Post by: addicted on August 23, 2011, 08:47:57 AM
So lets see some Pictures of your hounds and beagles. In the pen or with their nose up a tree doesnt matter to me. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on August 23, 2011, 11:26:33 AM
I miss both of these dogs. :(
Post by: jackmaster on August 23, 2011, 12:06:12 PM
Post by: time2hunt on August 23, 2011, 05:11:21 PM
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 23, 2011, 05:31:40 PM
Here's a picture of some of my past dogs treed on a lion they struck while rigging for bear during bear season in the early 90's, it was a mild strike and a short popup race. Before we headed in to the tree I had figured it might be a lion, this was prior to the hound ban in 96. At the top is a young male lion that we left in the tree unharmed, next down is Rufus, he was the first great hound that I owned, he caught bear, coon, lion, and bobcat and is 11 years old in this photo and he was still going strong, and the lower dog is Jigs, he was another outstanding dog on all types of game.
I miss both of these dogs. :(
[/quote thats awesome ... very good looking dogs BearPaw !!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 23, 2011, 05:33:40 PM
Slo Mo and Boulder ready to go again :chuckle:seems hounds always chew up sheet when they are Pi$$ed at something in the tree...
Post by: Stilly bay on August 23, 2011, 06:32:44 PM
going after cougar, bear or even bobcats with hounds has been on the top of my bucket list since I was a kid. I even worked all spring and summer for my folks just to get their permission to get a good hound... and then later that year washington state made it illegal to use hounds for bears and cougars. I was totally devastated to say the least!
Post by: bearpaw on August 23, 2011, 07:36:06 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 23, 2011, 07:50:29 PM
This was 1991 if I remember correctly, this was my wife's first cougar tag that she drew. I might have posted this picture before but don't think I told the story. After I got all our hunters filled out for the season we started hunting for my wife's cat. We found tracks pretty much every day but waited for a good one. Finally in one of my favorite areas a nice tom crossed, we turned the dogs out on his tracks at daylight, the dogs followed the cat's cold tracks all over the area, the cat had made tracks during the night circling deer in the area and attempting to ambush the confused deer. Finally in the afternoon the dogs caught up to the cat near the top of a nearby mountain and they treed him after a short quick sprint from where the cat had been bedded throughout the day. One of my friends and I made it to the tree first, just before my wife and another friend got to the tree the cat jumped and ran halfway down the mountain, she saw the cat run right past her with the dogs in hot pursuit right behind the cat, then they treed him again lower on the mountain. This time he stayed in the tree and the best part was the second tree was a lot closer to the truck. Her tom weighed about 155 pounds, skinned out to almost 9 feet, and scored 14 8/16. He wasn't huge, but he was just big enough to qualify for the 3 year B&C awards book. For a few of you who have been in our house, this is the snarling cat on the big rock.Sweeeet... I love just lookin at a nice cat ......I need to get mine mounted so I can look at it !!
Post by: addicted on August 23, 2011, 08:41:31 PM
Here's a picture of some of my past dogs treed on a lion they struck while rigging for bear during bear season in the early 90's, it was a mild strike and a short popup race. Before we headed in to the tree I had figured it might be a lion, this was prior to the hound ban in 96. At the top is a young male lion that we left in the tree unharmed, next down is Rufus, he was the first great hound that I owned, he caught bear, coon, lion, and bobcat and is 11 years old in this photo and he was still going strong, and the lower dog is Jigs, he was another outstanding dog on all types of game.
I miss both of these dogs. :(
I love how uppedy the dogs are in the chase and tree pictures.
I would kill to go hound hunting.
Post by: beagledog on August 23, 2011, 08:46:16 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 23, 2011, 08:51:43 PM
Post by: beagledog on August 23, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
If the dogs treed the cat what the hell treed them dogs :yike:
Post by: bearpaw on August 23, 2011, 09:15:30 PM
One dog got worse the older she got, found her 25 to 30 feet up trees in Utah before, always figured a fall would kill her, but Beauty finally died of old age (15) here at my place in Washington.
Right now all my dogs are land based dogs.... :chuckle:
Post by: butcher98951 on August 23, 2011, 09:18:26 PM
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Post by: beagledog on August 23, 2011, 09:23:58 PM
You can shoot me a Pm if you dont want to lett all the good spots out of the bag :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on August 23, 2011, 10:26:13 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 23, 2011, 10:34:12 PM
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 01:05:09 PM
Post by: beagledog on August 24, 2011, 03:54:40 PM
Should be fun to see what she can do
when you planning on heading down
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 24, 2011, 04:00:51 PM
Post by: butcher98951 on August 24, 2011, 04:03:20 PM
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 04:08:24 PM
good looking pup donaye37I head back over to cheney for school septeber 5 or 6 hopefully. Thanks yeah she has great markings and shes froom a good breeder so I hope she turns out well
Should be fun to see what she can do
when you planning on heading down
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
yeah she is looking good ...a couple more months and your in :tup:Yeah shes still learning obedience and Is still super curious i mean shes sometimes more curious on following the trail of the rabbit then just chasing it when its right in front of her. And the whole off leash when hunting may take sometime, but I know she will learn alot from running with other hounds.
Post by: houndrunner on August 24, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
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Post by: mulehunter on August 24, 2011, 04:40:14 PM
Mulehunter
Post by: Swannytheswan on August 24, 2011, 05:16:46 PM
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 05:33:53 PM
One of our walker hounds doing what comes natural....What are all those collars that you use? Let me guess...gps, and an e collar, thats all I can think of?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 24, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
here are some more from this last winterYeah thats what I am talking about ... awesome pictures :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2011, 05:47:55 PM
One of our walker hounds doing what comes natural....What are all those collars that you use? Let me guess...gps, and an e collar, thats all I can think of?
In that photo the dog is wearing a regular dog collar, tracking collar, and a tri-tronics training collar. We commonly run both a tracking and a training collar as insurance for better control of the situation. Since that photo was taken we have started putting a tracking or gps on the same collar as the training collar so that the dog is wearing one less collar.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 24, 2011, 05:50:56 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on August 24, 2011, 05:58:06 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2011, 06:16:01 PM
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 07:22:20 PM
with the tri tronics you use it so the dog will come back when your done hunting, or is it used to coax them on a trail or both or neither haha?One of our walker hounds doing what comes natural....What are all those collars that you use? Let me guess...gps, and an e collar, thats all I can think of?
IN that photo the dog is wearing a regular dog collar, tracking collar, and a tri-tronics training collar. We commonly run both a tracking and a training collar as insurance for better control of the situation. Since that photo was taken we have started putting a tracking or gps on the same collar as the training collar so that the dog is wearing one less collar.
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 07:27:59 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
Hounds can be a little more gamie than preferred at times, especially young dogs. With the tri tronics on them all the time you always have control should any dog get on any type of game they should not be after. I can remember chasing trashing hounds down on foot back in the late 70's and early 80's long before I had my first tri-tronics. I have litterally ran bck and forth across the mountain and then hid in th bushes as coyotes ran by and then caught the trailing dogs when they came through and scolded them heavily. That was the old way and it wasn't easy. I love my tri-tronics and do not leave home without them. Like I said we try to run a tracking collar and tri-tronics on every dog, except for maybe an old dog that I really trust 99%, I learned a long time ago there is no such thing as 100% trash broke hound. :chuckle:
The absolute best thing about tri-tronics training collars is that you can always be the good guy. When your dogs do wrong you can stimulate them and then praise them when they come to you. This way you are always the good guy. In the old days trying to break a trashy dog was tough, half the time they became shy about coming to you if you weren't careful. Now you can alsways be the good guy. :chuckle:
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 07:57:15 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2011, 08:18:57 PM
I have always thought that these collars would be great for training certain things with horses, but you would have to be very careful as horses are far more sensitive than hard headed hounds. I think mostly the beep and maybe the level 1 or 2 stimulation would be all that's ever needed. :chuckle:
I wonder if anyone has ever tried them on a horse or mule.... :dunno:
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 08:30:44 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2011, 08:46:00 PM
I would never turn a dog loose without a gps or tracking collar. We often run both since the gps require closer range to read your dog collar.
Post by: Donaye37 on August 24, 2011, 08:57:16 PM
Post by: Stilly bay on August 25, 2011, 10:58:47 AM
Dang I want to go run some dogs ..... :yeah:X2!!!
Post by: Special T on August 25, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
Post by: time2hunt on August 25, 2011, 04:58:24 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 25, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
BP dont some of the collars now have a combined gps and shock collar combo? that way you can track down your dog with a map overlay?
I'm not sure, hunters would like 1 unit, but I do not know if one is available. Equipment has been changing, maybe someone else has more info....
Post by: Machias on August 26, 2011, 08:55:11 AM
You have to be a little careful with shock collars you can do more harm then good if you have an itchy trigger finger...err thumb. I use mine for two reasons, trash breaking and for long distance recall. I start working with a 6 foot leash and get the dog to understand the Come command, then we go to a 25 foot check chord, then they wear a dummy shock collar for several days while we continue working on obediance. Then in a big yard I let them go. Almost without fail the first time I say come when they are off leash I'll get the look, yea right. Then on the lowest setting I will hit them. Usually they will stop and look around like what the heck was that. Then I'll say COME, and if they don't head my way right then and there they get a bit more juice. Usually they are trying to get out of their skin trying to get back to me. Lots of praise and love when they get to me. Then it's just repetition over the next few days weeks and months. I NEVER EVER shock one off game unless I know for sure what they are running, even if I'm pretty sure I know they are running something they are not supposed to I don't shock them. ONLY when I know for sure. I usually try and set them up for failure, see deer or elk and road them into the deer or elk and then take appropriate action. For running trash they get the highest setting. Usually doesn't take more than a time or two. That's why you have to be careful not to let them get collar wise.
Little story, I had a Half Cameron Bluetick and a Smokey River Bluetick a few years ago. They opened up on the way back to the truck and in the area they were running I figured it was a deer, then they fell treed on a sticker tree. I was certain it was a damn porky. I had such a strong urge to shock them both, but since I was not certain I did not. I got to the tree and shined my light up and right into the eyes of my biggest WA coon ever. I could have done some real damage if I'd have let my impulse take over.
Post by: buckhorn2 on August 26, 2011, 09:06:20 AM
Post by: Swannytheswan on August 26, 2011, 11:07:44 AM
Post by: Donaye37 on August 26, 2011, 11:34:12 AM
The 2 mile range would be a Trashbreaker.
You have to be a little careful with shock collars you can do more harm then good if you have an itchy trigger finger...err thumb. I use mine for two reasons, trash breaking and for long distance recall. I start working with a 6 foot leash and get the dog to understand the Come command, then we go to a 25 foot check chord, then they wear a dummy shock collar for several days while we continue working on obediance. Then in a big yard I let them go. Almost without fail the first time I say come when they are off leash I'll get the look, yea right. Then on the lowest setting I will hit them. Usually they will stop and look around like what the heck was that. Then I'll say COME, and if they don't head my way right then and there they get a bit more juice. Usually they are trying to get out of their skin trying to get back to me. Lots of praise and love when they get to me. Then it's just repetition over the next few days weeks and months. I NEVER EVER shock one off game unless I know for sure what they are running, even if I'm pretty sure I know they are running something they are not supposed to I don't shock them. ONLY when I know for sure. I usually try and set them up for failure, see deer or elk and road them into the deer or elk and then take appropriate action. For running trash they get the highest setting. Usually doesn't take more than a time or two. That's why you have to be careful not to let them get collar wise.
Little story, I had a Half Cameron Bluetick and a Smokey River Bluetick a few years ago. They opened up on the way back to the truck and in the area they were running I figured it was a deer, then they fell treed on a sticker tree. I was certain it was a damn porky. I had such a strong urge to shock them both, but since I was not certain I did not. I got to the tree and shined my light up and right into the eyes of my biggest WA coon ever. I could have done some real damage if I'd have let my impulse take over.
Thanks for the tips they help alot. Cant wait to get some tra oj ning in with ya with my pup.
Post by: bearpaw on September 30, 2011, 07:25:54 PM
Post by: Machias on September 30, 2011, 07:35:11 PM
Post by: Special T on October 01, 2011, 03:11:37 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 01, 2011, 03:24:29 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 01, 2011, 03:28:14 PM
BP how many hounds do you need to keep in your pack to run you guide business? can you take more than 1 group out hound hunting at a time?
There are three of us who are experienced doggers. We each have our own dogs, so we can hunt 3 hunters at once and each hunter will have their own guide and hounds.
FYI - One good dog will catch nearly all cougar. But the dogs have much more safety when 3 or more are hunted together because cougar can be deadly on dogs if they want to be.
Post by: Ranger91298 on October 01, 2011, 03:34:38 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 01, 2011, 03:49:31 PM
Inexperienced hounds are cheap because nobody wants them. One good dog will catch more game than 10 inexperienced dogs ever will. Plus one good dog will teach you how to be a better dogger.
If you can find a friend to hunt with that's a big help, but only hunt one inexperienced dog at a time with the good dogs, two inxperienced dogs will get themselves into trouble together.
There's more info about hunting with hounds in Full Cry Magazine or on www.Biggamehoundsmen.com (http://www.Biggamehoundsmen.com)
Post by: Machias on October 01, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
Post by: CplRaines on October 01, 2011, 10:37:40 PM
Post by: Machias on October 02, 2011, 09:35:05 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 02, 2011, 10:23:40 AM
those are some nice looking redbones, if you get a chance tell us a little more about them... :tup:
Post by: CplRaines on October 02, 2011, 10:47:30 AM
CplRaines welcome to the forum :hello:
those are some nice looking redbones, if you get a chance tell us a little more about them... :tup:
Well... Have wanted redbones ever since I was a kid and read "Where the red fern grows".
Couldn't have any hounds growing up. My parents weren't the outdoors type and we weren't what you would call "well off". Hounds cost big $$. ;)
After I got out of the Corps, my wife and I had mutts. Great dogs, but still wanted redbones.
We lost the last of our mutts a couple of years ago, So I figured it was time. I wanted my kiddos to experience them before they moved out.
I started searching for them in Washington and found that there are very few around. Alot of blue ticks, black & tans, and walkers, but redbones are scarce up here. Found a breeder out of Issaquah, but his sire was used as old dan in the latest Where the red fern grows movie. They wanted too much and had to get the pups fixed.
So I decided to get a breeding pair from out of state to get another redbone line going up here. Got champion show and coonhunt bloodline from Texas a little over a year ago. Couldn't be happier.
Had thought about gettin with some friends that have hunted dogs in the past to train them, but what's the point around my neck of the woods anymore.
Ask any questions, I might have an answer. ;)
Post by: bearpaw on October 02, 2011, 11:12:55 AM
I hope you get a chance to hunt them, it's a shame you can't hunt them like it used to be. There are a lot of raccoon in western Washington, maybe you can hook up with someone who has access to some good coon hunting. :twocents:
Post by: whack em on October 13, 2011, 07:28:08 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 28, 2011, 07:57:36 PM
Bocephus, Mischief, and their new litter of pups.those are dang fine lookin dogs their now !!!! watched where the red furn grows the other day and it still tears me up :dunno:
Post by: Forrestrover on October 30, 2011, 02:02:55 PM
Post by: walk0131 on December 02, 2011, 04:25:46 PM
My hounds drug me to the front they refused to follow anyother dog lol
Post by: Machias on December 02, 2011, 09:33:39 PM
Post by: seth30 on December 02, 2011, 09:35:49 PM
:yeah: I cant sit through the ending with dry eyes.Bocephus, Mischief, and their new litter of pups.those are dang fine lookin dogs their now !!!! watched where the red furn grows the other day and it still tears me up :dunno:
Post by: time2hunt on February 14, 2012, 08:19:35 AM
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Post by: KFhunter on February 19, 2012, 10:54:43 PM
BP dont some of the collars now have a combined gps and shock collar combo? that way you can track down your dog with a map overlay?
I'm not sure, hunters would like 1 unit, but I do not know if one is available. Equipment has been changing, maybe someone else has more info....
Tritronics has teamed up with garmin - or rather garmin bought out TT
http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/06/garmin-acquires-tri-tronics-inc-leader-in-electronic-dog-training-equipment.html (http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/06/garmin-acquires-tri-tronics-inc-leader-in-electronic-dog-training-equipment.html)
both of which I really like, so I hope to see some great Ecollars with GPS in them.
Post by: bearpaw on February 19, 2012, 11:11:27 PM
BP dont some of the collars now have a combined gps and shock collar combo? that way you can track down your dog with a map overlay?
I'm not sure, hunters would like 1 unit, but I do not know if one is available. Equipment has been changing, maybe someone else has more info....
Tritronics has teamed up with garmin - or rather garmin bought out TT
http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/06/garmin-acquires-tri-tronics-inc-leader-in-electronic-dog-training-equipment.html (http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/06/garmin-acquires-tri-tronics-inc-leader-in-electronic-dog-training-equipment.html)
both of which I really like, so I hope to see some great Ecollars with GPS in them.
My son and I were just discussing that merger/buyout, I think this will force wildlife to come out with a new combo unit too. :tup:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 22, 2012, 11:19:23 AM
I have also heard that the Garmin disrupts the Trashbreaker I'm using...I think it's happening because my tri tronics "2 mile range" is more like 400 yards...
Post by: Machias on February 22, 2012, 12:20:18 PM
because my tri tronics "2 mile range" is more like 400 yards...
That's not good!!
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Post by: bearpaw on May 16, 2012, 12:45:19 PM
Our dogs get turned loose with 3 collars too, 2 types of tracking collar on one collar, training collar, and regular collar with bell.
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Post by: Machias on June 01, 2012, 10:27:56 AM
Post by: Special T on June 04, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
I've always run mine with bells on for years.
I know Hikers bells seem to attract Griz in Teition and Yellowstone NP... Do the bells really help keep wolves away? or do they not have enough experience with bells so they are more hesitant to come close to them?
Post by: Pinfold on September 04, 2012, 10:07:55 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on September 18, 2012, 06:33:03 AM
I've always run mine with bells on for years.
I know Hikers bells seem to attract Griz in Teition and Yellowstone NP... Do the bells really help keep wolves away? or do they not have enough experience with bells so they are more hesitant to come close to them?
Are you sure bells attract bear, or is that just a good joke everyone likes to laugh about? :dunno:
A large number of hounders run bells in Idaho and Montana and that has seemed to work well at deterring wolves, however there is a couple packs in the Grangeville/Orofino area that attack dogs even with bells. They have learned the bells are not harmful. I think most anywhere else the wolves have not learned about bells so bells still help deter wolves due to the unnatural sound they make.
We do not run any dog without a bell, we put bells on the dogs at a few months old and they live their wholelife with a bell. My son has hunted about every part of Idaho, so far no dogs attacked, although the wolves have flanked him and the dogs coming out of the woods after dark several times. Scared the dickens out of him and the dogs. Problem with wolves, they study new prey until they feel safe to attack, so eventually the bells may not deter an attack.
I have even considered putting bird dog beepers on my hounds if the bells quit keeping the wolves away.
Post by: Special T on September 18, 2012, 10:07:47 AM