Post by: Fullabull on August 18, 2011, 08:17:16 AM
Anyway, the link to the survey is: http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/)
This was the only question that will really spark some response!
Issue Title: No Longer Require Elk Special Permit Applications to be Consistent with the Geographical Designation on a Hunter's Elk Transport Tag (East/West)
The current rule requires elk hunters to select eastern Washington or western Washington when buying an elk tag. The eastside/westside system has been in place since 2000 and is a simplification of the old five elk tag area system. Both were implemented to address hunter crowding issues.
The eastside/westside system restricts where elk hunters can hunt during the general season. It also restricts which special permits they can apply for. Hunters have expressed the desire to apply for special permits statewide.
We continue to receive requests for rule changes from those hunters that want to apply for special permits in a different part of the state than they have designated when selecting their elk tag.
If this change were implemented there is a reasonable likelihood that there will be some hunter crowding issues in western Washington and it will be more difficult to draw a quality elk tag in some of the eastern Washington units because applicant numbers will increase.
Which one of the following options do you prefer for the issue of no longer requiring elk special permit applications to be consistent with the geographical designation on a hunter's elk transport tag (east/west)?
1. No Change: Leave thinks as is.
2. Retain east/west elk tags, but allow statewide special permit applications.
3. Allow hunters with eastern or western elk tags to apply for the Quality category of special permits.
4. Allow hunters with eastern or western elk tags to apply for the Antlerless and Bull Elk categories.
5. Other (please specify):
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 18, 2011, 08:38:34 AM
Is there anyone here that doesn't believe that DFW wants this on their own for the added $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the DOUBLED quality and other app fees?
Voted no change. They only fix what isn't broken.
Post by: jackelope on August 18, 2011, 08:42:10 AM
Post by: Fullabull on August 18, 2011, 09:07:51 AM
I hunt the west because I do not want to hunt just spikes, my choice, I have to live with it. I would love to get an eastern quality hunt (that is why I put in for the multi season permit) but that doesn't mean I should have my cake and eat it too! I vote no change...
Fulla
Post by: bowhuntersd on August 18, 2011, 10:38:13 AM
I choose #1...... If it aint broken don't try to fix it. :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 18, 2011, 10:59:39 AM
I also made the comment to only allow one permit catergory per species. If a hunter applies for quality they can't apply for antlerless or Bull. This would increase odds. I also think that if you draw and accept a permit that should he the only area/time your tag is valid... like Idaho controlled hunts.
Post by: et1702 on August 18, 2011, 11:03:45 AM
Post by: GoldTip on August 18, 2011, 11:08:36 AM
Post by: runamuk on August 18, 2011, 11:17:23 AM
Quote
1. No Change: Retain east/west elk tags, but allow statewide special permit applications.
are you all saying number 1 seeing the full statement? :dunno:
personally I would only put in for permits if I didnt have to choose a side ahead of time ...and actually since I usually cant afford to buy my tags until last minute the chances of me applying for jack are about zilch....so my input is kinda useless
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 18, 2011, 11:28:03 AM
Agree GoldTip!!
No change? Allow Statewide?
I think this is a change and yet they did not list the present situation as a true No Change.
:dunno:
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 18, 2011, 11:33:42 AM
The OP's options were not posted correctly.
Which one of the following options do you prefer for the issue of no longer requiring elk special permit applications to be consistent with the geographical designation on a hunter's elk transport tag (east/west)?
No Change
Retain east/west elk tags, but allow statewide special permit applications.
Allow hunters with eastern or western elk tags to apply for the Quality category of special permits.
Allow hunters with eastern or western elk tags to apply for the Antlerless and Bull Elk categories.
Other (please specify):
Post by: brianmtsinc on August 18, 2011, 11:45:47 AM
Post by: Fullabull on August 18, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
I forgot to hit return on the first one when I pasted it in..
there are four options..first being No Change at all...!
Post by: hoytem on August 18, 2011, 11:58:15 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 18, 2011, 12:04:00 PM
Sorry about that everyone.... :sry:
I forgot to hit return on the first one when I pasted it in..
there are four options..first being No Change at all...!
I figured that once I saw it after I pasted it too.
It's all good!!! :)
Post by: jackmaster on August 18, 2011, 12:09:21 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 18, 2011, 12:10:56 PM
I would definitely like to be able to apply for special permits anywhere in the stae and declare east or west after the drawingyou do realize that will completely kill the odds for the popular tags way worse than they already are? West side will become even more crowded.
Post by: runamuk on August 18, 2011, 12:15:09 PM
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on August 18, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
Post by: firedog on August 18, 2011, 05:23:46 PM
Post by: rasbo on August 18, 2011, 05:28:16 PM
Post by: hoytem on August 19, 2011, 12:49:29 AM
I would definitely like to be able to apply for special permits anywhere in the stae and declare east or west after the drawingyou do realize that will completely kill the odds for the popular tags way worse than they already are? West side will become even more crowded.
not if they also change the spike only restrictions for the east side. either way you look at it the 3pt min. and spike only restrictions are for the same purpose. you're either shooting bulls younger or older. bulls are bulls! the only difference is the state rakes in app. $$$$
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 19, 2011, 09:14:30 AM
Post by: halflife65 on August 19, 2011, 09:23:38 AM
I'm completely willing to pay the penalty of hunting spikes if I don't draw a tag but not everyone is willing to do that or they live on the westside and want to hunt close to home. I completely get that but it really screws the hunters that are willing to take the gamble on the eastside big bull tags and reduces the chances of draw for everyone that puts in for the premium units.
I responded with "no change."
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 19, 2011, 09:32:58 AM
I would definitely like to be able to apply for special permits anywhere in the stae and declare east or west after the drawingyou do realize that will completely kill the odds for the popular tags way worse than they already are? West side will become even more crowded.
not if they also change the spike only restrictions for the east side. either way you look at it the 3pt min. and spike only restrictions are for the same purpose. you're either shooting bulls younger or older. bulls are bulls! the only difference is the state rakes in app. $$$$
i dont remember seeing the elimination of the spike only reg as an option.
Post by: hoytem on August 19, 2011, 09:34:13 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 19, 2011, 09:36:34 AM
Post by: foambeetle on August 19, 2011, 11:05:18 AM
Post by: HUNT on August 19, 2011, 11:25:07 AM
Post by: B.G.hunter on August 19, 2011, 02:21:57 PM
Post by: Skillet on August 19, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
I would definitely like to be able to apply for special permits anywhere in the stae and declare east or west after the drawingyou do realize that will completely kill the odds for the popular tags way worse than they already are? West side will become even more crowded.
not if they also change the spike only restrictions for the east side. either way you look at it the 3pt min. and spike only restrictions are for the same purpose. you're either shooting bulls younger or older. bulls are bulls! the only difference is the state rakes in app. $$$$
If you lifted the spike restriction and went 3pt+ on east side, why would anybody put in for tags? :dunno:
I voted no change. But I can see them doing it as a revenue grab. If that happens, I've bought my last Washington State elk tag.
Post by: raghorn69 on August 19, 2011, 03:05:04 PM
NO CHANGE