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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Squatch200 on September 11, 2011, 11:44:13 AM
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So this morning I went out elk hunting and stumbled upon somebodys really nice tree stand. Elk tracks and trails going to there mineral block out in front of it. My questions are is it unethical to use somebody elses tree stand if they arent in it and should you not hunt over somebody elses bait? What do you guys think?
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I would stay out of the tree stand. Although I believe that it is legal if it is on public land, first com first serve sort of thing. but a bad idea. as for the bait, if it is on public land mabe. Depends on where and what else is around.
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Absolutely unethical. :twocents:
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if its not yours don't touch it...bait however I would hunt over if he wasn't there
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public land, i see no problem hunting the same area its public land but id make sure no one was around and move on if he/she showed up.
as for the tree stand id say that is a big no no to sit in the person's stand, if its not my property i dont touch it.
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If it is on public land then use it if you want . I would rather someone use my stands then steal them, like has happend two times now.You cant tie up good spots on public ground by hanging a stand there , then expect everyone else to stay away.
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If it is on public land then use it if you want . I would rather someone use my stands then steal them, like has happend two times now.You cant tie up good spots on public ground by hanging a stand there , then expect everyone else to stay away.
Good point.
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I didn't hunt out of this hunters tree stand but I did hunt over his bait for awhile because nobody was there and it is a spot I've hunted before. I would have gladly moved on if he would have shown up. It was public land also
:yeah: Good move.
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If the tree stand is on public ground, and no one is in it, then I would be. If the owner shows up well then he can either pull it down or go someplace else.. First come first serve,,on PUBLIC LAND..
Hunterman(Tony)
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Absolutely unethical. :twocents:
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for those that say absolutely unethical if it is public land should you just leave the area because someone else has been there?
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I'd say hunting the area is okay but not using their stand. Leave a note with your phone #. they may welcome someone else checking in on the stand when they are not there and u may make a new friend.
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I didn't hunt out of this hunters tree stand but I did hunt over his bait for awhile because nobody was there and it is a spot I've hunted before. I would have gladly moved on if he would have shown up. It was public land also
I'd say your actions were just fine and respectfull of the other hunter. I praise you for that!
But using someones tree stand just becasue its on public property is wrong. That stand is someones private property. You wouldn't sleep in someones tent or take a drive in their car if you found it on public land, would you? I'm quite shocked at how many say they would use it. But, then again ethics in the Washington hunting woods has been going down hill at a rapid rate the past few years.
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I'd be beyond pissed if I walked up and saw someone sitting in my stand. Some people go to some great lengths to keep their stand scent-free and dont touch anything with their bare hands or eat around their stand. On the other hand I'd be freaked sitting in somebody else's stand thinking they might just walk up and shoot me. Not a good plan. It's certainly allowable and probably ethical to hunt the bait, but I probably wouldnt do it. Somebody has been putting some serious effort into the place and I would try to respect that.
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Legally, it's like a duck blind on public land, first come first serve. That's the chance you take leaving it on public land. Ethically, I wouldn't use the stand, but I would probably hunt the area.
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I'd hunt it while walking away. Wouldn't dare us another hunters personal property despite where they left it. It would be different if it were a structure in a tree or something that they couldn't prove was theirs.
As far as bait, call a game warden and collect ur ten points.... Baiting is not legal. Where did you say this was? :)
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I'd hunt it while walking away. Wouldn't dare us another hunters personal property despite where they left it. It would be different if it were a structure in a tree or something that they couldn't prove was theirs.
As far as bait, call a game warden and collect ur ten points.... Baiting is not legal. Where did you say this was? :)
Baiting deer and elk is perfectly legal
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As far as bait, call a game warden and collect ur ten points.... Baiting is not legal. Where did you say this was? :)
WOW, your saying collect 10 points against another hunter for doing something legal (baiting deer and elk is). I would read the regs if I were you before assuming something illegal.
I would not sit in the stand but may hunt over the salt lick if the owner of the stand was not there. If he showed up I would politly move to another area. that's just me though.
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Well I think it depends. If you are talking about a portable stand on public land. Than I say stay out of it but feel free to hunt that spot. There are no dibs on public land.
If you are talking about a stand built into a tree on public land first come first serve.
Same with blinds. I use a hub blind. I come along and you are in it we are going to have words. I come along and you are sitting next to it , I should have got up earlier.
Duck blinds. Many are contructed by hunters on public land, first come first serve. Portable I would stay out of but again I would hunt the area if I were there first.
During the elk season I have left my hub blind up for several days and got into it before light every morning. No one bothered it or came around other than to pass by.
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There is one like that where i go elk hunting. I cruz by it but stay out of it.
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I'd hunt it while walking away. Wouldn't dare us another hunters personal property despite where they left it. It would be different if it were a structure in a tree or something that they couldn't prove was theirs.
As far as bait, call a game warden and collect ur ten points.... Baiting is not legal. Where did you say this was? :)
So who are you realy???Baiting is legal for deer elk cougars , rabbits, skunks,moose,coyotes, almost everything but bears...
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oh and NO it's not ethical to hunt someones stand area. Tel last couple years I've been pushes out of an area out of Trout Lake that I have been baiting for 30 yrs . and can walk in to in my old age...LOL. The hunter even stole my block and moved it over the hill. ...If I was 20, 30, or even 50 again I would be hunting better places! The elk and deer are in these stand areas only for a short time then go elsewhere... don't hunt other peoples stand areas.
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public land, i see no problem hunting the same area its public land but id make sure no one was around and move on if he/she showed up.
as for the tree stand id say that is a big no no to sit in the person's stand, if its not my property i dont touch it.
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Thats how I see it as well.
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I guess i always thought if i hung my stand on public land and someone was in it , they just got up earlier than me , and more power to them.Maybe it is because i am a long time duck hunter and thats how we do it in the salt flats...
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When I hang stand son public I am anticipating that someone else might use while I am not there. And that is ok with me. I understand public land is public and when I hand a stand that is a chance I take. I think it is considerate if I arrive to use stand early in the Am and someone is there he/she would climb down and defer to my use. If not I wait till the person climbs down after the hunt and move to a more remote area.
If you bait on public be prepared for others to hunt over it.
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I didn't hunt out of this hunters tree stand but I did hunt over his bait for awhile because nobody was there and it is a spot I've hunted before. I would have gladly moved on if he would have shown up. It was public land also
I'd say your actions were just fine and respectfull of the other hunter. I praise you for that!
But using someones tree stand just becasue its on public property is wrong. That stand is someones private property. You wouldn't sleep in someones tent or take a drive in their car if you found it on public land, would you? I'm quite shocked at how many say they would use it. But, then again ethics in the Washington hunting woods has been going down hill at a rapid rate the past few years.
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I could not have said it better myself. I can't believe someone would think its okay to use someone's personal property without permission. I can't believe the lack of respect some people show.
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I didn't hunt out of this hunters tree stand but I did hunt over his bait for awhile because nobody was there and it is a spot I've hunted before. I would have gladly moved on if he would have shown up. It was public land also
I'd say your actions were just fine and respectfull of the other hunter. I praise you for that!
But using someones tree stand just becasue its on public property is wrong. That stand is someones private property. You wouldn't sleep in someones tent or take a drive in their car if you found it on public land, would you? I'm quite shocked at how many say they would use it. But, then again ethics in the Washington hunting woods has been going down hill at a rapid rate the past few years.
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I could not have said it better myself. I can't believe someone would think its okay to use someone's personal property without permission. I can't believe the lack of respect some people show.
I'm glad to see that some of us still have respect for each other. You both hit the nail right on the head.
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Portable tree stand or permanent?
I don't think its legal to build a permanent stand on public land.
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If it is a permanent wooden one someone built then its okay to hunt it. Most states consider these types of stand as public. But if its a hang on type of stand you bought it is private property. And in my mind and in some states it is trespassing.
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If it is a permanent wooden one someone built then its okay to hunt it. Most states consider these types of stand as public. But if its a hang on type of stand you bought it is private property. And in my mind and in some states it is trespassing.
Public land or not it is personal property so you as the stand owner are personally responsible for any injuries if someone falls out of the stand or the stand breaks. Thus, many states now consider the use of someones stand without permission "trespassing" whether on private or public land. However, in most of those states you can not set-up a public property stand more than 24 hours before the season and it must be taken down within 24 hours after the season. This way everyone has the chance of being there first.
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If you're 100% on public land then I say feel free to hunt over the bait. Don't touch the other mans stand, though. I've never researched and verified this myself but I once heard that if you hunted out of someone's deer stand in Germany that you could be shot--legally. Not sure if that's a law of the past or what.
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I do not see any difference between a portable blind, hub blind, mountain bike, rifle, lawn chair, truck with the keys in it. Personal property is just that. OK to use a guys trail camera once you get it off the tree?
If its not yours hands off.
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Absolutely unethical. :twocents:
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On all counts.
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if it was my stand and i found someone in it id thell them to get the f&^k out. if they didnt id climb the ladder, start taking it down, and leave them in the skybox to think about it. :twocents:
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i am with the guys that say if it aint your tree stand and you did non of the work putn it up then keep the hell out of it even if its on public land, and me personally i wouldnt hunt over his bait either but thats me, i figure i didnt do the work so why should i get to reep the benifits, it all comes down to karma
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I personaly would not use it but have to reflect that anyone who hangs his personal property out in plain sight for everyone to see has lost some marbles. They have to know that someone is either going to use it, steal it, or destroy it. If they build one on public land and drive nails/spikes into my public tree, I would report it's location to enforcement. I might even remove it from our tree so the tree has a chance to get healthy.
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I can see it now everyone packing in their own stand around the same lick. lol we could call them scaffolds. lol
The salt belongs to some one so are you sure it is ok to sit over it?
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You played it perfectly....good work!
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If I come across someones stand/bait/set up I treat it as if I just came across somebody actually there. I move on with the least impact I can. Find another area.
When I climbed into my stand this year on opener I was surprise to see a stand and bait within 100 yards of mine. I could have shot a deer off their bait... I would have thought a fellow bowhunter would have the courtesy to move to a different area knowing I was already there but I guess some people don't care if they ruin another persons hunt. :twocents:
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If they build one on public land and drive nails/spikes into my public tree, I would report it's location to enforcement. I might even remove it from our tree so the tree has a chance to get healthy.
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I haven't ran across a newer one but have ran across a half a dozen or so in some nasty places in the N.E corner that had to be around 50 years old. Trees looked healthy.....and big. :chuckle: i wouldn't remove any of those.....kinda like a piece in time past. As for a newer one....I would tell a lot of people. :chuckle: Why not..I'm not gonna hunt out of it.
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If they build one on public land and drive nails/spikes into my public tree, I would report it's location to enforcement. I might even remove it from our tree so the tree has a chance to get healthy.
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You would be a very busy person if you were to hunt some locations in the Spokane area. You had better bring your carpenters belt, hammer, and claw, just leave the rifle at home you won't have time for hunting. Some of the IEP land around Mt. Spokane seems as though it has wooden stands hanging out of every 10th tree.
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back in the day when we baited bears, and i was also a kid at the time, well we built are tree stands out of wood that we packed into some of the nastiest places and we built them to last, hell if they ever bring back bear baitn, my stands should be good to go, i have hunted for quite some time now and have only come across a few wooden treestands, the ones i find funny are the ladderstands and climbers that i find that are just in little day hunt spots barely off the road, i know where a ladderstand is that has been in the same spot for 12 years maybe even longer and to this day have not even thought about huntn out of it
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so the people on here that say its okay to use..how about your camp...its setup on public land its then okay when your gone hunting for me to use your camp? cause its public land :dunno: same premise
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I would personally be EXTREMELY peeved if I walked up and saw someone sitting in my treestand, public land or not. If it's public land and someone hunted my bait if they found it and I baited, then that's different, but it would be very unethical in my opinion to climb into another guys stand. And dangerous as well, you didn't hang it, you have no idea who did and your gonna go up 20' and sit in it? What if it was hung up there by a 90lb hobbit like Bucklucky who could balance the thing on a one inch limb and be safe, any of you are gonna drag your 200, 250, 300lb butts up there and sit? Well if you do and it comes down outta that tree then you get what you deserve.
All of you guys who would sit in this treestand, is it OK to use someone else's game camera because it was left in the woods on public land? Ok to open it up and take the chip and see what pics they have if you've got a viewer? I would agree with what someone else posted above, ethics in this state, and probably others are in a serious decline.
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I have left my treestand out in the woods on public land many times before. If I found someone sitting in it they would have a seemingly endless 3 1/2 mile hike back to their rig with me kicking them in the butt the whole way back! This is a BIG part of why I hunt remote, brush choked hell holes because I never see another person and feel safe about leaving my stand. I do, however, cover it up with branches and conceal it as best as I can.
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I had a similar situation this weekend and i'm glad to see this post. i'm still new to hunting and was asking myself the same questions. after seeing the stand i moved on to an area away from the stand. thanks for all the info these kinds of threads are very helpful to newer hunters like myself.
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I'm actually curious as to if you were hunting in Ryderwood????. I have a spot I was working on since the second week in July hauling a mineral block down to it, clearing the spot to let fresh browse grow, and setting up my stand. On my very well hidden game cam I have a picture of a guy walking down there (he must like nasty hellholes also) on the 10th I believe. He looked at the stand and the mineral block and moved on it appears. If he hunted that spot it's within his rights since it's public land and I took that gamble. I'd probably be irritated but it wouldn't be his fault. Now, if I went down there and found him sitting in my tree stand I'd be pissed - especially since I have it cable locked to the bottom of the tree (climber). Regardless of the lock, you don't touch what's not yours. I've found other peoples stands and apple piles and just move out of the area. Now I'm ticked with Weyerhauser/ Sierra Pacific because I can't even hike in and get my stand. Dozen's of hours of work and 900 pics of elk later and it's worthless to me. Heading to high country in an hour.
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The only time I wont hunt an area is if there is someone allready there. Just because someone puts out bait doesnt mean they earned the spot. If I didnt hunt were I found bait or tree stands. I would have a tuff time finding a spot to hunt. I find a bunch more that I had missed year after year while shed hunting and scouting. Come hunting season if the animals are all hanging out by peoples baits. Doesnt seem to unfair to hunt the general area.
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I'm starting to get real curious about where people are hunting where they are running into all kinds of tree stands and bait. :dunno: If there's that much pressure, move to a new area. There's a lot of ground out there. :twocents:
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About 5 years ago I had one of my stands on my neighbor's place. I snuck in before light and had one of the local neighbor boys sitting in it. I inquired if it was his and he told me yes. I asked him then to unlock the padlock on it, If he could I guess it was his. If he couldn't he was welcome to borrow my key to try it. He found it while he was out roaming. So when he climbed down I put him in my safety harness and told him to make sure it was on the back porch that evening. I left him and went on about my hunting. Wished him good luck.
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:chuckle: :chuckle: nice Ridgeratt
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I'de be pissed if there was someone in my stand.. It may be within eye sight of public land if you do some hiking but its on private property...If i set it up on public land, I would probably expect it to be stolen by some A hole with no dignity.
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I'd hunt it while walking away. Wouldn't dare us another hunters personal property despite where they left it. It would be different if it were a structure in a tree or something that they couldn't prove was theirs.
As far as bait, call a game warden and collect ur ten points.... Baiting is not legal. Where did you say this was? :)
I concede this is not technically correct but to quote another hunter... "just talked to the WDFW enforcement program and the topic of BAITING. tehy said "you can bait for anything beside bear, but there is a fine line and you will probably cross it!" i asked what they ment and they said " if you bait for cougar or coyote with lets say salmon and a bear comes in you will get a ticket for baiting bear." i asked how can i get a ticket if i am not even hunting bear.??? they responded with " we just DONT recommend it because you will get cited for baiting bears, but you can put salt licks out for deer/elks but if a bear comes, you again will get cited"
Likely hood of being caught is very slim but it just not worth it with the penalties involved... But yes YOU ARE CORRECT, kinda :) and why do you need to? I have no issues tracking deer and elk around the state.
Baiting deer and elk is perfectly legal
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If I come across someones stand/bait/set up I treat it as if I just came across somebody actually there. I move on with the least impact I can. Find another area.
When I climbed into my stand this year on opener I was surprise to see a stand and bait within 100 yards of mine. I could have shot a deer off their bait... I would have thought a fellow bowhunter would have the courtesy to move to a different area knowing I was already there but I guess some people don't care if they ruin another persons hunt. :twocents:
Sad thing is they are members buddy on here...think some people would get it..u handled alot better than I would..he woulda never done this agin to someone..pos and tool bag
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I'm starting to get real curious about where people are hunting where they are running into all kinds of tree stands and bait. :dunno: If there's that much pressure, move to a new area. There's a lot of ground out there. :twocents:
Or you dont get out and walk around the whitetail woods in NE WA... you will find a ton of stand sites and baits. even worse on public/iep...private another story
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ridgerat brings up a good point, i guess if i walked into my stand and seen a young kid in it, and he found it all by his self without his dads help or anything along those lines, well i would do the same thing, there is just somethn about helpn young hunters out, i would tell him that it isnt good practice to get up in someone elses treestand, but i would let him hunt my stand for the day thats for sure, if it was an adult who is just to damn lazy to do his own work, then that would create a problem, especially cause lazy ass hunters really make me sick and if they have the sack to sit in my stand or your stand then they probably arent much for ethics and are the type that give us all bad names :twocents:
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Completely UNETHICAL!!! I'd be more than a little pissed if someone disrespected my setup; PUBLIC land or NOT! Doesn't give you the right. Most hunters are very respectful of other's equipment and their time and energy to set up their stand. I've had hunters come by my in my stand and back outta the area after I whistled at them.
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3 nails your Right there are alot of area out there. These areas I run into with lots of stands are just places I can hit after work because they are close.
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Ok so what if ya find this guy in your stand? Mad or Glad?
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I still have a few stands stashed on public land that I set up now and then. I have set them during the early season and try to take them down after late buck sometimes the weather keeps me from doing that so they get tipped over in the spring. If anyone finds them and chooses to haul them out "Good on Ya"
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Ok so what if ya find this guy in your stand? Mad or Glad?
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This crazy guy killed 6 and injured 2 over a tree stand dispute...........
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/11/22_kelleherb_huntershooting/ (http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/11/22_kelleherb_huntershooting/)
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That's a nutty story! Pretty sad.
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that would be awesome to come in to your stand and see a bear just hangn out, and i guess he gets dibs, what are ya gonna do? go argue with the fella, he might smack ya with his fuzzy claw :chuckle: :chuckle: