Post by: rgalanti21 on October 11, 2011, 01:13:08 PM
PS I want the 80# draw because I am 6'6" and 250 lbs, so 80# isn't too much at all.
Post by: DWP on October 11, 2011, 01:20:57 PM
Great Northwest in Puyallup.
-My partner is 6'4" and a knuckle dragger. He just got a Bowtech Destroyer 350 and it fits his 31.5" DL by adding a very slightly longer loop... He shoots it quite well, but they don't go up to 80lbs as far as I know.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 11, 2011, 01:24:13 PM
Post by: DWP on October 11, 2011, 01:29:39 PM
Personally I shoot 70lbs and 482grn arrows. I wouldn't call 80lbs overkill as long as a guy can smoothly draw it in all kinds of awkward positions and in cold temps, as well as being able to stay steady at full draw. I can handle 80lbs, just choose not to
Post by: sebek556 on October 11, 2011, 01:33:15 PM
on the other hand I have one and love it. just goto the shops see what they have and try them out see what fits you best.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 11, 2011, 02:19:26 PM
While you certainly don't need 80lbs to kill any NA big game, it would allow a guy to shoot some very heavy arrows....
Personally I shoot 70lbs and 482grn arrows. I wouldn't call 80lbs overkill as long as a guy can smoothly draw it in all kinds of awkward positions and in cold temps, as well as being able to stay steady at full draw. I can handle 80lbs, just choose not to
I could handle it just fine. I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight. It's not needed. Heavier arrows are worse. Light arrows shoot flat. most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow. Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. :twocents:
Post by: DWP on October 11, 2011, 02:28:59 PM
While you certainly don't need 80lbs to kill any NA big game, it would allow a guy to shoot some very heavy arrows....
Personally I shoot 70lbs and 482grn arrows. I wouldn't call 80lbs overkill as long as a guy can smoothly draw it in all kinds of awkward positions and in cold temps, as well as being able to stay steady at full draw. I can handle 80lbs, just choose not to
I could handle it just fine. I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight. It's not needed. Heavier arrows are worse. Light arrows shoot flat. most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow. Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. :twocents:
Don't know what you mean by" heavier arrows are worse", but other than that I agree with what you say... 420 grn arrows out of a 64lb draw is plenty good enough.
Post by: Button Nubbs on October 11, 2011, 02:48:09 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 11, 2011, 02:56:18 PM
I could handle it just fine. I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight. It's not needed. Heavier arrows are worse. Light arrows shoot flat. most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow. Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. :twocents:
I would question very hard the validity of that statement. I want heavier arrows for more KE and I suspect I'm not alone in that thinking.
Post by: sebek556 on October 11, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 11, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
I could handle it just fine. I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight. It's not needed. Heavier arrows are worse. Light arrows shoot flat. most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow. Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. :twocents:
I would question very hard the validity of that statement. I want heavier arrows for more KE and I suspect I'm not alone in that thinking.
Why would they set a min grain per pound of draw weight? I've always heard of guys getting as close as possible to that min and getting nice flat straight patterns out of it. Your telling me you get as heavy as arrows as your bow can shoot? 6 grains per pound of draw is plenty of KE thats why its the law. :twocents:
Post by: sebek556 on October 11, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on October 11, 2011, 04:43:13 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 11, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Post by: rgalanti21 on October 11, 2011, 04:59:11 PM
I could handle it just fine. I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight. It's not needed. Heavier arrows are worse. Light arrows shoot flat. most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow. Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. :twocents:
I would question very hard the validity of that statement. I want heavier arrows for more KE and I suspect I'm not alone in that thinking.
I am in the heavier arrow boat, but that's only because I am a physics major at UW haha. (1/2)*m*v^2, more mass=more KE :IBCOOL:
Post by: rgalanti21 on October 11, 2011, 05:04:30 PM
Post by: DWP on October 11, 2011, 05:15:28 PM
FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.
I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)
Post by: rgalanti21 on October 11, 2011, 05:19:58 PM
I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.
FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.
I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)
KE is a pretty good indicator of momentum; however, KE goes up with the square of the velocity and momentum does not, so mass is more important to momentum, and velocity is more important to KE.
KE=(1/2)*m*v^2
Momentum=mass*velocity :archery_smiley:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 11, 2011, 07:08:03 PM
I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.
FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.
I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)
Heavier arrows are not more accurate you say it yourself flatter trajectory equals more accuracy.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 11, 2011, 07:12:17 PM
I could handle it just fine. I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight. It's not needed. Heavier arrows are worse. Light arrows shoot flat. most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow. Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. :twocents:
I would question very hard the validity of that statement. I want heavier arrows for more KE and I suspect I'm not alone in that thinking.
I am in the heavier arrow boat, but that's only because I am a physics major at UW haha. (1/2)*m*v^2, more mass=more KE :IBCOOL:
lmao!!! Go Cougs!!!!!
Post by: DWP on October 11, 2011, 07:49:08 PM
I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.
FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.
I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)
Heavier arrows are not more accurate "you say it yourself flatter trajectory equals more accuracy."
I never said flatter trajectory equals more accuracy. One thing that flatter trajectory gets you is that you have a smaller pin gap, which can be a bonus when you need to shoot at unknown yardages. It is also one of the things that I accept as a trade-off with my heavyish arrows.
My point is that I attain improved accuracy by having the best possible arrow flight that I can. I want my arrows stabilizing as fast as possible. For me a heavier arrow deadens/quiets my bow at the shot. A heavier arrow seems to not waste the energy that my bow is transferring to it. Having my vanes fletched with the maximum amount of helical improves spin which stabilizes my arrow faster(and also slows it down more than offset vanes) . And a heavier arrow(and bullet) is more apt to retain it's momentum and or energy the farther downrange you go.
Note that I am taking all of this from my experience with my hunting setup.
Post by: DWP on October 11, 2011, 07:54:06 PM
I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.
FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.
I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)
KE is a pretty good indicator of momentum; however, KE goes up with the square of the velocity and momentum does not, so mass is more important to momentum, and velocity is more important to KE.
KE=(1/2)*m*v^2
Momentum=mass*velocity :archery_smiley:
Nice to know, I appreciate you sharing that. :tup:
So as I understand it increased momentum aids in penetration more than increased velocity. Correct?
Post by: Stilly bay on October 11, 2011, 08:45:49 PM
you take Bow X which is set up to shoot 325 fps with a 60lb draw weight and 28" draw length, you dial down the poundage to 50LBs at 28" and the FPS goes down...
now they make Bow X in a heavier 70lb draw weight also and it is designed to shoot the advertised 325 fps as well (same model just sold in a heavier poundage) if the arrow is still only going at 325 (even though its from a heavier 70lb bow) what is the advantage of the heavier draw weight?
personally I am all for the heaviest arrow I can get my hands on. when I did traditional I used hickory and iron wood shafts out of 75lb recurve. the ping pong ball versus golf ball theory always made sense to me.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on October 11, 2011, 08:51:47 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on October 11, 2011, 09:04:30 PM
It could depend on the bow advertised. But I doubt it. Nearly all bows advertised speeds are based off 70 lb weight 30 in DL and 5 gpi arrow weight at 30 inches. (dunno specs for point weight, nock, fletching etc...)
not a 5gpi arrow weight but a 5gpp arrow weight. in other words a 350 gr total arrow weight for ibo standards
Post by: rgalanti21 on October 11, 2011, 11:04:33 PM
I could handle it just fine. I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight. It's not needed. Heavier arrows are worse. Light arrows shoot flat. most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow. Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. :twocents:
I would question very hard the validity of that statement. I want heavier arrows for more KE and I suspect I'm not alone in that thinking.
I am in the heavier arrow boat, but that's only because I am a physics major at UW haha. (1/2)*m*v^2, more mass=more KE :IBCOOL:
lmao!!! Go Cougs!!!!!
hahahahahhahaha, GO DAWGS!!!!
Post by: rgalanti21 on October 11, 2011, 11:05:02 PM
I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.
FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.
I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)
KE is a pretty good indicator of momentum; however, KE goes up with the square of the velocity and momentum does not, so mass is more important to momentum, and velocity is more important to KE.
KE=(1/2)*m*v^2
Momentum=mass*velocity :archery_smiley:
Nice to know, I appreciate you sharing that. :tup:
So as I understand it increased momentum aids in penetration more than increased velocity. Correct?
No problem! :IBCOOL:
Post by: pips4bucks on October 11, 2011, 11:56:54 PM
I have a 31.5" draw and I picked up a PSE Axe 7 last year. I think it maxes out at 31" but I added a string loop and it fits well. The bow shoots great, is light weight, and compact.
If you have your heart set on an 80# draw you'll probably have to special order one. But, I'm in the same boat with having a lighter draw weight you can hold a lot longer.
So I'll throw my :twocents: in the arrow weight debate... I prefer middle of the road. I want arrows heavy enough to carry the momentum yet light enough to shoot flat and accurate.
Post by: rgalanti21 on October 12, 2011, 12:20:40 AM
:jacked:
I have a 31.5" draw and I picked up a PSE Axe 7 last year. I think it maxes out at 31" but I added a string loop and it fits well. The bow shoots great, is light weight, and compact.
If you have your heart set on an 80# draw you'll probably have to special order one. But, I'm in the same boat with having a lighter draw weight you can hold a lot longer.
So I'll throw my :twocents: in the arrow weight debate... I prefer middle of the road. I want arrows heavy enough to carry the momentum yet light enough to shoot flat and accurate.
It's not that I have my heart set on an 80 pound draw, but rather I dont want to be limited to a max of 70...
Post by: huntnnw on October 12, 2011, 06:16:23 AM
Post by: xXx Archery on October 12, 2011, 11:27:34 AM
The Freak
38" ata
7.1/4" Brace height
Draw lenth. 28"-33"
lbs...60-70-80
IBO at 33" draw 358fps
Post by: rgalanti21 on October 12, 2011, 07:24:51 PM
PSE 2012 NEW bow this year ...just for you
The Freak
38" ata
7.1/4" Brace height
Draw lenth. 28"-33"
lbs...60-70-80
IBO at 33" draw 358fps
Any links for this bow????? That sounds right up my alley!!!
Post by: DWP on October 12, 2011, 10:39:10 PM
Post by: rgalanti21 on October 12, 2011, 11:46:05 PM
Post by: xXx Archery on October 13, 2011, 08:26:51 AM
Post by: LincolnTWilliams on October 13, 2011, 09:53:54 AM
I bought a PSE Vendetta XS last year and am pretty happy with it. It's tiny/light, fast, and I can shoot it pretty well. In March I went to shoot it for the first time in a few months, gave it a look over, drew it a few times and every thing seemed normal (bow was 6 months old at this point). I knocked a arrow, took aim, shot and the arrow exploded, boke my sight offand scarred the crap outa me! Guys at the bow shop say I must not have knocked the arrow completely, which I guess that could have happened I dont know, seemed like it was well seated to me.
Anyway the string came off the cams, broke my string stop, and bent a little piece on the one cam. Big mess. Turns out my axles and cams got bent, PSE had to make me a new set. Two months and 160 bucks later I have my bow back. Anyone have any opinions on PSE's customer service? I'm not super happy about my interations with them, and surely hope I dont have any other issues with my bow.
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Post by: Huntboy on November 23, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
HOYT enough said....:yeah: :twocents:
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2011, 10:32:31 AM
Post by: buck man on November 24, 2011, 06:54:44 PM
I could handle it just fine. I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight. It's not needed. Heavier arrows are worse. Light arrows shoot flat. most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow. Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. :twocents:
I would question very hard the validity of that statement. I want heavier arrows for more KE and I suspect I'm not alone in that thinking,
My sentiments exactly. :yeah: I shoot 81# and a 537grain arrow at 30". Needless to say kinetic energy is off the chart awesome!! KE is what you want more than speed. My fps is 296 with that set up.
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