Post by: The100Road on October 22, 2011, 08:59:57 PM
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Post by: oldcamper on October 22, 2011, 09:03:04 PM
Post by: The100Road on October 22, 2011, 09:03:33 PM
The picture didn't work could you try reloading it.
think i got it this time. :tup:
Post by: marlin on October 22, 2011, 09:04:59 PM
Post by: marlin on October 22, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 22, 2011, 09:44:27 PM
Post by: D360 on October 22, 2011, 09:50:26 PM
Just let them be, if it's to weed the bad apples out then great :tup::yeah: I would still get a picture of me with it :chuckle:
Post by: madmack76 on October 22, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
Post by: marlin on October 22, 2011, 09:53:03 PM
Post by: The100Road on October 22, 2011, 09:54:38 PM
Post by: sebek556 on October 22, 2011, 09:55:03 PM
Post by: The100Road on October 22, 2011, 09:57:25 PM
walking up and blasting no... but asking if I could pose for a pic with it yes :chuckle: :chuckle:
We did that. :chuckle: Warden was in no kind of joking mood.
Post by: marty on October 22, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: The100Road on October 22, 2011, 10:16:32 PM
Its hunting season and I had to work on a weekend I wouldn't be in a joking mood either! :chuckle:
HAHA. true true.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on October 22, 2011, 10:23:34 PM
Post by: FishEKat on October 22, 2011, 10:28:59 PM
Post by: sebek556 on October 22, 2011, 10:37:36 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 22, 2011, 10:46:59 PM
REF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment)
"In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability. *****However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime."
Post by: PolarBear on October 22, 2011, 10:59:17 PM
Post by: high country on October 23, 2011, 06:43:23 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2011, 06:48:30 AM
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Sweeeeet! We need more of those things out there!
A-MEN! Especially the day before the season starts and tomorrow when its over. I wonder how many critters get blasted the night before the season starts.
Post by: kramman on October 23, 2011, 07:19:10 AM
I could understand if robo was a 2pt muley or was on private property.Just seems to me like hasselin the people who are actually trying to stay within the law.IMO
Post by: high country on October 23, 2011, 07:42:14 AM
Post by: Seatown5 on October 23, 2011, 08:07:35 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
I loved coming around the corner one time and was looking down the barrel of a 30-06 of someone trying to shoot a grouse that was in the road. I was NOT impressed.
I remember sitting on the hill and watching this truck pull up, 5 guys bail out and shoot a buck that was in my dads neighbors corral WITH MULES IN IT. They shot the deer fished it through the fence and slid it into the back of their truck and drove off. CRAZY what people do just to notch a tag.
Post by: GEARHEAD on October 23, 2011, 10:11:16 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 23, 2011, 10:18:39 AM
Post by: GEARHEAD on October 23, 2011, 10:25:46 AM
Post by: dreamunelk on October 23, 2011, 10:37:09 AM
As I have said before, the guys that are so pissed off about decoys and call it entrapment are usually the guys that have something to hide or the type to get popped by it. :twocents:
Exactly!!!!
i love that they put out decoys, and its not entrappment. its designed to catch the pieces of sh!t that make hunters look bad. big suprise, but some hunters are tired of the asses out there they are sharing the woods, errr i mean road with, and this thread has exposed some of those asses.
:yeah:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 23, 2011, 10:45:09 AM
Whats the rule for shooting off the road in Washington? Is there one? I think Idaho you have to be 20 feet FROM the bank or something like that.
Yes there is one. If it's a county or state maintained road. There is a certain amount of feet you have to be off the road from the center line. "I am not sure the exact number" Private roads like ones on say your ranch are o.k. to shoot from, but you can't shoot from a rig still. Unless you have a disabled permit. Then there are still rules with that as well. We have had those charges added on by wardens to people trying to shoot deer from the road on our property so I know there is a restriction on that. I like it when they hammer them with shooting from a rig/shooting from a maintained road/ loaded gun in the rig/ tresspassing. Sure adds up nice and puts a dent in the idiots walllets :IBCOOL:
Post by: ribka on October 23, 2011, 11:10:48 AM
The more they put out the better IMO
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 23, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
Post by: bigtex on October 23, 2011, 01:26:52 PM
Whats the rule for shooting off the road in Washington? Is there one? I think Idaho you have to be 20 feet FROM the bank or something like that.
Yes there is one. If it's a county or state maintained road. There is a certain amount of feet you have to be off the road from the center line. "I am not sure the exact number" Private roads like ones on say your ranch are o.k. to shoot from, but you can't shoot from a rig still. Unless you have a disabled permit. Then there are still rules with that as well. We have had those charges added on by wardens to people trying to shoot deer from the road on our property so I know there is a restriction on that. I like it when they hammer them with shooting from a rig/shooting from a maintained road/ loaded gun in the rig/ tresspassing. Sure adds up nice and puts a dent in the idiots walllets :IBCOOL:
There is no actual distance. You essentially have to be outside the maintained portion of a road. For example, if a brush cutter goes driving down the road you have to be outside of his cutline, everything inside of that cutline is considered "maintained". These regs apply to any public roadway, doesn't matter if it's owned by WDFW, DNR, USFS, BLM or a county.
Post by: slim9300 on October 23, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
Whats the rule for shooting off the road in Washington? Is there one? I think Idaho you have to be 20 feet FROM the bank or something like that.
Yes there is one. If it's a county or state maintained road. There is a certain amount of feet you have to be off the road from the center line. "I am not sure the exact number" Private roads like ones on say your ranch are o.k. to shoot from, but you can't shoot from a rig still. Unless you have a disabled permit. Then there are still rules with that as well. We have had those charges added on by wardens to people trying to shoot deer from the road on our property so I know there is a restriction on that. I like it when they hammer them with shooting from a rig/shooting from a maintained road/ loaded gun in the rig/ tresspassing. Sure adds up nice and puts a dent in the idiots walllets :IBCOOL:
There is no actual distance. You essentially have to be outside the maintained portion of a road. For example, if a brush cutter goes driving down the road you have to be outside of his cutline, everything inside of that cutline is considered "maintained". These regs apply to any public roadway, doesn't matter if it's owned by WDFW, DNR, USFS, BLM or a county.
But not a private timber company's logging road.
In terms of the decoy. Put the thing out in the off season or on private land.
Post by: rickomatic on October 23, 2011, 02:37:11 PM
Post by: Alaska316 on October 23, 2011, 02:47:39 PM
Post by: seth30 on October 23, 2011, 02:57:05 PM
I've been bugging WA DFW to put out decoys around the LT Murry. Poaching, trespassing is really bad there.:yeah:x2 They need them in GMU 418 as well. :twocents:
The more they put out the better IMO
Post by: dirty24d on October 23, 2011, 02:59:46 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2011, 03:50:28 PM
Post by: seth30 on October 23, 2011, 03:56:23 PM
are you kidding, they'd have trouble with huggers trying to mount or sodomize their decoys.:chuckle:
Post by: dirty24d on October 23, 2011, 04:38:10 PM
are you kidding, they'd have trouble with huggers trying to mount or sodomize their decoys.
That would be revenue for the state as well!!! :chuckle:
Post by: ICEMAN on October 23, 2011, 05:56:05 PM
Besty money spent would be on guys who shoot it off season. Get the poachers.
Post by: The100Road on October 23, 2011, 06:50:11 PM
For the money spent, I would rather they target off season poaching. It sounds like they are just wasting tax dollars if they have to go meet with hunters who legally shoot at the thing.
Besty money spent would be on guys who shoot it off season. Get the poachers.
:yeah:
Post by: gonehuntin68 on October 23, 2011, 07:04:24 PM
:yeah:For the money spent, I would rather they target off season poaching. It sounds like they are just wasting tax dollars if they have to go meet with hunters who legally shoot at the thing.
Besty money spent would be on guys who shoot it off season. Get the poachers.
:yeah:
Post by: JohnVH on October 23, 2011, 07:14:19 PM
Post by: Thenewguy on October 23, 2011, 07:57:31 PM
are you kidding, they'd have trouble with huggers trying to mount or sodomize their decoys.
That would be revenue for the state as well!!! :chuckle:
I can see it now, Greenies gone wild!
Post by: snowninja on October 23, 2011, 08:12:02 PM
Post by: dirty24d on October 23, 2011, 08:22:32 PM
Post by: Swatson on October 24, 2011, 03:58:27 AM
For the money spent, I would rather they target off season poaching. It sounds like they are just wasting tax dollars if they have to go meet with hunters who legally shoot at the thing.
Besty money spent would be on guys who shoot it off season. Get the poachers.
Ummm They do it in the off season too! I'm confused, should Wardens just take the hunting season off then and then set the decoys back up when the seasons over? Pretty sure taking a few minutes to meet with the few guys that actually legally shoot it isn't going to waste too much of your tax dollars! If a guy sees the decoy, takes the time to get off the road before he shoots, he's probably gonna figure it out pretty quick!
Post by: marlin on October 24, 2011, 05:45:53 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 24, 2011, 06:49:39 AM
Post by: kramman on October 24, 2011, 07:28:55 AM
Post by: jeepguy on October 24, 2011, 12:15:14 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on October 24, 2011, 01:49:23 PM
first thing wrong is placement big bucks dont bed down right next to roads or heavy traffic areas . i wonder if they set those up when tribal hunting happens :dunno:
i beg to differ on this...i shot a nice 4x3 bedded down less than 50 yds off a gravel road in a clear cut...you just never know with these blacktail :chuckle: they just need to feel safe
Post by: Alchase on October 24, 2011, 02:08:09 PM
are you kidding, they'd have trouble with huggers trying to mount or sodomize their decoys.
The huggers would prefer to be on the bottom or receiving end :o
Post by: sirmissalot on October 24, 2011, 02:14:25 PM
first thing wrong is placement big bucks dont bed down right next to roads or heavy traffic areas . i wonder if they set those up when tribal hunting happens :dunno:
I doubt its because of tribal hunting, but that would be nice if it was.
I also disagree though big bucks do sometimes bed near a road, they are so used to being well hidden and havign people drive or walk by them, they think you can't see them... and many times you don't.
Post by: TG509hunter on October 24, 2011, 02:26:27 PM
Post by: Rick on October 24, 2011, 02:35:20 PM
I would have told the ranger to go *censored* himself. Do we live in a free country or what?
Of course you would have.
Post by: jmx369 on October 24, 2011, 03:12:17 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 24, 2011, 03:31:31 PM
Many years ago I was hunting outside of Curlew. I had hiked about 5 miles in a large semi circle. I crested a ridge and seen this nice buck looking away from me. I dropped down and used a stump to steady myself. I cranked one off right in the kill zone and nothing happened. It was at that point I realized it was a decoy. I worked my way down to the deer and realized it was only about 50 yards off a road. The gamies couldn't seem to figure out where the shot came from and only noticed me when I was about 10 yards behind the decoy. I walked up and petted it. They were yelling for me to get away from the decoy. I had my fun and continued to the road where they gave me the 10th degree about shooting a WDFW decoy deer. I explained to them that I had came from the other direction, had made sure it was a legal deer (3x2 in this case) had a back stop, etc. Once they figured they could not get me on anything they told me to keep moving so they could get back to catching poachers. I continued hiking down the road towards camp, laughing the whole way. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jeepguy on October 24, 2011, 06:46:56 PM
Post by: huntinguy on October 24, 2011, 07:02:30 PM
I wish they would use it more on private ground :tup: that way you can get tresspassing/shooting from a road and a rig :tup: Man that thing would make a killing around here. I am surprised to hear that they are doing it in a open area on public land. Just hoping to bust someone shooting from a rig :dunno: Most times from what I know they do t on a road that is not legal to shoot from as well as in a area not legal for people to hunting :dunno: Taking pic's is not a problem. Plus by the legal definition of entrapment. What they are doing is not entrapment.
REF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment)
"In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability. *****However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime."
Then... why if I leave my car idling in the driveway. I get the ticket for encouraging someone to steal it... or whatever they call the ticket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ICEMAN on October 24, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
Post by: Swatson on October 25, 2011, 03:09:52 PM
Post by: tritt007 on October 28, 2011, 08:39:33 AM
Post by: Colville on October 28, 2011, 10:30:23 AM
That said, what are we hoping they'll accomplish? If you want to catch bottom fish, you trawl, you don't use a purse sein. Sure you'll catch some bottom fish that way but you'll have by-catch.
I'm not saying that guys that don't get off the road aren't breaking a rule, they are. But creating a bust to get primarily guys who are excited and looking at a legal animal, in legal shooting light, during a legal season, in a legal unit... is this the group of guys we really need to apprehend and fine? They're fair game for sure, they broke rules, but it seems like a poor use of limited resources.
Put up the robo's; after dark, day before/day after season, across private or GMU boundaries where it would be an illegal kill, put up robo's that would be illegal no matter when they were shot (doe, 2 point, wrong species for season etc). Guys that are breaking these rules aren't just guys who were tempted but otherwise would never poach, these guys are deliberate poachers and are the big threat to our game.
Nothing wrong with catchin J-walkers. But when there's meth being sold on the same street it's a poor enforcement priority.
Post by: high country on October 28, 2011, 10:58:01 AM
Entrapment? Fffft. You either break rules or you don't.
That said, what are we hoping they'll accomplish? If you want to catch bottom fish, you trawl, you don't use a purse sein. Sure you'll catch some bottom fish that way but you'll have by-catch.
I'm not saying that guys that don't get off the road aren't breaking a rule, they are. But creating a bust to get primarily guys who are excited and looking at a legal animal, in legal shooting light, during a legal season, in a legal unit... is this the group of guys we really need to apprehend and fine? They're fair game for sure, they broke rules, but it seems like a poor use of limited resources.
Put up the robo's; after dark, day before/day after season, across private or GMU boundaries where it would be an illegal kill, put up robo's that would be illegal no matter when they were shot (doe, 2 point, wrong species for season etc). Guys that are breaking these rules aren't just guys who were tempted but otherwise would never poach, these guys are deliberate poachers and are the big threat to our game.
Nothing wrong with catchin J-walkers. But when there's meth being sold on the same street it's a poor enforcement priority.
a guy j walking into microsoft can pay a ticket that a meth head can't
a guy in a pimped out d-max vs a beater subaru fighting hunger.....where do you see the revenue coming from?
Post by: DaveBTS on October 28, 2011, 11:14:52 AM
Warden: "OK boys; it's time to move along."