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Title: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 05:17:54 AM
 The last couple of years hunting the property that I do I have heard  a couple of reports of wolf sightings in the area. But this year is a different story. I talked to a lady that lives in her grandparents homestead north of the property I hunt. She has known My family 45-50 years when my grandparents had there wheat ranch. She stopped by our camp to say hello and we got into a chat about the scattered wolf sightings in the area. With a straight, cold and serious face, she told me that earlier this year, late July I think, she had 3 wolves in her yard. Just last Thursday evening, a wolf was spotted behind the land owners house where I hunt. To top it all off, I talked the Gamie and he admitted that he has heard wolves howling in the evening. For more evidence, lockidog was over with us camping but hunted  some DNR land not far away and has a couple of pics of tracks that I would guess is about 5" across. Maybe when he gets back and reads this thread, he might post the pic of the paw print. This was my greatest fear that this might happen. I have yet to see one, but I was on gaurd the entire trip. Over the years I know that there are hundreds of deer out there. I saw a few legal bucks but nothing like the quality I have seen in the past. The Gamie told me that all the quality deer have gone nocturnal. He told me that in the middle of August, at about 11:00 at night, he was checking the fields for deer and counted 8 legal bucks in one field and he said that two of them would have gone Boone and Crocket. During the day, they are no where to be found. The Gamie is an avid hunter. This bothers him a lot. The only thing he told about $$$ is that, IF it is brought to his attention, he HAS to do his job. He will not give up his 24 year carrier for somebody with a big mouth. But he does not want them there either. WDFW better get a clue that WE now have a problem in this state.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 06:17:24 AM
They've been there for AT LEAST 3 years.   I figured they were being replenished by the San Poil pack.  I wondered if they'd swim that river or not.  That I have never witnessed nor have any experience with.  I know elk do and have.  :dunno:

I have a personal friend that knows what the hell he is talking about and he saw one a couple years ago.   I've heard several other reports as well. 
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 06:56:31 AM
Yes I know that Elk have swam the river. The Coulville Indians planted a bunch of Elk on there land several years ago and shot up the herd so much that they swam the river to get away! I would think a wolf could to, but only in search of food if there was no food on there side of the river. All the locals in northern Lincoln county want to keep the Elk thing quite. The wolf thing on MY hunting ground now, makes me very angry. I am going to go back over there between X-mas and New Years for some yotes. Maybe I can see a wolf then in the snow and take some pics and post them.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: Grizzly95 on October 19, 2011, 07:14:49 AM
I know it's beating a dead horse, but my neighbor just got back from his Idaho elk hunt with nothing. First time in 25 years of hunting the same area that they saw zero elk, not one in a week!
 
We are in the same sinking ship here in Wa! There is a reason they were hunted out of the northwest years ago, now it's too late. 
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2011, 07:17:23 AM
I've heard about wolves about 4 years ago from a cattle rancher I know out of Creston.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: Todd_ID on October 19, 2011, 07:22:57 AM
We've seen wolves swimming across Dworshak Reservoir in Idaho a few times near our cabins where the lake is maybe 600-700 yards wide.  There are deer and elk on both sides of the lake, so I'm not sure that was a motivating factor.  Maybe they were just looking for easier animals?  Either way, I wouldn't second guess their ability to swim a river.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 07:32:57 AM
I've heard about wolves about 4 years ago from a cattle rancher I know out of Creston.




I used to hunt the "Swanson Lake" area south of Creston years ago. Is the Rancher you know north of Creston? I would hate to think that they are migrating south into the sagebrush.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2011, 07:34:09 AM
I've heard about wolves about 4 years ago from a cattle rancher I know out of Creston.




I used to hunt the "Swanson Lake" area south of Creston years ago. Is the Rancher you know north of Creston? I would hate to think that they are migrating south into the sagebrush.

She butts up against the northside of Swanson Lake.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 07:37:59 AM
I've heard about wolves about 4 years ago from a cattle rancher I know out of Creston.




I used to hunt the "Swanson Lake" area south of Creston years ago. Is the Rancher you know north of Creston? I would hate to think that they are migrating south into the sagebrush.

She butts up against the northside of Swanson Lake.






 :yike:  WOW!   :yike:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 07:39:46 AM
On a side note;   The Gamie also told me that opening day was the single slowest openers he has ever seen in Lincoln county. Maybe this is the reason why?
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: thatdamguy on October 19, 2011, 07:40:57 AM
Sorry to hear about your newly discovered wolf problem guys that is really unfortunate. By chance have any of you guys ever heard about some a**hole raising wolf/dog hybrids from Davenport and releasing them into the wild as breeding pairs? I have herd about it from a few people from there and I just googled it and found this article about one being hit by a car on HWY 25 in 2008  http://www.petandwildlife.com/wolf-conservation/wolves-genetic-test.html (http://www.petandwildlife.com/wolf-conservation/wolves-genetic-test.html)
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 07:53:02 AM
Sorry to hear about your newly discovered wolf problem guys that is really unfortunate. By chance have any of you guys ever heard about some a**hole raising wolf/dog hybrids from Davenport and releasing them into the wild as breeding pairs? I have herd about it from a few people from there and I just googled it and found this article about one being hit by a car on HWY 25 in 2008  http://www.petandwildlife.com/wolf-conservation/wolves-genetic-test.html (http://www.petandwildlife.com/wolf-conservation/wolves-genetic-test.html)






Yes. A couple of years ago they found a dead one on the highway north of Davenport going to Hunters. The Gamie talked about that also. It was picked up and was by DNA found it to be a highbrid. I did not know that somebody was raising them and releasing them. What is the motivation in that? Why? What would be the purpose of doing that intentionally? Would a highbrid raised from a pup by humans have the ability to kill and hunt in packs?
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: thatdamguy on October 19, 2011, 08:04:15 AM




Yes. A couple of years ago they found a dead one on the highway north of Davenport going to Hunters. The Gamie talked about that also. It was picked up and was by DNA found it to be a highbrid. I did not know that somebody was raising them and releasing them. What is the motivation in that? Why? What would be the purpose of doing that intentionally? Would a highbrid raised from a pup by humans have the ability to kill and hunt in packs?
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From what I gathered it was some nut job who wanted to see wolf re-populate the state and had way to much time on his hands. Unfortunately yes I do think they would figure out how to hunt and kill in packs because I have seen pack of wild muts hunting and even taking deer in Stevens county
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 08:08:54 AM




Yes. A couple of years ago they found a dead one on the highway north of Davenport going to Hunters. The Gamie talked about that also. It was picked up and was by DNA found it to be a highbrid. I did not know that somebody was raising them and releasing them. What is the motivation in that? Why? What would be the purpose of doing that intentionally? Would a highbrid raised from a pup by humans have the ability to kill and hunt in packs?


From what I gathered it was some nut job who wanted to see wolf re-populate the state and had way to much time on his hands. Unfortunately yes I do think they would figure out how to hunt and kill in packs because I have seen pack of wild muts hunting and even taking deer in Stevens county
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Is there any law about releasing ANY dog into the wild? If so, did he ever get busted?
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: quadrafire on October 19, 2011, 08:13:11 AM
What is the motivation in that? Why? What would be the purpose of doing that intentionally? Would a highbrid raised from a pup by humans have the ability to kill and hunt in packs?
Some folks are just plain ignorant. Most likely a pet that was allowed to run loose????
Any dog that runs with a pack seems to change its mentality and can become a killing machine. Lots of packs probably contain a few animals that are pets during the day and run with the feral animals at night.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: thatdamguy on October 19, 2011, 08:13:41 AM
I am not sure about that grainfedmuley but if I will ask around and see if I can find any more info on this. I herd about this 2 or 3 years ago so I have no idea if the guy is still doing this :dunno:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: quadrafire on October 19, 2011, 08:14:29 AM
On a side note;   The Gamie also told me that opening day was the single slowest openers he has ever seen in Lincoln county. Maybe this is the reason why?
The Game biologist at the stevens county check station said the same thing. Maybe it was more the weather than anything else??
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: bearpaw on October 19, 2011, 08:21:03 AM




Yes. A couple of years ago they found a dead one on the highway north of Davenport going to Hunters. The Gamie talked about that also. It was picked up and was by DNA found it to be a highbrid. I did not know that somebody was raising them and releasing them. What is the motivation in that? Why? What would be the purpose of doing that intentionally? Would a highbrid raised from a pup by humans have the ability to kill and hunt in packs?


From what I gathered it was some nut job who wanted to see wolf re-populate the state and had way to much time on his hands. Unfortunately yes I do think they would figure out how to hunt and kill in packs because I have seen pack of wild muts hunting and even taking deer in Stevens county








Is there any law about releasing ANY dog into the wild? If so, did he ever get busted?
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Another loser did the same thing on the Orin/Rice summit in GMU 121 north of where you are talking, he turned all his hybrids loose. Neighbors have consistently seen them and I hear rumors they are being reduced in numbers as time goes by. On the other hand there are wild wolves in the unit too, a (dna proven) wild wolf was hit near Nine Mile on the Hwy. If they are hitting wolves on the hwy, you know there is many more in the bush, anybody with any commeon sense can figure that out. :twocents:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: bearpaw on October 19, 2011, 08:27:03 AM
They've been there for AT LEAST 3 years.   I figured they were being replenished by the San Poil pack.  I wondered if they'd swim that river or not.  That I have never witnessed nor have any experience with.  I know elk do and have.  :dunno:

I have a personal friend that knows what the hell he is talking about and he saw one a couple years ago.   I've heard several other reports as well.

When I was younger with more time I spent at least 4 to 5 evenings each week all summer fishing Lake Roosevelt. We have motored alongside whitetail, mule deer, elk, moose, and bear swimming the river (lake). I see no reason wolves would not swim it. In Idaho people have seen wolves using bridges to cross rivers too.  :yike:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 08:35:06 AM
On a side note;   The Gamie also told me that opening day was the single slowest openers he has ever seen in Lincoln county. Maybe this is the reason why?
The Game biologist at the stevens county check station said the same thing. Maybe it was more the weather than anything else??








Weather was not a problem where we were. It Sprinkled a little on Saturday, but the rest of the time it was sunny and 60 degrees in the afternoon.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 08:38:17 AM
 



 


 


 a (dna proven) wild wolf was hit near Nine Mile on the Hwy. 
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Are you talking about Nine Mile down river from Spokane?
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: quadrafire on October 19, 2011, 08:41:08 AM
On a side note;   The Gamie also told me that opening day was the single slowest openers he has ever seen in Lincoln county. Maybe this is the reason why?
The Game biologist at the stevens county check station said the same thing. Maybe it was more the weather than anything else??








Weather was not a problem where we were. It Sprinkled a little on Saturday, but the rest of the time it was sunny and 60 degrees in the afternoon.

Thats what I meant, TOO nice. Almost full moon. Likely feeding at night etc.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: bearpaw on October 19, 2011, 09:06:44 AM

 a (dna proven) wild wolf was hit near Nine Mile on the Hwy. 


Are you talking about Nine Mile down river from Spokane?
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Yes, I'm 90% certain the WDFW recorded that wolf as a wild wolf that was hit. I'm taking the lazy route and not providing the link, but if you look around you will find it.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: quadrafire on October 19, 2011, 09:07:57 AM

 a (dna proven) wild wolf was hit near Nine Mile on the Hwy. 


Are you talking about Nine Mile down river from Spokane?

Yes, I'm 90% certain the WDFW recorded that wolf as a wild wolf that was hit. I'm taking the lazy route and not providing the link, but if you look around you will find it.
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Near TumTum if I remember right
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: bearpaw on October 19, 2011, 09:10:36 AM

 a (dna proven) wild wolf was hit near Nine Mile on the Hwy. 


Are you talking about Nine Mile down river from Spokane?

Yes, I'm 90% certain the WDFW recorded that wolf as a wild wolf that was hit. I'm taking the lazy route and not providing the link, but if you look around you will find it.

Near TumTum if I remember right
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that's the one...
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 09:12:52 AM
I assumed that about the river, but had nothing to substantiate it.  I make a habit of not talking with heresay, but with fact.   I am kind of chuckling to myself as many of you are coming to the realization that I wasn't making all this crap up.  In some ways kinda sad you guys are seeing more and more evidence of them where I have already found them.  There are alot more of them out there than the "counts" will indicate, I promise. 

As the populations start butting into each others pack domains, its going to get interesting fast.  Pretty soon the only enemy these wolves will have will be each other and rednecks.

Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: thatdamguy on October 19, 2011, 09:27:58 AM
I assumed that about the river, but had nothing to substantiate it.  I make a habit of not talking with heresay, but with fact.   I am kind of chuckling to myself as many of you are coming to the realization that I wasn't making all this crap up.  In some ways kinda sad you guys are seeing more and more evidence of them where I have already found them.  There are alot more of them out there than the "counts" will indicate, I promise. 

As the populations start butting into each others pack domains, its going to get interesting fast.  Pretty soon the only enemy these wolves will have will be each other and rednecks.

I dont think anyone hear thought you were making any of that up. And I say go red necks  :tup:
Side note : I have friends that have a farm on the hunters side of Springdale/Hunters pass and they have been hearing and seeing them  :bash:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 09:32:15 AM
There have been several spotted regularly on the Inchelium side just south of the Ferry.   The native I talked to planned on killing them on site eventhough it is spelled out directly in his rules NOT TO.  Almost every logger I know over there has at least one gun in the truck and he figured they'd get nailed.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: thatdamguy on October 19, 2011, 09:37:28 AM
There have been several spotted regularly on the Inchelium side just south of the Ferry.   The native I talked to planned on killing them on site eventhough it is spelled out directly in his rules NOT TO.  Almost every logger I know over there has at least one gun in the truck and he figured they'd get nailed.

I have heard very similar things from peeps on the Spokane Rez aslo and most cattle ranchers I know are going to shoot them in the guts and let nature do the rest :twocents:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 09:37:45 AM
On a side note;   The Gamie also told me that opening day was the single slowest openers he has ever seen in Lincoln county. Maybe this is the reason why?
The Game biologist at the stevens county check station said the same thing. Maybe it was more the weather than anything else??








Weather was not a problem where we were. It Sprinkled a little on Saturday, but the rest of the time it was sunny and 60 degrees in the afternoon.

Thats what I meant, TOO nice. Almost full moon. Likely feeding at night etc.









Yeah, we had a full moon also. I am sure they fed all night. BUT, in the years past, that has happen numerous times and I still could find quality deer during the day. Not this year. Let me tell you that under a full moon on an open wheat field is almost like walking through Husky stadium. You do not need a flash kight. So, in my opinion, the moon was not the problem.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 09:39:26 AM

 a (dna proven) wild wolf was hit near Nine Mile on the Hwy. 


Are you talking about Nine Mile down river from Spokane?

Yes, I'm 90% certain the WDFW recorded that wolf as a wild wolf that was hit. I'm taking the lazy route and not providing the link, but if you look around you will find it.

Near TumTum if I remember right
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The Gamie mentioned the Tum Tum deal also.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 09:50:01 AM

  And I say go red necks  :tup:
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Maybe we should educate the rednecks about sound supressors for there rifles. They have always been legal to own and posses in Washington, but you could not take them to the range and shoot. It was a gross misdimeanor under state law. "BUT", that has changed. You can own and posses AND use them now under a sound ordinace that was passed this last summer. If nobody hears anything, how do you know what happened?   :dunno:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: thatdamguy on October 19, 2011, 09:51:11 AM

  And I say go red necks  :tup:
 








Maybe we should educate the rednecks about sound supressors for there rifles. They have always been legal to own and posses in Washington, but you could not take them to the range and shoot. It was a gross misdimeanor under state law. "BUT", that has changed. You can own and posses AND use them now under a sound ordinace that was passed this last summer. If nobody hears anything, how do you know what happened?   :dunno:
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 :yeah:  :tup:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: thatdamguy on October 19, 2011, 10:11:08 AM
http://www.krem.com/your-news/132147253.html (http://www.krem.com/your-news/132147253.html)

posted to KREM 2 this morning crappy video but you can hear a faint wolf calling back to him
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 19, 2011, 10:30:55 AM
http://www.krem.com/your-news/132147253.html (http://www.krem.com/your-news/132147253.html)

posted to KREM 2 this morning crappy video but you can hear a faint wolf calling back to him




That gives me the chills.....................................
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 10:35:47 AM
You should have a pack of them hunting you and your sidearm is sitting in the seat of your truck.  Brilliant

Instead of being nicknamed Bone, you guys could call me Bones.....
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: buckfvr on October 19, 2011, 10:55:25 AM
If the State is so intent on having wolves, we should insist they get them in King, Pierce, Snohomish, and Thurston counties.......laws would change over night.   
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: thatdamguy on October 19, 2011, 11:05:01 AM
If the State is so intent on having wolves, we should insist they get them in King, Pierce, Snohomish, and Thurston counties.......laws would change over night.

Funny you should say that, one of the Stevens county commissionaires who is also a member of the cattlemans assoc was at a wolf meeting and told members of the committee for wolfs in the state, lets let wolfs out in  King, Pierce, and Snohomish county. The committee said thats not traditional wolf habitat, and his reply was lets let the wolfs decide :tup:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2011, 01:04:41 PM
If the State is so intent on having wolves, we should insist they get them in King, Pierce, Snohomish, and Thurston counties.......laws would change over night.

Isn't that the truth......as we all know, those counties run the state in game law changes even though they don't have a quarter of the problems.  :twocents:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: DeKuma on October 19, 2011, 01:26:37 PM
When I lived in Rice last year, we saw them right off Orin-Rice Raod and Lindsey Road.  Two adults two pups.  Could have been hybrid, but looked all wolf to me.

(off topic)
My dad has a burmese mountian dog that used to be one of the released dogs at the summit of Orin-Rice.  Great dog once he got some attention and training.  He found him wandering the woods with a bunch of other dogs and so he called out to the groupl and this one came to him and jumped in his truck.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 19, 2011, 07:40:32 PM
There have been several spotted regularly on the Inchelium side just south of the Ferry.   The native I talked to planned on killing them on site eventhough it is spelled out directly in his rules NOT TO.  Almost every logger I know over there has at least one gun in the truck and he figured they'd get nailed.

We used to have a pack of four here about ten years ago, they lasted a week and was never heard from again.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: inchtowntracking on October 19, 2011, 07:42:05 PM
Yes I know that Elk have swam the river. The Coulville Indians planted a bunch of Elk on there land several years ago and shot up the herd so much that they swam the river to get away! I would think a wolf could to, but only in search of food if there was no food on there side of the river. All the locals in northern Lincoln county want to keep the Elk thing quite. The wolf thing on MY hunting ground now, makes me very angry. I am going to go back over there between X-mas and New Years for some yotes. Maybe I can see a wolf then in the snow and take some pics and post them.

HAHAHAHA your funny.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 07:52:58 PM
Thats cool Dekuma. 
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: Special T on October 19, 2011, 09:38:19 PM
Funny how dumped dogs will just jump into a truck.. I found a dumped dog out my  Oso one time.. just got out and left my door open and the damn thing hopped into the truck and wouldn't get out... Found a great home for it... Named it Puker!  :puke: couldn't ride in the truck on a full stomach...
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: high country on October 20, 2011, 05:47:49 AM
I saw wolf sign opening day myself near of wilbur/creston. I had all but dismissed it as a pyraneese or such......but why? We were lucky enough to not experience any lowering deer numbers.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: lokidog on October 21, 2011, 11:39:50 AM
Sorry for the delay on the pic, just caught up to this.  Here is a photo, the shell is a 30-06.  This mud was dry and hard.

Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: calib on October 25, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
i had seen 4 of them the winter of the big snow storm   must have been 3 winters ago just south of edwal/ harrington. no mistake it was wolfs seen them once at 400 yards then at 100 yards ran like clydesdales
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: meat_in_the_pot3 on October 26, 2011, 12:45:51 AM
Yes I know that Elk have swam the river. The Coulville Indians planted a bunch of Elk on there land several years ago and shot up the herd so much that they swam the river to get away! I would think a wolf could to, but only in search of food if there was no food on there side of the river. All the locals in northern Lincoln county want to keep the Elk thing quite. The wolf thing on MY hunting ground now, makes me very angry. I am going to go back over there between X-mas and New Years for some yotes. Maybe I can see a wolf then in the snow and take some pics and post them.
I think you mean the Colville Indians, not the Coulville Indians for starters. Secondly I think you should get your facts straight before you go and say something as ignorant as they planted a bunch of elk on there land (incorrect use of their)  several years ago and shot up the herd so much that they swam the river to get away. If you knew anything about what you were talking about you would realize that directly across the river from Lincoln County is the Hellsgate Wildlife Reserve, which is a limited draw area for Colville Tribal Members, that is only open for archery season elk once a year, and furthermore is only open for deer when it is decided the population could use a hunt strictly for conservation purposes. Not only do these elk on the reserve not get pressured, but the reservation as a whole has some of the highest elk numbers in the state. The elk did not swim the river because of tribal members shooting up the herd and pushing them into the water, but rather they swam the river because elk migrate from one area to another quite frequently. Deer, Moose, Bighorn Sheep, and Bears all swim the river back and forth from Lincoln County to the Reservation and vice versa, it also happens further down the river back and forth into Douglas County. I know this to be fact because not only was I born in Coulee, but i lived my entire life on the Colville Indian Reservation up until the time i left for college, and I have witnessed this happening my entire life. I have spent the last 5 years working for the National Park Service, with a large portion of my time dedicated to being on the river and you would be amazed at the amount of animals that swim across on a regular basis. As far as the elk go on the Colville Indian Reservation, it has been one of the greatest success stories in the pacific northwest, so much so that the US Fish and Wildlife gave a grant to the Colville Tribe for its role in conservation, which they in turn are putting into the reintroduction and population recovery of Bighorn Sheep. This last winter nearly 3 dozen sheep were transplanted into this same reserve, which just so happens to also be directly across from the Lincoln herd of Bighorns that the state manages. Sure enough by spring there were bighorns swimming back and forth quite regularly. Big game animals migrate, and it has nothing to do with the  tribal members across the river. If you got away from the west side of the state for longer than just opening weekend of rifle season maybe you would fully understand the habits of these animals, and also realize that the Colville Indian Reservation has some of the best hunting this state has to offer, with large populations of trophy animals, and i can tell you one thing, that does not come from poor wildlife management practices.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: boneaddict on October 26, 2011, 05:28:26 AM
Clemans sheep by the way.  You might recall the big capture efforts or traps there last year or year before.  Its good country for them.   

No one should be critical of how the Colvilles manage wildlife.  They do a really good job.  I never appreciated their help with the harvest in the north half, but thats a whole different topic.  They also participate in heavy predator management.  Something this state should emulate.  Too many screwed up liberal tree hugging whites for that to happen though.

Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: high country on October 26, 2011, 05:50:11 AM
Bone, you took my thoughts word for word.

Welcome aboard meat in the pot. Good post, it sounds like you may be one of the 2%ers at the nps who are not a total fool.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: Special T on October 26, 2011, 09:52:16 AM
MITP3, Since you seem to have good information regarding the ability of the Coulville Tribe maybe you can help me understand something.  What kinds of predator management  are you allowed on the Rez? What kind are allowed in the Ceded hunting area? What tools that that tribe uses that others (tribes) could emulate?  I know that the Quinault use Bear baiting and have awesome bear hunting. It is also my understanding that running hounds is OK? I think that because tribes are less inhibited, by bunny hugging do gooders, they will likely be the driving force to help our wildlife state wide. I have also heard rumor that the Coulville are thinking about petitioning the Feds to manage wolves. What insight can you lend us?
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: meat_in_the_pot3 on October 26, 2011, 11:19:30 AM
MITP3, Since you seem to have good information regarding the ability of the Coulville Tribe maybe you can help me understand something.  What kinds of predator management  are you allowed on the Rez? What kind are allowed in the Ceded hunting area? What tools that that tribe uses that others (tribes) could emulate?  I know that the Quinault use Bear baiting and have awesome bear hunting. It is also my understanding that running hounds is OK? I think that because tribes are less inhibited, by bunny hugging do gooders, they will likely be the driving force to help our wildlife state wide. I have also heard rumor that the Coulville are thinking about petitioning the Feds to manage wolves. What insight can you lend us?
Predator hunting has very broad seasons on the reservation,but unlike the state you cannot hunt them with an artificial light.  Cougars can be hunted year round, except in the reserve which is only open Dec 1st through March 31st, and once again a special tag is required to be in both the Hellsgate Reserve as well as the Omak Ridge Reserve.  Same goes for bobcats. Coyotes just like WA state are open year round, there is no limit on either of these 3 animals. Bears are also open year round on the reservation except for in the reserves where once again a special tag is required and the season is only open April 1-July 15. Hounds can be run for all predators on the reservation, by tribal members, as long as the dogs are registered with Colville Tribal Fish and Wildlife. As far as ceded land goes bobcats can be hunted Nov 1st-March 15th, but dogs are not allowed to be used, cougars can be hunted Aug 1st-Oct 31 and once again dogs can not be used. There is a hound season on the north half which is Nov 1st- Mar 15th and tags are required, and you are only allowed one a year. Bear baiting is not allowed on either the reservation or the ceded land, and also the Colvilles do not allow non members to hunt, I am pretty sure the Quinalts have a bear season over there where you can pay for a guided hunt or whatever but over here there is no option for that. These do seem like pretty broad seasons and possesion limits as far as Cougars and Bobcats go, but I can tell you the numbers on both these animals are still extremely high, there is not that many members as a whole that run dogs, it is very time consuming and takes a lot more effort than people think, and even with broad seasons, how often do you really just see a cougar in the woods when you are out and about haha pretty rare in most cases. The tribe is trying to set up some sort of Wolf management plan for 2012 pending on funding, but there is a plan of action that is in the works.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 26, 2011, 11:24:05 AM
Yes I know that Elk have swam the river. The Coulville Indians planted a bunch of Elk on there land several years ago and shot up the herd so much that they swam the river to get away! I would think a wolf could to, but only in search of food if there was no food on there side of the river. All the locals in northern Lincoln county want to keep the Elk thing quite. The wolf thing on MY hunting ground now, makes me very angry. I am going to go back over there between X-mas and New Years for some yotes. Maybe I can see a wolf then in the snow and take some pics and post them.
I think you mean the Colville Indians, not the Coulville Indians for starters. Secondly I think you should get your facts straight before you go and say something as ignorant as they planted a bunch of elk on there land (incorrect use of their)  several years ago and shot up the herd so much that they swam the river to get away. If you knew anything about what you were talking about you would realize that directly across the river from Lincoln County is the Hellsgate Wildlife Reserve, which is a limited draw area for Colville Tribal Members, that is only open for archery season elk once a year, and furthermore is only open for deer when it is decided the population could use a hunt strictly for conservation purposes. Not only do these elk on the reserve not get pressured, but the reservation as a whole has some of the highest elk numbers in the state. The elk did not swim the river because of tribal members shooting up the herd and pushing them into the water, but rather they swam the river because elk migrate from one area to another quite frequently. Deer, Moose, Bighorn Sheep, and Bears all swim the river back and forth from Lincoln County to the Reservation and vice versa, it also happens further down the river back and forth into Douglas County. I know this to be fact because not only was I born in Coulee, but i lived my entire life on the Colville Indian Reservation up until the time i left for college, and I have witnessed this happening my entire life. I have spent the last 5 years working for the National Park Service, with a large portion of my time dedicated to being on the river and you would be amazed at the amount of animals that swim across on a regular basis. As far as the elk go on the Colville Indian Reservation, it has been one of the greatest success stories in the pacific northwest, so much so that the US Fish and Wildlife gave a grant to the Colville Tribe for its role in conservation, which they in turn are putting into the reintroduction and population recovery of Bighorn Sheep. This last winter nearly 3 dozen sheep were transplanted into this same reserve, which just so happens to also be directly across from the Lincoln herd of Bighorns that the state manages. Sure enough by spring there were bighorns swimming back and forth quite regularly. Big game animals migrate, and it has nothing to do with the  tribal members across the river. If you got away from the west side of the state for longer than just opening weekend of rifle season maybe you would fully understand the habits of these animals, and also realize that the Colville Indian Reservation has some of the best hunting this state has to offer, with large populations of trophy animals, and i can tell you one thing, that does not come from poor wildlife management practices.








No I do not have all the facts. This information was told to me by some of the locals that live in Northern Lincoln county that I hunt. It was by word of mouth. I just passed on what i was told.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: TommyH on November 04, 2011, 11:40:37 AM
http://www.krem.com/your-news/132147253.html (http://www.krem.com/your-news/132147253.html)

posted to KREM 2 this morning crappy video but you can hear a faint wolf calling back to him
hello !! sorry for the crappy video!! phone dosent take video to good, that was in gmu 121 hunters pass area, it howled alot befor i ever thought to get the phone out, saw it at 30 yards was grey/black and running twards me! the buck knife in my hand gave me no comfort at all!! :yike: :yike:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: Special T on November 04, 2011, 12:27:19 PM
MITP3 I'm glad the tribe is making thier intentions known. Hopefully the tribe and sportsmen can work together in the N area where we both hunt.  :twocents:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 04, 2011, 01:10:44 PM
Sorry for the delay on the pic, just caught up to this.  Here is a photo, the shell is a 30-06.  This mud was dry and hard.
lokidog ...where did you take that picture ? I think it is more like a cougar track ...see how round shaped it is ....and no toe nails are showing in the dirt which most likely would be if it was a wolf  :twocents:
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: mulehunter on November 04, 2011, 01:30:51 PM
 :yeah:  Its cougar trax.  On right three button look like arrow flat.  I believe its cougar trax.

Mulehunter.
Title: Re: O M G! Wolves in northern Lincoln County
Post by: lokidog on November 04, 2011, 11:55:32 PM
There are toenail marks there, look closer.  All of the tracks had nails showing.  I sent some others to Bearpaw.  I can post more but I'm going to bed.  I am in Missoula heading north in the morning.
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