Hunting Washington Forum
Other Hunting => Coyote, Small Game, Varmints => Topic started by: Gringo31 on September 15, 2011, 06:24:15 AM
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Well boys......it's about getting that time again.
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:tup: Dont know how much ill get out this year since Ill have a new baby girl to look after but ill try
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This is my first year hunting Yotes. Just started at the end of April . Havn't called one in yet, havent shot one yet. Someone wants to take a chance and put me on a team. I will work my ass off.
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Looking forward to it. I hope to have a better year this year :)
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This is my first year hunting Yotes. Just started at the end of April . Havn't called one in yet, havent shot one yet. Someone wants to take a chance and put me on a team. I will work my ass off.
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I've called, got anwers, got 'em coming in, but haven't shot one yet. We could form the "maybe next time" team! :'( :chuckle:
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:yeah:
I got a pm from another member. I think we might have something . :IBCOOL:
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:yeah:
I got a pm from another member. I think we might have something . :IBCOOL:
Good...these cool days are making me itchy to go after them in a serious manner! :hunter:
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Not sure if we will be doing one this year, the site has to have a permit to run it. So until we get the permits I am not sure if we will be doing one. Same for the waterfowl contest and such.
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:crap:
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Not sure if we will be doing one this year, the site has to have a permit to run it. So until we get the permits I am not sure if we will be doing one. Same for the waterfowl contest and such.
ummm when did this happen? the state decided it had too many forums with people getting along and having fun so they need to capitalize on it? and if this is true why dont we need a permit for the photo contests? the horns and coyote never paid it was just some braggin rights and a few tokens donated by other members?
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Not sure if we will be doing one this year, the site has to have a permit to run it. So until we get the permits I am not sure if we will be doing one. Same for the waterfowl contest and such.
ummm when did this happen? the state decided it had too many forums with people getting along and having fun so they need to capitalize on it? and if this is true why dont we need a permit for the photo contests? the horns and coyote never paid it was just some braggin rights and a few tokens donated by other members?
A permit for a site to show pictures of coyote kills, and a tally of how many?
I think it's time to tell these bureaucrat :crap: heads to take a hike off a high cliff!
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Yeah I gotta say, this is the first I've heard of this (needing a permit). But maybe I just haven't been paying attention. Not sure why a permit would be needed. And as runamuk said, there is no money or prizes involved.
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It's like the first Construction Superintendant I worked for told me years ago: "You let them put the saddle on you once, and they're gonna ride you!".
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You guys can talk to dale, I know him and michelle had been working on it. I know because i do the waterfowl contest and we would have to get one for it as well. I am not bs'ing anyone here. No money in the waterfowl contest as well but still needs one.
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I know- we just won't call it a "contest". We can still post pictures, and keep track of points per team. But it's not a contest because there's no prize.
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Here is the definition of contest given on dictionary.com:
1. a race, conflict, or other competition between rivals, as for a prize.
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I wonder why they are saying we need a permit :bash:
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:yeah:
I got a pm from another member. I think we might have something . :IBCOOL:
we will be a force to recon with this year!
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You guys can talk to dale, I know him and michelle had been working on it. I know because i do the waterfowl contest and we would have to get one for it as well. I am not bs'ing anyone here. No money in the waterfowl contest as well but still needs one.
A permit from WHO? What limp-d[ck self-important beaurocrat would require a permit for something like this?
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predatorpro , Heredoggydoggy & Raul duke. We are ready :bfg:
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predatorpro , Heredoggydoggy & Raul duke. We are ready :bfg:
Yep--Permit or not, we're going killing! :mgun:
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maybe everyone from last year can just communicate via emails then it isnt some sort of contest and wont get the internet watchdogs and forum polices involved...gotta say no wonder this country is effed up cant even have a little fun without paying some jackwad off ....
this in no way is blaming carp or the site owner oh no this is all on the ....
You guys can talk to dale, I know him and michelle had been working on it. I know because i do the waterfowl contest and we would have to get one for it as well. I am not bs'ing anyone here. No money in the waterfowl contest as well but still needs one.
A permit from WHO? What limp-d[ck self-important beaurocrat would require a permit for something like this?
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unbelievable the unfree country we live in today.... :bash: :bash:
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maybe everyone from last year can just communicate via emails then it isnt some sort of contest and wont get the internet watchdogs and forum polices involved...gotta say no wonder this country is effed up cant even have a little fun without paying some jackwad off ....
this in no way is blaming carp or the site owner oh no this is all on the ....
You guys can talk to dale, I know him and michelle had been working on it. I know because i do the waterfowl contest and we would have to get one for it as well. I am not bs'ing anyone here. No money in the waterfowl contest as well but still needs one.
A permit from WHO? What limp-d[ck self-important beaurocrat would require a permit for something like this?
:yeah:
unbelievable the unfree country we live in today.... :bash: :bash:
The liberals have figured out: They don't have to shoot us--they just "permit" us to death! >:(
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Hey guys....let's just calm down a bit and wait for someone in the know explain to us what we can and can't do. After we get the official word...........then you can yell and scream :chuckle:
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oh they just want half the prize .. soooo offer a big sack of dog dooo as a prize and see if they still want it.... seriously though.. how fricken rediculous, gotta have a permit to post pics. well ask them where there permit is when they post pictures of their kids on their website that they choose, whats the differance. they got their permit fees when we bought are damn way to expensive huntn licenses :twocents: :twocents: :bash: :bash:
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Dang it, I hoping to get in on this "contest" this year.
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Hey guys....let's just calm down a bit and wait for someone in the know explain to us what we can and can't do. After we get the official word...........then you can yell and scream :chuckle:
sorry living with my teen his angst is rubbing off..... :chuckle: :chuckle:
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I already have my permit, it's called a hunting license issued by the WDFW and paid for in full by me.
Now where's my gun!!
Permit my AZZ!!
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I almost shot one yesterday. I was out looking for a bear. Had seen a few deer in one spot, walked down a logging road past them a ways, came to the end of the road and was walking back. Got to where I'd seen the deer the first time by and I hear deer running, I think gee, they're really spooky. Weird. They parallel the road then it sounds like they're coming closer. A couple more seconds and I'm thinking they're gonna run me over. I crouch down so they won't see me, and here they come across the road right in front of me, about 10 yards away. First a fawn, then a doe, the third one jumps out in the road, sees me and spins around and runs back the way it came. I see the long bushy tail and realize too late it was a damn coyote, chasing those deer. Damn if only I'd of known it was a coyote, could have been ready. Would have liked to have seen what that 140 grain x bullet out of my 270 would have done to that dog at 10 yards. I'm gonna have to spend some time out there killing those damn things. Last year during late muzzleloader my brother saw a coyote chasing a deer through the clearcut. :bash:
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I would call it the 'What If - Coyote Madness III'.
Then when you have one to post - it would be 'if' there was a contest, I would enter this picture (and then you post the picture you would 'enter')
But since it wouldn't be a 'real' contest, it would simply be a display of what could be.
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There's no coyotes left, Gringo shot em all.
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There's no coyotes left, Gringo shot em all.
He must have run over one also I seen a dead mashed up one yesterday on the highway :chuckle:
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I seen within 5 county's coyote Hunting is closed because they are endangered. they need to be at least 15 pair's. Rick :o
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I would call it the 'What If - Coyote Madness III'.
Then when you have one to post - it would be 'if' there was a contest, I would enter this picture (and then you post the picture you would 'enter')
But since it wouldn't be a 'real' contest, it would simply be a display of what could be.
I think each team could start their own Topic thread, post their own pics, and keep their own tally. Lots of luck trying to get us all to get a frackin' permit! :chuckle:
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Well we, my bro in law and i, have already put a few in the dirt... I don't need a contest or the blessing of anyone to stack them like cord wood! Rifle, Shotgun, Bow, or Semi truck makes no difference to me how you turn them into fertilizer.. I really want one with my bow tho... been close.
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days are getting shorter , and weather is getting colder. Time to go get some "practice" for the Madness.
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we went out yesterday and today walked right on top of 2 that booked it out of there right when we got ready to sit down, and 1 today that was sitting by a sagebrush and seen us trying to sneak over a ridge from about 500 yards.....it was a scarce weekend for coyotes.....once the corn fields and alfalfa fields are cut we will be good to go tho :)
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Ive seen a lot of them out latly. I guess there was 4 right next to my house last week at midnight, I was told to get them because of the live stock around. Only problem is Im severly limited in where I can shot and I have to use a shotgun or bow.
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If any body in the Spokane area is looking for a teammate let me know.
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Can we get a moderator to clarify where we stand on this issue? What makes it a contest? Can we have one? Are we "allowed" to post pics on one thread as long as a mod of the site isn't keeping score?
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Hopefully this gets squared away, I just killed another one today out behind the hay barn, pelts are beginning to thicken up a little.
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Does this also mean the Duck hunting challenge is kaput also?? :bash: Bureaucrats got to ruin everything! :bash:
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Can we get a moderator to clarify where we stand on this issue? What makes it a contest? Can we have one? Are we "allowed" to post pics on one thread as long as a mod of the site isn't keeping score?
I am a mod :chuckle: The only one to talk to is dale. It is his site and he has the final say.
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Does this also mean the Duck hunting challenge is kaput also?? :bash: Bureaucrats got to ruin everything! :bash:
and what about heads and horns and I was serious about the photo contest each month as well this is confusing to say the least? :dunno:
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They make you get a permit for things like this cause they know even though some people will beat their chests.....in the end you will buy their little permit.....so they win!!! Then, we will all sit around and write 10 pages of posts complaining that it is unfair and unjust......but we will bow to the man and get their permit........
Just remember.....If it is fun....they will find a way to profit off of it....and us being their little whipping boys....we will pay and we will *censored* down and shut our mouths!!!
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This is a prime example of how the tax-and-spenders get their finances. if you have something they can take away, you have no alternative but to pay their bribery demands. How many drug dealers pay for permits--and they make Millions! So they catch one once in a while, and take his car and gun and drugs, and give him a slap on the wrist. He steals another car and gun and he's right back in business. No permit required! Only honest people have to grab their ankles every time some official needs money.
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This is not suprising they are shutting down little kids selling lemonaide with out a permit. Try running a bake sale, Its crazy. I would throw a couple of bucks toward a permit to help out.
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I think it's time to bring back the old "Tar and Feathers" treatment. It would do some of these unelected stuffed shirts some good.
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There has been some discussion between the Admins & Mods and there are some that believe we don't need a permit and there are some that believe we do.
What it boils down to is how will it harm the business that is HW. If it could harm HW then it needs to be looked at from all angles. Hopefully a decision will be made soon.
Personally, I don't think we need one as long as we don't have prizes or fees. Even the Head & Horns doesn't have a prize. A traveling trophy is not something that is owned or have any monetary value.
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This hunting contest law has existed for several years but most people didn't know about it. Only non-profits may apply, but Washington For Wildlife has agreed to sponsor the contests, WFW is a non-profit.
I was suppoed to send in for these permits in August and just have been too busy. I should get some breathing room in a few days and
will try to get these contests all squared away. So I am still planning on holding all the H-W contests. The way the WAC reads any contest involving wildlife must have a permit.
WAC 232-12-169
No agency filings affecting this section since 200
Hunting contests.
A person wishing to hold a hunting contest must comply with the following provisions:
(1) Only organizations filed with the state of Washington as a nonprofit corporation may apply for a hunting contest permit.
(2) Hunting contest permit applications shall be submitted to the department 30 days prior to the date for which the contest is proposed.
(3) Applications must include the permit fee required by RCW 77.32.211. The fee will be returned if the permit is denied.
(4) Contests are restricted to the species approved on the permit.
(5) Total value of prizes per contest shall not exceed $2000.
(6) Entry fees or requests for donations are prohibited.
(7) It is unlawful to fail to comply with the conditions of a hunting contest permit.
Hunting contests which may adversely affect wildlife resources will be denied.
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ITs why the Joshua Cup was designed the way it was with out of state critters. It kind of limited the fundraiser/contest a bit, but otherwise we couldn't offer it. If its not Washington wildlife, no problem. I spent lots of time on hold and pushed lots of buttons on the telephone to iron that out. It didn't matter what kind of good cause it was for. They were very apologetic about it as they knew it was for a good cause, but their hands were tied.
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How much is the permit. Rick ;)
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After reading the WAC, I still don't see why a permit is necessary. Let's just not call it a contest. :dunno: It really isn't anyway, correct? No prize, no contest. It's just keeping score. It's no different than a group of friends keeping track of who kills the most game, or catches the most fish during a particular season. This just happens to be on the internet where everyone can see it.
Oh well, I guess the money's going to a good cause, right? (the management of Washington's wildlife) :rolleyes:
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:yeah: It's not really an official contest. Just a bunch of guys that team up to see who gets more kills. On a species that ranchers have been trying to eradicate for 200 years, and have made no dent in the populations.
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I agree. It is for bragging rights only with no official score kept.
No prizes,
No entry fee,
No donations
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No contest if you ask me.
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So whose team I on :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno: Today ...just a little over gunned :sry:
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:chuckle:, yeah I'd say just a little.
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Nah! .338 Lapua, maybe--but not that dinky little thing. :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Bearpaw,
if help is needed in the permit process let it be know and im sure others will join in as I know I would.
As far as teams goes im looking to get on one. I have some property right out of cle elum that I plan on taking a few dogs out of.
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Id like to join the "maybe next time" team! LOL Ive got my bull barrel OLY K16 w/ 4-16x40 scope and bipod, and nice light .308 w/ sling, couple shotguns for if they get close.. but havent got any down anywhere north of Oklahoma :(
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Contest or no contest, there will be hundreds of dogs thinned out this winter. If for some reason the contest isn't possible, I would see no reason why we can't post our kills and keep a running tally as a whole. I personally enjoy the photos and stories from peoples hunts as much or more as the contest itself. Besides I'm guessing Gringo isn't going to let all those bullets just sit there and collect dust. :chuckle: I know I will be reloading all winter myself regardless of a contest. :drool:
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:yeah: My feelings exactly! I'm already psyched up for the cold weather kills, even though pred hunting is year-round.
Marlin: If there is a competition, and the rules permit more than 4 on a team, your'e welcome to be our wetside "Maybe next time" participant. So far, Predatorpro is our only team member to draw blood. Gives the rest of us something to "shoot for".
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So....I guess the question is whether or not we "start" keeping our tally on Oct 1 or Nov 1?
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Just be sure to add me to a team :chuckle: or do I start my own team :tup:
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So....I guess the question is whether or not we "start" keeping our tally on Oct 1 or Nov 1?
I vote for December 1st.
Anybody remember when it started last year?
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It used to run Oct 1 thru Feb. Last year we cut Oct out and started Nov.
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I do not know about the eastside but for as far as calling coyotes over here on the wetside I also find it better calling in November and December ... so I would vote October 1st ... :twocents:
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As I recall, the reason it went to Nov. was to prevent the "burn out" of the Admin. that was keeping score. If we keep our own tally, Oct. 1 is fine wih me. :twocents:
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As I recall, the reason it went to Nov. was to prevent the "burn out" of the Admin. that was keeping score. If we keep our own tally, Oct. 1 is fine wih me. :twocents:
I think it was actually to wait until modern firearm seasons were over. (ie. some will be chasing deer while others would be getting a head start on their tally)
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What's wrong with chasing deer and whacking coyotes at the same time? I got a flourescent camo vest just for that purpose. Coyotes can't see red anyway.
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I vote for a November start.
Modern firearm deer season will be over and we don't have to be out there trying to call with 1000 people out there shooting at everything that moves, it just makes for spooky dogs during deer season. Plus the pelts will be better for those that want fur.
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So we talkin called in yotes or it does not matter ....? :dunno:
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I agree with Falfire with a November start. The pelts are in much better shape, Plus it let's the deer hunters do their thing. :twocents: KILL 'EM Bowhunter45
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Well get pickin teams ....just be sure I am on one :tup:
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I forgot to add Bowhunter45 that 95% of the dogs I kill are called in. That's where the fun is.
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I vote for a November start.
Modern firearm deer season will be over and we don't have to be out there trying to call with 1000 people out there shooting at everything that moves, it just makes for spooky dogs during deer season. Plus the pelts will be better for those that want fur.
OOO! I forgot about all those guys that go to Walmart and get a .30-06 and a hunting license, and think eveything that moves in the brush is a deer! Maybe November would be better.
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I vote for a November start.
Modern firearm deer season will be over and we don't have to be out there trying to call with 1000 people out there shooting at everything that moves, it just makes for spooky dogs during deer season. Plus the pelts will be better for those that want fur.
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Either way I cant wait to start! :bfg:
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I vote for a November start.
Modern firearm deer season will be over and we don't have to be out there trying to call with 1000 people out there shooting at everything that moves, it just makes for spooky dogs during deer season. Plus the pelts will be better for those that want fur.
OOO! I forgot about all those guys that go to Walmart and get a .30-06 and a hunting license, and think eveything that moves in the brush is a deer! Maybe November would be better.
Perhaps you have not seen the truck loads of hunter (???) driving around in the wheat fields shooting at every deer and coyote they see while out drinking and hunting. It gets pretty scary and very crazy when those knuckleheads are out there. I was amazed at the sportsmanship (?) those guys. I have and it ain't pretty.
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How many of you modern firearm hunters pass on a yotes while you are after deer? :dunno: I will admit that I generally will take a dog or two during the modern firearm season, unless I am hot on a good buck. I always spend the remainder of my vacation chasing dogs after my deer has been harvested...
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I vote for a November start.
Modern firearm deer season will be over and we don't have to be out there trying to call with 1000 people out there shooting at everything that moves, it just makes for spooky dogs during deer season. Plus the pelts will be better for those that want fur.
OOO! I forgot about all those guys that go to Walmart and get a .30-06 and a hunting license, and think eveything that moves in the brush is a deer! Maybe November would be better.
Perhaps you have not seen the truck loads of hunter (???) driving around in the wheat fields shooting at every deer and coyote they see while out drinking and hunting. It gets pretty scary and very crazy when those knuckleheads are out there. I was amazed at the sportsmanship (?) those guys. I have and it ain't pretty.
The last time I hunted the modern season, early '70s, I think, I was glad to get back to the truck alive. I was walking along a hillside and heard bullets flying above my head. I ducked into an island of brush and trees and hunkered down near a tree. A little doe came running down the hill and into the brush I was in and layed down about 30 feet away from me. 3 hunters(?) came down the hill and one of them said "I saw it go this way!" and then they went down over the hill. I looked over at the doe, she saw me, and jumped up, turned and ran back the way she came. I got up and went back to my truck and went home. It was a Bucks Only area.
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How many of you modern firearm hunters pass on a yotes while you are after deer? :dunno: I will admit that I generally will take a dog or two during the modern firearm season, unless I am hot on a good buck. I always spend the remainder of my vacation chasing dogs after my deer has been harvested...
I passed up shooting at coyotes a few times while hunting modern season. I wouldn't now, but then I don't deer hunt the modern rifle season any more.
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I forgot to add Bowhunter45 that 95% of the dogs I kill are called in. That's where the fun is.
yeah me too ... but I dont pass up the ocassional drive by.... :chuckle: :tup:
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I pass while deer hunting. Save em for later
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How many of you modern firearm hunters pass on a yotes while you are after deer? :dunno: I will admit that I generally will take a dog or two during the modern firearm season, unless I am hot on a good buck. I always spend the remainder of my vacation chasing dogs after my deer has been harvested...
you ain't huntining, unless the lead is flying. Only way I pass up a yote, is if I can see a buck in the area. If not. dead yote, move to a new spot. :hunter:
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Please add me to a team for the non-contest. ;) I would vote for an October first start.
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Hey Gringo, I was just counting on my fingers and I think it would be Coyote Madness IV ( If there was a contest :chuckle: )
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Ah...I guess the world doesn't revolve around El Gringo.....This would be my third "non-event" :chuckle:
Either way, the dogs are going to take a pounding this year. Contest or no contest.
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If there's no contest, will it be Coyote Sadness I ? :'(
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Gringo
I couldn't agree more. Contest or not, going to be a bad year for some!
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Hey guys, Bullelk here ready to shoot some yotes, missed my first yote of the year Sunday, so that means its going to be a good year for me. Just like calling, if you call a yote in and kill it on the first set of the day best to pack it in and go home, cause the rest of the day sucks. :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Any word yet??
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I saw a nice big fairly fluffy coyote running about mach III across the road when I tried to stop and get a pic with my phone he took that as time to break the sound barrier :chuckle: :chuckle: for a moment I was worried I might of gotten between him and a bullet the way he was moving :dunno:
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My best day yote hunting I killed 5 in a couple hours ...and that was in Nov. which seems to be a good month over here on the wetside ....just seems they come to a call better ..... :twocents:
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Seen a nice yote on my way home. Had a real nice coat on him. Think I'll go out tonight and see if I have any luck with my 1st kill.
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Hey all. Sorry about the delay. I don't know about the permit thing. Personally, a coyote is a non-game animal, and we don't call it anything but keeping a tally of kills. So I'll let Dale worry about the permit situation, because I know he would like to offer up prizes in some way.
Anyway, Let's get the teams sorted out. Same rules will apply as last year, same scoring, same everything. I will start a new thread with a link. Nov 1-Feb 28 will be the dates.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84424.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84424.0.html)
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I've wanted to donate call's in the past. maybe we will see this year. Rick
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I've wanted to donate call's in the past. maybe we will see this year. Rick
Rick, Better late than never :chuckle: Mine are starting to get a little worn. :yike:
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damn bowhunter45 i have made 10 sets and havent called in a yote yet, i dont get it, i can deer hunt, elk hunt, bear hunt, fish and was a desent hound hunter when we were allowed but i cant call in a damn yote or bobcat to save my damn life :bash:
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damn bowhunter45 i have made 10 sets and havent called in a yote yet, i dont get it, i can deer hunt, elk hunt, bear hunt, fish and was a desent hound hunter when we were allowed but i cant call in a damn yote or bobcat to save my damn life :bash:
They don't seem to be quick to answer to calls lately. I figure to lay in ambush quietly on their travel lanes, and get the smart ones out of the way first! :tup: