Post by: Yelm hunter on September 18, 2011, 06:26:18 PM
Post by: raekmike on September 18, 2011, 06:45:27 PM
Post by: jason4429 on September 18, 2011, 06:49:54 PM
Hey everyone.... I'm curious if my dad and I need to have the Discovery Pass to hunt the Winston Creek Unit this year?? My dad is a disabled vetern. Any help would be great!! --- Thanks
I pretty sure your dad can get one without paying for it.
Post by: bobcat on September 18, 2011, 07:04:41 PM
Here is a map that shows where you need it. Everything in green requires the pass.
http://www.dnr.wa.gov/publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_southwest.pdf (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/publications/amp_rec_discover_pass_southwest.pdf)
Post by: Yelm hunter on September 18, 2011, 07:22:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 18, 2011, 07:25:35 PM
Oh, and I wouldn't call that "grammar". It's just that you don't know the correct name for the pass.
Post by: Yelm hunter on September 18, 2011, 07:54:18 PM
I'll have to call the state and find out thanks
Post by: bobcat on September 18, 2011, 08:01:54 PM
Post by: Yelm hunter on September 18, 2011, 08:11:40 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 18, 2011, 08:19:28 PM
Post by: Jerbear on September 18, 2011, 08:41:38 PM
Post by: Yelm hunter on September 18, 2011, 08:45:54 PM
Post by: Jerbear on September 18, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
Post by: elksnout on September 18, 2011, 08:53:19 PM
I don't have a problem with paying $30.00 or whatever for the pass... It's good for a entire year and good for all the state parks too for day use. So it's really not a big deal. It's better than jacking up license plate fees and hunting and fishing license fees. Don't buy one and get caught without one and pay even a bigger fine... $109.00 Fine VS. a $30.00 permit. Hmmmm?? What would you do?
It's just the idea of paying more all the time. Tack this on top of the Forest Pass (30.00) for hiking, parking, etc. on National Forest land, raising the license and tags fees, high fuel costs and a crappy economy and it tends to piss people off.
Post by: 724wd on September 18, 2011, 08:58:17 PM
I don't have a problem with paying $30.00 or whatever for the pass... It's good for a entire year and good for all the state parks too for day use. So it's really not a big deal. It's better than jacking up license plate fees and hunting and fishing license fees. Don't buy one and get caught without one and pay even a bigger fine... $109.00 Fine VS. a $30.00 permit. Hmmmm?? What would you do?
alright, since it's no biggie to you, why don't you buy me one, too. oh, and i'll need two, one for my car, one for the wifes. p!ss on the f#@king discover pass!
Post by: Yelm hunter on September 18, 2011, 09:01:05 PM
Post by: elksnout on September 18, 2011, 09:01:57 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 18, 2011, 09:05:24 PM
Post by: runamuk on September 18, 2011, 09:12:39 PM
I don't have a problem with paying $30.00 or whatever for the pass... It's good for a entire year and good for all the state parks too for day use. So it's really not a big deal. It's better than jacking up license plate fees and hunting and fishing license fees. Don't buy one and get caught without one and pay even a bigger fine... $109.00 Fine VS. a $30.00 permit. Hmmmm?? What would you do?
what would I do boycott them and not go on land that requires it with my vehicle :dunno: kinda like i dislike walmart so I boycott them this is America we can still choose or almost still choose....and I have paid to stay at state parks many times not buying a stupid pass to day use them...so no more state parks use for me...simple really
Post by: cjensen on September 18, 2011, 09:15:01 PM
Post by: flinger on September 18, 2011, 09:17:53 PM
Post by: Bustyn on September 26, 2011, 09:09:56 AM
I would have bought one Discover pass, if I could use it on whichever vehicle I was driving that day. But they want me to buy one for each vehicle, which means I'd have to buy four. So I'm "boycotting" them. I'm not buying a Discover pass and will just avoid going on state lands where it is required. I do have some spots on DNR land I may hunt this year, but I will be parking elsewhere, and then walking in to the state land. So no pass required. It's only required if you drive on the state land.
Was out this weekend for the youth hunt, and discovered that the state folks have started closing the "walk in" loophole. (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg842.imageshack.us%2Fimg842%2F2686%2Fregulatedaccessarea.jpg&hash=3a89d1a04ec60496197edc8cc305f758e4413110)
Post by: bobcat on September 26, 2011, 09:14:18 AM
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Was out this weekend for the youth hunt, and discovered that the state folks have started closing the "walk in" loophole.
Interesting. But of course for WDFW lands we hunters do not need the Discover pass, because we will already have the vehicle use pass we get with our hunting license. So that isn't an issue. And for DNR lands, I don't think it will be a problem, parking outside of the state land and walking in. I'll simply be parking on county right of ways.
Post by: ShirtGuy77 on September 26, 2011, 09:27:19 AM
But I question where that money is going...Sure as heck isn't the roads! I couldn't believe how crappy the roads were up where we were. My brother and I were getting heated just talking about said pass. Making us pay to enjoy the outdoors, and we have to get around on road systems like we saw? Unreal...
Post by: uplandhunter870 on September 26, 2011, 09:29:35 AM
I would have bought one Discover pass, if I could use it on whichever vehicle I was driving that day. But they want me to buy one for each vehicle, which means I'd have to buy four. So I'm "boycotting" them. I'm not buying a Discover pass and will just avoid going on state lands where it is required. I do have some spots on DNR land I may hunt this year, but I will be parking elsewhere, and then walking in to the state land. So no pass required. It's only required if you drive on the state land.
Was out this weekend for the youth hunt, and discovered that the state folks have started closing the "walk in" loophole. (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg842.imageshack.us%2Fimg842%2F2686%2Fregulatedaccessarea.jpg&hash=3a89d1a04ec60496197edc8cc305f758e4413110)
id be curious to see how a fine from not being parked in the lot and walking into public state land would hold up in court
Post by: TheHunt on September 26, 2011, 09:36:17 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 26, 2011, 09:38:53 AM
Post by: bigtex on September 26, 2011, 12:23:55 PM
When I went fishing on the Kalama this summer individuals did not park in the "Discovery Parking lot" they parked out side of that and were not ticketed. I talked to the game warden who was there checking folk. So you do have a loop hole.
It was the same way with the WDFW Pass.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 26, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
Post by: Smithandsonstaxidermy on September 27, 2011, 08:07:22 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 27, 2011, 08:58:35 PM
I Do Not Care about this pass .. I still will drive and park where I please ... because LIke I have said over and over I will take the ticket to court ,,I cant not sit here and mock it if I go a head and buy one ..... :sry: :yeah:
So I'be been wanting to ask. What do you plan on saying to the judge??
And I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just want to know your "plan"
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on September 27, 2011, 09:35:26 PM
I would have bought one Discover pass, if I could use it on whichever vehicle I was driving that day. But they want me to buy one for each vehicle, which means I'd have to buy four. So I'm "boycotting" them. I'm not buying a Discover pass and will just avoid going on state lands where it is required. I do have some spots on DNR land I may hunt this year, but I will be parking elsewhere, and then walking in to the state land. So no pass required. It's only required if you drive on the state land.
Was out this weekend for the youth hunt, and discovered that the state folks have started closing the "walk in" loophole. (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg842.imageshack.us%2Fimg842%2F2686%2Fregulatedaccessarea.jpg&hash=3a89d1a04ec60496197edc8cc305f758e4413110)
I have seen these signs posted in the Bluegrade area of Douglas County. I hunted there years ago, and it is all private property that wdfw got the landowners to open to the hunters for access during hunting seasons. It is not public land. The reason it is strictly controlled now, is that too many people were using it as a dumping ground: cans, bottles, washing machines and clothes dryers, even old refrigerators. It was disgusting. The controlled access is the alternative to the landowners closing the area down to all activities. A prime example of a few pigs making it hard on everybody.
id be curious to see how a fine from not being parked in the lot and walking into public state land would hold up in court
Post by: pips4bucks on September 29, 2011, 07:49:56 PM
This was issued from Birch Bay State Park. I call B.S. on this one and will take it to court for sure. I am very dilligent about displaying the pass everytime I go there just because I know they are looking and issuing tickets. I even had a polite discussion with the park ranger, a couple days prior to the day the ticket was issued, about the pass.
So now I have to go to court and prove I had the pass displayed.
What's stopping the park rangers from going along and issuing tickets to everyone using this excuse for a violation? Even if they have a pass displayed or not, now you have to prove you had it displayed.
*censored*S.... :bash:
Post by: billythekidrock on September 29, 2011, 07:58:10 PM
I don't have a problem with paying $30.00 or whatever for the pass... It's good for a entire year and good for all the state parks too for day use. So it's really not a big deal. It's better than jacking up license plate fees and hunting and fishing license fees. Don't buy one and get caught without one and pay even a bigger fine... $109.00 Fine VS. a $30.00 permit. Hmmmm?? What would you do?
The pass is only good for a year if you don't have to buy new plates. If you buy the pass in January and have to get new plates in September then you will need to buy a new pass. :bash:
Post by: Yelm hunter on September 29, 2011, 09:22:34 PM
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on September 30, 2011, 10:04:57 AM
So when you buy your hunting and fishing license and get the WDFW parking permit do you still have to get a Discover Pass?
Depends.
If you use only WDFW areas you do not.
If you use DNR and/or State Park areas you do.
Post by: Arteman on September 30, 2011, 10:29:30 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on September 30, 2011, 07:09:59 PM
No you don't have to buy a new permit!! You can call the Dept. of fish & wildlife tell them you got new plates and they will either send you a new permit with your new license plate preprinted or a sticker for your current pass. Not sure though. My uncle went through the same thing and that what he did.
Call state parks and try that. They will tell you that you need to purchase a new pass for your new plates.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on September 30, 2011, 07:43:19 PM
No you don't have to buy a new permit!! You can call the Dept. of fish & wildlife tell them you got new plates and they will either send you a new permit with your new license plate preprinted or a sticker for your current pass. Not sure though. My uncle went through the same thing and that what he did.
Call state parks and try that. They will tell you that you need to purchase a new pass for your new plates.
:yeah: Just another "oversight" from our great leaders. But they have assured us it will all be fixed for next year. :bash:
Post by: THINK_N_ELK on September 30, 2011, 08:49:54 PM
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Of course they are going to tell that you need to buy a new pass. State Parks get 84% of the $30. That's $25.20 from every pass, and DNR and WDFW get to split the other 16%.
I think that if I buy a pass I should get to decide who I want the majority to go to.
And to top that off every time you renew your vehicle tabs the $5.00 parks donation is automatically added to the price. That's $30.00 bucks that they will never get from me.
Post by: patpadinpa on October 03, 2011, 02:45:19 PM
Post by: 724wd on October 03, 2011, 03:17:56 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 03, 2011, 08:23:30 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 03, 2011, 08:44:10 PM
So what is the " Recreational Use Permit " good for with our hunting licenses ?
I was down to the Tarpiscan area-part of the Colockum area this morning. First time I've been there all summer. At the entrance to the WDFG Area there is now a "Discover Pass Required" sign posted, and down in the lower right corner it says "Or Parking Permit". (not sure of exact words) I take it to mean the permit you get when you buy a Hunting License, which I have. There are no campgrounds there, so only the non-hunters that go in there to hike, mountain bike, birdwatch, or kiss the rattlesnakes would need the Discover Pass. At least now the squishy tree-huggers have to dig into their pockets to go in there, not just us hunters who have been paying for years.
Post by: billythekidrock on October 04, 2011, 03:03:21 PM
One of the things I was told was that many officers are not going to write tickets for not having the pass as they don't believe in it. I told him on one hand I am glad to hear that, but on the other, since I bought mine to be legit, that I would rather they ticket everyone who doesn't have it.
He then stated that they use it as a reason to check compliance on other issues. About ten minutes later another rig drove up, without a pass, and he had them out of the rig with ID in hand. I am pretty sure they weren't hunting and since it had been a long day, I did not stick around to see if they got a ticket for not having the pass.
Post by: billythekidrock on October 04, 2011, 03:08:56 PM
So what is the " Recreational Use Permit " good for with our hunting licenses ?
F&W managed lands.
Post by: bigtex on October 04, 2011, 04:40:44 PM
Sunday I was checked by F&W Enforcement and after all the formalities were over we bs'd for awhile.
One of the things I was told was that many officers are not going to write tickets for not having the pass as they don't believe in it. I told him on one hand I am glad to hear that, but on the other, since I bought mine to be legit, that I would rather they ticket everyone who doesn't have it.
That's one officer showing his perspective. It's true that there were some officers who never wrote the ticket for the old WDFW pass. But there were officers that wrote that ticket almost daily. And I will say many tickets have been written by WDFW for the discover pass. You also need to remember that there are some parts of the state that have little or no areas that require the pass, so obviously those officers won't write as many. However WDFW has already written many tickets. It's just like one trooper not stopping people unless their going 10 MPH over and his partner stopping people at 8MPH.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 05, 2011, 03:22:56 PM
So what is the " Recreational Use Permit " good for with our hunting licenses ?
I was down to the Tarpiscan area-part of the Colockum area this morning. First time I've been there all summer. At the entrance to the WDFG Area there is now a "Discover Pass Required" sign posted, and down in the lower right corner it says "Or Parking Permit". (not sure of exact words) I take it to mean the permit you get when you buy a Hunting License, which I have. There are no campgrounds there, so only the non-hunters that go in there to hike, mountain bike, birdwatch, or kiss the rattlesnakes would need the Discover Pass. At least now the squishy tree-huggers have to dig into their pockets to go in there, not just us hunters who have been paying for years.
That's kinda what I was thinking.
Post by: Moose Master on October 06, 2011, 08:27:36 AM
Post by: Huntbear on October 06, 2011, 09:22:46 AM
Our state government can not balance a check book. So to get more money out of us that live in this state, they add a 30.00 parking pass fee for state parks. (They do this because the voters can repeal a tax of any kind)
They then put that money into the general fund, and ooops,,, it got spent on feeding crack heads in Olympia vs. fixing and maintaining our parks...
Guess who got screwed without even getting a kiss out of the deal?
Until enough people are willing to say NO MORE.... they will continue to get away with it. I have refused to buy one... I have stopped going to state controlled lands other than WDFW land... Now, if every hunter and fisherman would do that.... how much longer you think that pass would still be there.... or better yet, maybe we should start a class action lawsuit since they are double dipping on hunters and fishermen.....
However, if you buy the pass, you are doing nothing more than feeding the monster that lives in Olympia.... and it is never satisfied.. it can get this one through.. what is next?
Post by: Band on October 06, 2011, 10:34:26 AM
Post by: bigtex on October 06, 2011, 01:04:38 PM
It all boils down to this basic situation.
Our state government can not balance a check book. So to get more money out of us that live in this state, they add a 30.00 parking pass fee for state parks. (They do this because the voters can repeal a tax of any kind)
They then put that money into the general fund, and ooops,,, it got spent on feeding crack heads in Olympia vs. fixing and maintaining our parks...
Discover Pass funds do NOT go into the General Fund.
Post by: bigtex on October 06, 2011, 01:05:25 PM
If I happen to get a citation for not having a pass I'll take the time to fight it in court. Will I lose? Yeah, probably, but I've had enough of the continual governmental wallet mining.
You and several other people have said they will fight a ticket. On what basis do you plan on fighting it? Nobody has responded to my question.
Post by: Band on October 06, 2011, 02:46:51 PM
I'm open to ideas. ;)If I happen to get a citation for not having a pass I'll take the time to fight it in court. Will I lose? Yeah, probably, but I've had enough of the continual governmental wallet mining.
You and several other people have said they will fight a ticket. On what basis do you plan on fighting it? Nobody has responded to my question.
Like I said I would expect to lose in court but I wouldn't go down without a fight--it would be my way of making my voice heard. Personally, I think it's BS that folks sit around on the public dime thinking of ways to get in my wallet.
Post by: SniperDanWA on October 06, 2011, 06:35:41 PM
Post by: Huntbear on October 06, 2011, 06:59:26 PM
Post by: crazyantler on October 06, 2011, 08:22:02 PM
Post by: runamuk on October 06, 2011, 08:27:30 PM
Maybe someone answered it but if you have a hunting license with the vehicle permit do you still need discover pass. I heard everyone will need it next year but not if you have a hunting license currently?
yes you still need it for state parks and dnr lands, the one we get with hunting/fishing licenses is only for wdfw managed lands and if those lands are in a checkerboard of dnr lands you still could be ticketed....
Post by: bobcat on October 06, 2011, 08:27:51 PM
Post by: Yelm hunter on October 06, 2011, 08:34:31 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 06, 2011, 09:04:39 PM
Maybe someone answered it but if you have a hunting license with the vehicle permit do you still need discover pass. I heard everyone will need it next year but not if you have a hunting license currently?the one we get with hunting/fishing licenses is only for wdfw managed lands and if those lands are in a checkerboard of dnr lands you still could be ticketed....
If there is checkerboarded WDFW/DNR lands look and see if the DNR land is managed under a WDFW Wildlife Area. There are DNR, BLM, and USFS lands that are apart of WDFW Wildlife Areas and in these areas you can use either the Discover Pass or the WDFW Pass.
Post by: runamuk on October 06, 2011, 09:15:51 PM
nope this is the naneum and the sign was real explicit saying your wdfw pass is no good here :bash: so another area i could sort of access off the listMaybe someone answered it but if you have a hunting license with the vehicle permit do you still need discover pass. I heard everyone will need it next year but not if you have a hunting license currently?the one we get with hunting/fishing licenses is only for wdfw managed lands and if those lands are in a checkerboard of dnr lands you still could be ticketed....
If there is checkerboarded WDFW/DNR lands look and see if the DNR land is managed under a WDFW Wildlife Area. There are DNR, BLM, and USFS lands that are apart of WDFW Wildlife Areas and in these areas you can use either the Discover Pass or the WDFW Pass.
Post by: bobcat on October 06, 2011, 09:24:50 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 06, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
nope this is the naneum and the sign was real explicit saying your wdfw pass is no good here :bash: so another area i could sort of access off the listMaybe someone answered it but if you have a hunting license with the vehicle permit do you still need discover pass. I heard everyone will need it next year but not if you have a hunting license currently?the one we get with hunting/fishing licenses is only for wdfw managed lands and if those lands are in a checkerboard of dnr lands you still could be ticketed....
If there is checkerboarded WDFW/DNR lands look and see if the DNR land is managed under a WDFW Wildlife Area. There are DNR, BLM, and USFS lands that are apart of WDFW Wildlife Areas and in these areas you can use either the Discover Pass or the WDFW Pass.
You were in the Naneum State Forest which is a DNR area requiring the Discover Pass. If you are on DNR lands which is apart of the Colockum Wildlife Area you can use either pass.
To see which DNR land is Naneum St Forest and which DNR land is Colockum Wildlife area look at this map: http://wdfw.wa.gov/webmaps/gohunt/wildlife_area_pdf/wla_colockum.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/webmaps/gohunt/wildlife_area_pdf/wla_colockum.pdf)
The pink lands that are within that blue line boundary are within the Wildlife Area, outside of the line your on state forest
Post by: runamuk on October 06, 2011, 09:36:44 PM
Post by: crazyantler on October 07, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
Someone mark my words that they will start charging a endorsement fee on license to be in possesion of naturaly shedded antlers soon. I dont think I am giving the WDFW any ideas when it comes to this issue but they are probably trying to figure out the legalities with doing it as we speak!
Post by: bigtex on October 07, 2011, 01:12:16 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I will be hunting the little naches peaches unit for rifle and dont have the checkerboard map but I assume there is DNR area there and not all wildlife area so I would need this pass if I am in the woods or on trails? Anyone framiliar with that area and needing the pass? What a racket just to increase some revenue. I can understand access to state/federal parks or improved beauocratic lands but for just being out in the woods is irritating.
The Little Naches area is USFS land. You do not need either the WDFW or the Discover Pass. If anything you will need the NW Forest Pass but that is only for developed trailheads.
Post by: crazyantler on October 07, 2011, 09:10:45 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 07, 2011, 09:16:19 PM
If the wicked witch of Olympia has her way.. that money will be spent on anything BUT Parks or DNR Land..
Kinda sounds like stealing all of our ATV funds..................and using it for other things it's not supposed to be used for. Typical thieving' gubmint !
Post by: billythekidrock on October 09, 2011, 06:17:22 AM
If the wicked witch of Olympia has her way.. that money will be spent on anything BUT Parks or DNR Land..
Kinda sounds like stealing all of our ATV funds..................and using it for other things it's not supposed to be used for. Typical thieving' gubmint !
Funny you should mention that.
That is exactly what I was told by enforcement. That the "old fees" are being used for "other programs" and the new pass is just a new "land tax".
Post by: brush hunter on October 09, 2011, 07:35:47 AM
well maybe i'll just turn you all into the game department for saying you don't need one!Start with me :salute:
Post by: brush hunter on October 09, 2011, 07:39:31 AM
No you don't have to buy a new permit!! You can call the Dept. of fish & wildlife tell them you got new plates and they will either send you a new permit with your new license plate preprinted or a sticker for your current pass. Not sure though. My uncle went through the same thing and that what he did.:lol4: :lol4: :lol4: :lol4: :tinfoil:
Post by: brush hunter on October 09, 2011, 07:42:06 AM
If the wicked witch of Olympia has her way.. that money will be spent on anything BUT Parks or DNR Land..Maybe another $80,000 trip to France :dunno:
Post by: fireweed on October 09, 2011, 12:48:46 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 09, 2011, 03:15:26 PM
If the wicked witch of Olympia has her way.. that money will be spent on anything BUT Parks or DNR Land..
Kinda sounds like stealing all of our ATV funds..................and using it for other things it's not supposed to be used for. Typical thieving' gubmint !
Funny you should mention that.
That is exactly what I was told by enforcement. That the "old fees" are being used for "other programs" and the new pass is just a new "land tax".
..............and the thieving' democrats have to put the money back into OUR ATV funds. They cannot use it for anything else from what I understand.
Post by: bigtex on October 09, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
They could have just required it on Developed sites, like the USFS does, but they chose to expand their definition of "designated" and basically turn this pass into a state land entry fee. Everyone needs to write a smart, detailed gripe letter on the ills of the Discover Pass and send it to their state Rep before the 2012 legislative session. Brian Blake, head of Nat Resources, has already vowed to improve the pass...and he never believed it was intended to be used on undeveloped DNR land, although he was a sponsor. Griping to each other doesn't really help UNLESS we also gripe to the right people, in lots of ways and in BIG NUMBERS.
I actually blame Blake for these issues. He made the bill, he is the one that passed the bill with the wording "operating" meaning if you drive on DNR/WDFW lands you need it. But then he goes to the press and says he thought it was going to be a parking pass? B.S. I hate it when legislators pass bills and have no clue what it really is about, and Blake was a sponsor!
Also, DNR never did change their wording of "designated". Maybe the reps should have asked DNR for a list of areas that would need the pass then put that into law, and if DNR wants additional areas they need to ask the legislature???
Here is how DNR decides what areas need the pass:
http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/em_fs11_021.pdf (http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/em_fs11_021.pdf)
Post by: fireweed on October 10, 2011, 08:13:33 AM
Post by: mainer78 on October 11, 2011, 09:35:36 AM
Post by: AKBowman on October 11, 2011, 11:00:40 AM
I have no problem paying for the Pass. I some other states you pay more.... Plus when I was at Millersylvania this summer enjoying the day at the water, there was ALOT less people there, and the ones who were there were nice anc courteous. The pass does weed out alot of idiots. Last summer you could barley find a place to sit, and there were morons everywhere, and fights. Hopefully this fall there will be alot less idiots out in the woods because of the passes.... Just my .02!!
Yes that is the trend in this state, less and less hunters. WDFW makes it harder and harder to figure out when where and how to legally hunt in this state plus they make it more and more cost prohibitive every year. Soon enough you wont have to worry about all of the idiots in the woods b/c we will lose our right to hunt if we dont get new hunters every year. The Discover Pass is bull what the hell do I pay taxes for if i need to buy a pass to pull off the side of a road and mtn bike behind a locked gate on land that my taxes go to maintaining?!
Post by: lilshootergirl on October 24, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 24, 2011, 05:47:10 PM