Post by: Qaib Thai on September 07, 2011, 09:31:40 PM
Post by: Firing Pin on September 08, 2011, 09:19:12 AM
But much more importantly, if you plan on shooting anything between 300 and 600 yds you really need to have spent ALOT of time at a range to know exactly were your rifle is hitting. FYI, most HUNTERS will not shoot that past 400 yds. The ones that do shoot a ton and have for so for a long time! Just sayin
Post by: h20hunter on September 08, 2011, 09:22:13 AM
Post by: GoldTip on September 08, 2011, 09:29:50 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 08, 2011, 06:26:53 PM
Post by: Huntbear on September 08, 2011, 06:37:53 PM
Post by: addicted on September 08, 2011, 09:49:19 PM
You have asked a fairly opinionated questions so it will likely come down to you doing a side by side with the scopes at your local gear store.
The only leupolds i consider purchasing are the ones that have quality/clarity to match their (pricey)price tag. Therefore the only lupy's i consider purchacing are the redfields. :stirthepot: lol
If you are willing to spend 300-400$ you can get some really good glass these days.
Minox Z3 3-9x40 $289
http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/minox.pl?page=66000 (http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/minox.pl?page=66000)
Fairly new line of scopes that are getting good reviews and picking up speed
Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 MC $399
http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/zeiss.pl?page=521460 (http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/zeiss.pl?page=521460)
Many think of the zeiss conquests as the best bang for your buck in the market. It is hard to justify the jump in price to get a scope of greater clarity than this.
Meopta MEOPRO 3-9x42 #4 Riflescope $399
http://eurooptic.com/meopta-meopro-3-9x42-4-riflescope.aspx (http://eurooptic.com/meopta-meopro-3-9x42-4-riflescope.aspx)
Another european company that has assembled a 1" tube scope line in the states to keep costs down and bring us a great product.
Redfield Revolution 3-9x49 $169
http://swfa.com/Redfield-3-9x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44469.aspx (http://swfa.com/Redfield-3-9x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44469.aspx)
If your looking at lupy simply for the lifetime warranty, then you can save yourself some cash and go with the lifetime warrantied redfields.
Vortex Viper 2-7x33 %40 off. 149$
http://swfa.com/Vortex-2-7x32-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11227.aspx (http://swfa.com/Vortex-2-7x32-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11227.aspx)
This is supposed to be a steal of a deal. And look, another lifetime warranty. Many people say they are as clear, if not clearer than VX-3 rifle scopes :yike: :chuckle:
Post by: addicted on September 08, 2011, 10:07:30 PM
also was looking at nikon and bushnell scopes and they are cheaper than leupolds but i think that leupold will hold more accuracy shot after shot.
I have owned 3 bushnell's, and 2 of them crapped out on me. The third i never mounted on a rifle.
I have hunted with 4 nikons(3 prostaff, 1 buckmaster) and all of them shot very accurately. My wife currently has a prostaff 3-9x50 BDC on her CZ 550 luxuz 30.06 and she shoots sup moa with it all day long.
I have read of tracking issues with lupys from the last few years products, let me do a quick google search....
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f18/leupold-issues-tracking-53737/ (http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f18/leupold-issues-tracking-53737/)
To be fair i'll do a quick google search for tracking issues with nikons.....
It took a little longer to find issues. lol. This thread i did find is compairing nikons to lupy's with problems on both sides.
http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=256576 (http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=256576)
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 08, 2011, 10:19:12 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 08, 2011, 10:31:06 PM
I like Leupold's customer service better than almost any other optics company.
i own both, and like them both for different reasons.
Post by: addicted on September 08, 2011, 10:39:30 PM
Dollar for dollar, Nikon optics are better than Leupold.
:yeah:
This has been widely noted. :tup:
Post by: smdave on September 08, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
I have shot two deer right at 400 yards measured by range finder with witnesses with my Nikon mounted on a 300 winmag. you could easily shoot out to 400- 500 with a scope in this range if you practice and are comfortable shooting that far.
Dave
Post by: Deep Forks on September 09, 2011, 03:32:55 AM
Post by: Qaib Thai on September 09, 2011, 05:26:12 PM
Post by: addicted on September 09, 2011, 09:10:32 PM
thx for all the replies. since a few of you guys suggested redfield i been looking into them and they seem like a decent price that doesnt break the bank. but if they are made by leupold whats the difference besides different names. is everything still pretty much the same. with scopes im am most concerned with the scope not holding accuracy shot after shot.
I don't recall reading any threads(I'm a forum junky) about the new redfields not holding a zero so it must not be a common occurance.
As far as other brands keeping their accuracy shot after shot, I've had a meopta meostar mounted up for a year and a half and never had to adjust the zero except for when i changed ammo about 60 rounds in. I even dropped this one out of a 14 ft tree stand and it kept it's accuracy, shot after shot.
Post by: predator guy on September 09, 2011, 09:30:35 PM
I love them Nikon scopes, never had one fail. I had one of those new Redfield scopes which I really liked also, they are made by Leupold. For the higher end Leupold's you could almost get a Zeiss or a Swarovski around the same price range.Dollar for dollar, Nikon optics are better than Leupold.
:yeah:
This has been widely noted. :tup:
Post by: addicted on September 09, 2011, 09:45:07 PM
http://eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-summit-25-10x40-reticle-9.aspx (http://eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-summit-25-10x40-reticle-9.aspx)
Post by: Bean Counter on September 10, 2011, 07:11:19 AM
I love them Nikon scopes, never had one fail. I had one of those new Redfield scopes which I really liked also, they are made by Leupold. For the higher end Leupold's you could almost get a Zeiss or a Swarovski around the same price range.
While Swaro's Z5 and Z6 scopes remain in the $1.5K+ range, the Z3 scopes seem to be discontinued or something as they're on sale everywhere. You can get one for like $700ish. I'm curious how the Zeiss Conquest stacks up. Anybody?
Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2011, 08:45:39 AM
Can't beat it for $225. I got one a while back for $199 but they are getting hard to find now. It's a discontinued model.
Post by: high country on September 10, 2011, 09:08:16 AM
Here's a good deal: http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Elite-4200-3-9x40mm-Riflescope/dp/B000NJ0BUM (http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Elite-4200-3-9x40mm-Riflescope/dp/B000NJ0BUM)
Can't beat it for $225. I got one a while back for $199 but they are getting hard to find now. It's a discontinued model.
$199 at cabbys right now with a $20 off $150 coupon it is far and away the best bang for the buck. I dumped most of my leupys and nikons in favor of that model. A tough, bright scope that has yet to poop on me, and I have broke most brands over the years.
Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2011, 09:55:39 AM
Post by: Qaib Thai on September 11, 2011, 11:09:30 AM
Post by: high country on September 11, 2011, 12:25:06 PM
Post by: Qaib Thai on September 11, 2011, 02:55:52 PM
Post by: addicted on September 11, 2011, 10:21:27 PM
http://www.samplelist.com/Minox-3-9x40-ZA3-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-A-P3104.aspx (http://www.samplelist.com/Minox-3-9x40-ZA3-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-A-P3104.aspx)
Here is a redfield 3-9x40 with the accurange reticle for $134
http://www.samplelist.com/Redfield-3-9x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-A-P2728.aspx (http://www.samplelist.com/Redfield-3-9x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-A-P2728.aspx)
Nikon buckmaster 3-9x40 149$
http://www.samplelist.com/Nikon-3-9x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-DEMO-B-P776.aspx (http://www.samplelist.com/Nikon-3-9x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-DEMO-B-P776.aspx)
Nikon's line up goes from lowest to highest prostaff-buckmaster-monarch.
Post by: high country on September 11, 2011, 10:55:46 PM
Post by: Lunchbox1981 on September 11, 2011, 11:20:57 PM
Post by: Lunchbox1981 on September 11, 2011, 11:27:27 PM
I love them Nikon scopes, never had one fail. I had one of those new Redfield scopes which I really liked also, they are made by Leupold. For the higher end Leupold's you could almost get a Zeiss or a Swarovski around the same price range.
While Swaro's Z5 and Z6 scopes remain in the $1.5K+ range, the Z3 scopes seem to be discontinued or something as they're on sale everywhere. You can get one for like $700ish. I'm curious how the Zeiss Conquest stacks up. Anybody?
Not a big fan of the Zeiss Conquest. Don't get me wrong Zeiss makes one of the greatest scopes out there but it is not there Conquest line. I will take my Meopta over the Conquest 10 fold. But that is just my :twocents:.
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 11, 2011, 11:58:24 PM
i am also a newb at scopes so was wondering if the objective lense of 50 would give you a larger field of view over the 40.
1st off you will be wise to go with Redfield or Leupold no matter what other people say :chuckle: My father has used Leupold since the 80's and he will not buy anything else. We have about 15 guns with VX-III from 22-250 to .338 every year before hunting dad will take out the rifles and shoot at the target 98% of the time they will still be sighted in from last year. We also use their binos and spotting scopes.
2nd I will address the issue of objective lense since no one said anything about it. The 50mm will attact more light into your scope so if you are hunting in heavy wooded areas that don't see much light then I would get the 50mm. If you are hunting in open land you should be fine with a 40mm.
Post by: addicted on September 12, 2011, 02:42:16 AM
i am also a newb at scopes so was wondering if the objective lense of 50 would give you a larger field of view over the 40.
2nd I will address the issue of objective lense since no one said anything about it. The 50mm will attact more light into your scope so if you are hunting in heavy wooded areas that don't see much light then I would get the 50mm. If you are hunting in open land you should be fine with a 40mm.
He asked about FOV, not light transmission. lol. Yes qaib, wider field lf view with the bigger objective.
Post by: bobcat on September 12, 2011, 07:32:26 AM
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The 50mm will attact more light into your scope so if you are hunting in heavy wooded areas that don't see much light then I would get the 50mm. If you are hunting in open land you should be fine with a 40mm.
My thoughts on this are the opposite. For more wooded areas, I'd take the lighter and more compact 40mm objective lens over the 50. For open areas I might use a 50mm scope, but in general I prefer a 40mm or objective for all around use.
Post by: Bofire on September 12, 2011, 09:15:56 AM
Carl
Post by: high country on September 12, 2011, 01:51:45 PM
Post by: addicted on September 12, 2011, 08:40:39 PM
Quality trumps quantity in obj size. My 44mm zeiss smokes my 50mm leupy mark 4
Qaib has sounded too interested in highest clarity, but yes, i'm wiht high country. I have seen clarity to be more important than objective diameter when it comes to low light situations.
Thats why i wouldn't mind trying a meopro or conquest with a #4 ret for my next night and day gun. The only thing that worries me is the possibility that the second focal plane will make the reticle appear too small in the dark. we shall see.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 12, 2011, 08:49:22 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 12, 2011, 10:53:16 PM
:)I will not use Nikon products, they do not support hunting 100%. I have leupold , several, love them, had them for many many years. I have VXIII's in 40mm and 50mm. I can see no difference in light gathering or FOV.
Carl
I own $,$$$ in Nikon products. If you're going to make a statement like this, please post more info. Thanks.
Post by: artifactr on September 13, 2011, 03:43:02 AM
http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64:400-born-in-europe-assembled-in-the-us&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4 (http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64:400-born-in-europe-assembled-in-the-us&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4)
http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29:qinexpensive-scopeq-comparison&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4 (http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29:qinexpensive-scopeq-comparison&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4)
Post by: addicted on September 13, 2011, 04:09:12 AM
Post by: Bofire on September 13, 2011, 08:50:29 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 13, 2011, 09:22:29 AM
Post by: thinkingman on September 13, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Hey guys, here's a couple links to some reviews by a scope guru. I respect his opinion and like reading his reviews.
http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64:400-born-in-europe-assembled-in-the-us&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4 (http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64:400-born-in-europe-assembled-in-the-us&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4)
http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29:qinexpensive-scopeq-comparison&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4 (http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29:qinexpensive-scopeq-comparison&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4)
Great links!
I've been reading Koshkin on Opticstalk.com for years and never seen that site.
It's amazing what kind of glass is available today for less than $400.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 14, 2011, 07:48:45 AM
Post by: addicted on September 14, 2011, 11:02:41 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,83263.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,83263.0.html)
If i didnt already have more scopes than guns i would be all over that deal lol. Gotta put something underneath my schmidt &Bender summit first. :drool: