Post by: wabassguy1 on September 01, 2011, 02:18:09 PM
http://nrd.colvilletribes.com/2011/2011-6-6/2011_Final_Member_Hunting_Regulations_4_19_11.pdf (http://nrd.colvilletribes.com/2011/2011-6-6/2011_Final_Member_Hunting_Regulations_4_19_11.pdf)
Check out page 14 that is the deer regs.. June 1 - Dec 31, 2 per day daily limit, no possession limit.
Not sure if how many people actually knew this or not thought it might be interesting to hear about for those of you that did not know.
Post by: Raul Duke on September 01, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 01, 2011, 03:29:01 PM
And the other thing I just found out that they can hunt non tribal land all the way to Canada.
Thoses are their conceded land which is land they say thier ancestors hunted back 200+ years ago. That is why the Yakama's can hunt the Clockium. Here is a map of Ceeded lands of the Indian Treaty of 1855.http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/tribal/wa_tribal_ceeded_lands.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/tribal/wa_tribal_ceeded_lands.pdf) I think the Colville tribe has a different Treaty with the State.
They have limit in the Northern half of the rez. It is 2 per day and only 3 for the whole season.
Also it has a different season it is shorter.
This is what I find odd in the Hunting Regs:
They can use artifical light while hunting Skunks? :puke:
They can hunt Elk with Shotguns.
No bag limit on Black Bear, Grouse and Turkey on all the South Half of the Rez?
I think they manage there animals better than other tribes around the Northwest.
Post by: bobcat on September 01, 2011, 03:31:32 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on September 01, 2011, 03:34:47 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on September 01, 2011, 03:38:47 PM
no bag limit because there are absolutly TONS of bear and turkey on the rez... i dont know anyone that really grouse hunts too much there so maybe thats whey there are no bag limits for them..
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 01, 2011, 03:39:44 PM
Here we go again. :beatdeadhorse:
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 01, 2011, 03:49:39 PM
"No bag limit on Black Bear, Grouse and Turkey on all the South Half of the Rez?"
no bag limit because there are absolutly TONS of bear and turkey on the rez... i dont know anyone that really grouse hunts too much there so maybe thats whey there are no bag limits for them..
hmm I didn't know that I wasn't saying it as a bad thing it was odd to me. It really threw me about the skunks thou.
I do like that they can kill as many badgers as they want and that they still use dogs to hunt Cougars. :tup:
Post by: Raul Duke on September 01, 2011, 04:01:58 PM
Nothing really new to see in that pdf.
Here we go again. :beatdeadhorse:
:yeah:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on September 01, 2011, 04:04:16 PM
Post by: cjensen on September 01, 2011, 04:06:42 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 01, 2011, 08:13:25 PM
Post by: Special T on September 01, 2011, 08:44:51 PM
Post by: wabassguy1 on September 02, 2011, 07:52:29 AM
As for animals in the 6 months i have been here I can say i have only seen about 4 deer out there. But I am not out really looking for them.
Post by: high country on September 02, 2011, 08:45:35 AM
I need me a blue card.
Post by: wabassguy1 on September 02, 2011, 09:00:27 AM
i laughed at the last page, where a tag was filled out "john doe".....there is a really good chance there is an indian named that.
I need me a blue card.
LMAO.. Im sure there is..
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 02, 2011, 09:12:56 AM
i laughed at the last page, where a tag was filled out "john doe".....there is a really good chance there is an indian named that.
I need me a blue card.
LMAO.. Im sure there is..
Probably not but I heard of a guy named john elk, real name.
Post by: superdown on September 02, 2011, 09:23:30 AM
I went to school in Idaho with a Nez perce guy with the last name slickpoo :chuckle: nice guy just a funny last name.i laughed at the last page, where a tag was filled out "john doe".....there is a really good chance there is an indian named that.
I need me a blue card.
LMAO.. Im sure there is..
Probably not but I heard of a guy named john elk, real name.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 02, 2011, 09:30:22 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 02, 2011, 09:44:23 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 02, 2011, 09:47:40 AM
There are at least two John Doe (s) in the Yakima valley. Not sure what race they are.Are they in the morgue :chuckle:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on September 02, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Tags and a license is not investment any more than buying a car makes you a shareholder. (And then with a car you actually get something.) A Licence and Tags means you are legal to drive.
It's just something to think about. (Don't hate the player hate the Game.)
Post by: Glockster on September 02, 2011, 02:20:26 PM
Post by: The100Road on September 02, 2011, 03:45:42 PM
This is part of what I think hunting will be in the future. WDFW is very tight about limits of Big Game with General Season. It's not going to change. They are a "Wildlife" Agency not a "Game" Agency. It also seems there are a lot of "drivers" (guys with guns in their car and hope in their heart) that never get an animal and then those who know where and how to punch a tag. If you look outside of Washington there are a great number of incredible hunting opportunities. If you look at it as a business, one owner does not want your business, the owner of another business (actually has a Game Department) & wants your business. Why do we keep wanting to shop exclusively at the business that is closer & mismanaged for our needs? Have we complained to management or Headquarters that we are being mistreated? The majority of us don't. Our time and treasure is to important to share. We refuse to give one dime to work for a better business, or work for change in management but we will drop hundreds or even thousands at the mismanaged shop and wonder why they keep off course? Then we whine about the special interests that get better deals than the general shopper, (who refuses to invest.) You should ask, do they invest? Do they work for a better deal for themselves? Answer, you bet they do.
Tags and a license is not investment any more than buying a car makes you a shareholder. (And then with a car you actually get something.) A Licence and Tags means you are legal to drive.
It's just something to think about. (Don't hate the player hate the Game.)
:yeah:
Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 02, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on September 02, 2011, 04:45:15 PM
they are all poachers in my book POACHERS
They are not all poachers. I can understand the argument that it is wrong that when they do take game out of their season there is often little punishment. But to call them all poachers isn't helpful. There are Tribal people on this site that are against many of the same things we are. It is not helpful to disrespect ALL of them. We need the good Tribal members to make things better.
Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 02, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
Post by: inchtowntracking on September 02, 2011, 10:45:06 PM
As for animals in the 6 months i have been here I can say i have only seen about 4 deer out there. But I am not out really looking for them.
Thats because you live on the wrong side of the hill, your side has way to many predators. Since I started working for the Natural Resource Enforcement I have noticed that there are a ton of coyotes and a ton of bear from Keller over. In Inchelium our predators are managed more and we actually get to see some deer.
Post by: inchtowntracking on September 02, 2011, 10:48:44 PM
they are not gonna make anything better, they can all do whatever they want in the woods cause of some crap that happend 200 years ago, get over it we all need to follow the same rules its racist i just say they arepoachers cause they can hunt when i cant with no special permit
Your silly!!! We are pretty much our own government here, think of it like a state in a state. To me it is like being mad at idaho for having a wolf hunting season when we dont.
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 03, 2011, 01:41:58 AM
Your silly!!! We are pretty much our own government here, think of it like a state in a state. To me it is like being mad at idaho for having a wolf hunting season when we dont.
If you start getting a wolf population do you know it the tribe will hunt them like in Idaho?
Post by: inchtowntracking on September 03, 2011, 07:58:55 AM
Post by: Harstine Hunter on October 12, 2011, 11:25:43 PM
There used to be tons of deer. It would be nothing for us to see 25-30 deer in a day. On opening weekend, we'd have 3 or 4 bucks hanging. No more.
The tribes can shoot does and fawns. When you shoot a doe, think how many potential offspring you are eliminating. That's wrong. The herds are not in good shape in my opinion. Stop shooting does!
Post by: PolarBear on October 12, 2011, 11:29:40 PM
Post by: Harstine Hunter on October 13, 2011, 06:09:58 AM
I'm not paying $26. This will probably be the year that a cougar runs in front of me, though. I'm also hearing reports of wolves in this unit now. At least Idaho knows how to deal with them. I doubt that WDFW will take the same approach. Good luck on Saturday, guys!
Post by: JoeE on October 13, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
Post by: Huntbear on October 13, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
they are all poachers in my book POACHERS
They are not all poachers. I can understand the argument that it is wrong that when they do take game out of their season there is often little punishment. But to call them all poachers isn't helpful. There are Tribal people on this site that are against many of the same things we are. It is not helpful to disrespect ALL of them. We need the good Tribal members to make things better.
Wenatcheejay, I am not being a smart ass here or being disrespectful,, just asking the question...
so are the "good Tribal members" actually trying to make things better? Or do they turn a blind eye, and a deaf ear to the wanton slaughter of animals in certain areas? I ask because I was always told, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: PolarBear on October 13, 2011, 11:25:43 AM
I've spent a lot of time throughout my life on and around the Colville Reservation and I have never once seen "a truck with 6 or 8 does and little bucks piled in the back of a tribal member's truck".... I guess it sounds better to exaggerate the truth. Anyway, the deer are doing as well in Ferry County as they are in the rest of the state. People just want something to complain about as to why they don't see any deer so obviously, it must be the tribes fault.It is absolutely not an "exaggeration"! I as well as many of my cousins and my hunting buddy (who happens to live on a forrest service road near the rez line in Republic) have all seen it with our own eyes on several occasions. A couple friends of our who own orchards in Chelan have told us about the Colvilles showing up to their farms with deer stacked like cord wood in the back looking to sell them to his workers. It is not just some isolated incident or "exaggerated truth". The declining deer population in some areas is NOT solely because of the tribes, there are a ton of other factors, non tribal poaching, predators, weather etc, but the tribes are a contributor to the problem.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 11:47:23 AM
they are all poachers in my book POACHERS
They are not all poachers. I can understand the argument that it is wrong that when they do take game out of their season there is often little punishment. But to call them all poachers isn't helpful. There are Tribal people on this site that are against many of the same things we are. It is not helpful to disrespect ALL of them. We need the good Tribal members to make things better.
Wenatcheejay, I am not being a smart ass here or being disrespectful,, just asking the question...
so are the "good Tribal members" actually trying to make things better? Or do they turn a blind eye, and a deaf ear to the wanton slaughter of animals in certain areas? I ask because I was always told, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. :dunno: :dunno:
Yes there are those of us who are trying to do something about those that abuse their rights by breaking the law. For example the Hanford Bulls. The second I start asking for information from other forum members on here one of them comes on here and says "somebody is snooping around, asking questions and trying to build a case against them and I don't trust him so I didn't tell him much."
That was me and I'm the bad guy? I have tried to find out from forum members and people here back home to figure out if any laws were broken but I haven't been able to pinpoint an exact location other than near the 240 road and nobody has yet to come forward and say if they were shot north or south. Other than close to Hanford or near it.
I heard it with my own ears and read it with my own eyes and know where we can't hunt down there and if they broke the law then they should be turned over to law enforcement. Incidents involving Tribal Members over the course of this year have been looked into by myself and several others but as long as they are not breaking the law then there is nothing anybody can do.
If somebody saw them hunting down there, took pictures, video taped it or found gut piles and could prove those are the Tribal kills, I would be more than happy to assist with turning over evidence to Law Enforcement, I've said it before and I've said it again.
I know for a fact that I confirmed just recently that the same boy that killed Mr. Mass and is seen in a picture holding the rack is 1 of 3 Tribal Members that BONE seen entering Yakima on 1st street back in early summer with a possible 400" bull in velvet in the back of a red chevy truck. I've confirmed that for sure but, again didn't break any laws so they couldn't be prosecuted.
Post by: coachcw on October 13, 2011, 12:39:56 PM
Post by: mrmoskillz on October 13, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Post by: longknife on October 13, 2011, 01:05:26 PM
Lets face it they have been here since the beging of time and hunting privleges and small pieces of land is a small price to pay for all the damage that has been done. Also all the tribal people I know care more about the evironment and wildlife than most others. Not trying to start a war but it is not right to single out a single race.
So its ok to be racist, and allow a diffrent race do what they please, but others are not allowed?
It takes more than a couple GOOD apples, to make a bad bunch better!
And NO, these people that are living on Rez land, were not here 200 years ago! They had respect, and PRIDE! Theres no way casinos are going to bring it back!
Get documentation of everything, pics, video, for evidence for TV news! we are living in a age where this is easy, and accessable, use it to our advantage! Show the nation whats going on!
Post by: hunter360 on October 13, 2011, 01:42:39 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 13, 2011, 01:48:34 PM
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Lets face it they have been here since the beging of time and hunting privleges and small pieces of land is a small price to pay for all the damage that has been done.
Do you really think if the Europeans hadn't come over here when they did, and settled on this continent, that the native people would still be living today just as they did 500 years ago? If we didn't do it, somebody else would have. Come on, be realistic. Besides I don't believe that they got their land taken from them, as they never owned it in the first place. They were just temporarily camping out on it.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 13, 2011, 01:50:24 PM
I could see this on the reservation: Dude, I got a deer today!........Only one??? You're a loser!!:lol4: LMAO
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 02:03:31 PM
I've spent a lot of time throughout my life on and around the Colville Reservation and I have never once seen "a truck with 6 or 8 does and little bucks piled in the back of a tribal member's truck".... I guess it sounds better to exaggerate the truth. Anyway, the deer are doing as well in Ferry County as they are in the rest of the state. People just want something to complain about as to why they don't see any deer so obviously, it must be the tribes fault.It is absolutely not an "exaggeration"! I as well as many of my cousins and my hunting buddy (who happens to live on a forrest service road near the rez line in Republic) have all seen it with our own eyes on several occasions. A couple friends of our who own orchards in Chelan have told us about the Colvilles showing up to their farms with deer stacked like cord wood in the back looking to sell them to his workers. It is not just some isolated incident or "exaggerated truth". The declining deer population in some areas is NOT solely because of the tribes, there are a ton of other factors, non tribal poaching, predators, weather etc, but the tribes are a contributor to the problem.
I used this pic from a buddy of mine and I would appreciate it if he keep quiet for a bit and some of you older members might have seen this before. Just wanted to know what you guys thought about a good morning hunt?
Post by: bearmanric on October 13, 2011, 02:20:37 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 13, 2011, 02:24:38 PM
Post by: mrmoskillz on October 13, 2011, 02:40:48 PM
Post by: longknife on October 13, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
Looks like four deer to me...the legal limit for two huntersI see 5
Post by: mrmoskillz on October 13, 2011, 02:43:36 PM
Post by: mrmoskillz on October 13, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 03:39:37 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 03:45:13 PM
I've spent a lot of time throughout my life on and around the Colville Reservation and I have never once seen "a truck with 6 or 8 does and little bucks piled in the back of a tribal member's truck".... I guess it sounds better to exaggerate the truth. Anyway, the deer are doing as well in Ferry County as they are in the rest of the state. People just want something to complain about as to why they don't see any deer so obviously, it must be the tribes fault.It is absolutely not an "exaggeration"! I as well as many of my cousins and my hunting buddy (who happens to live on a forrest service road near the rez line in Republic) have all seen it with our own eyes on several occasions. A couple friends of our who own orchards in Chelan have told us about the Colvilles showing up to their farms with deer stacked like cord wood in the back looking to sell them to his workers. It is not just some isolated incident or "exaggerated truth". The declining deer population in some areas is NOT solely because of the tribes, there are a ton of other factors, non tribal poaching, predators, weather etc, but the tribes are a contributor to the problem.
I used this pic from a buddy of mine and I would appreciate it if he keep quiet for a bit and some of you older members might have seen this before. Just wanted to know what you guys thought about a good morning hunt?
OK don't let your mind wander. I didn't get the response I thought I would. Them deer were taken by non-Tribal members with tags.
Post by: bobcat on October 13, 2011, 03:48:57 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
It was obvious that the picture wasn't of tribal members' deer- the "Bowtech" sticker on the truck was a dead giveaway. I've never heard of any "modern" indians doing their killing with a bow and arrow. Kind of ironic, isn't it?I know several that hunt with a bow.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 03:53:19 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 13, 2011, 03:58:07 PM
Didn't get the responce you were looking for? That said it looks like bow hunters or people who had doe tags. My camp this year will have to muley does hanging from the pole.I've spent a lot of time throughout my life on and around the Colville Reservation and I have never once seen "a truck with 6 or 8 does and little bucks piled in the back of a tribal member's truck".... I guess it sounds better to exaggerate the truth. Anyway, the deer are doing as well in Ferry County as they are in the rest of the state. People just want something to complain about as to why they don't see any deer so obviously, it must be the tribes fault.It is absolutely not an "exaggeration"! I as well as many of my cousins and my hunting buddy (who happens to live on a forrest service road near the rez line in Republic) have all seen it with our own eyes on several occasions. A couple friends of our who own orchards in Chelan have told us about the Colvilles showing up to their farms with deer stacked like cord wood in the back looking to sell them to his workers. It is not just some isolated incident or "exaggerated truth". The declining deer population in some areas is NOT solely because of the tribes, there are a ton of other factors, non tribal poaching, predators, weather etc, but the tribes are a contributor to the problem.
I used this pic from a buddy of mine and I would appreciate it if he keep quiet for a bit and some of you older members might have seen this before. Just wanted to know what you guys thought about a good morning hunt?
OK don't let your mind wander. I didn't get the response I thought I would. Them deer were taken by non-Tribal members with tags.
Post by: colockumelk on October 13, 2011, 04:07:17 PM
Post by: JoeE on October 13, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 13, 2011, 04:11:55 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 04:14:49 PM
That was definately done by the Yakamas at the firing center. 8) And they definately are pretty skilled at deer hunting. :chuckle:
That must have been the last five deer.
Post by: JoeE on October 13, 2011, 04:17:20 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 04:25:48 PM
We have had 6 bucks piled up in the back of a truck coming home from Republic before. Got a lot of thumbs up on the way back to the wet side and a few dirty looks. The difference is that it was obvious that we weren't tribal "hunters". The trucks that I speak of with deer piled in them were driven by well known tribal members with tribal decals all over the rig. There was no doubt what was going on. Sometime ask the guy on the Keller Ferry about how many truck loads of tribal killed deer go across there.
So as long as I continue to drive a brand new Tacoma I'm in disguise? That's funny because I got a new north river boat and was trolling just past the bridge at Drano and and the game dep called me over to ticket me even said I got you. lol got me what? They said its closed out here. So I showed them my ID and they said they didn't recognize me. So I asked what I need a fiber glass patched boat and you would recognize me.
Post by: PolarBear on October 13, 2011, 04:30:37 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
I'm incognito with them because all I have to do to is take down my feathers from the rear view and you'd assume it wasn't a tribal members truck. I've heard it on here and in the public, "you can spot an Indian truck because there old and beat up." I've had game officers pull up and ask me a million questions about my intentions and my truck and after a while when they realized I don't have warrants, I'm not drunk nor have any alcohol in my truck and its not stolen they finally let me go after killing almost an hour.
Last year when I and the family and my father came out with a couple of deer a WSP trooper was passing me and then he noticed we looked "SUSPICIOUS" :dunno: so he slammed on his brakes and got behind us and started running my plates and followed me from a few miles west of Yakima to the exit leading to highway 97 and finally stopped following us.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 13, 2011, 04:49:27 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 04:50:16 PM
I even let him search my truck, camp and coolers just so I could prove to him we don't have alcohol nor do we drink. I wasted over half an hour debating with him about regs until he finally gave up when I pulled out my copy I had in my truck that didn't contain alcohol.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 04:57:08 PM
The picture below was I, my fathers harvest and yes my family was with me. That was for the whole year last year. I harvested 2 does and one buck and my father (who hadn't hunted in almost 13 years) harvested 1 doe. 1 doe went to my grandmothers household, 1 doe to my mother-in-laws household and the buck stayed in my household.
These were at the end of Oct. and that was the last time we went up hunting until a couple of weeks ago. My father has yet to harvest anything this year while I "tagged" out already.
I blacked out my father because he doesn't need to be involved in my business and I don't think he would like his picture floating around the net.
Those deer were harvested legally and not on some reserve, winter feeding ground or feed station so please don't compare me to the lazy tribal hunters that do break the law doing that type of stuff.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 13, 2011, 05:24:08 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 13, 2011, 06:46:50 PM
I got a bowteck sticker in my window guess the guy that had the truck before me was a bow hunter.
WOW :yike: :yeah: you see that sticker everyday still cant read it huh?
Post by: bearmanric on October 13, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
Post by: Cap.Silver on October 13, 2011, 07:40:10 PM
a/do HOLOCUAST families children get credit cards without a fees or other perks from US government ?
b/becuase my father was an engineer ,got fired ,do I get right to take 8 yards of free dirt from the mine ?
I'm not a racist ,but it seems like every other nation is .
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 13, 2011, 08:08:15 PM
As for Indians using bows, we have a good number of people that use them. Some of them don't even use a gun because they said it is to easy since they have killed everything with a bow and want the challenge. For our bow tags you have to pass an efficiency test to even get one. I am not sure if WA or any other place even does that. We have our rules were there is no limit on deer but we don't have as many hunters and those that do hunt, hunt for those that cant. Last year I killed ten deer but everyone of those went to a family that was in need and didn't have someone to hunt for them. I didn't just go out and slaughter, when I was asked if I could get a deer I would go out and shoot one. I skinned and deboned all of those deer and gave the meat away to who needed it. This year I have shot 4 and all those have been taken care of, I have been asked to help the Senior meal site because they have had budget problems and need meat. I do shoot a lot but it is because I help other people.
Our tribe does an awesome job of managing its wild life. I talked with our director and he even said that because of our programs we have that it has helped the salmon population in our area. We have laws that make sense and and work for our tribe.
My question is if you guys was told go for it shoot as many deer as you want how many would you kill just one or two or more?
Post by: Gringo31 on October 13, 2011, 08:08:52 PM
This was in last weeks Yakima paper in regard to deer hunting "opportunity".
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Our area used to be one of the most popular and productive for deer, but the population of mule deer crashed about five years ago and has not come back.
“It has been bouncing around,” Department of Fish and Wildlife biologist Jeff Bernatowicz said of the local deer population. “There may be a slight increase in the population, but it is nothing significant. I’m not real optimistic about the deer season.”
Hunters in Population Management Unit (PMU) 33, which encompasses Yakima County, have had the poorest success rate in the state for deer, Bernatowicz said.
On top of that, Muckleshoot tribal hunters harvested 130 bucks in the Yakima area last fall and winter. Muckleshoot tribal regulations don’t include antler restrictions, so many of the younger bucks — which would make up the 3-point or better bucks this year — just won’t be there for hunters this year.
“I would say that hunters could go probably anywhere else and have more chance of success,” Bernatowicz said.
Again, to someone who doesn't know you have to ask just how many bucks were available? Why the the mucks on this side of the mountains when they are from the West side? Why not hunt the rez? How does their harvest rate affect long term population goals? Is it about harvesting what you can or sustaining a wildlife population that we all are a part of managing?
And the head scratching and general frustration continues....
Post by: Gringo31 on October 13, 2011, 08:11:42 PM
When we hear "it's illegal" to do so in regard to tribal law....we never hear of what the consequences are. I personally get the feeling that there is no major effort on enforcement. But, like I said, I know next to nothing about the interworking relations within a tribe.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 13, 2011, 08:19:11 PM
My question is if you guys was told go for it shoot as many deer as you want how many would you kill just one or two or more?:hello: I would. But it wouldn't last for long because most people I know would shoot even more, and they shoot does and immature bucks.
Post by: longknife on October 13, 2011, 08:32:30 PM
Thats the problem, when they get refered to other tribal members, it gets swept under the carpet!
GO PUBLIC FIRST!!
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 13, 2011, 08:38:46 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on October 13, 2011, 08:53:15 PM
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if there is factual evidence then it gets taken care of.
Again, I'd like to know what this means. IF there is a "crime" what is the time?
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 13, 2011, 09:02:59 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 09:21:27 PM
Hey Yak that was my truck and it was in montana! They state of montana allows you up to 7 doe's a piece. There were 3 of us. I would appreciate it if you would not compare that to some guys driving around shooting deer on the winter range trying to survive (super hunters) because there is a big difference. Those deer in my truck were taken legally with a tag that was bought and paid for. They were also skinned deboned and put in coolers not hanging out of the truck for the world to see!
Sorry if you took it wrong I msg your bro I thought it was his truck and I also stated latter that they were taken legal and they were not Tribal kills. But I do know how you feel because you or your bro I don't remember made some comments that could have affected me financially and the comments were not close to been true. Your truck was just used for and example that just because you see something don't be assuming. I didn't say they were Indian kills or that they were out of season or their was anything illegal about it. sorry if you felt I was calling you out that their was anything wrong with your pic.
Post by: elkonastick on October 13, 2011, 10:01:43 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on October 13, 2011, 11:48:46 PM
I need to marry me a nice Indian gal. :tung:
I did and all I can say is be carefull what you wish for!
Black eye and a hickie = Indian love :chuckle:
I still love her though
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 14, 2011, 06:47:52 AM
if i had the same hunting rights as natives i would without a doubt keep a generous amount of meat in the freezer, i cant get mad at somebody for doing something that they are allowed to do. a native can wake up in his house to coffee that was set to brew at the same time his alarm went off, warm up the truck and grab his rifle and swarovski optics then head off to their ancestors hunting grounds 100 miles away. it will take about an hour and a half to get there maybe 2 if they stop for gas and a mcgriddle, charge the cell phone on the way and crank the tunes, holding on to that native way of life right? natives should never be told how to manage game on the reservations but it is total BS to let them have free reign to go pop a big bull in the collockum and sell the horns when i have to pay up just to put my name in a hat and then get a not selected post card year after year. to give them more rights then i have because my ancestors did their anscestors dirty doesn't make any cense to me. i cant go pick up arrowheads in vantage and sell them but they can make profit from the elk herd that i have to pay to hunt for two weeks out of the year with everyone else in the state willing to pay up for a true spike. american history is violent and cruel but i guess i just dont feel like i owe you anything. if we can have a black president, women and yes even natives can vote and in this day and age all people are supposed to be equal then why does "i was here first" give you more rights than me. god bless america?
Sounds like you should be mad at the state for their regulations, it sounds like you have a problem with them. Why dont we start a thread on how unfair the state is instead of attacking a group that has something that you want. Start a constructive thread that can come up with ideas to show your law makers to get it changed for the better.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 14, 2011, 07:06:05 AM
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 14, 2011, 07:39:21 AM
I need to marry me a nice Indian gal. :tung:
I did and all I can say is be carefull what you wish for!
Black eye and a hickie = Indian love :chuckle:
I still love her though
Indian girls are a mean bunch. Date at your own risk.
Post by: Guy on October 14, 2011, 07:41:38 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 14, 2011, 08:21:20 AM
I need to marry me a nice Indian gal. :tung:
I did and all I can say is be carefull what you wish for!
Black eye and a hickie = Indian love :chuckle:
I still love her though
Indian girls are a mean bunch. Date at your own risk.
:yeah: :lol4: :lol4: :lol4: Don't find one that's bigger than you or she'll be doing this for the rest of your life :spank_butt: I take that back they all do that regardless. Gotta love them though!
Post by: Huntbear on October 14, 2011, 08:27:26 AM
if i had the same hunting rights as natives i would without a doubt keep a generous amount of meat in the freezer, i cant get mad at somebody for doing something that they are allowed to do. a native can wake up in his house to coffee that was set to brew at the same time his alarm went off, warm up the truck and grab his rifle and swarovski optics then head off to their ancestors hunting grounds 100 miles away. it will take about an hour and a half to get there maybe 2 if they stop for gas and a mcgriddle, charge the cell phone on the way and crank the tunes, holding on to that native way of life right? natives should never be told how to manage game on the reservations but it is total BS to let them have free reign to go pop a big bull in the collockum and sell the horns when i have to pay up just to put my name in a hat and then get a not selected post card year after year. to give them more rights then i have because my ancestors did their anscestors dirty doesn't make any cense to me. i cant go pick up arrowheads in vantage and sell them but they can make profit from the elk herd that i have to pay to hunt for two weeks out of the year with everyone else in the state willing to pay up for a true spike. american history is violent and cruel but i guess i just dont feel like i owe you anything. if we can have a black president, women and yes even natives can vote and in this day and age all people are supposed to be equal then why does "i was here first" give you more rights than me. god bless america?
Sounds like you should be mad at the state for their regulations, it sounds like you have a problem with them. Why dont we start a thread on how unfair the state is instead of attacking a group that has something that you want. Start a constructive thread that can come up with ideas to show your law makers to get it changed for the better.
Nice thought there Inchtown, but the reality is, until the tribes and or Federal Government are willing to tear up the treaties, and then be on equal footing with everyone else, and not have special rights, then nothing will or can be done to change it for the better.. .absolutely nothing.
Post by: CedarPants on October 14, 2011, 08:35:41 AM
I need to marry me a nice Indian gal. :tung:
I did and all I can say is be carefull what you wish for!
Black eye and a hickie = Indian love :chuckle:
I still love her though
Indian girls are a mean bunch. Date at your own risk.
:yeah: :lol4: :lol4: :lol4: Don't find one that's bigger than you or she'll be doing this for the rest of your life :spank_butt: I take that back they all do that regardless. Gotta love them though!
:yeah: :lol4:
My wife is part Blackfoot. I'm a foot taller than her and literally twice her size, yet I choose my battles carefully with her since I long ago accepted the fact that she'd absolutely clean my clock any day of the week if we ever :boxin:
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 14, 2011, 08:45:27 AM
I need to marry me a nice Indian gal. :tung:
I did and all I can say is be carefull what you wish for!
Black eye and a hickie = Indian love :chuckle:
I still love her though
Indian girls are a mean bunch. Date at your own risk.
:yeah: :lol4: :lol4: :lol4: Don't find one that's bigger than you or she'll be doing this for the rest of your life :spank_butt: I take that back they all do that regardless. Gotta love them though!
:yeah: :lol4:
My wife is part Blackfoot. I'm a foot taller than her and literally twice her size, yet I choose my battles carefully with her since I long ago accepted the fact that she'd absolutely clean my clock any day of the week if we ever :boxin:
Oh yeah! Back in the day I used to see girls square off and fight guys! They don't care if you piss them off holy @$^% watch out!!!!
Post by: CedarPants on October 14, 2011, 08:54:58 AM
I need to marry me a nice Indian gal. :tung:
I did and all I can say is be carefull what you wish for!
Black eye and a hickie = Indian love :chuckle:
I still love her though
Indian girls are a mean bunch. Date at your own risk.
:yeah: :lol4: :lol4: :lol4: Don't find one that's bigger than you or she'll be doing this for the rest of your life :spank_butt: I take that back they all do that regardless. Gotta love them though!
:yeah: :lol4:
My wife is part Blackfoot. I'm a foot taller than her and literally twice her size, yet I choose my battles carefully with her since I long ago accepted the fact that she'd absolutely clean my clock any day of the week if we ever :boxin:
Oh yeah! Back in the day I used to see girls square off and fight guys! They don't care if you piss them off holy @$^% watch out!!!!
We were in a bar in Butte one time visiting some friends and some random drunk guy felt obligated to grab her behind. I hadn't even had the chance to get off my barstool to confront him before she caught him with a solid right hook. Knocked him back onto his own behind :tup:
I was proud as heck and also relieved - bar fights in Butte don't typically end well for non-locals. However in this case the local and his group were kicked out and the remaining locals picked up mine and my friend's tabs the rest of the night :IBCOOL:
Post by: elkonastick on October 14, 2011, 07:01:36 PM
if i had the same hunting rights as natives i would without a doubt keep a generous amount of meat in the freezer, i cant get mad at somebody for doing something that they are allowed to do. a native can wake up in his house to coffee that was set to brew at the same time his alarm went off, warm up the truck and grab his rifle and swarovski optics then head off to their ancestors hunting grounds 100 miles away. it will take about an hour and a half to get there maybe 2 if they stop for gas and a mcgriddle, charge the cell phone on the way and crank the tunes, holding on to that native way of life right? natives should never be told how to manage game on the reservations but it is total BS to let them have free reign to go pop a big bull in the collockum and sell the horns when i have to pay up just to put my name in a hat and then get a not selected post card year after year. to give them more rights then i have because my ancestors did their anscestors dirty doesn't make any cense to me. i cant go pick up arrowheads in vantage and sell them but they can make profit from the elk herd that i have to pay to hunt for two coweeks out of the year with everyone else in the state willing to pay up for a true spike. american history is violent and cruel but i guess i just dont feel like i owe you anything. if we can have a black president, women and yes even natives can vote and in this day and age all people are supposed to be equal then why does "i was here first" give you more rights than me. god bless america?
Sounds like you should be mad at the state for their regulations, it sounds like you have a problem with them. Why dont we start a thread on how unfair the state is instead of attacking a group that has something that you want. Start a constructive thread that can come up with ideas to show your law makers to get it changed for the better.
my problem is with the state, i really meant i cant get mad at them cause i would do the same thing, i dont know if they do sell any antler but to even give them that option is just incentive to kill big animals. i would never sell antler but some in any race would so some natives must. does anyone else think its crazy that they still get to hunt because dead relatives hunted, if my dead relatives were mountain men and i went off the grid and hunted for survival then i'd be an outlaw poacher but they they can hunt year round. crazy!
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 14, 2011, 07:42:50 PM
if i had the same hunting rights as natives i would without a doubt keep a generous amount of meat in the freezer, i cant get mad at somebody for doing something that they are allowed to do. a native can wake up in his house to coffee that was set to brew at the same time his alarm went off, warm up the truck and grab his rifle and swarovski optics then head off to their ancestors hunting grounds 100 miles away. it will take about an hour and a half to get there maybe 2 if they stop for gas and a mcgriddle, charge the cell phone on the way and crank the tunes, holding on to that native way of life right? natives should never be told how to manage game on the reservations but it is total BS to let them have free reign to go pop a big bull in the collockum and sell the horns when i have to pay up just to put my name in a hat and then get a not selected post card year after year. to give them more rights then i have because my ancestors did their anscestors dirty doesn't make any cense to me. i cant go pick up arrowheads in vantage and sell them but they can make profit from the elk herd that i have to pay to hunt for two weeks out of the year with everyone else in the state willing to pay up for a true spike. american history is violent and cruel but i guess i just dont feel like i owe you anything. if we can have a black president, women and yes even natives can vote and in this day and age all people are supposed to be equal then why does "i was here first" give you more rights than me. god bless america?
Sounds like you should be mad at the state for their regulations, it sounds like you have a problem with them. Why dont we start a thread on how unfair the state is instead of attacking a group that has something that you want. Start a constructive thread that can come up with ideas to show your law makers to get it changed for the better.
Nice thought there Inchtown, but the reality is, until the tribes and or Federal Government are willing to tear up the treaties, and then be on equal footing with everyone else, and not have special rights, then nothing will or can be done to change it for the better.. .absolutely nothing.
The tribes and treaties have nothing to do with you. Thats why I said come up with ideas to pass on to the state to make your hunting better or to your standards.
Now back to this mean Indian women, my cousin was punched by this guy and she laughed at him and asked is that all you got.
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 14, 2011, 07:51:58 PM
if i had the same hunting rights as natives i would without a doubt keep a generous amount of meat in the freezer, i cant get mad at somebody for doing something that they are allowed to do. a native can wake up in his house to coffee that was set to brew at the same time his alarm went off, warm up the truck and grab his rifle and swarovski optics then head off to their ancestors hunting grounds 100 miles away. it will take about an hour and a half to get there maybe 2 if they stop for gas and a mcgriddle, charge the cell phone on the way and crank the tunes, holding on to that native way of life right? natives should never be told how to manage game on the reservations but it is total BS to let them have free reign to go pop a big bull in the collockum and sell the horns when i have to pay up just to put my name in a hat and then get a not selected post card year after year. to give them more rights then i have because my ancestors did their anscestors dirty doesn't make any cense to me. i cant go pick up arrowheads in vantage and sell them but they can make profit from the elk herd that i have to pay to hunt for two coweeks out of the year with everyone else in the state willing to pay up for a true spike. american history is violent and cruel but i guess i just dont feel like i owe you anything. if we can have a black president, women and yes even natives can vote and in this day and age all people are supposed to be equal then why does "i was here first" give you more rights than me. god bless america?
Sounds like you should be mad at the state for their regulations, it sounds like you have a problem with them. Why dont we start a thread on how unfair the state is instead of attacking a group that has something that you want. Start a constructive thread that can come up with ideas to show your law makers to get it changed for the better.
my problem is with the state, i really meant i cant get mad at them cause i would do the same thing, i dont know if they do sell any antler but to even give them that option is just incentive to kill big animals. i would never sell antler but some in any race would so some natives must. does anyone else think its crazy that they still get to hunt because dead relatives hunted, if my dead relatives were mountain men and i went off the grid and hunted for survival then i'd be an outlaw poacher but they they can hunt year round. crazy!
Colvilles cant hunt year round, we have seasons they just last longer then the state. We can sell antlers on our reservation though and I do agree it can open the door for head hunters. Our deer season is buck only june to sept and either sex is oct to dec. The only thing open year round is predators. Which I believe takes alot of pressure off our deer, especially when the fawns come around.
Post by: sebek556 on October 14, 2011, 08:37:24 PM
guess I am lucky I married a chippewa, dont have that problem :chuckle: :chuckle:I need to marry me a nice Indian gal. :tung:
I did and all I can say is be carefull what you wish for!
Black eye and a hickie = Indian love :chuckle:
I still love her though
Indian girls are a mean bunch. Date at your own risk.
:yeah: :lol4: :lol4: :lol4: Don't find one that's bigger than you or she'll be doing this for the rest of your life :spank_butt: I take that back they all do that regardless. Gotta love them though!
:yeah: :lol4:
My wife is part Blackfoot. I'm a foot taller than her and literally twice her size, yet I choose my battles carefully with her since I long ago accepted the fact that she'd absolutely clean my clock any day of the week if we ever :boxin:
Post by: colockumelk on October 14, 2011, 10:37:41 PM
The problem many have is off the reservation the Yakamas have no restrictions on how many branch bulls they can harvest. Or bucks. For a nontribal we have to wait 10 years to draw a tag to hunt a bull. This does not seem fair. If the state loosened the regs for us we wouldnt have any elk to hunt let alone big bulls.
It's the opinion of many that the state has impasse more and more restrictions on us and tje benefactors are the Yakamas and now the Muckleshoots, neither of which contribute a penny to big game management let alone do research or provide harvest reports.
Furthermore A LOT of the "hunting" is done during the winter at or near feed stations and in the wintering ground. This is also the most visible portion of tribal hunters so they get a bad rap when we see time and time again tribal members shooting from the road killing a few elk driving to them and staking them like chordwood. Again not all do this its just the bad apples that are most visible.
Finally in places where the herd is hurting and we see less and less permits the tribes do nothing to control harvest on their end to help conservation amd to keep a herd healthy.
For us around Yakima that shares the resources with the Yakamas we feel like the spouse who does all the work on the marriage and sacrifices while the other partner does what they want and contributes nothing to tje marriage. FYI I think the Colvilles do an outstanding job of game managemnt and conservation.
Post by: b4327 on October 14, 2011, 10:39:00 PM
but reading a lot of the posts on here about native americans to get over it, etc. is sick. I am not going to get into all my politics about why I feel this way because frankly I don't think a lot of you care. but I encourage some of you to pick up a history book or two. these are the laws. we put native americans in corners of the country and said sorry. it is sick and wrong that you all want to blame a tribe. I have been working in the Okanogan area for the past 18 months and the really f****d thing is that more then 70% of the locals poach. honestly I really don't care what the tribes do. the laws are the laws. stop complaining and go for a walk in the woods and try to get along. hunters arguing with other hunters just feeds all the anti-hunters and makes things even harder for us.
Post by: Gringo31 on October 15, 2011, 06:02:53 AM
b4327 welcome to the site!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 15, 2011, 11:42:15 AM
It was obvious that the picture wasn't of tribal members' deer- the "Bowtech" sticker on the truck was a dead giveaway. I've never heard of any "modern" indians doing their killing with a bow and arrow. Kind of ironic, isn't it?hahahahahaha all I love that comment ...... :yeah: :o
Post by: sixty4nhalf on October 15, 2011, 02:00:51 PM
No seriously, as much as I think the Native should have some special hunting, but come on enough is enough.
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 15, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 15, 2011, 07:48:05 PM
If it came down to five deer left in the firing center or anywhere I bet the indians would have no problem snuffing them out. They turned the firing center to a joke, yes you still may find a big buck in there but no way near the way it was just 5 or 6 years ago. What the heck happened? Did they find out that the easiest road hunting around was out there? I just don't get why they need to kill as much as they do, that used to be one of the best tags to draw in our state and they completely ruined it in a very short time. w t f, tired of this crap.That was definitely done by the Yakamas at the firing center. 8) And they definitely are pretty skilled at deer hunting. :chuckle:
That must have been the last five deer.
Post by: colockumelk on October 15, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
Well I basing my stuff off the fact that the guy started the thread by posting the colvilles website. How others have said they have seen truck loads come out of the area around Republic,and they was talkin about members that was selling deer at orchards. How also we just sweep poaching under the rug and dont take care of it, I also let them know what our fines are for our tribe. Thats what I have been commenting on mainly.
I agree. I say it over and over again to people. Stop talking about it and take pictures. Without evidence its just rumors.
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 15, 2011, 08:44:02 PM
Well I basing my stuff off the fact that the guy started the thread by posting the colvilles website. How others have said they have seen truck loads come out of the area around Republic,and they was talkin about members that was selling deer at orchards. How also we just sweep poaching under the rug and dont take care of it, I also let them know what our fines are for our tribe. Thats what I have been commenting on mainly.
I agree. I say it over and over again to people. Stop talking about it and take pictures. Without evidence its just rumors.
Yeah I would love to catch them selling meat or poaching something. My grandpas field always gets hit by spot lighters they destroy fences and shoot cattle and horses.
Post by: elkonastick on October 16, 2011, 09:28:59 AM
Hey inchtown I think you and some people are talking about two different things. You are talking about on reservation hunting and they are talking about the rights that some tribes have off the reservation. No one I know has a problem with on reservation hunting. It's your land so you should be able to run the show how you want to. You do what works for you.
The problem many have is off the reservation the Yakamas have no restrictions on how many branch bulls they can harvest. Or bucks. For a nontribal we have to wait 10 years to draw a tag to hunt a bull. This does not seem fair. If the state loosened the regs for us we wouldnt have any elk to hunt let alone big bulls.
It's the opinion of many that the state has impasse more and more restrictions on us and tje benefactors are the Yakamas and now the Muckleshoots, neither of which contribute a penny to big game management let alone do research or provide harvest reports.
Furhermore A LOT of the "hunting" is done during the winter at or near feed stations and in the wintering ground. This is also the most visible portion of tribal hunters so they get a bad rap when we see time and time again tribal members shooting from the road killing a few elk driving to them and staking them like chordwood. Again not all do this its just the bad apples that are most visible.
Finally in places where the herd is hurting and we see less and less permits the tribes do nothing to control harvest on their end to help conservation amd to keep a herd healthy.
For us around Yakima that shares the resources with the Yakamas we feel like the spouse who does all the work on the marriage and sacrifices while the other partner does what they want and contributes nothing to tje marriage. FYI I think the Colvilles do an outstanding job of game managemnt and conservation.
:yeah: the only tribal hunting i have seen has been in the collockum, i do not have anything to say of the colville tribal hunting becasue i know nothing about it. it gets me fired up becasue a a person with only 1 point has a 1 in 9128 chance of drawing a collockum bull tag rifle and can hunt 4 days during rut or 1 in 6376 for a two week hunt late oct /early nov. i have pesonally seen 7 bulls taken this year by tribal members and my brother in law has seen 4. 3660 people put in for a collockum bull tag last year and 6 tags were given. a tribal member can go shoot six in a day if he wanted because of an agreement that was made in the mid 1800s. b4327 how many natives do you know that were around when they were so badly mistreated? it would be like excluding blacks from paying taxes because their slave ancestors paid no taxes. but no aggreement was made back then for them to hold onto the parts that they find appealing. it is the law but it is a law that was made when indians rode horses and shot bows and arrows, now they have rifles and trucks. let them make the trip from yakima to colockum with no motor vehicle and no modern fire arm the way they did when this law was made and i would not complain a bit but something has got to change or soon it will be a draw hunt for a true spike and natives will still be cracking big bulls
Post by: b4327 on October 16, 2011, 09:48:31 AM
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 16, 2011, 08:22:02 PM
You guys say we are not the people we were back then but it was not by choice. We are still trying to get our language back. They have been teaching it in schools , but it is no where like it was back when the treaties where signed. If it was my choice I would love for it to be like back in the day, it would be nice to learn the old ways. When I hear you guys say the government just took land, why do they need their hunting rights, I feel like you don't get it. A lot more was taken, our culture and our living. I think the least we could keep is some hunting and fishing rights. We have no where close to the amount of land our ancestors traveled, hunted, and gathered on. You guys are right we are not the same, but not by our choice.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 16, 2011, 08:34:44 PM
Post by: sixty4nhalf on October 16, 2011, 08:47:21 PM
I hear people talking about how long ago the treaties were signed, and how we were a different people back then, how we don't hunt with bows and arrows. I dont think you guys realize that I am 29 and my grandma was a product of the boarding schools. She was not allowed to talk her language or have long hair. She tells stories of being beat by the nuns and priests and being tied to the radiators in the basements. But yet she is still a devote catholic, and lived the way she was taught. She wouldn't speak our language to my dad because she was taught it was was bad. This stuff didn't happen that long ago.
You guys say we are not the people we were back then but it was not by choice. We are still trying to get our language back. They have been teaching it in schools , but it is no where like it was back when the treaties where signed. If it was my choice I would love for it to be like back in the day, it would be nice to learn the old ways. When I hear you guys say the government just took land, why do they need their hunting rights, I feel like you don't get it. A lot more was taken, our culture and our living. I think the least we could keep is some hunting and fishing rights. We have no where close to the amount of land our ancestors traveled, hunted, and gathered on. You guys are right we are not the same, but not by our choice.
Inchtowntracking:
I can not and will not speak for all, but I think a lot of people Native American or not feel the same way. Like I said earlier I have no problem with the Native being able to hunt / fish when ever they want to, HELL I would love it if we all could do it (IF IT WAS FOR FOOD not for sport) I was never raised to take something that I could not use or need, and I feel the same goes for the tribes. I think what people of all sorts is pissed about is that SOME and not all, when given a foot take a yard, and I know that those animals are taken not for personal consumption, and this goes for all sides! What ticks me off the most is when you find a rotting carcass without a head. 10 years ago I went hunting in Oregon and a member of the party "accidentally" shot a cow on a spike only hunt, and then left the cow there. I vowed NEVER to hunt with that person again!
My wife cares for one of the local tribe elders and they treat them like crap, and that is not right either. I can't count how many times that I have seen truck loads of fish being dumped because nobody wanted them.
So Yes I understand that things are not right, and that is where WE ALL need to change somethings back, will they ever be the same as they were, no not at all.
What I really feel bad about is those "berry/nut picking" tribes that get to harvest out of season. :sry:
Post by: ArrowH on October 16, 2011, 09:00:29 PM
Post by: liljozie495 on October 16, 2011, 09:35:58 PM
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 16, 2011, 09:43:40 PM
Just because we are allowed two deer per day doesnt mean that happens, and not everyone that is enrolled hunts. There are way more people that dont hunt then do.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 17, 2011, 08:31:45 AM
If it came down to five deer left in the firing center or anywhere I bet the indians would have no problem snuffing them out. They turned the firing center to a joke, yes you still may find a big buck in there but no way near the way it was just 5 or 6 years ago. What the heck happened? Did they find out that the easiest road hunting around was out there? I just don't get why they need to kill as much as they do, that used to be one of the best tags to draw in our state and they completely ruined it in a very short time. w t f, tired of this crap.That was definitely done by the Yakamas at the firing center. 8) And they definitely are pretty skilled at deer hunting. :chuckle:
That must have been the last five deer.
Trophy :liar: lol Are you joking? Look at the log book smart guy how many Tribal kills you see on it not much I look every time I go out to the YTC State kills are 15 to 1. Just to let you know don't make statement that you can be proven wrong. You should have said the Tribe is escorted by Humvee and they get unlimited 50cal bullets that is mounted on top and they chase all the elk down and then are loaded onto the army dump truck and horns cut off then Tribal member is traded beer for the horns by the solders and he goes home. Now that's a story.
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 17, 2011, 08:58:11 AM
If it came down to five deer left in the firing center or anywhere I bet the indians would have no problem snuffing them out. They turned the firing center to a joke, yes you still may find a big buck in there but no way near the way it was just 5 or 6 years ago. What the heck happened? Did they find out that the easiest road hunting around was out there? I just don't get why they need to kill as much as they do, that used to be one of the best tags to draw in our state and they completely ruined it in a very short time. w t f, tired of this crap.That was definitely done by the Yakamas at the firing center. 8) And they definitely are pretty skilled at deer hunting. :chuckle:
That must have been the last five deer.
Trophy :liar: lol Are you joking? Look at the log book smart guy how many Tribal kills you see on it not much I look every time I go out to the YTC State kills are 15 to 1. Just to let you know don't make statement that you can be proven wrong. You should have said the Tribe is escorted by Humvee and they get unlimited 50cal bullets that is mounted on top and they chase all the elk down and then are loaded onto the army dump truck and horns cut off then Tribal member is traded beer for the horns by the solders and he goes home. Now that's a story.
Would that beer be a Keystone Light?
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 17, 2011, 09:04:32 AM
elkonastick I also see where you are coming from as well. Listen I have my opinion and you have yours. Yes I think at times they have abused there power with there regs, and yes a lot of native americans are respectful and do the right thing with there regs. I guess in the end if people want change then they need to start doing something about it. complaining over and over again is pointless. If people are really fired up then start writing letters, get a group organized, etc. We have all heard the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Talking about this issue to death just seems like a moot point until people really take action. Not looking to argue or piss people off. I respect all opinions on this board. LIke I said in my previous post what gets me is the amount of poaching I have learned about that goes on in the Okanogan area (locals not native americans) that really gets me. I heading out Tuesday to hunt 204 so we will see. I wish everyone the best of luck this week.
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Post by: Yak-NDN on October 17, 2011, 10:04:28 AM
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 17, 2011, 10:36:03 AM
Post by: wabassguy1 on October 17, 2011, 10:47:31 AM