Thought on jeep grand Cherokee?

[Buckmark]

Quote from huntnphool:
 A friend of mine drives a tow truck for a living, he told me the car he tows the most is a Jeep Grand Cherokee. 
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Quote from jackelope:
I am surrounded by Jeeps and Dodge trucks 10 hours a day, 5 days a week.
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Must be towing them all to jackelope.....
Oh, well my 1985 nissan extra cab 4x4 with bald tires, tow bar, sun roof and 2.4 liters of raw horse power can kick the crap out of your jeep grand cherokee...

[Happy Gilmore]

If I can ever find a cherry 1985 4-Runner I'll probably buy it. I had a 1985 SR-5 short bed pick up when I was in E-burg. It was bullet proof. That truck was in the hills 3-4 days a week and never once let me down. Never a trailer queen, always got me home.

[jackelope]

I will add 1 more piece to this puzzle...
I worked at a Toyota dealership for a very short time.

There was a lottttt less tow trucks coming to the Toyota dealership than there are coming to the Jeep dealership. I am Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, Plymouth, etc. so more than just Jeeps getting towed in. The cars and minivans definitely outnumber the Jeeps on a daily basis so it's a little crooked to compare what I get.

[FC]

I will tell you from being in the car business for +/- 15 years that I don't see anything "regularly" with 300k miles on the clock.
 

Care to guess how many 3rd and 4th and even FIFTH timing belts I've done on toyotas? I've seen tons of toyotas with 300k+ that were ready for a cross country drive or a week in the woods whenever you wanted.

As for theory? What the heck dude? That isn't theory it's design!

[Happy Gilmore]

I will add 1 more piece to this puzzle...
I worked at a Toyota dealership for a very short time.

There was a lottttt less tow trucks coming to the Toyota dealership than there are coming to the Jeep dealership. I am Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, Plymouth, etc. so more than just Jeeps getting towed in. The cars and minivans definitely outnumber the Jeeps on a daily basis so it's a little crooked to compare what I get.

heck of a lot more Minivans old than anything else though by shear numbers....

[jackelope]

As for theory? What the heck dude? That isn't theory it's design!

If you're saying 500k or thereabouts is design?? I ain't buying it, thats luck unless it's a OTR truck. And no way on earth I'd rely on any 300k mile+ vehicle to take me across country. Thats just me.

[FC]

As for theory? What the heck dude? That isn't theory it's design!

If you're saying 500k or thereabouts is design?? I ain't buying it, thats luck unless it's a OTR truck. And no way on earth I'd rely on any 300k mile+ vehicle to take me across country. Thats just me.

No i was referring to something jeepasauras said but yes the toyotas are designed better by far now that you ask

As far as actual mileage goes I've driven an awful lot of HIGH mileage toyotas (all models) and Dodge vans, I used to work for Dean transmission in downtown Seattle and we got all the Shuttle Express vans in for major work. It usually took them about 2-3 transmissions and one rear-end to get to their desired 750k mark where they retired the ORIGINAL 5.2l. This is not a special case, it was typical and expected. They (then) never allowed the vans to be driven with a check engine light for extended periods and always changed the oil every 3k using delo 400.

Toyotas are built even better than those, if taken care of they should be able to see the 1 million mark easily. No 300k vehicle would be trustworthy to you huh? Sounds like you have been working in an American car dealership...lol Work on fleet vehicles long enough and you start to get a real appreciation for just how far some of them will go.

[pianoman9701]

I have an '01 Grand Cherokee Laredo with 120K and love it. I've had to put some money into it. Shocks, water pump, brakes, plugs ($400), tranny flush, serpentine belt. I was told that stuff happens after 100K. But, having done all of that, it's a great rig.

[Happy Gilmore]

I had a 1998 Toyota Camry. I bought it from a guy selling it for $800 because it didn't pass emissions. Had 280K. I put a $70 O2 sensor in it at the Shucks parking lot at Eastgate and drove to Issaquah and back to re-set the sensor and passed emissions. I sold it for $3,200 after putting another 35K on it. It didn't burn a drop of oil and the transmission shifted just fine. I wish I would have kept it but, needed money to buy a camper at the time.

[thinkingman]

I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
I will be happy to list TSB's for Toyota vehicles that should never occur in a well-designed and manufactured vehicle.
Care to see the list?
Sorry to hijack thread but......

[FC]

I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
I will be happy to list TSB's for Toyota vehicles that should never occur in a well-designed and manufactured vehicle.
Care to see the list?
Sorry to hijack thread but......

That is because you have a personal beef with toyota, ask Jackelope if he will give you a list of tsb's from Dodge...You don't want to see any other manufacturer's list either! Toyota does a lot better on that score than you want to believe.

I have no idea what Consumer Reports has to say, never read it. I just go off of my experiences both working on and driving cars/trucks for the last 20 years.

[Happy Gilmore]

That is because you have a personal beef with toyota, ask Jackelope if he will give you a list of tsb's from Dodge...You don't want to see any other manufacturer's list either! Toyota does a lot better on that score than you want to believe.

I have no idea what Consumer Reports has to say, never read it. I just go off of my experiences both working on and driving cars/trucks for the last 20 years.
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Well, he drives a Toyota Tacoma so, he could legitimately have a beef or opinion about his experience with his truck I suppose

[Miles]

I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
I will be happy to list TSB's for Toyota vehicles that should never occur in a well-designed and manufactured vehicle.
Care to see the list?
Sorry to hijack thread but......

Post it.  I triple dog dare you.

[FC]

Well, he drives a Toyota Tacoma so, he could legitimately have a beef or opinion about his experience with his truck I suppose

Yeah I agree, as do I and thousands of others. No offense but being as I have driven and worked on literally thousands of cars, I think my own observations are a little more astute on this topic. He and I have talked about some of his issues with his tacoma and truthfully they sound much overblown. I've heard about the spring issue he had and there was even a tsb for it. If I hated any vehicle as much as he professes to hate his it would be sold or traded asap.

[carpsniperg2]

Dang! This one kinda exploded