Post by: bearpaw on September 27, 2011, 11:01:11 PM
GRAPHIC* DAMN WOLVES! (Not my dogs)
This is what happened to a good friend of mine and a fellow Bgh member. This is horrible and i believe that it needs to be shared so that people can see the devistation that these wolves cause. I dont even know what to say after reading this and seeing these pics. Please pass this on.
I'm mad. And not just a little mad either. Three of the best bear hounds I've ever been lucky enough to own, were killed by federally funded terrorists. Wolves did this while I was bear hunting scarcely ten miles from my house. My dogs were ran down and stretched from end to end. Torn apart with slashing teeth, their skin ripped off in chunks and ate, along with their guts, bones and every other piece they could rip apart before I was able to get to the scene of this ugly crime and run them away. I could smell the dogs before I found them. I could smell the blood and the guts and the death. Ruby had been killed first, there wasn't much left of her. A bare spine was all that held together her front and her hind end. They'd chewed many of her ribs off, down to the backbone. As for Candy, they'd only just begun on her, tearing into her side and chest cavity, guts and organs pulled out onto the ground. They hadn't had a chance to eat much of her before I arrived. She was gruesomely contorted, silently conveying the horrible way she died by the teeth of those wolves. I found Josey 700 yards away. The wolves had tore him up really bad but he was still alive. Although he was rushed to the vet, he died of his wounds. So there it is. All of this took place in no more than fifteen or twenty minutes from the time the wolves came in on my dogs while they were trailing a bear. I couldn't have gotten there any quicker.
As I sat beside my two dead hounds on the hillside I looked out over the beauty of the mountains and the bright blue, cloudless sky. I could hear birds singing and the rustling of the wind as it rolled through the pines. It was a beautiful day but the wolves had put a bloody stain on the land and made these mountains ugly to me. In the Clearwater country of Idaho, where I grew up hunting and running hounds, there is now an uneasiness. All the land can feel it and I can feel it too. This whole scene sickened me and galvanized my deep, deep disdain for the wolf.
Some people seem to think that houndsmen treat their hounds more like a tool than a dog. I assure you that this is not the case. These dogs, that the wolves ate, were part of my family. From the time they were born, they spent a lot of time in the house, sometimes sleeping on the couch or maybe on the dogbed beside my recliner in the living room. I couldn't move without them making sure they could come along with me. They were glad to see me arrive home from work, and they didn't like it when I left them home. These hounds were just the same as anyone else's pet, like your pet, a true part of the family. These dogs didn't deserve to die in such a gruesome way, being torn apart and eaten while they were still alive. No dog does.
What really makes me angry is those who would say that it's a risk that all houndsman take when they unclip the dogs; that by turning our hounds loose, we are putting them in harms way and by doing so we somehow value our dogs less than other dog owners. Houndsman, and the the hounds we hunt with, share the same fundamental yearning in our soul to pursue the wild places. You can't force a hound to chase after a bear or cougar, it's been bred into them for thousands of years. We all realize that there are many inherent dangers when it comes to bear or cougar hunting, however, prior to 1995, having our hounds killed by wolves was not one of those dangers. It was then that this exotic species was introduced to Idaho. The wolves are killing these dogs only because they are occupying the same space. And, frankly these wolves shouldn't be in these mountains in the first place. My dogs are dead, and the fault doesn't lie with the hound or the houndsmen. It lies squarely with the wolves who killed and ate my dogs, and with those who supported, and continue to support, the introduction of this exotic species into an area where it had never roamed before. Never roamed, because the timber wolf that inhabited this area many years ago was a much smaller sub-species than the Canadian grey that we are now plagued with.
Shane Richards
Headquarters, Idaho
The dogs were killed Monday September 19th, 2011 on Deadhorse Mountain which is ten miles northeast of Headquarters, Idaho
Let anyone you know read this and see these horrible pictures, I'd like as many people as possible know what these wolves are doing. This is absolutely unacceptable.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 27, 2011, 11:05:41 PM
Post by: mulehunter on September 27, 2011, 11:18:19 PM
Mulehunter.
Bearpaw post. here add two pics. sad deal.
Post by: Sportfury on September 27, 2011, 11:32:42 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on September 28, 2011, 01:48:34 AM
Post by: twistiron on September 28, 2011, 04:40:30 AM
Post by: buckhorn2 on September 28, 2011, 05:55:54 AM
Post by: seth30 on September 28, 2011, 06:25:36 AM
Thats just not right. Wolves are nothing but killing machines and they won;t just stop with dogs it;s going to be someone before this is over. Sorry for your loss we bought a wolf tag and hope to use it.I have a sad feeling your right, and I put the blame 100% on any group that helped wolves recover. I wonder how they will sleep at night after our first fatal human attack?
Post by: CedarPants on September 28, 2011, 06:37:29 AM
Post by: jackmaster on September 28, 2011, 06:54:49 AM
Post by: high country on September 28, 2011, 07:22:48 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 28, 2011, 07:32:58 AM
Post by: bearpaw on September 28, 2011, 07:41:50 AM
Under the proposed Washington Plan, I don't even think you can shoot in defense if your pets or hounds are being attacked. If I remember correctly you can only protect your livestock or humans.
Post by: Machias on September 28, 2011, 08:01:13 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2011, 08:04:16 AM
I have half a mind to post this link on all the wolf lover pages I closely monitor on Facebook
They don't care about other animals, only wolves. They could care less about elk, deer, domestic animals, livestock because their tunnel vision is so acute as to blind them to the pain they cause every other animal impacted by bringing in these pests. They are very hypocritical.
Post by: high country on September 28, 2011, 08:15:21 AM
I think it is good that these events stay off msm as chasing bears or cats can be viewed as pretty cruel by softies. It only opens the door to get hounds outlawed imo. We all know the risk when we go after predators, they make their living killing stuff. We need to respect their power and make our best efforts to keep the population of the wolf under control.
That said, it saddens me deeply to think about those hounds doing what they know and getting killed for it. The one thing that I am oddly happy to see is that they ate the hound instead of just killing it as so often seen with elk. I know that will not be understood by all. I still can't believe people thought this was a good idea......import of Canada's wolves.
Post by: BIGINNER on September 28, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
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That said, it saddens me deeply to think about those hounds doing what they know and getting killed for it. The one thing that I am oddly happy to see is that they ate the hound instead of just killing it as so often seen with elk. I know that will not be understood by all. I still can't believe people thought this was a good idea......import of Canada's wolves.
i noticed that too,... but it makes me think,.. why are wolves targeting dogs as food?
i can understand killing the dogs like they do coyotes,... but for food? make yout hink that maybe the wolves are lacking elk/deer for food,.. or just found an easier source of food and will do this kind of killing for often?? :dunno:
Post by: high country on September 28, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
Post by: bearpaw on September 28, 2011, 09:00:31 AM
Post by: jackmaster on September 28, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
Post by: BoomWhop on September 28, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
Post by: mulehunter on September 28, 2011, 12:00:36 PM
We will all get even.
Mulehunter
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 28, 2011, 03:22:28 PM
Post by: jackmaster on September 28, 2011, 03:27:02 PM
WTH !!! O.k So it is o.k for the wolf to chase the deer & elk and chew them all to pieces and eat them BUT Its not O.K for hounds to chase bear and cougar so I can kill them and eat them ...Why in the heck are we letting these dumbflucks keep telling us what to do ? I guess it will be open season on wolfs year round real soon >:( :yeah::yeah: i am with ya 100%
Post by: steen on September 28, 2011, 03:31:02 PM
Post by: carver52 on September 28, 2011, 03:48:33 PM
Seems like a target rich environment to me. Say #4 buck or dead coyote heavyshot. Man I surprise myself sometimes. Go get 'em guys. Tear 'em up.
Post by: seth30 on September 29, 2011, 11:28:04 AM
Post by: jackmaster on September 29, 2011, 12:06:30 PM
Here's a thought, just a thought mind you but consider this. We all know that other animals like waterfowl can be called with electronic callers and other predators also. Bear, cougar, coyotes, bobcats, all can be called. Seems to me it would only take a little effort to record a pack of hounds and use this as a call to attract wolves. Seems a group of guys, all with proper licenses of course could do some big time catch up on a pack of dog killers. Could get quite sporty too. Everyone in the group in a tight circle, shotguns all pointed out with defined kill zones.permission to join the line LT CARVER52 :tup:
Seems like a target rich environment to me. Say #4 buck or dead coyote heavyshot. Man I surprise myself sometimes. Go get 'em guys. Tear 'em up.
Post by: Sportfury on September 29, 2011, 09:38:45 PM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on September 29, 2011, 09:58:32 PM
I'm up for taking Michael Vick's dogs out in the woods and seeing how the pitbulls would handle some wolves :twocents:hahaha that's hilarious but I don't think they stand a chance. Justine will be served for all animals lost due to the wolves. sucks that its coming to this over something that should have never happened. sorry for his loss
Post by: carver52 on October 01, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
I think I really do need to do some varmint calling around the NE. Would be a good field test for my shotgun addon.
Post by: butcher98951 on October 01, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Post by: Condor58 on October 03, 2011, 09:43:32 PM
How does a pack of wolves kill two dogs, fatally injure another, eat most of one and start eating the other in 15 - 20 minutes? I can assure you they dogs would have put up a fight. Something doesn't sound right with this story. If wolves did this, the dogs were there a lot longer than 15 - 20 minutes.
I don't feel bad for the owner, because he was a fool and should have been thinking ahead. How to protect his dogs. I feel bad for the dogs. We humans are amazing aren't we, we put animals we love in harms way and then point the finger at everything but ourselves when they get killed. How many dogs get killed every year because guys run them after bears and wild hogs? Plenty get killed by the bears and hogs but yuo don't hear about it becasue that was the animal that was targeted and the guys running the dogs don't want the publicity.
Post by: high country on October 03, 2011, 09:47:05 PM
Post by: Maximus4252626 on October 04, 2011, 01:50:02 AM
Post by: Huntboy on October 04, 2011, 05:52:08 AM
Post by: jackmaster on October 04, 2011, 06:39:41 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 04, 2011, 07:12:11 AM
I don't feel bad for the owner, because he was a fool and should have been thinking ahead. How to protect his dogs. I feel bad for the dogs. We humans are amazing aren't we, we put animals we love in harms way and then point the finger at everything but ourselves when they get killed. How many dogs get killed every year because guys run them after bears and wild hogs? Plenty get killed by the bears and hogs but yuo don't hear about it becasue that was the animal that was targeted and the guys running the dogs don't want the publicity.I'll keep that in mind when the WDFW calls me to come take care of a cougar after it slips into your suburban utopia and eats your pug.
"Um- it looks as though this pug didn't fight back becasue there isn't adequate blood splattering on the side of the suburu he was hiding under when this lion snatched him up. Sorry, that's nature."
Give me a break- go back to the HSUS forum.
Wolves VS. Dogs is not a fight, it's more like a purse snatching.
Post by: Shed Stud on October 04, 2011, 07:33:26 AM
Post by: Rooster1981 on October 04, 2011, 07:33:53 AM
Does anyone know if the Fish and Game looked at the dogs? I enlarged the pictures and was surprised to see no blood on the ground or pieces of flesh and the plants around the body (small plants by the way) of the dog he claims was killed and practically consumed in 15 - 20 minutes were not trampled down like I would have expected if a pack of wolves had been ripping the dogs apart. And, no defensve wounds around the dogs heads or blood. There should be blood and pieces of hair and flesh around an animal that was torn up by wolves.
How does a pack of wolves kill two dogs, fatally injure another, eat most of one and start eating the other in 15 - 20 minutes? I can assure you they dogs would have put up a fight. Something doesn't sound right with this story. If wolves did this, the dogs were there a lot longer than 15 - 20 minutes.
I don't feel bad for the owner, because he was a fool and should have been thinking ahead. How to protect his dogs. I feel bad for the dogs. We humans are amazing aren't we, we put animals we love in harms way and then point the finger at everything but ourselves when they get killed. How many dogs get killed every year because guys run them after bears and wild hogs? Plenty get killed by the bears and hogs but yuo don't hear about it becasue that was the animal that was targeted and the guys running the dogs don't want the publicity.
Thanks Bearpaw for shutting this cull up,
There are alot of haters and alot of normal people that just dont have any clue what the real world is or how it functions. We as hunmans destroyed the natural habitat for all wild animals in this country along time ago. So now we are tasked with the conservation of many species of animals, and to be blunt controling the animals means harvesting them so they dont go out of control like the wolves did in many western strates. Hounds get killed by wolves, not too surprissing when you think about it. But to prevent wolves from detroying the most ethical and humane way to Identify a preditor, catch a preditor, and harvest preditors like lion and bear wolves will need to be in check just like everything else in the ecosystem.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 04, 2011, 08:08:08 AM
Does anyone know if the Fish and Game looked at the dogs? I enlarged the pictures and was surprised to see no blood on the ground or pieces of flesh and the plants around the body (small plants by the way) of the dog he claims was killed and practically consumed in 15 - 20 minutes were not trampled down like I would have expected if a pack of wolves had been ripping the dogs apart. And, no defensve wounds around the dogs heads or blood. There should be blood and pieces of hair and flesh around an animal that was torn up by wolves.
How does a pack of wolves kill two dogs, fatally injure another, eat most of one and start eating the other in 15 - 20 minutes? I can assure you they dogs would have put up a fight. Something doesn't sound right with this story. If wolves did this, the dogs were there a lot longer than 15 - 20 minutes.
I don't feel bad for the owner, because he was a fool and should have been thinking ahead. How to protect his dogs. I feel bad for the dogs. We humans are amazing aren't we, we put animals we love in harms way and then point the finger at everything but ourselves when they get killed. How many dogs get killed every year because guys run them after bears and wild hogs? Plenty get killed by the bears and hogs but yuo don't hear about it becasue that was the animal that was targeted and the guys running the dogs don't want the publicity.
Your ignorance of the wild shines like a beacon. You've apparently never seen a pack of wolves taking down an elk in Yellowstone. In 15-20 minutes they can eat about half the animal. But since you're concerned only for the wolves and none of the other animals, it's probably not in your best interest to find this out for yourself.
There's no boar hunting in WA and bear hunting with hounds is illegal, so this is another place where you could use a little actual knowledge. But if the truth isn't what you're after, and it's clear it isn't, you won't bother to find these things out. Go back to your PETA friends where what you say will be accepted no matter the content.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 04, 2011, 09:46:56 AM
Does anyone know if the Fish and Game looked at the dogs? I enlarged the pictures and was surprised to see no blood on the ground or pieces of flesh and the plants around the body (small plants by the way) of the dog he claims was killed and practically consumed in 15 - 20 minutes were not trampled down like I would have expected if a pack of wolves had been ripping the dogs apart. And, no defensve wounds around the dogs heads or blood. There should be blood and pieces of hair and flesh around an animal that was torn up by wolves.
How does a pack of wolves kill two dogs, fatally injure another, eat most of one and start eating the other in 15 - 20 minutes? I can assure you they dogs would have put up a fight. Something doesn't sound right with this story. If wolves did this, the dogs were there a lot longer than 15 - 20 minutes.
I don't feel bad for the owner, because he was a fool and should have been thinking ahead. How to protect his dogs. I feel bad for the dogs. We humans are amazing aren't we, we put animals we love in harms way and then point the finger at everything but ourselves when they get killed. How many dogs get killed every year because guys run them after bears and wild hogs? Plenty get killed by the bears and hogs but yuo don't hear about it becasue that was the animal that was targeted and the guys running the dogs don't want the publicity.
Trolls are usually smarter than this, trying to fool us but this one is flaming!
Post by: twistiron on October 08, 2011, 03:05:02 AM
Although I feel you lack the prior knowledge to understand this I am going to give it my best shot. hounds are sweet loving gentile dogs who seldom have a mean
bone much less a fighting streak. They would not stand a chance to a lone wolfnever mind a handful of them. Please take the time to look at the facts and then come back and start a new thread and we will all be happy to debate till you to you buy a wolf tag until then I hope your dog is happy in its kennel where its is safe.
Post by: jackmaster on October 11, 2011, 01:39:24 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 11, 2011, 01:53:14 PM
i have noticed that mr condor58 *censored* hasnt came back to debate squat, it just goes to show that he is a tree huger that just likes to get under the peoples skin that actually do care about wildlife THE SPORTSMAN......
He was banned.....
Post by: Huntboy on October 11, 2011, 02:13:26 PM
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Thank you.
Post by: jackmaster on October 11, 2011, 02:31:41 PM
Post by: Special T on October 11, 2011, 02:50:31 PM
Post by: mossy8352 on October 11, 2011, 03:12:03 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on October 12, 2011, 04:39:15 PM
So the Wolf she killed was one of the Wolves that helped kill the 3 hounds.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84504.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84504.0.html)
Post by: mulehunter on October 12, 2011, 08:21:37 PM
No wonder why Okanagon county residence of two Great Pygrene already dead since both dog running from his house all way to pond and back EVERYDAY between 1 mile long, One day 8 wolves came down to his place and wipe both dead. :yike: Sound like it should works. :dunno:
He wrote it.
Seing photo's and hearing of someone loosing their hounds to wolves does not sit well with me.
Sorry for your loss Shane, it has to be tough on ya.
You fellas need to get everyone you know that has any interest in killing wolves , trapping,snaring calling and throw a few dollars in a pot and get in touch with a guy named Gordy Clausen.
gordy@trappergord.com
Not sure how it would work for him to come down your way,but this guy knows how to kill wolves and teaches a class that will give each and everyone that takes it a ton of information on killing wolves....
It would be the best $100 you "EVER" spent and you WILL kill wolves...
He's a master, I've trappen all my life and what I learned from his 2 day clinic sure helped me kill afew more than I would have last winter.
You have some of the best wolf lure I know of every time you let your ol hound cock his leg or squat ..... urine!!!!!
Where I unload my hounds alot of the time I am in wolf country, so I'll lay a couple traps out where the hounds mark a big tree and hang a bunch of snares....you'll even the score and feel damd good about it when you go to check things out and there's a couple hung up with your cable and another cowering behind the brush with an Alaska#9 hangin off his paw...
Don't wait , get all the info you can on snaring and tralpping wolves.
The guys putting out those DVD's are good and you can learn alot from those as well.
Ol Dan helped me catch this 110 lb male last Jan!!!!
Anyone having questions, I'd be more than glad to share what I have found that works for me here....wolves are wolves and they will make a misteak, let your hounds help even out the playin field...they can not resist stoppin where your ol hound just marked a tree!!!!
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Post by: bearpaw on October 13, 2011, 05:57:56 AM
Post by: twistiron on October 13, 2011, 06:19:35 AM
Post by: jackmaster on October 13, 2011, 06:25:28 AM
great addition to our forum mulehunter!!!! should email condor an invitation to the class!!!!! :lol4::yeah: we can let a hound piss on his leg then gag him and tie his ass to a tree so he cant move, better yet we can soak him in canine in heat lure..... :tup:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 13, 2011, 06:44:04 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 13, 2011, 07:04:20 AM
I am VERY HOPEFUL that my hounds avoid any killing traps in Idaho this year- I'm not too excited to hear that a bunch of amateurs are going to be setting killing traps in N idaho... :o
Post by: jackmaster on October 13, 2011, 07:23:05 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 13, 2011, 07:29:47 AM
Post by: jackmaster on October 13, 2011, 09:16:21 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 13, 2011, 09:23:31 AM
i have had hound in leg holds before but never a kill trap
me too...
I had a connibear on my arm once by not being careful setting it, I can tell you they would not be good on a hound. Trappers should post signs in areas they are trapping, watch for those signs. :tup:
Post by: jackmaster on October 13, 2011, 10:31:09 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 13, 2011, 11:15:56 AM
I like that they're trapping wolves, but I would rather make them do legholds. I don't like kill traps for bobcats, coyotes, or wolves. Good hounds are too valubale to lose to a darn trap!
Post by: Houndhunter on October 13, 2011, 11:22:24 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 13, 2011, 11:35:28 AM
Hopefully I'll draw an ID hound permit- if I do I WILL be carrying a wolf tag in my pocket anytime I'm over there and I'll pull off any track I'm running to go after a wolf if the opportunity presents itself.
Post by: bearpaw on October 13, 2011, 11:40:58 AM
This an age old controversy between hounds and traps, I do both so I can se both sides. If the trappers post siogns and the hounders avoid posted areas, most conflict can be avoided.
At a time when the state is trying to manage wolves I hate to see sportsmen start slinging mud at each other over who has the right to be in the woods when we all need to be there killing as many wolves as possible.
Post by: Houndhunter on October 13, 2011, 11:56:29 AM
ha- I'm not sure there are too many breeds that have a chance with a wolf, or a pack of wolves. It's not a dogfight, it's more like a purse snatching.
Hopefully I'll draw an ID hound permit- if I do I WILL be carrying a wolf tag in my pocket anytime I'm over there and I'll pull off any track I'm running to go after a wolf if the opportunity presents itself.
i havnt seen them yet, but i know guys are doing it and i think they got the right idea. run 3 or 4 of those guys along with your hunting hounds, and you got some peace of mind atleast. i would love to run hounds that wiegh 150lbs of muscle, may need a bigger dog box though lol
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 13, 2011, 12:04:30 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 13, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
ha- I'm not sure there are too many breeds that have a chance with a wolf, or a pack of wolves. It's not a dogfight, it's more like a purse snatching.
Hopefully I'll draw an ID hound permit- if I do I WILL be carrying a wolf tag in my pocket anytime I'm over there and I'll pull off any track I'm running to go after a wolf if the opportunity presents itself.
i havnt seen them yet, but i know guys are doing it and i think they got the right idea. run 3 or 4 of those guys along with your hunting hounds, and you got some peace of mind atleast. i would love to run hounds that wiegh 150lbs of muscle, may need a bigger dog box though lol
Do they know if those other dogs will mix well with their hounds? I know a few guys who have tried to mix other breeds to make grittier bear dogs and ended up with problems within their own pack or when hunting with other dogs. Just curious?
Post by: sebek556 on October 13, 2011, 12:25:55 PM
Post by: jackmaster on October 13, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 13, 2011, 12:35:08 PM
What about snares, I think snares will prove more effective than any other means.
Post by: Houndhunter on October 13, 2011, 12:44:48 PM
ha- I'm not sure there are too many breeds that have a chance with a wolf, or a pack of wolves. It's not a dogfight, it's more like a purse snatching.
Hopefully I'll draw an ID hound permit- if I do I WILL be carrying a wolf tag in my pocket anytime I'm over there and I'll pull off any track I'm running to go after a wolf if the opportunity presents itself.
i havnt seen them yet, but i know guys are doing it and i think they got the right idea. run 3 or 4 of those guys along with your hunting hounds, and you got some peace of mind atleast. i would love to run hounds that wiegh 150lbs of muscle, may need a bigger dog box though lol
Do they know if those other dogs will mix well with their hounds? I know a few guys who have tried to mix other breeds to make grittier bear dogs and ended up with problems within their own pack or when hunting with other dogs. Just curious?
i really dont know, but that is the only problem i see is making sure they can get along ok. otherwise you'll hve dead dogs at the tree or in the dog box. i see pits doing wel with hounds down south on pigs tho so why cant it work here? i havnt met anyone personally that is doing this, but i hope to soon as i would like to be apart of it. 150lbs may be a stretch for size but id imagine just a 70lbs pitbull could take on most any full grown wolf
Post by: jackelope on October 13, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
A couple Rhodesian Ridgebacks or Bull Mastiffs might be just the ticket. Or the more obvious, Irish Wolfhound.
You'll have to find some wolf hounds that still have some wolf hunting blood left in them. These domestic dogs don't stand a chance in a throwdown with a wolf. Too much domestication bred into them I suspect.
:dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on October 13, 2011, 12:52:43 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on October 13, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
I think they still chase wolves in Russia with packs of dogs.
that would be fun, id love to go around the world and hunt different critters with dogs
Post by: jackmaster on October 13, 2011, 02:21:43 PM
I know it's controversial.the only problem i see with snares is either a hounds foot ends up in it and more than likely have to lose the leg or worse get their neck in it, and then you have a dead hound, i know when i trapped i caught some big ass cougars in them and was able to anchor them well enough so they didnt get away and that was with some MB750S, you know as well as i do if the trapper sets it right and puts in enough swivels and a couple good anchor points then the wolf will be there when checked, i dont have hounds anymore, but i know wothout a doubt that you feel the same way about your dogs as i did, and losing one to a snare or coniber will flat just hurt the heart, when a good leg hold will do just as good, and then just haven a hound in a leg hold would be stressfull, just for the fact that a pack of wolves come by and it will be a gruesome sight, oh i know we can beat this to death but the only way to help the hounds and kill a bunch of wolves is to only use leg holds, again sorry if i am pissn anyone off...
What about snares, I think snares will prove more effective than any other means.
Post by: sebek556 on October 13, 2011, 02:48:13 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 13, 2011, 04:30:59 PM
I know it's controversial.Snares are very effective, but they're still a killing trap. Every coyote I've ever snared has been a tangled mess and dead.
What about snares, I think snares will prove more effective than any other means.
Post by: bearpaw on October 13, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
I think they still chase wolves in Russia with packs of dogs.
that would be fun, id love to go around the world and hunt different critters with dogs
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