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Title: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: rtspring on August 16, 2011, 12:44:23 PM
2005 4.6 F-150    My dad was bringing it to San Diego when the motor let go. Turns out the #7 plug melted down into the cylinder and caused major damage to the cylinder.  Bad part is I bought the truck used with 5000 miles on it.
my 5 year warranty ran out a month before the blow up.. 7000.00 bucks later my truck is up and running with a completely new engine.........


guess it was my turn, still pisses me off that Ford wont pay for the new motor......
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: jackelope on August 16, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
Did you call the manufacturer or just go off what the dealer said when you say Ford wouldn't pay for it?

I coulda got Dodge to pay for it easy if it were a Dodge.
Not a Ford/Dodge debate, just wondering. The Chrysler Customer Assistance people are a bunch of lay-downs. Were they factory plugs?
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: rtspring on August 16, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
yep, factory plugs.

Any idea on who I need to contact about them paying for the motor?
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: h20hunter on August 16, 2011, 12:55:39 PM
Probably to late now that it is done.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: jackelope on August 16, 2011, 12:55:52 PM
Making a call for you right now...stand by. I'll get you a number.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: jackelope on August 16, 2011, 12:57:14 PM
Did the motor get replaced at a dealer?
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: rtspring on August 16, 2011, 12:59:01 PM
yes, Ford dealer in California
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: jackelope on August 16, 2011, 01:04:59 PM
Ford Customer Service 1-800-392-3673
They might say no, but they might say yes too. It's worth a chance for $7k. The worst they can say is no.
It's tough when it's after the fact though. Always best to  call ahead of time.
Manufacturers are all about keeping customers happy and brand loyal right now. Chrysler is bending over backwards for people all the time. I just did a warranty heater box repair on a 2004 Grand Cherokee with 95k miles on it. It would have cost the guy $1200 or so, Chrysler covered it with $100 out of pocket to the customer for example.

Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 16, 2011, 01:11:01 PM
Sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: FC on August 16, 2011, 03:20:16 PM
I would be wanting to know why it burned a plug, not even Fords do that for no reason! Was it driven with an engine miss for a while before this happened? If you had a lean running problem (most likely) then you may still have it! I would expect that your new motor is wearing all of it's old fuel/egr system but if not then you should be good to go.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: rtspring on August 16, 2011, 03:31:20 PM
FC,

I was told it melted the spark plug, then it got down in the cylinder eventually destroying the cylinder walls. My truck has always been taken care of.  never had an issue before this. only thing i know is my dad was driving it, and the o2 sensor light came on. Had it towed to the Ford Dealership and they told me about the plug. I am being told everything is new with the new motor deal, might have to check when i go pick up the truck.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: jackelope on August 16, 2011, 03:41:05 PM
I'd be amazed if everything was new...everything being injectors, EGR, etc. I'd assume that stuff got swapped over from the old engine.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: FC on August 16, 2011, 03:42:09 PM
As long as they didn't scavenge any fuel or egr system parts from the old motor I wouldn't worry about it. I would be interested to see if Ford will pay for this though, emission system components should have a 100k warranty on them and if they are not only not making it but are causing catastrophic engine failure at just over the half way mark they will be in even deeper than usual doodoo for the next few years.

@jackelope, I would too.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: rtspring on August 16, 2011, 03:47:47 PM
I will let you guys both know when I get the truck back
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: jackelope on August 16, 2011, 03:47:57 PM
As long as they didn't scavenge any fuel or egr system parts from the old motor I wouldn't worry about it. I would be interested to see if Ford will pay for this though, emission system components should have a 100k warranty on them and if they are not only not making it but are causing catastrophic engine failure at just over the half way mark they will be in even deeper than usual doodoo for the next few years.

@jackelope, I would too.

Emissions warranty will cover PCM and Cat Convertor. Thats it unless it's a diesel.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: Buckmark on August 16, 2011, 03:54:03 PM
FC,

I was told it melted the spark plug, then it got down in the cylinder eventually destroying the cylinder walls. My truck has always been taken care of.  never had an issue before this. only thing i know is my dad was driving it, and the o2 sensor light came on. Had it towed to the Ford Dealership and they told me about the plug. I am being told everything is new with the new motor deal, might have to check when i go pick up the truck.
There is no "o2 sensor light", there is a Malfuntion indicator lamp, also called the check engine light, which can illuminate for alot of reasons (yes a faulty 0'2 sensor will turn on this light) but it is not likely the cause of the engine failure if any of the 0'2 sensors failed (there are 4 on that vehicle), sounds like the manufacture should possibly step up and cover this or a portion of it as long as all suggested maintinance has been performend up to the point of failure and the vehicle was not operated with the MIL on for a period of time that what was flagged could have casued this damage (ie: cylinder misfire).
As far s the replacment engine being all new, engine is but your intake, fuel injectors, accessories and emissions equipment would have all been transferd to the replacment unit.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: sebek556 on August 16, 2011, 04:01:28 PM
I am leaning toward dealership problem, my wifes cam senor went out at 35000 on her edge, took it to the dealership and they at first tryed to hand me a bill for 4 grand, I said hell no check the warrenty they called ford and sure enough everything was covered plus ford made them do my next service on the car for free. on my 01 lightning if it overboosted the super charger i would explode spark plugs, it is the same block as the 4.6 but the big differnce is i was running 20lbs of boost through the supercharger.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: jackelope on August 16, 2011, 04:05:24 PM
I am leaning toward dealership problem, my wifes cam senor went out at 35000 on her edge, took it to the dealership and they at first tryed to hand me a bill for 4 grand, I said hell no check the warrenty they called ford and sure enough everything was covered plus ford made them do my next service on the car for free. on my 01 lightning if it overboosted the super charger i would explode spark plugs, it is the same block as the 4.6 but the big differnce is i was running 20lbs of boost through the supercharger.
The dealership does not have to call Ford to find out if a vehicle is under warranty or to verify coverage. Someone was blowing smoke. A cam sensor shows $92.09 for the part on Alldata and .5 labor to replace both of them. What was $4k for?

Part OEM Part Price
Camshaft Position Sensor
   Camshaft Position Sensor AT4Z6B288A $92.09
 
 
Labor Skill
Level Mfg.
Warranty Standard
Camshaft Position Sensor
   Replace
      Right Side B 0.2 0.4
      Left Side B 0.3 0.3
      Both Sides B 0.4 0.5
 





Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: Buckmark on August 16, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
Jackelope knock that off, i need to make a living.... :chuckle:
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: whacker1 on August 16, 2011, 04:22:28 PM
I have an older 4.6, and it seems like the lifespan of the 100,000 double platinum spark plugs is in that 50,000 - 70,000 miles.  But if one plug goes down they usually start running bad enough that it can't be mistaken for needing service work now.  It is odd that it melted down.  Mine usually just quit firing.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: jackelope on August 16, 2011, 04:31:11 PM
Jackelope knock that off, i need to make a living.... :chuckle:

I was just in awe about the $4500 cam sensor. Sorry, never again.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: Buckmark on August 16, 2011, 04:34:36 PM
Jackelope knock that off, i need to make a living.... :chuckle:

I was just in awe about the $4500 cam sensor. Sorry, never again.
Alldata is just suggested retail, price may vary by location, check with your dealer for current pricing... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: sebek556 on August 16, 2011, 04:38:44 PM
sorry dealers unless it is covered by warrentie or a computer problem I do it my self  :tup:
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 16, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Since he had problems with his 4.6, so did I this weekend. 2010 F150 4.6 Overheating pulling my trailer on easy hills. LEMON, had nothing but trouble with this truck. Looking to trade in on Thursday.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: rtspring on August 26, 2011, 09:50:54 AM
Update,    spark plug melted into number 7 cylinder       I now have a new motor,    might get my money back if they do a recall.   Not a happy man.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: FC on August 26, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
Did they give you any more info than that? Melting a spark plug in a stock street motor is unheard of! Top fuel dragsters do it all the time if that gives you an idea of a "normal" circumstance for that to happen. I would think that motor would have been pinging like a bitch before it managed to melt a plug. Good luck on getting your dough back.

If you plan on keeping the truck you might think about putting a pyrometer (exhaust gas temp) guage in.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: xxlx7 on August 26, 2011, 10:35:33 AM
I just read this topic, and to me if fords have the same warranty as toyotas its a 5 year, 60k powertrain warranty. I know with my store, if someone is just outside of their warranty like you were and had something like that happen, we would call our DSM, which is district service manager, whom works for toyota, and talk to them about it, and depending on the circumstances, he would make the call if they would "extend" your warranty to keep coverage. Now to go with that, they do look at if you bring your vehicle in for servicing to the dealership or not, if not it does make it harder because they don't know if your maintanance was done, and verifiable.
Title: Re: My truck motor blew up at 65000
Post by: twistiron on August 26, 2011, 10:51:10 AM
lot of good advice on here! i would deff be talking to the dealer and multiple ones if possible something sounds fishy  :dunno:. i know a few chevy dealers who will take your trade! good luck man let us know how it works out. i dont know if its an option but look in what they will give you on trade! 7g's is a lot of money, who else misses the days of $800. crate motors, some buddies and  a 6 pac later your truck was running agian!  :IBCOOL: good luck bro.
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