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Post by: KillBilly on August 27, 2011, 05:16:24 PM
I would put it on the qtr that had the "proof of sex, naturally attached" on it. or you could take KillBilly's advice :chuckle: seriously it is in the regs. it has to be on the biggest prtion of meat.
It is one thing to tote a tagged head full of horns or a cows head for that matter out of the woods. But I just can't see toting their sex organs to prove anything. I have never done it and would only do it in the case of a bull/cow calf. I might take a cell cam pic for a gamie to look at and give him gps coords. I have never had an enforcement officer ask me for an animals proof of sex.
Post by: Hunterman on August 27, 2011, 05:21:40 PM
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Post by: steen on August 27, 2011, 06:10:41 PM
Post by: runningboard on August 27, 2011, 07:10:29 PM
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I put it on the antlers, then packed part of the meat out and couldn't get the antlers out til the next day so, thankgoodness, remembered to grab the tag and put it with the meat. Went back the next day and hauled out the head.this very question came up in the last Hunter Education class we did in Spokane Valley & whether it (tag) should be on 1st thing back to truck or last load, game agent said he didn't see how it would matter either way as long as it was on something at truck or on piece waiting to be brought out. so long as you have it before you drive away.
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Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 27, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
Must be securely attached to the carcass. If you kill a elk and you have your tag punched the gamewarden will not give you a hard time. make sure your tag is PUNCHED and you will be fine. If you are packing a elk out, make sure your tag is with the first pack that goes in your truck. I guarantee you if a warden is waiting at your truck and you have your tag punched with the first pack you will be fine. :tup:PUNCH TAG !! :twocents:
I always punch my tag, then stuff it inside the mouth on a cow, or around the antler of a bull, then wrap the crap out of the snout, or antler with duct tape.
I then pack out only meat, hide, head, so it is with the largest portion that can have evidence of sex attached.
Never had a problem, actually the few times I have been stopped, they just asked me if it was notched, I showed them my license, told them where it was,
they said thank you, and congratulations ! :hello:
Post by: MtnMuley on August 27, 2011, 10:13:07 PM
Post by: elkslayer069 on August 28, 2011, 12:05:47 AM
If gammie don't like that he cans kiss me were the good lord split me..:yeah:
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Post by: MADMAX on August 28, 2011, 05:13:35 AM
In my pocket :sry:
Same here
Post by: Curly on August 28, 2011, 05:42:40 AM
Must be securely attached to the carcass. If you kill a elk and you have your tag punched the gamewarden will not give you a hard time. make sure your tag is PUNCHED and you will be fine. If you are packing a elk out, make sure your tag is with the first pack that goes in your truck. I guarantee you if a warden is waiting at your truck and you have your tag punched with the first pack you will be fine. :tup:PUNCH TAG !! :twocents:
I always punch my tag, then stuff it inside the mouth on a cow, or around the antler of a bull, then wrap the crap out of the snout, or antler with duct tape.
I then pack out only meat, hide, head, so it is with the largest portion that can have evidence of sex attached.
Never had a problem, actually the few times I have been stopped, they just asked me if it was notched, I showed them my license, told them where it was,
they said thank you, and congratulations ! :hello:
Do you pack out the head of a cow?
Post by: ICEMAN on August 28, 2011, 06:09:02 AM
I would put it on the qtr that had the "proof of sex, naturally attached" on it. or you could take KillBilly's advice :chuckle: seriously it is in the regs. it has to be on the biggest prtion of meat.
It is one thing to tote a tagged head full of horns or a cows head for that matter out of the woods. But I just can't see toting their sex organs to prove anything. I have never done it and would only do it in the case of a bull/cow calf. I might take a cell cam pic for a gamie to look at and give him gps coords. I have never had an enforcement officer ask me for an animals proof of sex.
Agree.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 28, 2011, 10:53:33 AM
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Do you pack out the head of a cow?I do.
I try to get the animal gutted, and skinned, quarters hung in game bags, ASAP, then first trip out is head and hide.
get my pack frame (I hunt with day pack) and bone out meat, get it to cooler, takes me 6 trips by myself to get an Elk out.
so getting the meat cooling and hanging is my #1 priority.
I also like to practice caping, in case I ever get a bull I want mounted.
I dont get to kill very many Elk, so I try to make the most out of each one...
Post by: et1702 on August 29, 2011, 08:44:25 AM
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Post by: Bustyn on August 29, 2011, 01:39:14 PM
It is one thing to tote a tagged head full of horns or a cows head for that matter out of the woods. But I just can't see toting their sex organs to prove anything. I have never done it and would only do it in the case of a bull/cow calf. I might take a cell cam pic for a gamie to look at and give him gps coords. I have never had an enforcement officer ask me for an animals proof of sex.
Without proof of sex the game officers cannot tell if your game is legal or not. Someone could shoot a large bull in a spike/cow only area, leave the horns, and claim that it was a cow.
Had a conversation with a game enforcement officer about this a couple weeks ago. He said they are starting to be sticklers about this, especially since they busted those guys near Yakima trying to pull a fast one. I guess there was a group of guys hauling coolers full of elk meat out of the mountains, but no evidence of sex and no heads. Anyway, the tags were all there and notched, but without proof of sex the enforcement officer couldn't tell if the elk were legal or not. Long story short, after interviewing everyone the lies didn't match, someone confessed, the guys were busted, and the meat was confiscated.
Personally, I would much rather pack out a mammary gland than a cow or doe head. It's really no trouble to make another cut and throw it in with the rest of the meat.
Post by: Curly on August 29, 2011, 01:43:08 PM
Personally, I would much rather pack out a mammary gland than a cow or doe head. It's really no trouble to make another cut and throw it in with the rest of the meat.
Evidence of sex is supposed to be "naturally attached".......
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Post by: et1702 on August 30, 2011, 01:14:43 PM
Post by: Miles on August 30, 2011, 01:19:46 PM
But, a cow or doe head doesn't really prove that you don't have a bull or buck mixed in there somewhere.
Neither does having the sex organs on one piece of meat...
Post by: et1702 on August 30, 2011, 01:28:22 PM
Sure it does, if you had to you could lay out each piece of meat and show the officer that it was just one animal.
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 30, 2011, 02:13:11 PM
If quartered, the tag must remain on the largest portion of the carcass. P. 71 of the regs.Close.
It actually says: If quartered, the tag should remain with the carcass or largest portion of the carcass.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 30, 2011, 02:14:05 PM
If quartered, the tag must remain on the largest portion of the carcass. P. 71 of the regs.Close.
It actually says: If quartered, the tag should remain with the carcass or largest portion of the carcass.
Ah, useful information. Interesting slant!
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 30, 2011, 02:18:04 PM
Yup.If quartered, the tag must remain on the largest portion of the carcass. P. 71 of the regs.Close.
It actually says: If quartered, the tag should remain with the carcass or largest portion of the carcass.
Ah, useful information. Interesting slant!
You could hang your tag on one of the lower legs that you just whacked off at the knee caps and still be legal. As long as that lower leg "remains with the carcass."
I personally, wouldn't push that. I leave it attached to the head somewhere until I got home then shove it in the freezer when I'm done cutting and wrapping.
Post by: jackmaster on August 30, 2011, 02:18:51 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 30, 2011, 02:25:34 PM
Wyoming requires you to keep your tag on your person until you are done with the pack out. Then it gets attached to the carcass. Yes, any part of the carcass. He happened to be driving by as I just returned to my truck with load 2, a front quarter. The head was already back. We bs'd for a few. Then he sprung the semi trick question. "I don't see your tag on the head anywhere."
Thats because it's in my pack until I'm done with the pack out. We both got a chuckle out of his question.
He didn't even ask to see a license or the tag. Talked for a half hour or so and gave me the congrats and have a nice day.
Post by: jackmaster on August 30, 2011, 03:13:22 PM
Post by: Miles on August 30, 2011, 10:14:26 PM
"Neither does having the sex organs on one piece of meat..."
Sure it does, if you had to you could lay out each piece of meat and show the officer that it was just one animal.
Who's to say I didn't shoot an animal and bring all the meat home except for the portion with the sex organs attached, and then came back and harvested another deer? It's no different than having a head in camp to prove the sex of the deer. They just try to add in a double check system to further deter that type of action. It doesn't prove that the rest of the meat came off the same animal just because I left a scrotum hanging off one piece of meat, just the same as having one head in camp doesn't prove anything. It just makes it a pain in the ass for us as hunters to decipher what it is they want us to do in order to avoid being ticketed.
Post by: Alan K on August 30, 2011, 10:27:52 PM
"Neither does having the sex organs on one piece of meat..."
Sure it does, if you had to you could lay out each piece of meat and show the officer that it was just one animal.
Who's to say I didn't shoot an animal and bring all the meat home except for the portion with the sex organs attached, and then came back and harvested another deer? It's no different than having a head in camp to prove the sex of the deer. They just try to add in a double check system to further deter that type of action. It doesn't prove that the rest of the meat came off the same animal just because I left a scrotum hanging off one piece of meat, just the same as having one head in camp doesn't prove anything. It just makes it a pain in the ass for us as hunters to decipher what it is they want us to do in order to avoid being ticketed.
:yeah:
It all boils down to honesty. You could go poach an animal and get away with it 99% of the time as far as I'm concerned, but HONESTY is what keeps us all from doing it. I think the head is plenty evidence, anything more than that is just another pain in the ass like you say, and doesn't truly accomplish anything.
Post by: Bustyn on August 31, 2011, 08:11:28 AM
see thats the part that bugs me i figure that as long as i notch the tag upon the kill i should be able to put it in my pocket so it dont get lost on one of the many trips it takes to pack out an elk and then once the big ole elk is safely in the back of the rig then you put the tag on it,
The fish and game officer that spoke at my son's Hunter Education course this year said that this is acceptable. The teacher of the class said it was the recommended method, and the way that he usually does it. If the tag is notched and in your possession, I don't think you'll have any issues with an officer that encounters you during your pack out.
Post by: Curly on August 31, 2011, 08:18:15 AM
see thats the part that bugs me i figure that as long as i notch the tag upon the kill i should be able to put it in my pocket so it dont get lost on one of the many trips it takes to pack out an elk and then once the big ole elk is safely in the back of the rig then you put the tag on it,
The fish and game officer that spoke at my son's Hunter Education course this year said that this is acceptable. The teacher of the class said it was the recommended method, and the way that he usually does it. If the tag is notched and in your possession, I don't think you'll have any issues with an officer that encounters you during your pack out.
Maybe acceptable to that particular officer, but another officer maybe has a different idea and may go strictly by what it says in the regs. I place to the tag with the largest portion of the carcass per what is stated in the regs so as not to get nailed on a technicality.