What kind of new bow

[rgalanti21]

I have it narrowed down to either a Vendetta XL and just do 70 pounds, or pony up to the mr7. Gonna go find a good bow shot and test them both out.

[DWP]

I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.

FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and  more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.

I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)


 

[rgalanti21]

I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.

FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and  more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.

I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)

KE is a pretty good indicator of momentum; however, KE goes up with the square of the velocity and momentum does not, so mass is more important to momentum, and velocity is more important to KE.

KE=(1/2)*m*v^2
Momentum=mass*velocity

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

 

I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.

FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and  more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.

I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)


 

Heavier arrows are not more accurate you say it yourself flatter trajectory equals more accuracy.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I could handle it just fine.  I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight.  It's not needed.  Heavier arrows are worse.  Light arrows shoot flat.  most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow.   Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. 

I would question very hard the validity of that statement. I want heavier arrows for more KE and I suspect I'm not alone in that thinking.

I am in the heavier arrow boat, but that's only because I am a physics major at UW haha. (1/2)*m*v^2, more mass=more KE 

lmao!!!  Go Cougs!!!!!

[DWP]

I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.

FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and  more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.

I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)


 

Heavier arrows are not more accurate "you say it yourself flatter trajectory equals more accuracy."

I never said flatter trajectory equals more accuracy. One thing that flatter trajectory gets you is that you have a smaller pin gap, which can be a bonus when you need to shoot at unknown yardages. It is also one of the things that I accept as a trade-off with my heavyish arrows.

 My point is that I attain improved accuracy by having the best possible arrow flight that I can. I want my arrows stabilizing as fast as possible. For me a heavier arrow deadens/quiets my bow at the shot. A heavier arrow seems to not waste the energy that my bow is transferring to it. Having my vanes fletched with the maximum amount of helical improves spin which stabilizes my arrow faster(and also slows it down more than offset vanes) . And a heavier arrow(and bullet) is more apt to retain it's momentum and or energy the farther downrange you go.
Note that I am taking all of this from my experience with my hunting setup.

[DWP]

I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.

FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and  more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.

I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)

KE is a pretty good indicator of momentum; however, KE goes up with the square of the velocity and momentum does not, so mass is more important to momentum, and velocity is more important to KE.

KE=(1/2)*m*v^2
Momentum=mass*velocity

Nice to know, I appreciate you sharing that.      

 So as I understand it increased momentum aids in penetration more than increased velocity. Correct?

[Stilly bay]

heres what I don't understand..... and maybe it only applies to one model of bow I was looking at

you take Bow X which is set up to shoot 325 fps with a 60lb draw weight and 28" draw length, you dial down the poundage to 50LBs at 28" and the FPS goes down...

now they make Bow X in a heavier 70lb draw weight also and it is designed to shoot the advertised 325 fps as well (same model just sold in a heavier poundage)  if the arrow is still only going at 325 (even though its from a heavier 70lb bow) what is the advantage of the heavier draw weight?

personally I am all for the heaviest arrow I can get my hands on. when I did traditional I used hickory and iron wood shafts out of 75lb recurve.  the ping pong ball versus golf ball theory always made sense to me.

[blackveltbowhunter]

It could depend on the bow advertised. But I doubt it. Nearly all bows advertised speeds are based off 70 lb weight 30 in DL and 5 gpi arrow weight at 30 inches. (dunno specs for point weight, nock, fletching etc...)

[Button Nubbs]

It could depend on the bow advertised. But I doubt it. Nearly all bows advertised speeds are based off 70 lb weight 30 in DL and 5 gpi arrow weight at 30 inches. (dunno specs for point weight, nock, fletching etc...)

not a 5gpi arrow weight but a 5gpp arrow weight. in other words a 350 gr total arrow weight for ibo standards

[rgalanti21]

I could handle it just fine.  I would never shorten my draw length to get that much weight.  It's not needed.  Heavier arrows are worse.  Light arrows shoot flat.  most archers try to get the lightest arrows the state will allow.   Personally i shoot 420 something and 64 #s of draw Id be content with 60 # draw plenty of penetration with a good arrow/broadhead. 

I would question very hard the validity of that statement. I want heavier arrows for more KE and I suspect I'm not alone in that thinking.

I am in the heavier arrow boat, but that's only because I am a physics major at UW haha. (1/2)*m*v^2, more mass=more KE 

lmao!!!  Go Cougs!!!!!

hahahahahhahaha, GO DAWGS!!!!

[rgalanti21]

I have pins on my compound, so coupled with some practice I don't need flat trajectory to have accurate arrows. I know that while hunting some situations may come up where flatter trajectory than I already have may be beneficial. I chose not to chase speed, instead I chase accuracy. I have made some choices regarding my arrows that decrease speed yet up my accuracy(increased helical on vanes, heavier total arrow weight, footed shafts, etc...). There are no free lunches, I choose accuracy/consistency over speed.

FWIW- KE is a good indicator of momentum, and  more momentum is what I want to retain downrange.

I also enjoy the arrow weight debate even though it rarely goes anywhere...as a matter of fact I am wondering why I chose to get it going:)

KE is a pretty good indicator of momentum; however, KE goes up with the square of the velocity and momentum does not, so mass is more important to momentum, and velocity is more important to KE.

KE=(1/2)*m*v^2
Momentum=mass*velocity

Nice to know, I appreciate you sharing that.      

 So as I understand it increased momentum aids in penetration more than increased velocity. Correct?

No problem!

[pips4bucks]

 

I have a 31.5" draw and I picked up a PSE Axe 7 last year.  I think it maxes out at 31" but I added a string loop and it fits well.  The bow shoots great, is light weight, and compact.

If you have your heart set on an 80# draw you'll probably have to special order one.  But, I'm in the same boat with having a lighter draw weight you can hold a lot longer. 

So I'll throw my  in the arrow weight debate... I prefer middle of the road.  I want arrows heavy enough to carry the momentum yet light enough to shoot flat and accurate. 

[rgalanti21]

I have a 31.5" draw and I picked up a PSE Axe 7 last year.  I think it maxes out at 31" but I added a string loop and it fits well.  The bow shoots great, is light weight, and compact.

If you have your heart set on an 80# draw you'll probably have to special order one.  But, I'm in the same boat with having a lighter draw weight you can hold a lot longer. 

So I'll throw my  in the arrow weight debate... I prefer middle of the road.  I want arrows heavy enough to carry the momentum yet light enough to shoot flat and accurate.

It's not that I have my heart set on an 80 pound draw, but rather I dont want to be limited to a max of 70...

[huntnnw]

the differences in 70 and 80lb draw is minimal and if anything just a pain in the ass to find a bow