Post by: ribka on September 19, 2011, 07:27:51 PM
Disgusting. Found this on another hunting web site. Feel free to comment on you tube
Idiots!!!
Post by: vandeman17 on September 19, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
Post by: crazyantler on September 19, 2011, 07:51:26 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on September 19, 2011, 07:54:57 PM
second: great example of showing a kid ethical hunting :rolleyes:
third: you didnt "smoke it" you paralyzed it and then talked about "just let it bleed out"
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Post by: seth30 on September 19, 2011, 09:40:33 PM
That was a bad video. All standing up driving to the animal. You could hear the guys talking loudly the entire time and missing with the first. The other guy telling him to shoot it in the a$$. Then they are proud of a bad shot that gets it near the spine. These guys are slob hunters. That's a video that should have never been placed on You Tube. Idiots like this is what gets all the anti hunters fired up.:yeah:
Post by: OSCAR1987 on September 19, 2011, 09:49:16 PM
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Post by: Atroxus on September 20, 2011, 09:12:30 AM
I flagged it for removal as well reason given "Animal abuse". Apparently some posters also forwarded the video to Utah wildlife department as well.
Post by: npaull on September 20, 2011, 09:37:14 AM
Post by: 724wd on September 20, 2011, 09:55:17 AM
it's a 2 minute 50 second video. the shot that connected was at 1:20. at the end of the 2:50, the men were on the animal and assuming they didn't stand there and BS for half an hour, i would guess the deer was dead 2 minutes after being shot. My first archery deer lived a hell of a lot longer than 2 minutes after i shot him too far back and he traveled almost 500 yards, laying down at least once.
65 yards, hard quartering away, low percentage shot, agreed. but they stuck the deer and it was immobilized, allowing them to get on it pretty quickly, i'd say, and kill it. not a shot i would have taken, but the shooter felt confident and made an 'OK' shot. he didn't shoot it in the @ss like his buddy wanted. he didn't get a perfect heart/lung, but as stated, my first deer (25 yards) wasn't shot well either. $hit happens at all ranges.
whooping and hollering? not how I celebrate a forked horn muley buck, but if i ever draw another big bull tag and connect, who knows what kind of celebration i'll throw.
should they have filmed the hunt? sure. post it on youtube? no. not without some editing, at least. would the video have been less objectionable to you if there was a sound track and you didn't see them driving down the two track first? In my opinion they could have done without the close up of the downed deer looking into the camera. Killing isn't my favorite part of hunting, but without the kill, you might as well just take a walk in the woods. you can't eat the pictures.
as for the road hunting, if you were moving to another hunting area, spotted a buck bedded down off a two-track, your buddy stood up in the back to watch him. you piled out of your rig, missed the first shot, took a low percentage second shot that connected (maybe you got caught up in the excitement and felt some pressure to redeem yourself in front of your friends, who knows :dunno:). you buddies whoop it up, you close in on the immobilized deer within 2 minutes. call me crazy, but other than the low percentage shot and the overly excited celebration, i'm ok with it. he killed his deer fairly cleanly, and pretty quickly.
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FLAME ON!
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on September 20, 2011, 10:17:04 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 20, 2011, 10:30:26 AM
Was staring right up it's poop hole, the camera man had a bad angle and he was further to the right of the shooter. I'm surprised I didn't hear "hold my beer, watch this". These guys need to rifle hunt or not hunt at all and not call themselves bow hunters.No. That is not representative of how rifle hunters are either. Then it would've been 25 shots before wounding it at 650 yards.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on September 20, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
Post by: Atroxus on September 20, 2011, 11:00:25 AM
alright, flame on guys... :fire.:
:twocents:
FLAME ON!
You asked for it....there is a difference between an animal that is wounded and you have to take the time to track it down to finish it, and an animal lying practically at your feet; wounded but obviously alive and still struggling to get away. I don't have a problem with people who celebrate their kills when they are certain the animal is indeed dead. It's another story to stand around celebrating the "kill" before the animal is dead though. If you think celebrating is more important than doing everything reasonably within your power to kill the animal as cleanly and quickly as you can, then in my opinion you should not be hunting. I can see the need for waiting before tracking a wounded animal so you don't end up with it travelling even farther and taking even longer to die. However when it became apparent the deer was alive but unable to move they should have got up close enough to finish the job instead of just standing around watching it suffer and cheering each other. And even at the end it never shows them finish the deer, for all we know they could have killed it as soon as the video stopped rolling, or they could have kept right on hooting and hollering for another half an hour waiting for it to bleed out.
Post by: 724wd on September 20, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
You asked for it....there is a difference between an animal that is wounded and you have to take the time to track it down to finish it, and an animal lying practically at your feet; wounded but obviously alive and still struggling to get away. I don't have a problem with people who celebrate their kills when they are certain the animal is indeed dead. It's another story to stand around celebrating the "kill" before the animal is dead though. If you think celebrating is more important than doing everything reasonably within your power to kill the animal as cleanly and quickly as you can, then in my opinion you should not be hunting. I can see the need for waiting before tracking a wounded animal so you don't end up with it travelling even farther and taking even longer to die. However when it became apparent the deer was alive but unable to move they should have got up close enough to finish the job instead of just standing around watching it suffer and cheering each other. And even at the end it never shows them finish the deer, for all we know they could have killed it as soon as the video stopped rolling, or they could have kept right on hooting and hollering for another half an hour waiting for it to bleed out.
you're right, we don't know how long it took them to kill the deer, same as we don't know just who was doing the majority of the celebrating. but they were on top of the deer within 1 minute 30 seconds, which doesn't seem too bad to me. figure walking 65 yards on flat ground will take a young adult 40 seconds (5 feet per second, 195 feet), add in sage and uphill walk, stopping once and drawing the bow trying for a finishing shot before the deer moved behind some sage, making the shot impossible. 90 seconds. all told, that's not very long.
Post by: Stilly bay on September 20, 2011, 12:27:17 PM
alright, flame on guys... :fire.:
it's a 2 minute 50 second video. the shot that connected was at 1:20. at the end of the 2:50, the men were on the animal and assuming they didn't stand there and BS for half an hour, i would guess the deer was dead 2 minutes after being shot. My first archery deer lived a hell of a lot longer than 2 minutes after i shot him too far back and he traveled almost 500 yards, laying down at least once.
65 yards, hard quartering away, low percentage shot, agreed. but they stuck the deer and it was immobilized, allowing them to get on it pretty quickly, i'd say, and kill it. not a shot i would have taken, but the shooter felt confident and made an 'OK' shot. he didn't shoot it in the @ss like his buddy wanted. he didn't get a perfect heart/lung, but as stated, my first deer (25 yards) wasn't shot well either. $hit happens at all ranges.
whooping and hollering? not how I celebrate a forked horn muley buck, but if i ever draw another big bull tag and connect, who knows what kind of celebration i'll throw.
should they have filmed the hunt? sure. post it on youtube? no. not without some editing, at least. would the video have been less objectionable to you if there was a sound track and you didn't see them driving down the two track first? In my opinion they could have done without the close up of the downed deer looking into the camera. Killing isn't my favorite part of hunting, but without the kill, you might as well just take a walk in the woods. you can't eat the pictures.
as for the road hunting, if you were moving to another hunting area, spotted a buck bedded down off a two-track, your buddy stood up in the back to watch him. you piled out of your rig, missed the first shot, took a low percentage second shot that connected (maybe you got caught up in the excitement and felt some pressure to redeem yourself in front of your friends, who knows :dunno:). you buddies whoop it up, you close in on the immobilized deer within 2 minutes. call me crazy, but other than the low percentage shot and the overly excited celebration, i'm ok with it. he killed his deer fairly cleanly, and pretty quickly.
:twocents:
FLAME ON!
although I feel a bit dirty saying this... after some thought I agree with most of the above statement.
how often does this happen in camps comprised mainly of younger guys? I would say way more than anyone would like to believe. and how many of those young men with blood in their eye move on to be respectful hunters who's stomachs would turn just from watching a video like this?
any time we video a hunt we make ourselves and our sport vulnerable to the perception of others. rarely can a non hunter see that we respect or disrespect an animal, they only see the death. sometimes the death is quick and clean and sometimes its long and hard. humans invented quick and clean, the animals are used to long, hard, slow deaths at the hands of starvation or coyotes.
Many times other hunters ( in this situation) can't see every thing that went down while this was filmed, so we were left to our own perceptions. when i watched this last night I wanted to hang my arrows up for good and was disgusted at the whooping and hollering and the suffering. but how many times have I disguised my own soft emotions after a kill as laughter for the sake of my company and manliness?
there is a much bigger picture than what was on youtube, and wether its right or wrong it sure as hell shouldn't have been put up for the whole world to judge.
Post by: wreckerman5357 on September 20, 2011, 01:50:17 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on September 20, 2011, 01:53:54 PM
It was a questionable shot. No one can argue that. The complaining about the road hunting is funny though. I am not one to spend the day hunting the road. I will take the opportunity to take a buck or a gobblers if presented the situation while I am driving. We don't know that these guys were strictly roadhunters or if this was an opportunity they exploited while heading to another hunting spots. I would bet that most everybody on here would take a buck from the roadside provided they could do so safely and legally. It would make an interesting poll. I think I will make one.
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Post by: GCRocketman on September 20, 2011, 02:50:19 PM
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Many times other hunters ( in this situation) can't see every thing that went down while this was filmed, so we were left to our own perceptions. when i watched this last night I wanted to hang my arrows up for good and was disgusted at the whooping and hollering and the suffering. but how many times have I disguised my own soft emotions after a kill as laughter for the sake of my company and manliness?
there is a much bigger picture than what was on youtube, and wether its right or wrong it sure as hell shouldn't have been put up for the whole world to judge.
I think that is what my issue is ... I know the "elation" of the kill, although I am fairly certain I've never whooped and hollered like that ... my issue is the video itself
"Shoot it in the azz"
The cheers, the hollerin'
Soundtracks are your friend, and this video screams out for one ...
As for the road hunting ... from the view of the jeep that we do get, and the 4 or 5 different voices that are heard ... I'm guessing (educated? Hell, I doubt it's educated its just a guess) that they weren't heading for blinds ... not that many people in (what I'm assuming from the opening shot and the ones following it) 2 separate vehicles ... Not that I'm against road hunting per se ... I will admit to spotting birds and pulling up out of the way to get out and go track 'em down ... but never as a "ways and means" of getting my tag filled. But that's just me.
The video ... needs less sound ... way less sound
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 20, 2011, 02:53:56 PM
That makes me sick! It is guys like that who give the rest of us a bad name. I would love to give those dip S$#ts a piece of my mind, and a bigger piece of my boot in their @$$.:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :yeah:
Post by: Johnb317 on September 20, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
We all know killing an animal isn't pretty and that it's part of nature, but loudly celebrating while the animal is visibly suffering is a bit much.
My experience with Elk is to celebrate by cow calling and or being quiet so the animal doesn't get a shot of adrenalin.
Like it or not we need to be mindful of what we do, and the stories we tell so our children and their children will be able to hunt. imho
Post by: 724wd on September 20, 2011, 03:44:28 PM
There are layers here.... and best to say that this is an excellent anti-hunting film. It would be better without the soundtrack for sure.
We all know killing an animal isn't pretty and that it's part of nature, but loudly celebrating while the animal is visibly suffering is a bit much.
My experience with Elk is to celebrate by cow calling and or being quiet so the animal doesn't get a shot of adrenalin.
Like it or not we need to be mindful of what we do, and the stories we tell so our children and their children will be able to hunt. imho
Well stated! :tup: i agree with everything!
So there's no confusion, i have NOT reacted to killing an animal like those guys did. I HAVE spotted animals from a vehicle and moved in for the kill. I HAVE made bad shots with rifle and bow. i have NOT told someone to "shoot it in the @ss" or filmed my hunts or an animal in distress and posted it for the world to see. I didn't see them do anything "illegal". distasteful, yes, but bad taste isn't against the law. :twocents:
heath
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 20, 2011, 04:52:02 PM
Utah Driving.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u_Mbew4tBk#ws)
Also drinking the big guy has what appears to be Keystone Light can also the kid who goes to help the hunter take the final shot has what appears to be Keystone Light.
I can't beleive some of you who are saying the video is alright. He could of waited for a better shot also. This is why the anti-hunters and PETA hate us as hunters. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Stilly bay on September 20, 2011, 05:02:33 PM
please prove that is a keystone light vs a regular keystone vs a energy drink.
there is road hunting, shooting from a vehicle moving or not, and taking advantage of a situation. since they weren't doing the middle of a freeway I Don't see a huge issue, and its surely not the biggest issue in this video.
its all about perception
Post by: remington300mag on September 20, 2011, 05:46:37 PM
This is why the anti-hunters and PETA hate us as hunters. :bash: :bash: :bash:Hate to tell ya there Mr. Never drank a beer in the woods, Mr. Never spotted an animal from the road, Mr. Never got into the back of the truck for a better vantage point, Mr. Never made a bad shot......Anti Hunters and PETA members hate every hunter equally.....It doesn't matter if you hunt like Bone and hike in 14 miles....or if you shoot from the road.....They don't care if you drink beer or bottled water......They don't care if you are standing in your truck or in a tree..... They hate all hunters.....Even you! I do agree the video was in very poor taste....but try not to :puke: BS comments all over it!!! This is not why they hate us......they hate us for all aspects of the hunt....good or bad!
Post by: 3Under on September 20, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
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Post by: Green Lantern on September 20, 2011, 10:46:26 PM
Post by: 724wd on September 20, 2011, 11:00:16 PM
It sickened me to watch that clip. I have never seen such a lack of respect for a game animal. What I find more disturbing is that there are people on this site who think this is OK, or who are not at least outraged by the actions of people who will now be viewed publicly as "hunters." By not condemning the actions of those who tarnish our name, you are adding fuel to the anti's fire. And remember, it's not the anti's that we need to worry about, it is the vast majority of the non-hunting public who would see this video and be sickened as well.
I agree with much of what you say. in no way did i enjoy the video. not a shot i would take, nor encourage. but not illegal. you're right about the 80 percent of the population vs. the anti's. trouble is, once idiots put stuff like this out of the internet, it can be widely viewed and distributed. that's why i encourage heavy editing or better yet, not youtubing it!
i dont celebrate the death of the animal i hunt, but death is the ultimate outcome of hunting. no death is pretty, and some are worse than others. this example was ugly, but in reality, pretty damn quick compared to a gut or flank shot.
as to condemning and being outraged... what will be the result? are you going to change the way these fellas hunt by chastising them? or will that just fracture the hunting community further, resulting in a less unified front against the anti's? you don't agree with their method of hunting. by the looks of the video, i don't either. but we'll do better by promoting archery practices such as not taking low percentage shots and not drinking while hunting (if indeed they are). there will always be people that take low percentage shots, make bad shots, road hunt, drink and hunt, shoot beyond their limits, make mistakes and generally screw up. until the horn porn crowd and hunting competitions end, people will do whatever it takes to kill the big one, shoot farther for bragging rights and generally make asses of themselves. but it's not limited to hunting. there are people in this country now that can't afford health insurance, but by golly, they got themselves a big ol' flat screen, 22" rims on their $40,000 rig and a bag of weed for their night blindness. poor hunting practices are only a symptom of a much larger problem. :twocents:
Post by: Green Lantern on September 20, 2011, 11:05:02 PM
Post by: finnman on September 20, 2011, 11:21:39 PM
That deer did no doubt die faster than most archery shot critters! The reason this looked so bad is because it was on video! Animals die and suffer when shot with an arrow......thats the truth, don't try to camoflage it or sugar coat it, its just a fact.
Still doesn't surprise me....they are Utards after all.
Post by: firefighter4607 on September 21, 2011, 04:31:58 AM
Please PM when you are hunting and in what unit because from some of your posts I don't want to be even near you!!! You seem to stand up for shooting wolves illegally so I don't expect you to say that they are horrible people to post this video on the web. And yes the anti's feed off of videos like this and comments like you make. United we stand Divided we fall.The shot was bad; 65 yards with a bow, the deer was not standing broadside and it was moving!!! HE SHOULDN'T OF TAKEN THE SHOT!!!!!! If you don't feel the shot is right, don't take it, you will get another chance. As I said look at the video the jeep is moving in the first few seconds......This is why the anti-hunters and PETA hate us as hunters. :bash: :bash: :bash:Hate to tell ya there Mr. Never drank a beer in the woods, Mr. Never spotted an animal from the road, Mr. Never got into the back of the truck for a better vantage point, Mr. Never made a bad shot......Anti Hunters and PETA members hate every hunter equally.....I do agree the video was in very poor taste....but try not to :puke: BS comments all over it!!! This is not why they hate us......they hate us for all aspects of the hunt....good or bad!
As far as you calling me out as Mr never Drank a beer in the woods, Yeah I have but that is when I was camping and didn't have any type of weapon around!!! Sure I might of gone into town to have a few drinks after hunting but still no weapons. I don't hunt and drink First because it is illegal and second its a stupid thing to do!!! I would bet money that the cans that I saw in the video were not Red Bulls!!!!!! Of course I see animals from the road all the time, pretty sure everyone has. And why would I ride in the back of the truck for a vantage point....Really!!! Bad shots yeah everyone has a bad day but I don't post it saying yeah that was a great shot I took him down, for gosh sake the deer was wounded it wasn't a great shot!!! And the comment about shooting him in the ass!!!! Yeah those guys are my hero's for taking down a basket buck. They acted like it was the next world record.
Talk about a kettle calling the pot black you post on the wolf thread that we need to voice our opinions about wolves and other issues that come up about hunting...But I guess if my voice is different than yours you can tell me what I posted is wrong and I shouldn't put BS comments all over it!!!! :bash:
Post by: remington300mag on September 21, 2011, 05:03:54 AM
Actually, I did write that this video was in poor taste....I do not agree with posting such a video on the net....But you wrote, "This is why Anti hunters and Peta Hates us"....I was just pointing out that Peta and the antis hate an ethical hunter just as much as an unethical one! As for the part where you say you will drive into town and have a drink or two....but not while hunting.....Are you now saying it is ok to drink and drive??? Isn't a vehicle a weapon???Please PM when you are hunting and in what unit because from some of your posts I don't want to be even near you!!! You seem to stand up for shooting wolves illegally so I don't expect you to say that they are horrible people to post this video on the web. And yes the anti's feed off of videos like this and comments like you make. United we stand Divided we fall.The shot was bad; 65 yards with a bow, the deer was not standing broadside and it was moving!!! HE SHOULDN'T OF TAKEN THE SHOT!!!!!! If you don't feel the shot is right, don't take it, you will get another chance. As I said look at the video the jeep is moving in the first few seconds......This is why the anti-hunters and PETA hate us as hunters. :bash: :bash: :bash:Hate to tell ya there Mr. Never drank a beer in the woods, Mr. Never spotted an animal from the road, Mr. Never got into the back of the truck for a better vantage point, Mr. Never made a bad shot......Anti Hunters and PETA members hate every hunter equally.....I do agree the video was in very poor taste....but try not to :puke: BS comments all over it!!! This is not why they hate us......they hate us for all aspects of the hunt....good or bad!
As far as you calling me out as Mr never Drank a beer in the woods, Yeah I have but that is when I was camping and didn't have any type of weapon around!!! Sure I might of gone into town to have a few drinks after hunting but still no weapons. I don't hunt and drink First because it is illegal and second its a stupid thing to do!!! I would bet money that the cans that I saw in the video were not Red Bulls!!!!!! Of course I see animals from the road all the time, pretty sure everyone has. And why would I ride in the back of the truck for a vantage point....Really!!! Bad shots yeah everyone has a bad day but I don't post it saying yeah that was a great shot I took him down, for gosh sake the deer was wounded it was a great shot!!! And the comment about shooting him in the ass!!!! Yeah those guys are my hero's for taking down a basket buck. They acted like it was the next world record.
Talk about a kettle calling the pot black you post on the wolf thread that we need to voice our opinions about wolves and other issues that come up about hunting...But I guess if my voice is different than yours you can tell me what I posted is wrong and I shouldn't put BS comments all over it!!!! :bash:
Oh and last but not least....gotta leave to go hunting....Are you serious if I PM you, you will stay away from where I am hunting??? Do you think that will work for everyone??? Cause if this is all it took to get the woods to myself....I should have spoke up long ago!!! LOL
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 21, 2011, 05:20:00 AM
Please PM when you are hunting and in what unit because from some of your posts I don't want to be even near you!!! You seem to stand up for shooting wolves illegally so I don't expect you to say that they are horrible people to post this video on the web. And yes the anti's feed off of videos like this and comments like you make. United we stand Divided we fall.The shot was bad; 65 yards with a bow, the deer was not standing broadside and it was moving!!! HE SHOULDN'T OF TAKEN THE SHOT!!!!!! If you don't feel the shot is right, don't take it, you will get another chance. As I said look at the video the jeep is moving in the first few seconds......This is why the anti-hunters and PETA hate us as hunters. :bash: :bash: :bash:Hate to tell ya there Mr. Never drank a beer in the woods, Mr. Never spotted an animal from the road, Mr. Never got into the back of the truck for a better vantage point, Mr. Never made a bad shot......Anti Hunters and PETA members hate every hunter equally.....I do agree the video was in very poor taste....but try not to :puke: BS comments all over it!!! This is not why they hate us......they hate us for all aspects of the hunt....good or bad!
As far as you calling me out as Mr never Drank a beer in the woods, Yeah I have but that is when I was camping and didn't have any type of weapon around!!! Sure I might of gone into town to have a few drinks after hunting but still no weapons. I don't hunt and drink First because it is illegal and second its a stupid thing to do!!! I would bet money that the cans that I saw in the video were not Red Bulls!!!!!! Of course I see animals from the road all the time, pretty sure everyone has. And why would I ride in the back of the truck for a vantage point....Really!!! Bad shots yeah everyone has a bad day but I don't post it saying yeah that was a great shot I took him down, for gosh sake the deer was wounded it was a great shot!!! And the comment about shooting him in the ass!!!! Yeah those guys are my hero's for taking down a basket buck. They acted like it was the next world record.
Talk about a kettle calling the pot black you post on the wolf thread that we need to voice our opinions about wolves and other issues that come up about hunting...But I guess if my voice is different than yours you can tell me what I posted is wrong and I shouldn't put BS comments all over it!!!! :bash:
:yeah:
Post by: jason4429 on September 21, 2011, 05:49:32 AM
Post by: Miles on September 21, 2011, 05:56:55 AM
I think you guys may want to watch the video again . That deer was hit almost perfectly.I do believe these guys are morons for sure,but they didn't shoot the deer in the hindquarters.Look where the blood is coming out of his side.
I guess that depends on your definition of the word perfect...
IMO that was not a "perfect" shot. It was a spine shot (with not much penetration) that grounded the animal. It was far from a quick, clean kill.
Being paralyzed and dying are two different things.
Post by: MADMAX on September 21, 2011, 05:57:21 AM
Post by: C-Money on September 21, 2011, 06:50:57 AM
Firefighter4607, the morning air is crisp, lets go hunting!!
Post by: ribka on September 21, 2011, 07:26:57 AM
I think you guys may want to watch the video again . That deer was hit almost perfectly.I do believe these guys are morons for sure,but they didn't shoot the deer in the hindquarters.Look where the blood is coming out of his side.
Nice catch in the photo firefighter. Did not see the can of beer by the fat guy
I have shot many animals with a bow and have never had a heart and lung shot animal paralyzed. As stated he hit high in the spine after missing an easy 40 yd shot. Amazing hunters on here defending this *censored* bag's actions
Post by: C-Money on September 21, 2011, 09:35:17 AM
Post by: Tacomahunter on September 21, 2011, 10:30:02 AM
Post by: 3Under on September 21, 2011, 06:49:32 PM
It sickened me to watch that clip. I have never seen such a lack of respect for a game animal. What I find more disturbing is that there are people on this site who think this is OK, or who are not at least outraged by the actions of people who will now be viewed publicly as "hunters." By not condemning the actions of those who tarnish our name, you are adding fuel to the anti's fire. And remember, it's not the anti's that we need to worry about, it is the vast majority of the non-hunting public who would see this video and be sickened as well.
I agree with much of what you say. in no way did i enjoy the video. not a shot i would take, nor encourage. but not illegal. you're right about the 80 percent of the population vs. the anti's. trouble is, once idiots put stuff like this out of the internet, it can be widely viewed and distributed. that's why i encourage heavy editing or better yet, not youtubing it!
i dont celebrate the death of the animal i hunt, but death is the ultimate outcome of hunting. no death is pretty, and some are worse than others. this example was ugly, but in reality, pretty damn quick compared to a gut or flank shot.
as to condemning and being outraged... what will be the result? are you going to change the way these fellas hunt by chastising them? or will that just fracture the hunting community further, resulting in a less unified front against the anti's? you don't agree with their method of hunting. by the looks of the video, i don't either. but we'll do better by promoting archery practices such as not taking low percentage shots and not drinking while hunting (if indeed they are). there will always be people that take low percentage shots, make bad shots, road hunt, drink and hunt, shoot beyond their limits, make mistakes and generally screw up. until the horn porn crowd and hunting competitions end, people will do whatever it takes to kill the big one, shoot farther for bragging rights and generally make asses of themselves. but it's not limited to hunting. there are people in this country now that can't afford health insurance, but by golly, they got themselves a big ol' flat screen, 22" rims on their $40,000 rig and a bag of weed for their night blindness. poor hunting practices are only a symptom of a much larger problem. :twocents:
I disagree with much of what you say... You make it sound as if there is no way to curb this sort of behavior - "it's going to happen whether we like it or not, so as long as they edit the video before posting on youtube, everything will be OK." B.S. Obviously these guys don't see the wrong (I'm talking ethically, not legally - there is a difference) in what they've done, otherwise they would not have posted the video. Without chastising them, they will continue with their public displays of *censored*baggery and we will all suffer because of it. Condemning them may fracture the hunting community, but sometimes the herd needs to be culled. I would much rather have a slightly smaller, more unified group of responsible individuals in our community than share the name "hunter" with those shown in this video.
And blaming their lack of respect on the overarching problems of our modern society is a bunch of B.S. too. It's past time for individuals to take responsibility for their actions. Maybe when people begin to do so, our societal woes will dissipate. :twocents:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 21, 2011, 06:54:41 PM
If you watch the first few seconds of the video the Jeep with the big guy in it is moving it pulls up to the others. They have a bow on top of the window 2 guys standing on it like they are trying to get to the highest point and also the cubby guy has a beer. Please try to tell me that you drive from spot to spot standing in the back of a Jeep with your bow sitting next to you. That is the classic signs of road hunting.WELL ITS Pretty fricken obvisious the big guy does not hike much !!!! :dunno:
Utah Driving.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u_Mbew4tBk#ws)
Also drinking the big guy has what appears to be Keystone Light can also the kid who goes to help the hunter take the final shot has what appears to be Keystone Light.
I can't beleive some of you who are saying the video is alright. He could of waited for a better shot also. This is why the anti-hunters and PETA hate us as hunters. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: seth30 on September 21, 2011, 06:57:58 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on September 21, 2011, 07:04:30 PM
Post by: Tacomahunter on September 21, 2011, 07:12:21 PM
Bottom line is videos like that just put another nail in the coffin for us. Great example of why hunters get a bad rap and unfortunately sometimes deservedly so.:yeah:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 21, 2011, 07:41:25 PM
Post by: jason4429 on September 21, 2011, 09:00:51 PM
I was not defending them at all .They are definetly idiots .I think you guys may want to watch the video again . That deer was hit almost perfectly.I do believe these guys are morons for sure,but they didn't shoot the deer in the hindquarters.Look where the blood is coming out of his side.
Nice catch in the photo firefighter. Did not see the can of beer by the fat guy
I have shot many animals with a bow and have never had a heart and lung shot animal paralyzed. As stated he hit high in the spine after missing an easy 40 yd shot. Amazing hunters on here defending this *censored* bag's actions
Post by: windygorge on September 21, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
Post by: longknife on September 21, 2011, 10:42:56 PM
Animal was harvested, in a poor manner(nice trophy by the way acting like it was a 200class buck), but death isnt for the faint of heart. Some rifle shots are horable to watch, thinking they can make that 500yrd shot after a beer or two. And if some of you think this dosent happen your wrong, it was just one you saw published.
Post by: 724wd on September 21, 2011, 11:37:30 PM
I disagree with much of what you say... You make it sound as if there is no way to curb this sort of behavior - "it's going to happen whether we like it or not, so as long as they edit the video before posting on youtube, everything will be OK." B.S. Obviously these guys don't see the wrong (I'm talking ethically, not legally - there is a difference) in what they've done, otherwise they would not have posted the video. Without chastising them, they will continue with their public displays of *censored*baggery and we will all suffer because of it. Condemning them may fracture the hunting community, but sometimes the herd needs to be culled. I would much rather have a slightly smaller, more unified group of responsible individuals in our community than share the name "hunter" with those shown in this video.
And blaming their lack of respect on the overarching problems of our modern society is a bunch of B.S. too. It's past time for individuals to take responsibility for their actions. Maybe when people begin to do so, our societal woes will dissipate. :twocents:
I don't think you and i disagree about as much as you think. In my opinion (and that's a big thing to remember, we all have our own opinions) screaming and yelling at those that are bad examples of hunting behavior will not be as effective as proactive promotion of behaviors the majority of the local hunting population champion. I say local because the guys down south and back east think we're crazy for taking shots over 35 yards. in many places I hunt, limiting yourself to 35 yards or less would make for tag soup nearly every year!
and i don't think there is a way to completely curb people taking bad shots, drinking while hunting, whooping it up after the kill and posting it for the world to see. we haven't gotten a handle on poaching in the last 100 years, and NO ONE likes those guys and we all speak out against it, but poaching persists, and according to some, is increasing! there WILL always be a segment of the population that not only breaks laws, but hunts in a manner the majority of hunters disagree with. I'm not saying we try and ignore that type of behavior, i think these issues should be addressed, but addressed in a manner that does less to alienate than educate. Those fellows in this video aren't going to stop hunting no matter what you say, and it is my opinion that criticism alone would be less effective in changing behaviors then criticism coupled with advocacy for hunting practices the majority agree with. also, i guess i don't agree with your assertion that chastising the guys in this video will result in a culled herd. more than likely they will be lifelong hunters and associated with hunters for the duration, good or bad. i am in favor of trying to change their behavior to reflect more positively on the hunting community as a whole, i think we just differ in our approach.
bringing up ethics is an interesting topic. ethics are deeply personal to every individual. You may not feel comfortable taking a 40 yard shot, while the guy that routinely groups 4" at 100 yards thinks it's a chip shot. shooting at an animal at 100 yards is not illegal, but surely not recommended in almost every circumstance. I wouldn't advocate shooting at game over 60 yards, but i don't believe it's up to me to insist that all hunters adhere to my standards and limits. I will gladly SUGGEST they reconsider taking longer shots, and to think carefully about the consequences of those shots, but i cannot condemn them (at least not much) when the result of their actions is a relatively quick kill.
If you don't attribute the behavior shown in the video (primarily the celebration after the kill and the "do anything for a kill" mentality) to societal issues like horn porn hero worship and lack of personal responsibility, then what DO you attribute this behavior to? I think you and i are actually, at least partially, on the same page regarding personal responsibility. the difference being I pointed out that it's not only hunting where we see this behavior, but in almost every faucet of modern day living, ie, welfare recipient with $1500 tv, $40,000 rig and $4000 rims. I wish i could say i was immune to the consumerism of the united states in this decade, but sitting here on my mac laptop, watching my 47" LCD TV, laying on my leather couch in air conditioned comfort... that couldn't be further from the truth. Without going into details, my wife and I should have A LOT more money in the bank than we do, and i blame no one but ourselves for it. we make plenty, but we spend plenty, too! (doing our part for the economy, you know? :chuckle: )
"It's past time for individuals to take responsibility for their actions. Maybe when people begin to do so, our societal woes will dissipate." I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree! :tup:
Now, with everything said here, you can also see my thoughts on the mandatory bowhunter education course thread. I am against it, as an add on, mandatory class. I AM in favor of periodic refreshers for all licensed hunters (we do it with drivers licenses, why not hunting licenses?) during which emphasis on sound hunting practices (shooting within your limits, following up on every shot, tracking, etc) could be covered in more detail than in basic hunters ed. It's been about 20 years since i went through hunters ed, and honestly, i can't tell you much of what was covered. the firearms safety I implement, as well as the majority of my personal hunting 'ethics' comes from my dad. Among my ethics are: I follow up every shot i take, I try to not shoot beyond my ability (but have gotten caught up in the heat of the moment a time or two) and celebrate the hunt, not the kill. I exercise extreme caution with firearms and archery equipment and am working with my 4 year old daughter on the same. but what about those youths that don't have strong role models to mentor them? does basic hunters ed provide them with enough tools to form the strong hunting 'ethics' we all appreciate? every week they watch the guys and gals on outdoor tv and the like shoot only massive deer, giving them the impression that a mature whitetail doe taken at close range can be more of a challenge than the 'trophy' bucks bred and fed solely for antler development and shot over a timed feeder.
I don't agree with what the hunters on the video in question did, but the result was a decently executed marginal shot and (hopefully) a quick kill. in summation, I am in favor of constructive criticism and advocating sound hunting practices! :tup:
Post by: luvz2hunt on September 22, 2011, 08:13:13 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 22, 2011, 11:24:30 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 22, 2011, 11:40:34 AM
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The hollering after the shot was rediculous. Actually makes me sick and ashamed of being a hunter.:yeah: :bash:
Post by: h20hunter on September 22, 2011, 12:03:18 PM
Post by: 724wd on September 22, 2011, 12:26:16 PM
They certainly don't represent me!
they may not represent the ideals you hunt with, but by placing their video on youtube, they represent ALL hunters in the public eye. (hence my urging people to edit their videos if they insist on posting them.)
and i've never heard someone hoot and holler like that after shooting an animal. not something i find in good taste, not matter how proud they were of a 65 yard spine shot. :bash:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 22, 2011, 02:36:15 PM
However everyone I hunt with would turn very solemn and quiet if a animal was hit like that.... the shooter would quietly approach the animal and put a quality shot on him/her. When the animal had passed things would be quiet for quite awhile and then we'd slowly get over it and know that we did the right thing. At no time would we exibit the kind of bafoonary that these assclowns partook in!!
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 22, 2011, 02:46:20 PM
It would be one thing if it dropped dead...
However everyone I hunt with would turn very solemn and quiet if a animal was hit like that.... the shooter would quietly approach the animal and put a quality shot on him/her. When the animal had passed things would be quiet for quite awhile and then we'd slowly get over it and know that we did the right thing. At no time would we exibit the kind of bafoonary that these assclowns partook in!!
I commented on the video on the YouTube page. It shows a great many other hunters have, as well. I saw few positive responses.
Post by: 724wd on September 22, 2011, 03:13:59 PM
his description is interesting.
"Advisory: Video graphically shows a mule deer paralyzed when shot in the back. He was killed off camera moments after the shot. Hunting is the deliberate "harvesting" of wildlife which this video intimately and graphically depicts, often unseen in the field, rarely filmed, and from which hunters are largely disconnected from. My intention as a freshman bow-hunter was the humane killing of this beautiful sentient animal, and while the difficult and imperfect shot was grossly celebrated, this is a responsibility I do not take for granted. I am sharing this as an educational experience that impacted me and in no way as a celebration or advertisement of the inevitable brutality that accompanies bow hunting but as an obtrusive illustration. If enough informed senior hunters feel this to be an impressionable video that will contribute to a negative misunderstanding of the sport, message me and I will remove it for the sake of the hunting community."
Post by: Buckhunter24 on September 22, 2011, 03:41:53 PM
Post by: got2hunt on September 22, 2011, 08:28:52 PM
Post by: windygorge on September 22, 2011, 09:49:38 PM
This would have been better if he would follow up and put the poor deer out of misery. There would be a lot of suffering the animal didn't have to endure. I recently made my first bowkill...it was not ideal but at least I followed up ASAP to relieve the animal. This video should be required viewing for new bow hunters as an example of when to keep shooting.
i don't think this nor a follow up shot while an animal is dying is the type of video that should be displayed on youtube for all to see. show some class and wait till the animal is dead,then record. even as hunters, it is unpleasant to watch.
Post by: Jeremy Leaf on September 23, 2011, 03:38:34 AM
Post by: MADMAX on September 23, 2011, 05:35:09 AM
:yeah:This would have been better if he would follow up and put the poor deer out of misery. There would be a lot of suffering the animal didn't have to endure. I recently made my first bowkill...it was not ideal but at least I followed up ASAP to relieve the animal. This video should be required viewing for new bow hunters as an example of when to keep shooting.
i don't think this nor a follow up shot while an animal is dying is the type of video that should be displayed on youtube for all to see. show some class and wait till the animal is dead,then record. even as hunters, it is unpleasant to watch.
Post by: Wyoming08 on September 23, 2011, 09:44:53 AM
That was pretty sad! Typical Utah "Trophy" hunters..
And believe you me I know plenty of them...I grew up there! :sry:
Post by: Klyne3 on September 23, 2011, 10:43:56 AM
i never looked at the comments...
his description is interesting.
"Advisory: Video graphically shows a mule deer paralyzed when shot in the back. He was killed off camera moments after the shot. Hunting is the deliberate "harvesting" of wildlife which this video intimately and graphically depicts, often unseen in the field, rarely filmed, and from which hunters are largely disconnected from. My intention as a freshman bow-hunter was the humane killing of this beautiful sentient animal, and while the difficult and imperfect shot was grossly celebrated, this is a responsibility I do not take for granted. I am sharing this as an educational experience that impacted me and in no way as a celebration or advertisement of the inevitable brutality that accompanies bow hunting but as an obtrusive illustration. If enough informed senior hunters feel this to be an impressionable video that will contribute to a negative misunderstanding of the sport, message me and I will remove it for the sake of the hunting community."
I don't think many people would even take the time to read that either before or after the video. The video is still up with a lot of comments calling for it to be taken down. Plus I just dont really understand this sentance either..... "Hunting is the deliberate "harvesting" of wildlife which this video intimately and graphically depicts, often unseen in the field, rarely filmed, and from which hunters are largely disconnected from." not sure how we are disconnected from it and I konw that I have watched many filmed hunts. :dunno:
Post by: willmag on September 23, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 23, 2011, 01:22:59 PM
:yeah:This would have been better if he would follow up and put the poor deer out of misery. There would be a lot of suffering the animal didn't have to endure. I recently made my first bowkill...it was not ideal but at least I followed up ASAP to relieve the animal. This video should be required viewing for new bow hunters as an example of when to keep shooting.
i don't think this nor a follow up shot while an animal is dying is the type of video that should be displayed on youtube for all to see. show some class and wait till the animal is dead,then record. even as hunters, it is unpleasant to watch.
:yeah: Are you kidding me i love watching filmed hunts. You find it unpleasant to watch??? I found this unpleasant to watch due to the utards gettin all yeehawww hootin an hollerin over a small two point. Not cause a deer died that's what you get when you watch hunting films. If they never showed kill shots i probably wouldnt watch that's the exciteing part. I've wrote this guy on you tube and i suggest you all do the same and if you dont like watching deer die close your eyes at the cool part if that helps :chuckle:
Post by: Button Nubbs on September 23, 2011, 02:06:37 PM
Post by: windygorge on September 23, 2011, 03:04:32 PM
:yeah:This would have been better if he would follow up and put the poor deer out of misery. There would be a lot of suffering the animal didn't have to endure. I recently made my first bowkill...it was not ideal but at least I followed up ASAP to relieve the animal. This video should be required viewing for new bow hunters as an example of when to keep shooting.
i don't think this nor a follow up shot while an animal is dying is the type of video that should be displayed on youtube for all to see. show some class and wait till the animal is dead,then record. even as hunters, it is unpleasant to watch.
:yeah: Are you kidding me i love watching filmed hunts. You find it unpleasant to watch??? I found this unpleasant to watch due to the utards gettin all yeehawww hootin an hollerin over a small two point. Not cause a deer died that's what you get when you watch hunting films. If they never showed kill shots i probably wouldnt watch that's the exciteing part. I've wrote this guy on you tube and i suggest you all do the same and if you dont like watching deer die close your eyes at the cool part if that helps :chuckle:
im not saying don't show the kill shot. of coarse thats what we like to see. i actually think he made a great shot, whether 65 or 25 yards. i have more videos than most and i have killed more animals than most. i have been filming my kills the last couple of years and really want to get a kill shot on video. what i was saying is, don't show this type of video with all the yelling and screaming and, no, i don't think a dispatch shot is good to watch.............ON YOUTUBE. there is a line you should draw on HOW a video is made and edited. like i said, show some class and respect for the animal, and do the right thing.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 23, 2011, 03:08:24 PM
Post by: windygorge on September 23, 2011, 03:13:34 PM
Post by: shorthair15 on September 23, 2011, 03:26:16 PM