Post by: akashasdaddy on October 13, 2011, 11:48:33 PM
Post by: FC on October 13, 2011, 11:57:31 PM
Post by: Hyde on October 13, 2011, 11:57:39 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 14, 2011, 12:01:14 AM
You might as well stay home if your rifle is just bore sighted..Find a way to verify the sighting of your rifle or just plan on not being able to hit anything.
:yeah:
I had Cabelas level and bore site my daughter's rifle and it was 3 feet to the left and 5 feet low at 50 yards. A bore sighted only rifle is as usless to hunt with as a broom stick. You have to shoot it to get it right, there is no way around it. Oh, and keep your wife away from your guns!! :chuckle:
Post by: jager on October 14, 2011, 12:07:33 AM
Although, I was curious and sighted down the bore of my rifle at a distance of about 3' and my crosshairs were high about a quarter the length of the vertical "hair"
I'd keep the wife far away from your rifle. :chuckle:
Post by: BowBender87 on October 14, 2011, 12:35:17 AM
Post by: Arteman on October 14, 2011, 01:04:06 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on October 14, 2011, 05:31:24 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 14, 2011, 05:36:11 AM
Yeah, that's perfectly normal that your scope looks high compared to your muzzle if your only looking feet away, it doesn't matter where your scope is sighted in at, it will always sit the same on the gun, when you sight in a gun you don't adjust the scope itself, just the crosshairs inside.
:yeah:
Your crosshairs will line up differently 2' away from the muzzle from where they would line up 200 yards away. When is the last time you fired the rifle at a target 100 or 200 yards away? Bullets don't fly laser line straight from the rifle to the target.
You just plain can not hunt with a rifle that is only bore sighted. The last bore sight job I had done was about 10" left and a foot and a half high at 100 yards.
Post by: ICEMAN on October 14, 2011, 06:19:17 AM
If your rifle has not had new scope work, and has simply sat since you last shot it, it has probably not changed. Taking it in for bore sighting now is probably not needed, and would require range time anyway...
Eeither way....you should not take your gun on opening morning and expect to hunt with it, without knowning how it is sighted.
Remember, if your scopehairs pointed directly at your bore (where the gun is pointing) at extreme close range...you would be shooting extremely high at further distances..... The whole point of the scope is to cross the line of sight with the line of bore at a given reasonable range...say 200 yards, not 200 inches.
Post by: jackmaster on October 14, 2011, 06:37:14 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 14, 2011, 06:49:50 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 14, 2011, 07:14:32 AM
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It sounds like his weapon was sighted in before, but he just noticed the differential between line of sight and line of bore this evening....Your scope is an inch and a half-2 inches higher than the muzzle as it sits on the rifle. It's not going "make up" that distance in a couple feet. If it were to look level 2' away from the muzzle, think of where it would line up 200 yards away. Assuming the rifle was sighted in properly earlier in the season then roll with it.
Post by: high country on October 14, 2011, 07:15:27 AM
BTW, once dialed in.......just put a piece of tape over the bore, do not clean it.
Post by: jackelope on October 14, 2011, 07:31:29 AM
I am feeling like a kid on Christmas eve, and I started going though my pack making sure I have everything. I bought some gloves today so I decided to run a few snap caps through to see how the trigger pull and cycling was. I noticed that when I was aiming that my muzzle seemed to be pointing a little lower than what my scope was saying I was aimed at. I had my firearm sighted in at 200 yards and now it seems that my scope is 2 inches Higher. so my first question is, is this normal to be high when aimed at something only a muzzle length away, when sighted in at 200 yards? If this is not normal (which I have a feeling it is not) If I have my gun bore sighted again how will my aim be at 100, 200, 300 yards? Will a bore sighted weapon be useable? Keep in mind I do not have the ability to run to the range tomorrow to sight in again, so Heading into the woods with a bore sighted weapon would be my best bet.I am asking because my wife just informed me that she has bumped my firearm a few times pretty hard.
I'm reading that this rifle is sighted in, zero'd at 200 yards. I'm reading that at a muzzle length away, the scope looks high. Of course it will look high a muzzle length away.
Am I off base here?
Post by: high country on October 14, 2011, 07:46:56 AM
Post by: halflife65 on October 14, 2011, 07:49:51 AM
Yeah, it should be high at a muzzle length away. Think about where your cross hairs are physically at in relation to the muzzle. The scope is a couple of inches higher.
Post by: jackelope on October 14, 2011, 07:58:19 AM
It all depends on how far off. your are right to about 20 yards. That is why I say, if you have to ask, go prove it to yourself.
I firmly agree with you, HC. If there's a big enough question, a guy needs to go shoot the rifle to be sure and confident...
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 14, 2011, 08:16:46 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 14, 2011, 08:41:09 AM
Thank you all for your very good advice. I am not sure if I worded the question correctly. I am going to try and get some shooting time in today. The problem is I do not have access to a range any more. I used to be a member of the Grays Harbor gun club but when I moved to Olympia from Aberdeen I decided not to renew my membership. I dont want to go to the woods the day before the season and scare them deer away. I WILL NOT go to the woods without my weapon being sighted in. I don't care so much about the missing the deer but I couldn't live with my self if I hurt someone. What do you guys think about a bore laser? If i put a laser in my bore then walked out 100yards, think I could sight in my weapon without letting off a shot? I think it is obvious I am a newbie to the sport but I am trying to be ethical.
You need to shoot the rifle.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 14, 2011, 08:50:54 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 14, 2011, 08:51:54 AM
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Post by: deerslyr on October 14, 2011, 10:10:10 AM
Post by: high country on October 14, 2011, 10:25:52 AM
Good luck, you will only burn a few minutes getting zero confirmed, and you will shoot better for it.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on October 14, 2011, 10:26:35 AM
Post by: Green Lantern on October 14, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
Post by: huntergreg on October 14, 2011, 11:49:56 AM
Post by: Arteman on October 14, 2011, 11:56:55 AM
Everybody better take tomorrow off to shoot there guns, because there shooting two inches low at three feet. lol I don't know of any set up that the center of the scope isn't around two inches higher than the riffle bore.Let's all make a deal, we will all take opening day off to double check, or triple check are guns, I promise to hold up to my end! :chuckle: ;)
Post by: jackmaster on October 14, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Post by: remington300mag on October 14, 2011, 12:07:40 PM
I went out to site in my fathers gun yesterday to make sure it was on. He hasn't shot it for 4 years. (bow hunted the last 4 years) I shot 10 shells through it and it was way off. I found out there was a screw loose on the ring. You never know what can go wrong with a sight. My father was going to just use the gun the way is was because it shot fine 4 years ago. I Tighten it up and re sighted it in. It took 40 shells to get it zeroed in! If i was you I would go shoot it to verify what its doing. Better than blowing off a deers leg and not finding it! :twocents:If it took 40 shots to zero that rifle, something else is wrong with it! Or the shooter! Hopefully you took a longggg time to shoot that many shots and let the barrel cool down in between, otherwise you could have seriously damaged the barrel. :twocents:
Post by: Jingles on October 14, 2011, 06:31:31 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 14, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
Post by: FC on October 14, 2011, 06:46:52 PM
Call me old fashioned but what the hell is everyone waiting until the day before season opens to check out their rifles and zero. This all should of been done months ago with weekly trips to the range to just practice....
Oh man I just put my new scope on tonight!!!! Are you telling me you don't think it will be alright? The guy at the store told me it would shoot 1/4 MOA!!!
/sarcasm
Post by: True Sportsman on October 14, 2011, 06:48:22 PM
If you really want a treat go to Cabelas or any major sporting goods store a few days before any season and check out all the "hunters" buying new bows or rifles for their hunt in a day or two. I have actually heard guys leaving the store with a bore sighted rifle saying that "they sighted it in at the counter, we are good to go".
You caught a glimse of the "average hunter". I've ran into this too, and it blows me away.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 14, 2011, 07:07:55 PM
Call me old fashioned but what the hell is everyone waiting until the day before season opens to check out their rifles and zero. This all should of been done months ago with weekly trips to the range to just practice....I wait until around a week before to do my sight in. (Last Friday this year.) I take out every mounting screw, add new loc-tite, and re-torque so I know it's good and solid. Then make up a batch of season specific ammo--high hunt vs modern vs elk.
Get lots of practice before season with all the other guns--all year long actually.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 14, 2011, 07:24:18 PM
Post by: LincolnTWilliams on October 14, 2011, 08:34:33 PM
What gets me is all these guys that mount your scope like it was a marathon race and say, " you'll be on paper ". A lot of them just got hired and don't know squatolla from shineolla.
For sure!! I was browsing the rifles at local sporting goods establishment today, the fella behind the counter couldn't tell the difference between a model 700 and a model 70... I wouldn't want that guy anywhere near my rifle with a screwdriver!
So what did you decide to do? Take the morning off?
Post by: fishingnut71 on October 14, 2011, 09:48:37 PM
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 14, 2011, 10:40:11 PM
Post by: huntergreg on October 14, 2011, 11:47:49 PM
I went out to site in my fathers gun yesterday to make sure it was on. He hasn't shot it for 4 years. (bow hunted the last 4 years) I shot 10 shells through it and it was way off. I found out there was a screw loose on the ring. You never know what can go wrong with a sight. My father was going to just use the gun the way is was because it shot fine 4 years ago. I Tighten it up and re sighted it in. It took 40 shells to get it zeroed in! If i was you I would go shoot it to verify what its doing. Better than blowing off a deers leg and not finding it! :twocents:If it took 40 shots to zero that rifle, something else is wrong with it! Or the shooter! Hopefully you took a longggg time to shoot that many shots and let the barrel cool down in between, otherwise you could have seriously damaged the barrel. :twocents:
yes It took half the day to sight it in. I let it cool between every 3 shots. I didnt realize the scope was loos until I shot half the rounds through it. I thought it was me doing something wrong. I havent shot a rifle for over 6 years. But once I found the sight was loose I got it shooting good. I also was shooting out to 350 yards. Most of them were just shooting after I got it dialed in. :chuckle:
Post by: high country on October 16, 2011, 10:45:33 AM
Well I would NEVER head out with my gun not sighted. Thanks again for all the input. I am new but not stupid or unethical. I did get to the range and all this was for nothing. I did not need to make any adjustments I was on. I actually shot better today than any other day at the range. I am good to go for the morning. I really do appreciate everybody's help and concern. It is nice that so many are willing to help. I do listen to people who know more than me. I respect knowledge and take it to hart. But no worries I am sighted in and excited for the morning.
You will shoot your best now that you trust your gear.....hope to see a good one hanging soon.
Post by: highmuley on October 16, 2011, 11:06:08 AM
Post by: scudmaster on October 16, 2011, 11:50:51 AM