out sows with cubs or boars etc. There is nothing easy about carrying on a successful bait. However, if you have ever come across a bad "bait" in the woods, its an aweful mess. or if you try to persuade an non hunting populace about wanting to not shoot a sow with cubs, their first thought is to SHUT IT DOWN.
Distasteful videos & photographs are among the anti-hunters' best weapons against those of us who hunt, trap or fish...
Post by: jackmaster on August 16, 2011, 02:17:30 PM
well said , you hit that right on the melon, even as hardcore huntn fool like so many others i dont like to see animals in traps or bad pictures of animals taken because of the way it makes us look. i am sure alot of you remember that bow huntn that happened up north on those elk that they put on the news, especially that one elk that was laying within spitn distance of the road why that guy was putn arrows in the poor thing. that made us all look like real fricken idiots12% is anti hunting, whereas a large majority are on the fence as don't hunt, but don't care. EASILY swayed by bambi pics and the like, a single video of dogs ripping apart a bear cub. We describe these folks as on the fence. The ones that are easily convinced one way or the other.:yeah: The 'straw that broke the camels back' in the trapping initiative was showing on TV about four days before the election a house kitty in an illegal steel, toothed, leg-hold trap. The anti-hunters won that initiative by less than 5%.
Take bear baiting for instance. A very useful tool to sort out sows with cubs or boars etc. There is nothing easy about carrying on a successful bait. However, if you have ever come across a bad "bait" in the woods, its an aweful mess. or if you try to persuade an non hunting populace about wanting to not shoot a sow with cubs, their first thought is to SHUT IT DOWN.
Distasteful videos & photographs are among the anti-hunters' best weapons against those of us who hunt, trap or fish...
Post by: Snapshot on August 16, 2011, 04:25:40 PM
That it did; we looked like horses' butts. And it was perfectly legal what the TV cameras captured! But being legal didn't make it look right.well said , you hit that right on the melon, even as hardcore huntn fool like so many others i dont like to see animals in traps or bad pictures of animals taken because of the way it makes us look. i am sure alot of you remember that bow huntn that happened up north on those elk that they put on the news, especially that one elk that was laying within spitn distance of the road why that guy was putn arrows in the poor thing. that made us all look like real fricken idiots12% is anti hunting, whereas a large majority are on the fence as don't hunt, but don't care. EASILY swayed by bambi pics and the like, a single video of dogs ripping apart a bear cub. We describe these folks as on the fence. The ones that are easily convinced one way or the other.:yeah: The 'straw that broke the camels back' in the trapping initiative was showing on TV about four days before the election a house kitty in an illegal steel, toothed, leg-hold trap. The anti-hunters won that initiative by less than 5%.
Take bear baiting for instance. A very useful tool to sort out sows with cubs or boars etc. There is nothing easy about carrying on a successful bait. However, if you have ever come across a bad "bait" in the woods, its an aweful mess. or if you try to persuade an non hunting populace about wanting to not shoot a sow with cubs, their first thought is to SHUT IT DOWN.
Distasteful videos & photographs are among the anti-hunters' best weapons against those of us who hunt, trap or fish...
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on August 16, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
Here is another one that gets me as well. In my opinion the cats or bears kill more of our game now, and will through out our lives, than the wolf will. But the wolf gets far more of our energy now?
I am 100% against them being here, even in small #s our fore fathers worked far to hard to allow them back at all. we will never be able to control them even if they were treated like a coyote. and was shoot on site or kill any way possible, i don't feel we have the rite to undo what they did. I know a little side tracked:-)
Post by: Snapshot on August 17, 2011, 10:49:41 AM
To change the subject (and further jack the thread), want to do something to protect your privilege to hunt? Do some fact checking about an effort to expand the North Cascades National Park boundaries. And then write an opposition letter to each of your congresswomen to ask them to please not support any congressional action that would change the boundaries. National Parks designation would end hunting on hundreds of thousands of acres that we can currently hunt on. An alternative might be wilderness designation which is at least foot-hunter and horseback-hunter friendly and at the same time offers some protections that "greenies" appreciate, too.
[I did the homework for you.] Here is a link to the American Alps report that outlines how increasing the size of North Cascades National Park will shrink the national forest where we can currently hunt. Thousands of acres would be lost to hunting! If you can't write a letter, then call your Senators! Murray: (202) 224-2621. Cantwell: (202) 224-3441.
http://www.northcascades.org/American%20Alps%20Biodiversity%20Report%20Final%20Draft.pdf (http://www.northcascades.org/American%20Alps%20Biodiversity%20Report%20Final%20Draft.pdf)
[It is a pdf file so you can type the word 'hunting' in the FIND box at the top and then click the "FIND NEXT" arrow over and over to get the specific parts that will raise your blood pressure.]
Post by: buglebrush on August 17, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 17, 2011, 04:25:55 PM
hey let me clue you in on something ... about the hunt up north .... You guys do not have a freaken clue about the issue... want to blame someone blame the dept for making such a poor ass decision by making a season last four freakin months , so the whole world can go out and buy a bow and a tag to go and hunt in a farmers field .... I have hunted this unit for many years and there was never a problem until they made the season so freakin long ,,,,when bow hunting was just the month of october they never had a problem ,,, and I am still pi$$ed the dept.. ruined my huntin area ... first the muzzleloader guys messed it up so they decided to use the bow hunter and now he is the idiot... this still gets me going ...and I am not saying they did right by any means but its not just there fault .....when you gets guys in the field with a bow who think they are bowhunters because they shoot a bow is usually a disaster ....shooting at animals at 70 to 100 yrds is just BS I do not care how good you think you are!!! Period .... >:(That it did; we looked like horses' butts. And it was perfectly legal what the TV cameras captured! But being legal didn't make it look right.well said , you hit that right on the melon, even as hardcore huntn fool like so many others i dont like to see animals in traps or bad pictures of animals taken because of the way it makes us look. i am sure alot of you remember that bow huntn that happened up north on those elk that they put on the news, especially that one elk that was laying within spitn distance of the road why that guy was putn arrows in the poor thing. that made us all look like real fricken idiots12% is anti hunting, whereas a large majority are on the fence as don't hunt, but don't care. EASILY swayed by bambi pics and the like, a single video of dogs ripping apart a bear cub. We describe these folks as on the fence. The ones that are easily convinced one way or the other.:yeah: The 'straw that broke the camels back' in the trapping initiative was showing on TV about four days before the election a house kitty in an illegal steel, toothed, leg-hold trap. The anti-hunters won that initiative by less than 5%.
Take bear baiting for instance. A very useful tool to sort out sows with cubs or boars etc. There is nothing easy about carrying on a successful bait. However, if you have ever come across a bad "bait" in the woods, its an aweful mess. or if you try to persuade an non hunting populace about wanting to not shoot a sow with cubs, their first thought is to SHUT IT DOWN.
Distasteful videos & photographs are among the anti-hunters' best weapons against those of us who hunt, trap or fish...
Post by: Snapshot on August 17, 2011, 05:37:56 PM
Post by: sebek556 on August 17, 2011, 05:41:21 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 17, 2011, 06:39:05 PM