Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 25, 2011, 01:43:46 PM
Post by: Guy on September 25, 2011, 03:25:09 PM
During those nine years, it was a very good vehicle for the most part. The 4.0 inline six worked like a champ. Usually got 18 - 22 mpg, which was pretty good since it had a full-time four-wheel drive system. Comfortable. Good handling. Surprisingly capable in dirt road use, even in fairly deep snow. Ours had the factory limited slip and what was then called the "up country" suspension, which was about a 1" factory lift and some skidplates.
Weak points:
Front door hinges sagged and bent - all on their own - no weird usage, just normal day to day use.
Automatic trans failed at about 110,000 miles. Replaced it with a factory rebuilt unit.
Factory header developed a leak, had to be replaced.
Those were the only three significant problems our Jeep GC had. The door hinges ticked me off, but everything else was pretty much expected. Ours was a '95 though - perhaps Jeep corrected that issue by the '04 models.
Regards, Guy
Post by: wadu1 on September 25, 2011, 03:52:07 PM
All in all a good rig; I'm looking for a 2005-2007 Liberty for me, I want one with a manual shifter for 4X4, 2008 and on have an electronic shifter.
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Post by: seth30 on September 25, 2011, 04:18:40 PM
Post by: longknife on September 25, 2011, 04:25:53 PM
Told that wife to stay away from a heep!!
Post by: Bob Williams on September 25, 2011, 04:58:40 PM
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Post by: FC on September 25, 2011, 05:32:43 PM
If you are looking for an all around rig for her that is tough, gets decent mileage and is fantastic in the snow look at a Subaru but steer clear of any between 99-03 due to head gasket issues.
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Post by: Deep Forks on September 26, 2011, 03:01:05 AM
Also 2005 outback, the maintance has been kept up and has not had any problems, none and it has just under 100k.
Post by: xxlx7 on September 26, 2011, 07:21:31 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 26, 2011, 07:44:44 AM
Carp, to add to what others have said, that 4.0l motor is probably Jeep's best ever but it's a known oil leaker from every possible orifice. Transmission cooler lines are frequent leakers but easy to change, the biggest issues on the newer ones IMO is the heater core! The newer Jeeps are well known for eating heater cores on a pretty regular basis, I have been wanting to put a zync in a couple of these problem children to see if it will cure them.
They do leak.
The heater cores with the issues always seem to be in the Limited with the dual zone climate control. The same ones that have the heater box blend door issues. I could probably count the number of heater cores I've sold on non-Limited models on 1 hand. I've been dealing with these things for almost 10 years now. The most common issues with the WJ models from '99-'04 are the brakes warping rotors and the leaks. Thee exhaust manifold cracking issue is fixed with an updates manifold with a flex joint in them that all the WJ's should have.
The door hinge issues are on the older ones. New body style started in 1999. No more hinge issues.
Weak points:
Front door hinges sagged and bent - all on their own - no weird usage, just normal day to day use.
Automatic trans failed at about 110,000 miles. Replaced it with a factory rebuilt unit.
Factory header developed a leak, had to be replaced.
Those were the only three significant problems our Jeep GC had. The door hinges ticked me off, but everything else was pretty much expected. Ours was a '95 though - perhaps Jeep corrected that issue by the '04 models.
Everone I know with a GC without a V-8 wishes it had more power.The 4.0 is kinda gutless but it is "torquey" for a 6 cylinder. I towed my 21' boat with one a few times and it did fine relatively speaking. The issue I had with it was the suspension, it would porpoise a lot but that's too be expected when you're pushing the limits of it's tow capacity.
Matt-
You might look at a Liberty too...not bad as long as you don't mind a rig a little smaller than a G/C.
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Post by: bobcat on September 26, 2011, 08:57:01 AM
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Matt-
You might look at a Liberty too...not bad as long as you don't mind a rig a little smaller than a G/C.
jackelope- have those Liberty's been fairly reliable? How are they on gas?
Post by: Bean Counter on September 26, 2011, 09:20:26 AM
If you are looking for an all around rig for her that is tough, gets decent mileage and is fantastic in the snow look at a Subaru but steer clear of any between 99-03 due to head gasket issues.
The misses drives a Subaru, also all time all whdel drive, that gets 26-28 mpg. Petty good, but heed FC on the head gasket issue. At a shop it will cost you $1,500-2,000 due to the engine design. I don't think the problems ended with the '03 models, either. Just call All Wheel Drive Auto in Kirkland or visit their website.
I no longer recommend Subarus, even though ours has been on the road for 200,000 miles.
Post by: jackelope on September 26, 2011, 09:27:09 AM
Not to pop any ones balloon but i work for AAA....2009-2010 most commonly tow'd vehicle.....Jeep Grand Cherokees follow'd by VW Jettas! My uncle has a cherokee and swears by it! I personally have never owned one....just sayin!
Source??
Yeah they've been pretty good all around. The diesels suck but they were short lived.QuoteMatt-
You might look at a Liberty too...not bad as long as you don't mind a rig a little smaller than a G/C.
jackelope- have those Liberty's been fairly reliable? How are they on gas?
Gas is probably 16 or so around town, 20+ on the highway. Definitely not awesome mpg's. They've mostly got a 3.7L V-6 in them. There's a couple manual trans'd 4 cylinders around. They would be extreme base models and I'd steer clear of them. You'd need a push to make it up a hill.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 26, 2011, 09:41:59 AM
Post by: thinkingman on September 26, 2011, 10:10:39 AM
Great vehicle, 4.0 has plenty of power, Selec-Trac is the best 4wd system at the time, wish it were still available.
No issues, original battery replaced at 105k for peace of mind.
Regular maintenance, interior was nice when I sold it, exterior, too.
Nice rig.
The later model does hate it's rotors, as mentioned before.
Solid axles and coil springs are the shizz for off-roading.
RAV4 is a poser, Toyota quality and engineering have really disappointed me.
I had a RAV4 and it's not an off-road, or even true 4wd vehicle.
Post by: C-Money on September 26, 2011, 10:19:07 AM
Post by: vaz,,66 on September 26, 2011, 10:51:04 AM
I did some research before I bought it and there is not any another car with that many after market parts for upgrade like a jeep and its not expensive at all and been build here in USA with a grate quality.
I LOVE IT this is JEEP.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 26, 2011, 11:26:39 AM
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Post by: FC on September 26, 2011, 06:44:27 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 26, 2011, 06:51:54 PM
Post by: gasman on September 26, 2011, 06:54:10 PM
Good Luck :hello:
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 26, 2011, 08:45:52 PM
I'm a fan of old jeeps....not sure I'd ever consider owning a new one. Seems like the problems are relatively minor but, at the same time, happen at mileage you wouldn't expect to have failures.
For a rig I could take the family out hunting in, I'd probably pay a few extra bucks and get a Toyota 4-Runner. Resale value is a lot higher even with a boat load of miles but, you still pay for it up front.....I guess you can expect a decent return later. Good indicator is to look at prices on a used 4-Runner of the same year/make model as the Jeep. You'll pay about $3K more for an equal rig.
Same being said, I've always had a soft spot for the old Wagoneers with an I-6 and wood paneling......
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 26, 2011, 08:48:56 PM
Not to pop any ones balloon but i work for AAA....2009-2010 most commonly tow'd vehicle.....Jeep Grand Cherokees follow'd by VW Jettas! My uncle has a cherokee and swears by it! I personally have never owned one....just sayin!
You work in the office or for a towing contractor? My best friend runs the Redmond Office....
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 27, 2011, 05:34:15 AM
Post by: thinkingman on September 27, 2011, 09:02:55 AM
If they only made 4runners like they used to.....Be thankful they don't.....
Back in the day, you didn't have to worry about wear parts on the 3.0l V6...you got a new engine somewhere around 70k.
If you wanted a 4wd system that would remotely compare to Jeep, you were out of luck....same with basics like 4wheel ABS.
I shopped the Toyota's against Jeep long and hard...couldn't justify the Toyota at all...overpriced and styling was really all it had going for it....Happy is correct, resale is much better....People will pay for the Toyota mystique.
I've owned two Toyotas and can't see what all the hoopla is about. :dunno:
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 27, 2011, 11:06:34 AM
I will still stick with my Jeeps though.
Post by: jackelope on September 27, 2011, 11:39:20 AM
I agree with you. Just saying they have that crappy IFS under the front instead of a tried and true solid axle. Funny you see tons of stuff available to swap in a solid front, but nothing to swap IFS under a older rig.
I will still stick with my Jeeps though.
How many people are SAS'ing vehicles for on road use??
It's all about ride quality now, and that's why IFS rules. Majority rules and majority could give 2 chits about off-road capability.
:twocents:
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 27, 2011, 01:25:55 PM
Post by: FC on September 27, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
I agree with you. Just saying they have that crappy IFS under the front instead of a tried and true solid axle.
What is it about the independent front end that you don't like? I have an ifs tacoma and it will climb chit I can't walk up! After years of working as a mechanic I've never had to repair one either, I have had to replace a handful of cv shafts but that is all. Compared to all the other stuff that I have had to fix on every other 4x out there INCLUDING JEEPS I am amazed by how infrequently they seem to need anything.
@thinkingman, we have had the discussion before but in case you have forgotten the "hoopla" about toyotas is that they rarely break. You seem to have had an extremely out of character series of breakages involving toyotas but this isn't typical. 4Runners have a high resale value for a good reason as do the tacomas.
Post by: huntnphool on September 27, 2011, 01:50:56 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 27, 2011, 04:05:34 PM
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Post by: Miles on September 28, 2011, 04:18:05 AM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 28, 2011, 05:43:58 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on September 28, 2011, 07:22:52 AM
I worked in the car business for 5 or so years and have driven thousands of cars. We took in 4runners and Pathfinders with 300,000 plus miles in regularly, and they usually ran just fine.
I can't remember ever seeing a Grand Cherokee with more than 150k on it, and those ones were usually on their last legs.
Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2011, 08:05:53 AM
I see a lot of theory posted, but little real world use.
Lots of what theory? 4 wheeling/off road use is not real world use. It is go have fun on the weekends use that very few people on the grand scale partake in. I will share some opinion and a few facts from real world experience.
999 out of 1000 people could give 2 chits about 4 wheeling ability when it comes to buying a vehicle. I'd venture to say most on here would be included in that. I completely agree with you on the solid axle/off road ability but nobody cares how much articulation and travel and all that other wheeling mumbo-jumbo when it comes to real world use. I can tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt from lots and lots of real world experience that we replace a hell of a lot more solid axle front end components in our trucks than we do in anything we work on IFS and not too many of them are lifted or have big tires, nevermind spend any time off road. I am surrounded by Jeeps and Dodge trucks 10 hours a day, 5 days a week.
I would stay away from the Cherokee.
I worked in the car business for 5 or so years and have driven thousands of cars. We took in 4runners and Pathfinders with 300,000 plus miles in regularly, and they usually ran just fine.
I can't remember ever seeing a Grand Cherokee with more than 150k on it, and those ones were usually on their last legs.
I will tell you from being in the car business for +/- 15 years that I don't see anything "regularly" with 300k miles on the clock. There are plenty of Jeeps running around with +/-200k miles on them. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to say that most any 4.0L inline 6 cylinder Jeep will go 200k+ miles all day if it's taken care of. If it's not taken care of, then it likely won't live that long.
Lastly there's big differences between a Cherokee, a 99-04 grand cherokee and a pre-98 grand cherokee. If we're comparing or sharing input on a '04 Grand Cherokee, lets make sure we're talking apples to apples.
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Post by: Woodchuck on September 28, 2011, 08:17:59 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 28, 2011, 08:29:15 AM
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/2620490141.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/2620490141.html)
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ctd/2578326465.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ctd/2578326465.html)
Gotta admit, for the $5K in difference you can spend a lot of money repairing stuff that goes wrong and still have a few extra bucks to slap some mud tires on it?
Post by: Buckmark on September 28, 2011, 08:40:22 AM
A friend of mine drives a tow truck for a living, he told me the car he tows the most is a Jeep Grand Cherokee.
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Quote from jackelope:
I am surrounded by Jeeps and Dodge trucks 10 hours a day, 5 days a week.
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Must be towing them all to jackelope..... :chuckle:
Oh, well my 1985 nissan extra cab 4x4 with bald tires, tow bar, sun roof and 2.4 liters of raw horse power can kick the crap out of your jeep grand cherokee... ;)
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 28, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2011, 09:48:47 AM
I worked at a Toyota dealership for a very short time.
There was a lottttt less tow trucks coming to the Toyota dealership than there are coming to the Jeep dealership. I am Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, Plymouth, etc. so more than just Jeeps getting towed in. The cars and minivans definitely outnumber the Jeeps on a daily basis so it's a little crooked to compare what I get.
Post by: FC on September 28, 2011, 09:53:01 AM
I will tell you from being in the car business for +/- 15 years that I don't see anything "regularly" with 300k miles on the clock.
:twocents:
Care to guess how many 3rd and 4th and even FIFTH timing belts I've done on toyotas? I've seen tons of toyotas with 300k+ that were ready for a cross country drive or a week in the woods whenever you wanted.
As for theory? What the heck dude? That isn't theory it's design!
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 28, 2011, 10:18:28 AM
I will add 1 more piece to this puzzle...
I worked at a Toyota dealership for a very short time.
There was a lottttt less tow trucks coming to the Toyota dealership than there are coming to the Jeep dealership. I am Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, Plymouth, etc. so more than just Jeeps getting towed in. The cars and minivans definitely outnumber the Jeeps on a daily basis so it's a little crooked to compare what I get.
heck of a lot more Minivans old than anything else though by shear numbers....
Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2011, 10:23:39 AM
As for theory? What the heck dude? That isn't theory it's design!
If you're saying 500k or thereabouts is design?? I ain't buying it, thats luck unless it's a OTR truck. And no way on earth I'd rely on any 300k mile+ vehicle to take me across country. Thats just me.
Post by: FC on September 28, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
As for theory? What the heck dude? That isn't theory it's design!
If you're saying 500k or thereabouts is design?? I ain't buying it, thats luck unless it's a OTR truck. And no way on earth I'd rely on any 300k mile+ vehicle to take me across country. Thats just me.
No i was referring to something jeepasauras said but yes the toyotas are designed better by far now that you ask :)
As far as actual mileage goes I've driven an awful lot of HIGH mileage toyotas (all models) and Dodge vans, I used to work for Dean transmission in downtown Seattle and we got all the Shuttle Express vans in for major work. It usually took them about 2-3 transmissions and one rear-end to get to their desired 750k mark where they retired the ORIGINAL 5.2l. This is not a special case, it was typical and expected. They (then) never allowed the vans to be driven with a check engine light for extended periods and always changed the oil every 3k using delo 400.
Toyotas are built even better than those, if taken care of they should be able to see the 1 million mark easily. No 300k vehicle would be trustworthy to you huh? Sounds like you have been working in an American car dealership...lol Work on fleet vehicles long enough and you start to get a real appreciation for just how far some of them will go.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2011, 10:47:59 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 28, 2011, 11:09:09 AM
Post by: thinkingman on September 28, 2011, 11:23:09 AM
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
I will be happy to list TSB's for Toyota vehicles that should never occur in a well-designed and manufactured vehicle.
Care to see the list?
Sorry to hijack thread but......
Post by: FC on September 28, 2011, 11:28:50 AM
I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
I will be happy to list TSB's for Toyota vehicles that should never occur in a well-designed and manufactured vehicle.
Care to see the list?
Sorry to hijack thread but......
That is because you have a personal beef with toyota, ask Jackelope if he will give you a list of tsb's from Dodge...You don't want to see any other manufacturer's list either! Toyota does a lot better on that score than you want to believe.
I have no idea what Consumer Reports has to say, never read it. I just go off of my experiences both working on and driving cars/trucks for the last 20 years.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 28, 2011, 11:46:50 AM
That is because you have a personal beef with toyota, ask Jackelope if he will give you a list of tsb's from Dodge...You don't want to see any other manufacturer's list either! Toyota does a lot better on that score than you want to believe.
I have no idea what Consumer Reports has to say, never read it. I just go off of my experiences both working on and driving cars/trucks for the last 20 years.
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Well, he drives a Toyota Tacoma so, he could legitimately have a beef or opinion about his experience with his truck I suppose :dunno:
Post by: Miles on September 28, 2011, 11:49:11 AM
I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
I will be happy to list TSB's for Toyota vehicles that should never occur in a well-designed and manufactured vehicle.
Care to see the list?
Sorry to hijack thread but......
Post it. I triple dog dare you.
Post by: FC on September 28, 2011, 12:03:28 PM
Well, he drives a Toyota Tacoma so, he could legitimately have a beef or opinion about his experience with his truck I suppose :dunno:
Yeah I agree, as do I and thousands of others. No offense but being as I have driven and worked on literally thousands of cars, I think my own observations are a little more astute on this topic. He and I have talked about some of his issues with his tacoma and truthfully they sound much overblown. I've heard about the spring issue he had and there was even a tsb for it. If I hated any vehicle as much as he professes to hate his it would be sold or traded asap.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 28, 2011, 12:04:45 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2011, 12:42:47 PM
I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
I will be happy to list TSB's for Toyota vehicles that should never occur in a well-designed and manufactured vehicle.
Care to see the list?
Sorry to hijack thread but......
Post it. I triple dog dare you.
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Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2011, 12:44:15 PM
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Post by: Buckmark on September 28, 2011, 12:48:06 PM
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Post by: MikeWalking on September 28, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
Other than that it wants to go go &go :twocents:
Post by: magnanimous_j on September 28, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
If there is one thing that Consumer Reports does wrong with cars is there priority of reliability over anything else. It doesn't matter how ugly, boring, underpowered or uninspiring a car is, if its reliable, CR loves it.
That being said, Toyota did take a little dip in reliability about 5 years ago. At the same time, Ford got a lot better. But Toyota is still the most reliable car on the road (as hideously boring as most of them are to drive)
As far as light trucks and SUVs, I have to go Japanese. Nissan and Toyota make great rigs that last a really long time. American Companies do full size better than anyone, but their small trucks and suv's are hit or miss. At best.
Post by: thinkingman on September 28, 2011, 02:43:21 PM
I bought it for the resale value...before the quality issues became evident.
Well, he drives a Toyota Tacoma so, he could legitimately have a beef or opinion about his experience with his truck I suppose :dunno:
Yeah I agree, as do I and thousands of others. No offense but being as I have driven and worked on literally thousands of cars, I think my own observations are a little more astute on this topic. He and I have talked about some of his issues with his tacoma and truthfully they sound much overblown. I've heard about the spring issue he had and there was even a tsb for it. If I hated any vehicle as much as he professes to hate his it would be sold or traded asap.
I can still sell it for almost what I paid 3 years ago.
In the stock market, we call it 'the greater fool theory'.
Post by: longknife on September 28, 2011, 02:59:17 PM
You can keep your precious heated seats, heated mirrors, and espresso makers.
NAFTA SUCKS!
Post by: FC on September 28, 2011, 06:34:29 PM
Post it. I triple dog dare you.
Vehicle Level Technical Service Bulletins
Now lets see the list on a couple Chryslers or Fords :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Miles on September 28, 2011, 11:10:31 PM
Post it. I triple dog dare you.
Vehicle Level Technical Service Bulletins
Now lets see the list on a couple Chryslers or Fords :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
We could have him post up the list for a Chevrolet Silverado 1500, but we'd have to contact bearpaw first to make sure the forum could handle that much info without crashing. :chuckle:
Yes, I own one. ;) I wish the only sqeaking noises were from the seat.
Post by: jackelope on September 29, 2011, 07:31:45 AM
Post it. I triple dog dare you.
Vehicle Level Technical Service Bulletins
Now lets see the list on a couple Chryslers or Fords :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
'04 Grand Cherokee
All Technical Service Bulletins
Information
Number Date Title
24-002-10 01/13/2010 A/C - HVAC Sub-Assembly Part Availability
J14 11/18/2009 Recall - Potential Seat Heater Fire
NHTSA09V117000 04/07/2009 Recall 09V117000: Seat Heater Replacement
21-021-08 09/17/2008 A/T - Repair/Replacement Guidelines
21-014-07 10/16/2007 A/T - ATF + 4 Fluid Usage
08-030-06A 08/25/2006 Engine Control - PCM Initialization Procedure
24-006-06 08/10/2006 A/C - Musty Odors When Hot/Humid
05-003-06 07/21/2006 Brakes - Front Brake Inspection RE Lawsuit BER-L-4883-04
F17 07/01/2006 Recall - Front Seat Heater Element Replacement
NHTSA06V197000 06/06/2006 Recall 06V197000: Front Pass. Seat Heater Overheating
21-010-06 04/14/2006 A/T - ATF+4 Fluid Usage/Applications
23-014-06 03/08/2006 Wipers/Washers - Wipers Smear or Streak Windshield
22-001-05 12/01/2005 Wheels - Caring for Chrome Wheels
18-037-05 10/20/2005 Engine Controls - Flash Programming Failure Recovery
21-015-05 09/01/2005 A/T - 45RFE/545RFE Delayed Engagement After Filter R&R
18-029-05 06/30/2005 Engine Controls - Co-Pilot Support & Correct Cable Usage
08-024-05 05/04/2005 Electrical - Radio Equipment Installation Recommendation
19-005-04A 10/25/2004 Steering - Steering Column Pop/Tick/Creak Noise
02-006-04 08/20/2004 Steering - Lead or Drift To Either Side of Road
08-027-04 07/30/2004 Safety Systems - Inadvertent Damage/Disabling
18-028-04 06/30/2004 A/T - Torque Converter Lock-Up Inoperative
02-002-04A 05/25/2004 Suspension - Front Suspension Squeak/Squawk Noises
23-012-04 04/27/2004 Interior - Wooden Trim Panels Scratched
D14 04/01/2004 Recall - ECM Programming for OBD Malfunctions
08-014-04 03/30/2004 Audio System - Intermittent Loss of Audio
23-009-04 03/09/2004 Interior - Popping/Clicking Noise in Front Seat Frame
NHTSA04V112000 03/01/2004 Recall 04V112000: Engine Stalling Hazard
D13 03/01/2004 Recall - Crankshaft Position Sensor Replacement
D05 03/01/2004 Recall - Tire/Rim/Inflation Pressure Label Replacement
18-008-04 02/24/2004 Engine Controls - Idle Drone/Transfer Case Lamp ON
NHTSA04V048000 02/03/2004 Recall 04V048000: Tire/Wheel/Inflation Label Missing
08-002-04 01/06/2004 Body Controls - Horn Chirp Upon Vehicle Entry
18-040-03 11/21/2003 Engine Controls - Erroneous DTC P0135 (O2 Sensor) Set
23-026-03 10/24/2003 Body - Poor Air Deflector to Hood Fit
08-030-03 10/24/2003 Electrical - No Auxiliary Power to Trailer Tow Harness
08-028-03 09/19/2003 Audio System - 'CD ERR' Message Displayed
18-032-03 09/12/2003 Engine Controls - MIL ON/Erroneous O2 Sensor DTC's
25-002-03 09/12/2003 Emissions - Long Crank Time to Start Engine
18-031-03 09/05/2003 Fuel System - Hot Start Misfire/MIL ON/DTC's/Rough Idle
03-002-03 08/29/2003 Drivetrain - Rear Axle Vent Cap Leakage
19-005-03 08/29/2003 Steering - Power Steering Fluid Usage
09-003-03 08/01/2003 Engine - Multiple Cylinder Misfire
06-002-03 08/01/2003 M/T - Excessive Clutch Slippage
08-016-03 06/13/2003 Restraint Systems - Optimized Air Bag Control Module
23-015-03 06/06/2003 Body - Wind Noise from Top Rear of Front Doors
23-013-03 05/30/2003 Body - Roof Rack Air Turbulence/Wind Whistle
24-003-03 05/23/2003 A/C - System Sealer Usage Prohibition
C12 03/01/2003 Recall - Steering Gear Assembly
25-001-03 02/21/2003 Emissions - Ticking Sound With Engine Idling
22-001-03 02/07/2003 Tire Pressure Monitor - Temperature Change Effects
C07 02/01/2003 Campaign - Avoiding Unintentional Vehicle Movement
07-005-02 12/16/2002 Cooling System - Intermittent MIL ON/DTC P1499 Set
Post by: jackelope on September 29, 2011, 07:51:25 AM
I think Woodchuck said... AllData==SomeData.
Post by: blu65ss on October 01, 2011, 02:49:37 AM