Post by: Ray on June 22, 2008, 09:43:01 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on June 22, 2008, 09:45:37 AM
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It seemed like all the idiots who lived around Seattle moved over there and brought their self righteous police attitude with them
NO JOKE.......i hear you!
Post by: boneaddict on June 22, 2008, 09:46:29 AM
Post by: robodad on June 22, 2008, 09:48:45 AM
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I am not really a fisherman (I just go along for the ride once in a while)
I thought you did a fine job with the sturgeon !! :)
Post by: Ray on June 22, 2008, 09:54:59 AM
Post by: Antlershed on June 22, 2008, 10:08:39 AM
Post by: Head-shot on June 22, 2008, 10:33:24 AM
I would start carring a portable radio and crank it when they said be quietmaybe drop the tackle box in the boat. Hell I might even take a few softball sized rocks with me to be deposited into the honey hole of some real arrogant A-hole. Then wish him good luck as I floated by. It would probably progress with me casting a treble hook into their boat and trying to drag one of them into the water and troll with him, or ask if he would be interested in a nice shore lunch with me.
So its best for me just to fish in a big open place.
All joking aside I would say you have just as much right to be there as them, so enjoy yourself and :pee: on them.
Post by: Buckshot Bill on June 22, 2008, 10:55:04 AM
Those type of people just make me mad, pissed to be more accurate. I won't even fish in the Yak because of all the drift snobs. People yelling directives at me usually get their feelings hurt when I reply with some Witty quip about their pedigree or orientation.
I would start carring a portable radio and crank it when they said be quietmaybe drop the tackle box in the boat. Hell I might even take a few softball sized rocks with me to be deposited into the honey hole of some real arrogant A-hole. Then wish him good luck as I floated by. It would probably progress with me casting a treble hook into their boat and trying to drag one of them into the water and troll with him, or ask if he would be interested in a nice shore lunch with me.
So its best for me just to fish in a big open place.
All joking aside I would say you have just as much right to be there as them, so enjoy yourself and :pee: on them.
Now that's funny! :lol4: :fishin:
Post by: HuntingFanatic on June 22, 2008, 11:10:18 AM
Post by: huntnphool on June 22, 2008, 11:35:28 AM
maybe drop the tackle box in the boat.
Oops, sorry about that, that was kind of loud wasn't it :chuckle:
Post by: MountainWalk on June 22, 2008, 11:54:58 AM
Post by: Dman on June 22, 2008, 12:49:41 PM
Post by: PolarBear on June 22, 2008, 01:15:48 PM
I've experienced this attitude on rivers, one of the reasons I don't fish river's anymore, unless it's away from the crowd. On the Cowlitz near our property, it was always a battle to get a decent spot without someone casting over you on purpose (even when you have a fish on), or just plain trying to push you out of a spot. More room on the salt.Aaaaaaaaaaaamen! Crowds are the #1 reason that I do not fish the Cowlitz. I love the Buoy 10 fishery despite of the crowds but if a guy knows what he is doing he can avoid the jack knobs and still get his limit. Many years ago I was drifting the Humptulips for fall kings and had some dude on the bank yell expletives at me and to stay away from their lines. Well, hell, they were strung out clean across the river so I rowed as hard and noisily as I could to the far bank to get as far away from his lines as possible all the while slamming the side of the boat with the oars about every other stroke. Man the dude and his buddy were pissed calling us every name in he book, threatening and throwing rocks at us. I added to the fuel by teasing them about their weenie throwing arms and how they couldn't get near us. We expected to see them at the take out when we were done fishing. I have seen dudes in boats roar in and park right on top of where bank fishermen are. I don't get that kind of crap. There is plenty of water to fish and I will not fish near or park on someone else's spot. It ain't worth the hassle and it is just plain courtesy.
Post by: M_ray on June 22, 2008, 01:39:15 PM
I have had people drift right over my hole when there was room to go around but theres not much you can say ... if they are stupid enough to do it in the first place they aren't going to get what you say anyway!
Post by: MountainWalk on June 22, 2008, 02:27:57 PM
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Post by: robodad on June 22, 2008, 02:57:11 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on June 22, 2008, 05:19:09 PM
We pull the anchor and move off when they show up. This way nobody gets hurt....
Post by: Head-shot on June 22, 2008, 05:29:25 PM
...Nothing ruins a quiet foggy morning on a river than having a boatload of whitetrash show up and start yapping it up as they snap gear off in trees and yell back and forth to eachother. I call this "trailerpark fishing".I had always heard it called something with more of a southern redneck twist to it, a lot less PC to it. But yep thems the same boat load of turds. :chuckle:
Post by: MuleySniper on June 22, 2008, 06:02:06 PM
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Post by: billythekidrock on June 22, 2008, 06:32:19 PM
Actually I have found that having some asswipe plow thru a hole very often stirs it up and repositions fish into catchable positions.
I have had guys on shore ask us to "stir it up a bit" when going by in a boat...and I have seen it work enough to know that it can bring on a "bite" out of aggression.
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I cannot stand next to someone in the river as they smoke a cig, and belch and stink it up. I would rather fish a crappy section of river than compete over a "honey hole".
Same here... Sometimes I don't want people..or fish..to bother me while I am fishin'.. :chuckle:
Post by: Ray on June 22, 2008, 06:44:54 PM
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I think there are jerks everywhere but the problem you had was the purist LL bean, Orvis crowd!
Bingo. That's it. Oh and yes it is fishermen mostly because they know they can get away with it. It's too hard and not really worth it to stop and confront people who think they can launch an attitude across the water as if they are tough guys or something. Behavior which never seems to come up on dry land and that is the reason they do it - because they know that nobody else will confront them.
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2008, 07:37:47 PM
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I think there are jerks everywhere but the problem you had was the purist LL bean, Orvis crowd!
i love ll bean...used to go there every summer when i lived back east. and orvis...their customer service and warranty are second to nobody.
you guys friggin amaze me sometimes.
a couple on here know me well enough to know that i am not an elitist purist snob...but some of you guys posting in this thread talking smack about fisherman are the same guys who speak down about guys who are not willing to walk 5 miles to shoot a deer and who don't understand why a guy would shoot a deer thats not a booner, then flip a guy *censored* for shooting a dink buck.
my point i guess is that there are a-holes in every crowd...hunting, fishing, boating, etc. the driftboat guys don't like the jet sled guys and the bank guys don't like the boat guys and the blah blah blah. it comes down to courtesy. i own a driftboat and float a few rivers a few times a year. if i am fishing a steelhead run swinging a fly and some dude low-holes me in a a boat, i'm gonna get pissed, it's a courtesy thing. if other people bother you, fish somewhere where there are no other people. it amazes me every time i float the sky how people get pissed about being crowded in a hole that is known to hold fish...welll duh....there's only so many holes and there are 8324 fishermen out here today...what did you expect??
Post by: Ray on June 22, 2008, 07:40:29 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
Post by: sisu on June 22, 2008, 07:51:51 PM
I love it when these types are on a river during a big run and I'm cover with blood, slime, and stink like a friggin' fish. I usually try to shove a cigar in my mouth at this point and explain that fish, deer, moose, duck, birds are all protein and I love protein.
Drifting, jet boating, sitting in a lake fishing every butt hole-e-o has an opinion, but if it's my boat it's only my opinion that counts.
Post by: boneaddict on June 22, 2008, 07:54:31 PM
Post by: Tall Chief Hunting Club on June 22, 2008, 08:05:10 PM
Post by: huntnphool on June 22, 2008, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: sisu on June 22, 2008, 08:16:40 PM
Who chit in your wheaties this morning? :) Now go vote on pic of the month. :chuckle:I was fishing this weekend. Saw "multi-use" of a small lake by fishermen and pleasure boaters. The lake is too small in my opinion to have a boat on with a motor bigger than say 10hp. Kept waiting for fist-a-cuffs to fly but only verbal action.
Saw too many people keeping very small cutts to eat, people blasting music, telling their small children to shut the hell up, not paying for their camp site because they know no one is checking, litter, human *censored* in my immedate camp site area, and the smell of raw sewage that I believe one of the motorhomers released into the camping area woods.
I could add more to the list Bone but why, all it does is make me dislike the human race more than I do now.
Post by: boneaddict on June 22, 2008, 08:19:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2008, 08:29:43 PM
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the flyboy these days seems to think they are the ultimate. the attitude is wrong and the way they talk to some people is rude.
my favorite thing in the world is when a sled swamps my driftboat because they have to run a boat that is about 3 sizes too big for the river they are on about 130mph upriver about 3 feet off my bow...that is so cool.
talk about rude...
no offense to most sled guys...especially my new jet boat owner friends. ;)
hey at least i'm not blaming all the jet guys.
seems like all of us flyfishermen get lumped into the same arrogant prick group, regardless of how non-arrogant we are.
i don't get it, and probably never will, so i'm not even gonna bother trying.
oh...1 more thing...i steer way clear of the bank-fishermen because i know they are stuck fishing where they are...i can always go find some water that they can't access. damn i am a nice flyfisherman.
:chuckle:
Post by: Tall Chief Hunting Club on June 22, 2008, 08:36:34 PM
Post by: M_ray on June 22, 2008, 08:43:55 PM
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Occasionally you will see someone that decides to anchor right in the middle of a drift or pull plugs through it, I generally just reel up until I pass them but some of the guides get downright nasty yelling at these folks, get out the popcorn and listen some times
That occasional person is me! I have had my share of run ins with the guides there and the thing is I wait until no one has been around for 15-20 minutes and then anchor there and it never fails you can see them coming a mile away and then they get to about 50 yards and yell at me to pull anchor "cause I'm coming through" ... I don't cause I'm stubborn and tell them to eat $hit just cause I choose not to fish the river the same as them doesn't give them ownership ... deal with it like everyone else! The last guide that chewed on me was clancy's son and I told him I'd be happy to meet him on the gravel bar and he took off upstream and I never saw him again ... but he was so classy first in front of his clients calling me a F'n idiot!
Post by: FANATIC on June 22, 2008, 08:47:42 PM
P.S.
I also have Orvis and LL Bean gear...I also have fly reel spooled with mono.
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2008, 08:48:49 PM
tall chief...my last bag of hot air comment was not directed at you...i think you gathered that.
Post by: sisu on June 22, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
...I also have fly reel spooled with mono.
A buddy of mine that lives in Da UP (he's a Yooper) steelheads with a set up like that and catches all kinds of crap from people. He and I, probably like most of the knot heads on this site, have 50 years plus fishing experience, but the new and improved fly guy know better. Actually, I learn new stuff every time I go out. Either from my own mistakes, or from my wife's successes, or by watching others.
Jackalope, I know I am hard on the new and improved but then again I'm a Finnlander and that is a whole other issue by it self. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2008, 09:19:35 PM
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Jackalope, I know I am hard on the new and improved but then again I'm a Finnlander and that is a whole other issue by it self
:chuckle:
Post by: FANATIC on June 22, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
Post by: M_ray on June 22, 2008, 09:35:49 PM
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i love ll bean...used to go there every summer when i lived back east. and orvis...their customer service and warranty are second to nobody.
you guys friggin amaze me sometimes.
a couple on here know me well enough to know that i am not an elitist purist snob...but some of you guys posting in this thread talking smack about fisherman are the same guys who speak down about guys who are not willing to walk 5 miles to shoot a deer and who don't understand why a guy would shoot a deer thats not a booner, then flip a guy *censored* for shooting a dink buck.
Just to clarify Jakelope ... I never called you A jerk because you wear LL Bean or Orvis gear I was refering to the crowd that huntwa ran into this weekend that fits that discription. I don't remember ever giving anyone crap about not walking far enough for a deer or not shooting a booner either heck I've never shot a booner! And I'm a meat hunter too ... I hate waiting too long for a good one I like to eat it!!!! obviously look at my Elk this last year ... I shot the first one that gave me a shot!
But I was the one that made the LL Bean, Orvis Purist comment so I just need to say I wasn't pointing any fingers at anyone on this site just that crowd in general terms, wich you may not fit the discription but you would have to admit most of them do!
Post by: huntnphool on June 22, 2008, 10:22:10 PM
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But I was the one that made the LL Bean, Orvis Purist comment
Good thing I use Sage rods and Lamson reels :lol4:
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2008, 10:25:26 PM
a couple loomis rigs, a powell, a scott, a couple redington reels, a couple orvis reels, a couple homemade jobs, a couple cane rigs, i'm not prejudice. :chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on June 22, 2008, 10:53:59 PM
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Good thing I use Sage rods and Lamson reels
Well if you acted like the crowd that huuntwa ran into I'd have to change it to the Sage, Lamson purist club! :chuckle:
BTW I fish Sage too! ;)
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2008, 10:57:12 PM
Post by: Ray on June 23, 2008, 06:57:05 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on June 23, 2008, 07:05:56 AM
What is the "fly reel spooled with mono"..... I am feeling pretty out of the loop about now...
Post by: robodad on June 23, 2008, 08:49:51 AM
Post by: FANATIC on June 23, 2008, 09:45:19 AM
Post by: Dman on June 23, 2008, 09:53:31 AM
Post by: Head-shot on June 23, 2008, 12:01:10 PM
Ok, someone learn me up on this one... :dunno:I'm with you Iceman, I'm not a fly fisherman. :fishin:
What is the "fly reel spooled with mono"..... I am feeling pretty out of the loop about now...
However; I sometimes even fish with a beer can with 2nd hand fishing line spooled around it. Works good until you get a really big one, then it crushes your can and snatches it right into the damn water... :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2008, 08:07:24 PM
I almost never use a fly rod, I run my flies on mono and have always does well, unless you are fishing really big water there's no need. A guide in Oregon showed me a really slick tandem setup where the larger top fly acts as a "bobber", giving you greater casting ability while using a bead head on the bottom.
i could see how this would work for casting say 2-3 feet, but not sure unless you are talking trolling or using a casting bubble how you'd be able to cast any distance with flies on a spinning rod.
the tandem setup is what us purist snobs refer to as a hopper-dropper....we flyfishermen don't use anything called a bobber, ever.
even when we do use bobbers we call them strike indicators...it sounds much more refined and classy.
:P
Post by: Dman on June 23, 2008, 08:35:53 PM
You use a good sized floater, Carey type or similar and another good sized bead head, strip out some line just as you would a fly rod and even false cast a couple times. I can get out 12-15 feet, plenty for me.
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on June 24, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
Dont slam them all, Most can outfish the bait slingers. lol. More of a sport if you know what i mean.
Our hands dont smell like fish unless we catch them. Most flyfisherman find the river or hole where not as many people are, Yes they are still out there. Being said, fish are there too.
Post by: Professor Chaos on June 24, 2008, 01:15:12 PM
The less you know about it Ray, the more possible it is that you were in the wrong and just thinking that everyone else is a jerk. In reading your whole story that is what sticks out to me.
Like jackelope said, there are bad apples in every crowd, how you deal with it is your own perogative but there are plenty of great waters without the hassel of dealing with idiots.
Post by: tlbradford on June 24, 2008, 04:30:30 PM
wow, you could read the first post and know it was going to end up going this route. Etiquette is all that is lacking, the message is loud and clear. If you are floating over their lines, and running their water, you are an *censored*. Its pretty plain and simple. If you make an effort to avoid spooking fish or disturbing people's water I find that 99% are courteous.
The less you know about it Ray, the more possible it is that you were in the wrong and just thinking that everyone else is a jerk. In reading your whole story that is what sticks out to me.
Like jackelope said, there are bad apples in every crowd, how you deal with it is your own perogative but there are plenty of great waters without the hassel of dealing with idiots.
I do not know of any rivers that flow different directions, the current always seems to go one way. If you are on a narrow river and somebody is parked in the middle, the best you can do is to go around as quietly as possible, and give them as much room as possible. The river needs to be shared and an understanding an etiquette displayed by both boats.
Post by: Ray on June 24, 2008, 04:33:47 PM
Post by: Skyhigh on June 24, 2008, 05:00:50 PM
wow, you could read the first post and know it was going to end up going this route. Etiquette is all that is lacking, the message is loud and clear. If you are floating over their lines, and running their water, you are an *censored*. Its pretty plain and simple. If you make an effort to avoid spooking fish or disturbing people's water I find that 99% are courteous.
The less you know about it Ray, the more possible it is that you were in the wrong and just thinking that everyone else is a jerk. In reading your whole story that is what sticks out to me.
Like jackelope said, there are bad apples in every crowd, how you deal with it is your own perogative but there are plenty of great waters without the hassel of dealing with idiots.
I do not know of any rivers that flow different directions, the current always seems to go one way. If you are on a narrow river and somebody is parked in the middle, the best you can do is to go around as quietly as possible, and give them as much room as possible. The river needs to be shared and an understanding an etiquette displayed by both boats.
in that situation, you would want to "hug" their boat as the water they are fishing is most likely "around" them. An experienced oarsman would observe where and how they are fishing to determine what move to make..
its apparent most are clueless when it comes to river etiquette! but a funny and interesting thread, got me to register.
Post by: Ray on June 24, 2008, 05:07:48 PM
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I do not know of any rivers that flow different directions, the current always seems to go one way. If you are on a narrow river and somebody is parked in the middle, the best you can do is to go around as quietly as possible, and give them as much room as possible. The river needs to be shared and an understanding an etiquette displayed by both boats.
I agree and that was our main goal. Why would anyone be interested in getting tangled up in someone else's lines other than to be an idiot. That's about all I was expecting from another person out there. Clearly that expectation is too high :chuckle:
Post by: robodad on June 24, 2008, 05:29:53 PM
Fishing is challanging and if someone rows their boat past me in the river and spooks the fish well I'll just have to catch up to them and throw a...... I mean I'll just have to fish harder or move on to another hole. The rivers are public and I wouldn't expect folks to act any differently weather I met them in a parking lot at Home Depot or on a nice calm streach of the Bogey.
I don't have expensive stuff, but what I have works and if you are on the river to show that you are keeping up with the Jonses and think that because my stuff is older or "Used" and are giving me hell over it, tough !! Maybe I'll bang my oars on the side of the boat as I go past you just for fun :chuckle:
Get over it is what I say, I spend too little time outdoors the way it is and am damn sure not going to worry about how you think I should be acting while I am out there. I try to be friendly and try not to intentionally piss anyone off and mostly keep to myself and if you have something to say it will get met with a "Whatever" or "Worry about yourself" kind of attitude and I just move on.
It is too bad that folks think they own the river actually I think I own the river but I don't mind sharing !! :chuckle:
Post by: Ray on June 24, 2008, 05:31:46 PM
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Where abouts is this etiquette listed, I am pretty new to the river boat thing and I have never read anything about how to act while enjoying my time on the river, don't sound like I could have a real good time if I am constantly worried about how other fisherman want me to act.
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It is too bad that folks think they own the river actually I think I own the river but I don't mind sharing !!
Robodad I think you got it right. :iamwithstupid:
Post by: tlbradford on June 24, 2008, 05:56:48 PM
in that situation, you would want to "hug" their boat as the water they are fishing is most likely "around" them. An experienced oarsman would observe where and how they are fishing to determine what move to make..
its apparent most are clueless when it comes to river etiquette! but a funny and interesting thread, got me to register.
Not sure if the clueless remark was directed at me or not, but in case it was, here is my rebuttal...You are right, an experienced oarsman would observe how they are fishing and where they are casting before deciding on a route to take. The statement that most likely they are fishing around them is not very accurate and could be considered "clueless". There is a ton of water where the fish will hold in a deeper channel on one side of the river so you would not fish off both sides of the boat. There are many times someone will backtroll or work plugs directly behind a boat.
Either way it sounds like you have some experience to share about fishing and I am looking forward to reading about it. Welcome to the site.
Post by: Ray on June 24, 2008, 06:21:42 PM
Post by: sisu on June 24, 2008, 06:48:59 PM
wow, you could read the first post and know it was going to end up going this route. Etiquette is all that is lacking, the message is loud and clear. If you are floating over their lines, and running their water, you are an *censored*. Its pretty plain and simple. If you make an effort to avoid spooking fish or disturbing people's water I find that 99% are courteous.How do you avoid floating or driving your boat over lines in a river? If the line to run or float is where the lines are what are you supposed to do?
The less you know about it Ray, the more possible it is that you were in the wrong and just thinking that everyone else is a jerk. In reading your whole story that is what sticks out to me.
Like jackelope said, there are bad apples in every crowd, how you deal with it is your own perogative but there are plenty of great waters without the hassel of dealing with idiots.
In Alaska with my jet I'd hold in the river and wait for people to pull lines and then go thru with a big wave and a loud thank you. No one got mad. If someone had a fish on we'd wait till it was landed or lost. What to Washington fishermen want?????
Post by: robodad on June 24, 2008, 06:58:10 PM
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What to Washington fishermen want??
They want you to pull over to the bank above them and pick up your boat and tip-toe behind them without making a sound, and never make eye contact, they hate that above all else. and make sure you iron your rain coat before you put it on here or they will all yell really nasty stuff at you all the while your carrying your boat.
Just be sure to be quiet and you'll do ok !! Good luck !! :chuckle:
Post by: klickriverchromer on June 24, 2008, 07:04:31 PM
Post by: sisu on June 24, 2008, 07:07:16 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on June 24, 2008, 09:03:54 PM
So, if you are a *censored* and havent figure out how to fish a river, let me give some "courtesy tips" before someone does something really bad to you.
* If bank fishing, stop your freaking casting as I approach in my boat, so that I may quickly and quietly slide thru....if you actually hook up, or get snagged, you arent going to be happy with me cause I cannot just slam on the brakes!
* If you are a guide, screw you! You turds keep vacuuming up all of our fish, and get money too! Greedy buggers!
* If drifting, try to be courteous to the bank fishermen, as they feel like *censored* seeing you come down the river in your fancy schmancy freaking meat tub! (You should hear what they say after you pass, it would make a trucker blush!)
* If drifting, do not come down the river to park the boat within casting distance of bank fishermen who were there first. Do not beach your boat next to me, jump out and start casting, since I am stuck on this freaking riverbend, and you can enjoy the whole damned river. Stretch your stiff legs somewhere else, you are really irritating.
* If bank fishing, stop throwing rocks at me as I drift by, I now carry a gun.
* All fishermen, do not runover and start frothing up the water as I beach another fish out of my honey hole, HOW RUDE IS THAT! I dont care if you were there first... :chuckle:
* No peeing in the river. Urine must be deposited atleast out of view of other fishermen.
* And on a more serious note, how about if we all make sure to pick up our trash, and maybe even a bit more each trip?
Post by: Professor Chaos on June 24, 2008, 09:42:31 PM
Obviously this is pure speculation but, if getting close means touching someones line, you are obviously not aware of what you are doing. if as many people were *censored*s as you guys claim, it would stand to reason that you were either on the nooch or bogey or something like that, or you guys were partially to blame. Just because you didnt touch their lines, doesnt mean you didnt run their water or float the seam where the fish are holding.
no one owns the water, no one thinks you own the water either, but the least you should expect is to give some and recieve some courtesy on a small river.
this sure sounds like the nooch to me, although i am not sure how many people fish behind them for steelhead on a river with such low and clear conditions right now.
Post by: Ray on June 24, 2008, 09:48:51 PM
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on June 24, 2008, 10:13:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2008, 10:19:29 PM
i wonder if these folks think about things when they drop anchor, but usually keep quiet. i am not on a river to flip people *censored* or get bitched and moaned at, so i tend to keep quiet. not really interested in meeting anybody on the bank unless they are sharing a cold pop or something, and hoping/assuming they aren't too interested in meeting me on the bank either.
:dunno:
Post by: sisu on June 25, 2008, 05:53:45 AM
I only know of two in WA: one that used to run the Skykomish and another at the Potholes. I've never seen them myself but I hear all the complaints and bitching. So what, this is THE United States of America we have some freedoms left, if a guy wants to run an air boat that is his prerogative. If you don't like it just write to Obama and tell him your problems so he can pass a law to protect us from ourselves.
Sleds, air-boats and drift boats have some control when approaching bank fishermen but if some moron has set up in a tight spot with their boat or with their lines in the water while bank fishing TS. I'll compare them to snow boarders sitting across the fall line below a hill where no one can see the morons. You reap what you sow.
Post by: cohoho on June 25, 2008, 09:31:47 AM
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Post by: Alchase on June 25, 2008, 12:11:35 PM
What this all boils down too is common courtesy for the other guy. If you act like a *censored* bag, expect to be treated like one.
A couple years ago I took my dog for a run up to Flaming Geyser State Park. I spent many many days in my youth fishing the pretty little hole above the bridge. I took allot of fish out of that pretty hole off a 6' 6" medium action eagle Claw with a Mitchel 300a spincaster, that my dad put together for me from leftovers of all the poles us kids broke of my Dad's.
As Maizie and I walked up to the beach, there was this guy fishing the hole and I swear this guy had every piece of Orvis/LL Bean gear that a fly fisherman could covet. I was admiring the thousands of dollars of gear (I could not afford it but I could admire it, even though I do not Fly fish often.) He had the polarized glasses, the Bug proof shirt, waders and shoes, hanging fish net, cool looking Man purse fannypack, you know he could switch reels and be fishing again in nothing flat and not even leave the water. I asked him how the fishing was, and he glanced my way but did not say anything. So I asked him again a little louder thinking he could not hear me over the water. He turned his head around towards me and actually "shooshed me" . Well that got me laughing not meaning to be rude, but it just caught me off guard. As I was chuckling to my self, a kid about 12 walks up wearing flip flops and shorts with no shirt. He was carrying a small can with Okie and yarn leaders in it, and a couple strips of lead. His pole was just a typical spincast combo you see at Kmart. The kid says "Hi" to me ask asks "how has the fishing has been?". I laughed and told him he needs to ask the him (pointing to the guy who shooshed me). I was dying to see the guys response, lol. So the kid asks him "hows the fishing? What are they biting on?" The Orvis guy, did not disappoint me, he turns around puts his finger to his mouth and says "shoosh" again. So the kid looks at me with a grin and says "No luck huh, you want to try one of my Okies?" Orvis guy just moves upsteam about 100 yards without a word. I tell the kid "good luck" and start walking back to my truck. I had just let my dog in the truck when I hear a "zzzz" of line going out. I walked back over to watch. The kid had stepped into the river where Orvis guy had just left. I am not sure how many cast he had made, but it could not have been more the 5-10 and he hooked up. The kid walks his fish down and lands a nice 5-7 lb hen steely hatchery fish. Kid pick up his fish and yells upstream to Orvis guy "you sure you do not want to use one of my okies?"! the kid looks at me with a big grin on his face, and walks back to the picnic ground .
Post by: DeKuma on June 25, 2008, 12:45:32 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 25, 2008, 07:58:47 PM
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You guys in WA are lucky people here don't run air boats like they do back home. If they did I'll bet there would be some real bitching.
I only know of two in WA: one that used to run the Skykomish and another at the Potholes
1 still runs the sky...seen him a couple times below lewis street bridge.
Post by: Dman on June 25, 2008, 08:23:36 PM
I would probably only run the Columbia or lower Cowlitz. People have enough of an attitude towards jets on the salt....
I won't be getting another jet anyways, Duckworth just made my dream boat, 26' Pacific Navigator.
Post by: M_ray on June 25, 2008, 11:56:30 PM
I sat here thinking, hey, :)...maybe we can post some common courtesy tips :rolleyes:... but then I thought "F-that", *censored*s know who they are! Then I thought...maybe not! Even some of my hunting buddies embarras me when in public...
So, if you are a *censored* and havent figure out how to fish a river, let me give some "courtesy tips" before someone does something really bad to you.
* If bank fishing, stop your freaking casting as I approach in my boat, so that I may quickly and quietly slide thru....if you actually hook up, or get snagged, you arent going to be happy with me cause I cannot just slam on the brakes!
* If you are a guide, screw you! You turds keep vacuuming up all of our fish, and get money too! Greedy buggers!
* If drifting, try to be courteous to the bank fishermen, as they feel like *censored* seeing you come down the river in your fancy schmancy freaking meat tub! (You should hear what they say after you pass, it would make a trucker blush!)
* If drifting, do not come down the river to park the boat within casting distance of bank fishermen who were there first. Do not beach your boat next to me, jump out and start casting, since I am stuck on this freaking riverbend, and you can enjoy the whole damned river. Stretch your stiff legs somewhere else, you are really irritating.
* If bank fishing, stop throwing rocks at me as I drift by, I now carry a gun.
* All fishermen, do not runover and start frothing up the water as I beach another fish out of my honey hole, HOW RUDE IS THAT! I dont care if you were there first... :chuckle:
* No peeing in the river. Urine must be deposited atleast out of view of other fishermen.
* And on a more serious note, how about if we all make sure to pick up our trash, and maybe even a bit more each trip?
What Iceman said!
Post by: LongTatLaw on June 26, 2008, 12:42:05 AM
I guess me and Tmike have just been lucky. I can think of dozens of interactions of passing sleds and other floaters and a few bankers. All have been nice and polite and the only exchanges have been...Catching any? Thats it... on several different rivers. Then again, Tmike acted shocked a few times when we had a fish on and a sled stopped and waited not even casting clear down from our fight. So maybe Ive just been lucky??
Maybe Tmike is a very scary looking dude and no one wants the ass whoopin he can dish out :chuckle:
sucks ya ran into that Ray. Ive been lucky so far. :IBCOOL:
Post by: huntnphool on June 26, 2008, 10:00:58 PM
Just because you didnt touch their lines, doesnt mean you didnt run their water or float the seam where the fish are holding.
I stick to the larger rivers to run my sled to help avoid situations like this but even on the Cowlitz you come across drift boats that anchor in places that are going to create problems regardless which side you pass them on. Had an incident just a couple years ago where I was heading up river below Blue Creek and had about 6 other guides and privateers following in a single file line very close behind me when all of a sudden this guy in front of me decides to stop right on the turn at Blue Creek. He killed the throttle and threw it in reverse to stop quickly. His boat was a 16' open sled with very little freeboard, almost looked like a duck hunting boat. Anyway I had to choose which side to pass him on, the right side where all the bank fisherman were fishing or the left side which was the narrower of the two choices, between him and the VW Beetle size rocks. I slowed down as much as I could and still keep it on step, and proceeded past him with the other boats right on my ass passing him too. He yelled all the names in the book, gave me the middle finger salute and fired up his boat to go up river. When I got to the ramp I dropped off a friend that had to leave and let WF70 out to take a pee in the trees. Well this guy comes flying up the river screaming at the top of his lungs, things that would have shocked Lucifer himself. He ran his boat right up on the beach next to me and continued to yell obscenities to my grinning face, I think this pissed him off even more. Now keep in mind this was late December, snow on the bank, river temp about 38 degrees. I guess WF70 had got done peeing and had heard about all he was going to take. He came out of those trees dressed in street cloths and walked right into the river waist deep and got right in front of this guys bulging eyes :o He stuck his finger right between the guys eyes and said " If I hear just one more word out of your mouth, I am going to grab you buy the throat, drag you out of this boat and drown you right here in front of your friends", there were a couple other guys in his boat with him, neither of them said a word either, thank the lord.
Now I wasnt foloowing too close if thats what your thinking, I had plenty of time to stop my problem was the boats that were screaming up my backside. I was sure there would have been a major problem if I had thrown out the hook and did a nose dive, this is why I contimued around him. The other problem is if I had slowed down too much it would have made a much bigger wake and would surely have put several gallons of river water over the side of his boat, my sled makes less of a wake on step than slow.
Anyways my question is to the Professor. Since your seemingly the expert at the subject perhaps you could enlighten us all in the proper way to pass a anchored boat in the middle of a narrow river with guys fishing? I mean you are quick to point out all the things that were done wrong, how about bringing something positive to the discussion rather than creating "chaos" just a thought.
Post by: LongTatLaw on June 26, 2008, 10:43:45 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on June 26, 2008, 10:53:17 PM
Post by: huntnphool on June 26, 2008, 10:55:42 PM
huntnphool, I apologize for swearing so much. You scared my so bad cruising by like that, I pee'd my pants! :'(
LOL, if it were you we would have cracked a cold one and maybe caught a few fish. :chuckle:
Post by: sisu on June 27, 2008, 06:17:29 AM
Post by: Professor Chaos on June 27, 2008, 07:38:11 AM
All i am saying is that if Ray thought everyone on the river was being an *censored* to them, and he admitedly does not fish much, then there is the possibility that they were in the wrong or atleast not clued in to what they should do when passing someone else in a boat. Every situation is different but there are times to be close to the other boat, times to hug the far back and times to go between the shore and the boat.
Post by: Dman on June 27, 2008, 08:24:29 AM
Post by: Ray on June 27, 2008, 08:27:21 AM
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All i am saying is that if Ray thought everyone on the river was being an *censored* to them, and he admitedly does not fish much, then there is the possibility that they were in the wrong or atleast not clued in to what they should do when passing someone else in a boat.Incorrect statement. I never said everyone on the river was an *censored*. Specifically not "everyone" and not "*censored*".
Post by: sisu on June 27, 2008, 09:18:00 PM
corking(cutting of another boats line of travel while they are setting web)
running over web hoping like hell you don't get it tangled in your screw.
ramming other boats deliberately ...we never did this but I've been rammed so hard was was thrown from port to starboard
coming along side and bumping you as you are getting ready to throw web in a tight spot
You name it we've done it or had it done to us in The Bay during the red run. Big Money in the "old" days
But even with all the *censored* I described above IF someone were in trouble or a fishing vessel needed help everyone near by was there to assist. Tempers run hot for a spell but when disaster is at hand everyone knows it could be them. I think that is what sport fishermen don't think of. When the *censored* hits the fan who will be there for you?
Post by: huntnphool on June 27, 2008, 09:46:12 PM
Post by: chukar-ridge-quest on June 27, 2008, 10:29:26 PM
Post by: Head-shot on June 27, 2008, 11:42:43 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 28, 2008, 05:43:48 AM
OK, guys if you think *censored* hits the fan over sport fishing you ought to fish Bristol Bay's North Line near Egegik, Alaska. We've had things done to us and we've done things to others that you guys would freak out over.
corking(cutting of another boats line of travel while they are setting web)
running over web hoping like hell you don't get it tangled in your screw.
ramming other boats deliberately
You forgot the one boat that is deliberately assigned to "cork" and "ram" the new guy to make sure that they make no money.
Post by: sisu on June 28, 2008, 06:23:58 AM
Great picture by the way. Thanks for the post. I forgot you fished The Bay too. Remind me to tell ya the story of my pirate night while we were grounded.
Post by: fishseeker on June 28, 2008, 06:29:44 AM
Post by: huntnphool on June 28, 2008, 10:38:55 AM
Maybe I should just leave it parked in the yard and have a drink and look at it.
Ya good luck with that too, the neighbors would be screaming bloody hell your in violation of the CC&R's, I would post pics on here and sell it :lol4:
Jet Jockey huh, I didn't run him over, just came really close to giving him a bath :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on June 29, 2008, 01:26:10 PM
If operating a power-driven vessel, you must give way to:
Any vessel not under command, such as an anchored or disabled vessel
Any vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver, such as a vessel towing or laying cable, or a vessel constrained by its draft, such as a large ship in a channel
A vessel engaged in commercial fishing
A sailboat under sail unless it is overtaking
Never anchor in the shipping lanes for any reason.
I believe it is against the law to anchor up within the main channel of a navigable river?