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Title: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: NWWA Hunter on September 23, 2011, 11:22:07 AM
Heard a rumor, supposedly verified, that the state is issuing 42 sheep tags to the tribes in umtanum and quilomene. Is there any validity to this?
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: vandeman17 on September 23, 2011, 11:36:22 AM
I haven't heard anything but now am going to try to find out, that is for sure!
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Keepumguessing on September 23, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Heard the same thing, and it was from a game officer. Say good bye to those sheep
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 23, 2011, 01:38:33 PM
The state does not issue tags to the tribe.  Tribal fish and game department issues tags to the tribe.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Huntbear on September 23, 2011, 01:44:39 PM
42 freaking tags?????  Your kidding right?  We normal (follow the rules) hunters get how many? 

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More I am an indian, living on the res., I get whatever the freak I want...... screw the wildlife and any management of said wildlife.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: whacker1 on September 23, 2011, 02:29:48 PM
I heard this a while back on another website and asked Plateau NDN in p.m.

I deleted the P.M., but from what I recall, he said:  last year was the first year and they gave 10 tags and of those 6 to 7 were filled.  They were targeting Sheep on the reservation.  This year they gave 25 tags and again were encouraging those tag holders to stay on the reservation as that is where the population needed to be thinned.  I cc'd him a copy of this thread, so he could verify the information I posted.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: washingtonmuley on September 23, 2011, 02:53:59 PM
That is freakin ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: ICEMAN on September 23, 2011, 05:49:48 PM
 :bash:
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Raul Duke on September 23, 2011, 06:06:06 PM
that is alot of tags.  :bdid:
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: norsepeak on September 23, 2011, 07:55:46 PM
Yes this is true.  I heard it with my own ears at the meeting a couple weeks ago with the Yakamas and Muckleshoots.  They are getting 25 ram tags and 17 ewe tags.  The representitve from the Yakamas said "the reason for the extra tags is becuase there is a state wide over abundance of sheep"
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Alan K on September 23, 2011, 07:59:16 PM
You've got to be f**king kidding me. . .  :puke:
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: boonerboy on September 23, 2011, 08:05:47 PM
just like there is an over abundance of elk, deer, salmon, and every other animal in washington, right?? Makes me absolutely sick!!
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: remington300mag on September 23, 2011, 08:12:20 PM
Well I think there is an over abundance of tribal hunters.....
Once again, we sit back and take the politically correct approach, and get kicked square in the sack! So, how many more kicks can everyone take?
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Coastal_native on September 23, 2011, 08:22:11 PM
Well I think there is an over abundance of tribal hunters.....

Whats the ellipse for Rem?  Why don't you just finish what you want to say? 

 
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: boonerboy on September 23, 2011, 08:27:15 PM
Oh god Coastal......dont get sucked into it.  :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: remington300mag on September 23, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
Well I think there is an over abundance of tribal hunters.....

Whats the ellipse for Rem?  Why don't you just finish what you want to say?
Sorry Coastal, I should have been more clear.....I think there are an over abundance of  Eastern Washington Tribal Hunters! I really don't have a clue what goes on over there.  Don't look too much into the ........ as I seem to do it all the time. Guess I have a twitchy ...... finger!
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Coastal_native on September 23, 2011, 08:47:18 PM
You don't owe me an apology.  If you wanna question the management, you have every right.  I thought you might be insinuating that there is an over abundance of tribal hunters and therefor some population control might be in order.  With the amount of tribal threads in the last few weeks, perhaps it's me that has a twitchy finger.

As for the topic of sheep, I'm curious to hear what the management justification is for the tag increase.  Too many sheep, too little habitat? 
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Coastal_native on September 23, 2011, 09:02:44 PM
on that note Coastal I am curious why the coastal natives are issued tags for elk when the Roosevelt elk are not native to that region and the ancestral indigenous hunters never hunted them.

????, There is no way I can answer that question without sounding like a jerk.  If you really want an education, post it in the elk section and see what kind of responses you get.  What is your source?
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: bobcat on September 23, 2011, 09:19:57 PM
I'll answer it. Roosevelt elk ARE native. Where did you think they came from? 
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: 270Shooter on September 23, 2011, 09:46:21 PM
I believe eastside elk are not native, and they were introduced in the early 1900's.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: steeleywhopper on September 25, 2011, 08:42:26 PM
Wont be long till we are paying the tribes a fee to hunt their state. Washington is such a Nanny *censored* state.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: dreamunelk on September 25, 2011, 09:08:52 PM
Roosevelt elk on the OP are genetically distinct from other elk.  They also have morphological and behavioral differences.  And some like me would argue physiological differences.  They were almost wiped out by market hunting and early white settlers.

Elk in eastern Washington have always been the Rocky's.  Early white settlers and market hunters almost wiped them out.  While many say they were reintroduced I think it best to say they were augmented by elk from Yellowstone and a few other areas.  If you look into the history of game laws in this state they started with the protection of elk from the ??????
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: KNOPHISH on September 26, 2011, 05:57:24 AM
So what's the scoop on the sheep? Are they native & hunted by tribes long ago or were they planted?
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 26, 2011, 06:03:30 AM
So what's the scoop on the sheep? Are they native & hunted by tribes long ago or were they planted?
Native species that was extirpated and reintroduced.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: furbearer365 on September 26, 2011, 06:00:34 PM
I'll say it.  It is compete s**t that get any tags period are givin to tribal hunters. Argue what ever argument you want, i truely dont care.  Flip the script for just once and see what happens.  Give my people 42 tags (while you wait a whole lifetime to draw one) and see how you feel.  Not to mention the fact that your tags are for "population control" on an animal that is widely considered as one of the greatest trophies and sought after animals in North America.  I bet what ends up happening is the tribe will end up selling the tags as guided hunts and making a huge chunk of change to boot.  I am beyond pissed.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 26, 2011, 06:09:32 PM
I'll say it.  It is compete s**t that get any tags period are givin to tribal hunters. Argue what ever argument you want, i truely dont care.  Flip the script for just once and see what happens.  Give my people 42 tags (while you wait a whole lifetime to draw one) and see how you feel.  Not to mention the fact that your tags are for "population control" on an animal that is widely considered as one of the greatest trophies and sought after animals in North America.  I bet what ends up happening is the tribe will end up selling the tags as guided hunts and making a huge chunk of change to boot.  I am beyond pissed.

Sorry but the State doesn't issue the Tribe anything its our own Game Dept. And our Tribal Council.  Its against our own Laws to sell the tags and all hunting privileges would be taken away if caught.  We don't have big game open to anybody other than enrolled tribal members.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: phishisgroovin on September 26, 2011, 06:14:57 PM
Yes this is true.  I heard it with my own ears at the meeting a couple weeks ago with the Yakamas and Muckleshoots.  They are getting 25 ram tags and 17 ewe tags.  The representitve from the Yakamas said "the reason for the extra tags is becuase there is a state wide over abundance of sheep"
so why not raffle the tags off to us regular people, the natives always get to deplete the wildlife, we pay and pay and get screwed in the butt when the indians get to do as they wish.

this could have brought revenue to WDFW, way to screw up morons!

atleast the tribals wont be able to DRIVE in and decimate the population as they do in colockum, they will have to get off their fat axxes and HIKE for their kills.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: furbearer365 on September 26, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
Hey plateau, you are doing nothing but making making my case even more valid. If you guys can hand out tags as "your fish and game dept" wishes, what the hell power does any Washington state citizen have.  But i guess that doesnt effect you and is not your problem, your hunting is safe and always will be. :tup:  Never in a million years could I imagine a day where there would truely be a need for population control on an animal such as a Big Horn Sheep.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: KNOPHISH on September 27, 2011, 05:56:48 AM
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Native species that was extirpated and reintroduced.
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Did the tribes have any part of the reintroduction like antelope or did we pay for all the transplants? I know there was tribal sheep hunting in the blues when it was closed to us. I can see population control meaning take all the big rams.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: 724wd on September 27, 2011, 08:53:52 AM
since this is a population control hunt, i suppose the tags are ewe only?
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Practical Approach on September 27, 2011, 09:01:34 AM
Really, it doesn't take much for folks to get sideways.  Rather than go off hearsay, I would assume any changes to harvest would be reflected in a WDFW commission meeting.  They post the meeting minutes online. It would seem really irrational for that many tags to be issued unless there was a disease threat.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: doyourtime89 on September 27, 2011, 09:16:09 AM
It is very true that they are getting tags and not only for ewes.  I have a friend that is a Muckleshoot and he was drawn for one of the RAM tags. 
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: norsepeak on September 27, 2011, 09:46:43 AM
It's not hearsay if I heard it with my own ears AT the meeting is it?  I heard the words come out of his mouth, "there are 42 tags, 25 ram, and 17 ewe tags being issued to natives because there is an over abundance of sheep in the state"  Why weren't the tags added to the number of tags we get or to the number of tags raffled off?  Very good question.  My guess is that it's becuase we have to play by two different sets of rules.  One set with unlimited rights and very minimal costs, the other with unlimited costs and minimal rights.  You decide where you fit and that should answere your question.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Yak-NDN on September 27, 2011, 10:15:58 AM
Yup its true the tribe has issued allot of tags but it is almost identical to the amount of tags that the state gives out. Except a few areas. The Tribe draws names for the tags. I am not happy about how many tags the state and the tribe gave out this year I heard it was to reduce the amount of small rams that are doing the breading. lol
I got drawn So I have been out scouting and have saw a few rams some from the rd and some off the rd but have not seen one I would like to kill yet. Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: remington300mag on September 27, 2011, 10:24:35 AM
So, does anyone know if there are only certain units the tribe can hunt? Or a certain number of rams that can be taken out of a certain unit? Or can they all pile into one unit?
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 27, 2011, 10:41:07 AM
Yeah I doubt that is true  :dunno:
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Yak-NDN on September 27, 2011, 10:48:53 AM
All different units Tieton, Clem, Yakima Can, Quilamene,and on the rez The tag they drew is only good for one sheep in the area they drew. And you must report it within a certain amount of time and bring it in so they can tag it.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: remington300mag on September 27, 2011, 10:51:04 AM
All different units Tieton, Clem, Yakima Can, Quilamene,and on the rez The tag they drew is only good for one sheep in the area they drew. And you must report it within a certain amount of time and bring it in so they can tag it.

Yak,  Any way you could fill us all in on how many tags each unit got? where could someone find this information?
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: videoman on September 27, 2011, 05:17:36 PM
I think the Game Dept needs to move some of our over populated sheep to new areas.  The Glenwood area has some great country for sheep.  I also think we need to let the public know when issues like this one are happening with tribe.  Its time for all of us to be equal hunters.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Yak-NDN on September 27, 2011, 05:28:28 PM
They did transplant sheep to glenwoodl The snow man killed them all. I am sure a bigfoot got a few also.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: True Sportsman on September 27, 2011, 05:30:06 PM
Maybe I am missing something. Why are tribal hunters issued sheep tags? Can't they just shoot them anyway, without tags?
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Whitefoot on September 27, 2011, 05:49:40 PM
About time!!!   :tup: 
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: 400out on September 27, 2011, 05:52:37 PM
They did transplant sheep to glenwoodl The snow man killed them all. I am sure a bigfoot got a few also.
Those are different Native names  :dunno:
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Yak-NDN on September 27, 2011, 06:25:01 PM
no name calling its not nice.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: furbearer365 on September 27, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
Really, maybe a joke for some (tribal members) for us non tribal we probably dont need any "lol" signs.  If you draw a tribal tag for sheep, good luck to you but getting no help here.   If i sound bitter it is because i am to the fullest.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Yak-NDN on September 27, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
No joke a bunch of readneck's killed the sheep that were transplanted to glenwood.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Yak-NDN on September 27, 2011, 06:40:31 PM
No disrespect to us ethical hunters their is bad in all race's.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: JoeE on September 27, 2011, 07:46:22 PM
If the folks on this site or having such a hard time understanding tribal rights, treaties or ceded land then perhaps we should go back to the 8th grade and pay attention in history class. I have been on and off this site for almost four years and one thing has remained the same....bitching about tribal hunting. Quit whining about it.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: bobcat on September 27, 2011, 08:06:56 PM
History class won't help me any. All it takes is a little common sense to know right from wrong. I know they have their treaties, and they have their rights. And that's all fine. They should have the right to hunt and fish just the same as we all do. But they also should have to follow the same rules and regulations, and hunt within the same seasons that we do. I really don't blame them so much as I do our government- both state and federal. If they wanted to put more restrictions and limits on the indians' off-reservation hunting, they could. But they don't do a thing to control it. The only preferential treatment they should get for off-reservation hunting is that they should be given their deer and elk tags at no charge. If they want to kill a mature bull elk in a spike only area, then they should have to apply for the same special permits that we do. That's about all I have to say on the subject right now. I will only stop whining when I retire and move out of this worthless state.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: furbearer365 on September 27, 2011, 09:01:56 PM
hey yak-ndn.  I dont recall ever making a racial jab in my opinions so dont throw the redneck junk around like you have the right to refer to anyone as that.  Bobcat could not hit it more on the head.  The people against tribal hunting are not against your right to carrier out what your ancestors did, we are against the fact that tribal members need special rights and laws in order to do so. And for JoeE, what the hell does history class in 8th grade have to do with tribal members getting 42 Big Horn Sheep tags for population control in 2011.
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: get one leakin on September 27, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
 :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Tribal Hunting: Bighorn Sheep
Post by: Yak-NDN on September 28, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
Very good and respectable response bobcat thank you. And furbearer you sound offended, every race has their trash and a slang name for them but most of you lump all Native's together and just say Native or fn Indians why? Because I know not all people in a race are the same i didn't say them stupid white people shot the *censored* out of them. That just sounds like I don't like non Tribal members and that is not the truth I have lots of friends that are white hell I am white by skin. What do you call lowlife white people so I don't lump you all together? Like most of you all do with Native's. And yes I am sure some of the sheep got killed by a bigfoot but most were killed the the snow man.
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