Post by: 270Shooter on October 10, 2011, 02:58:31 PM
I currently shoot a Browning A-bolt stainless stalker in .270winchester. And I have some questions that I hope you rifles guys can help me out with. I have had this rifles for around 4 years and I don't shoot it very much (or enough for that matter) but I have killed 3 deer with it in that amount of time. I probably have only shot 80-90 rounds through the rifle in this time, and the only load I have ever shot through it is the Federal premium 140 gr nosler accubonds. Now I have killed 3 deer in MT with this rifle, and my longest shot is 485 yards (i Know probably shouldnt have shot that far, but it worked out). Now this rifle has never grouped very well for me, generally around 1 1/2 inches or so, but it usually strings the shots as the barrel warms up (always has). But the wierd thing is it only takes one shot for this rifle to string shots like crazy. It has never done it as bad as it did when i shot it on saturday. From a cold barrel the first shot is always right where it should be 2 1/2"-3" high at 100 yards. Then the very next shot will be only 1 inch high, but still right dead center as far as windage goes. The next shot will be a little lower yet. Any ideas as to what could cause this?
I know everything is tight, and I am aware that every load will group differently, and this is the only one i have ever tried in this rifle. So i guess what I am asking is, any ideas as to what could be causing this? Other than the fact that I need to just try some different loads, I dont handload and I just hate to buy a box of shells that only shoot a 3 inch group and then I basically have 17 worthless shells.
Post by: bobcat on October 10, 2011, 03:00:15 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on October 10, 2011, 03:01:57 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 10, 2011, 03:06:16 PM
Post by: Cleve on October 10, 2011, 03:09:19 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 10, 2011, 03:09:30 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on October 10, 2011, 03:10:07 PM
Post by: Cleve on October 10, 2011, 03:11:01 PM
I also have the same gun and have found the Winchester Powerpoints to shoot the best.
Post by: 270Shooter on October 10, 2011, 03:12:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 10, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
Post by: Firing Pin on October 10, 2011, 04:19:52 PM
Post by: Buckmark on October 10, 2011, 04:50:26 PM
I have a rifle that i shot only box federal stuff with 95gr bullets for years and it was fine, they stopped making my ammo with 95gr so i just went with the 100gr they had, holy crap bullets went everywere.
It did not even dawn on me that the 5grains or the different bullet construction could be the problem (this was along time ago when i was young/poor and knew everything) wasted sometime and frustration with trying even different brands of ammo, still all 100gr, got fed up and bought a new gun.
Years later figured i would revisit that gun, bought some 80gr factory loads to start out, they shot fine, so i bought some relaoding stuff for that gun and put together some 85gr handloads and have never looked back...
Post by: high country on October 10, 2011, 05:15:16 PM
Post by: CplRaines on October 10, 2011, 05:33:14 PM
When you say "everything is tight", have you messed with the action screws? Rifles with poor bedding an be very sensitive to screw tension.
:yeah:
Is the barrel floated. If so, make sure you don't have anything between your barrel and stock like pine needles, dirt, etc.
Post by: coachcw on October 10, 2011, 05:36:07 PM
Post by: FC on October 10, 2011, 05:46:28 PM
When you say "everything is tight", have you messed with the action screws? Rifles with poor bedding an be very sensitive to screw tension.
This sounds like a bedding issue to me, bed the action and try again.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 10, 2011, 06:49:42 PM
When you say "everything is tight", have you messed with the action screws? Rifles with poor bedding an be very sensitive to screw tension.
This sounds like a bedding issue to me, bed the action and try again.
:yeah: When rifles string a shot group, it's a bedding issue. This close to hunting season just make sure the barrel is not touching the stock, and sight it in to kill shot accuracy. After hunting season, invest in a bedding job.
Post by: 270Shooter on October 10, 2011, 07:03:42 PM
Post by: Huntbear on October 10, 2011, 07:43:08 PM
Should cure your ills..
PM me if you have any questions.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 10, 2011, 08:01:05 PM
Watch this video, barrels vibrate as the bullets goes down them. I have a winchester .300 winmag with the boss system on it, deadly accurate, it is more accurate than I can hold it.
Browning has the patent on the system now, some how they got it from winchester, but they have also added slip on boss systems that can be used on almost all guns now. :whoo:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 10, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
I am going to try some different loads, I would like to stay with a bonded bullet or try something like a Barnes tipped triple shock, just i case i decide to go elk hunting with it again.
Have you tried nosler partions?
Post by: 270Shooter on October 10, 2011, 08:12:40 PM
No, I like the looks of them and i know its a great bullet, but i would like a bullet that has better B.C. (maybe it doesn't make as much difference as i think i dont know)I am going to try some different loads, I would like to stay with a bonded bullet or try something like a Barnes tipped triple shock, just i case i decide to go elk hunting with it again.
Have you tried nosler partions?
Post by: high country on October 10, 2011, 08:27:42 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 10, 2011, 08:29:33 PM
No, I like the looks of them and i know its a great bullet, but i would like a bullet that has better B.C. (maybe it doesn't make as much difference as i think i dont know)I am going to try some different loads, I would like to stay with a bonded bullet or try something like a Barnes tipped triple shock, just i case i decide to go elk hunting with it again.i love them, thats all I shoot!
Have you tried nosler partions?
Post by: high country on October 10, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on October 10, 2011, 08:37:41 PM
Post by: tsimp1211 on October 29, 2011, 08:11:01 AM
I have the same rifle, also in 270 Win, and I haven't had an issue like you are describing. Before anything else, I would at least try a different load and see if it does the same thing. I always had good luck with Winchester Power Points- I used to get them from Wal Mart for $11.99/box but I think they're now around $20/box. Although I am sure you can get them for a little less on sale.
Cheap Winchester PP's were my solution as well. Forgoe the expensive stuff and buy a cheap box of the Winchesters. Mine shoots the 130gr very very good.......less than MOA. Federals, Hornadys, and Remington's all shot about 2-4" at 100 yards. The Winchester PP's are $17.99 a box at my local WalMart.
Post by: tsimp1211 on October 29, 2011, 08:22:28 AM
I had a bad feeding problem with my .243WSSM. I sent it back to Browning and they milled a feeding ramp into the chamber for me. Fixed the problem 100% and couldn't have been happier with their Customer Service.
:tup:
My father in law had an issue with a 22-250 that wouldn't shoot right. The rifling in the barrel was bad and they sent him a new rifle, and upgraded it to a Medallion for his trouble. Wouldn't hurt to give them a call if you can't find an ammo that shoots well in it at all.
Post by: nwdp on November 01, 2011, 06:53:12 PM
Post by: jamesjett on November 01, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
I only suggested the Power Points because they are cheap and in my experience, as accurate or more accurate than anything else. Just shoot up the whole box then you won't have any left for hunting.
work great in my 7MM :tup:
Post by: 270Shooter on November 01, 2011, 09:56:03 PM
I guess maybe its from all the hype but I just really would like to stick to a premium bullet and I've had good performance on game from these accubonds. I should try to find another load that shoots better but since i said screw big game hunting in Washington I haven't really had the need to do so. Maybe I'll see about getting it looked at when I get back from montana. I'm not to worried about it because the first shot from a cold barrel is always right where it should be and if I just make it count I'll be good to go.
And no I haven't been putting the barrel on the rest when I shoot :chuckle:. I always find that sort of funny when someone does that too.