Post by: akashasdaddy on October 22, 2011, 09:10:23 PM
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Post by: TheHunt on October 22, 2011, 09:30:24 PM
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 22, 2011, 09:30:44 PM
Give up the location. Maybe someone on here knows who hunts the area on quads and can help you out. I also would of called WDFW. Let them help you sort it out.
After I calmed down I called my older brother who is a police officer to see what he thinks my next move should be and he said "nothing at this point, by now they have gutted and dragged the buck out and you didn't get plate info so WDFW wouldn't have anything to go off of as far as hunting them down".
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 22, 2011, 09:31:59 PM
Post by: TheHunt on October 22, 2011, 09:34:04 PM
Post by: jstone on October 22, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
Post by: TheHunt on October 22, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
I hate to say it for your first deer, but, some hunters are real a-holes when it comes to gettin' a deer. Elk hunters are even worse. Nothing you can do my friend. It's a lesson learned, plus you were alone.
:yeah:
Post by: jstone on October 22, 2011, 09:37:40 PM
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Post by: PolarBear on October 22, 2011, 10:54:31 PM
Don't let some jerks ruin you're season! You handled that situation absolutely correctly no deer worth you're life. Go get a big one tomorrow. :tup::yeah:
I probably would have fallen a few trees across the road on the way out but your way was better.
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 22, 2011, 10:56:12 PM
I hate to say it for your first deer, but, some hunters are real a-holes when it comes to gettin' a deer. Elk hunters are even worse. Nothing you can do my friend. It's a lesson learned, plus you were alone.
:yeah:
I don't believe I should be punished for being alone. It really shouldn't matter. Yes it is a lesson learned, and it will stay with me forever. Using the excuse I was alone is almost justifying their actions. What they did is wrong no matter what, if I were with a group I would not jump on someone who was alone. I'd congradulate them for a good hunt, and ask if they wanted help finding and moving their harvest. These people are scum and are a prime example for there needing to be more preperation for hunters besides a simple class. People like that need to take a class on ethics and sportsmanship. This isn't finders keepers and this isn't Tee ball, not everyone gets a trophy. I earned my harvest with hard work, determination, and scarifices. I turned the other cheek in this situation and let me say it was VERY hard to do so. I could have acted a fool but at the end of the day i am a single father and what message would me acting a fool give to my daughter? That is the ONLY reason I left the woods today with out another scar on my knuckles.
Post by: pips4bucks on October 22, 2011, 11:07:36 PM
You handled it better than I would have. At the minimum they would of been buying new tires./quote]
Sorry to hear that. Guys that do that are the scum of the earth. I definately would've flattened a couple tires and taken pics of their license plates and vehicles. I like the idea of removing the oil drain plugs though, gonna have to remember that one.
Karma is a b***h and they'll get theirs in the end. Look at it this way, now you get to keep hunting and maybe shoot one bigger!
Post by: Sneekee23 on October 23, 2011, 12:00:47 AM
Post by: WARHORSE on October 23, 2011, 12:29:26 AM
Post by: jamesjett on October 23, 2011, 12:46:06 AM
I am very sorry to hear that, you did the right thing. "even if they were the ones in the wrong" If something had went bad your daughter might have been out a father rather then food. People are crazy and I deal with them all the time. Anyone who is willing to hurt or threaten a human life over a dam animal should not be allowed to hunt. I can understand you getting upset when you were in the right but it's not worth your life.
:yeah:
Post by: jnevs23 on October 23, 2011, 01:00:45 AM
Post by: Tacomahunter on October 23, 2011, 01:02:02 AM
You handled it better than I would have. At the minimum they would of been buying new tires.LMAO
Post by: westsideoutdoorsman on October 23, 2011, 01:06:43 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 23, 2011, 01:15:37 AM
Post by: krism83 on October 23, 2011, 02:43:45 AM
I on the other hand like you would be seething and don't know how I would react. Keep at it, you will get another one.
Post by: Bard Skye on October 23, 2011, 05:10:33 AM
When I was living in New England, there would sometimes be full scale shooting wars in the woods. Normally yahoos frm NYC.
Nobody wins that game.
You did the smart thing.
Your daughter will thank you for it.
Too bad you didn't get thair plates, though.
Now, chin up, and go get a better one!
Skye
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 23, 2011, 06:08:58 AM
You need a sidearm...
Oh I have one and am very proficient with it. I am a rookie to hunting but not with guns in general. What good is my 9mm personal carry weapon against 5 guys all with their rifles? It didn't matter to them. I am headed out I can't stay out of the woods, yesterday was like my first hit of crack. None of the others are going to be as good as the first but I need more. Gonna stay away from that area today and hit a cut that really don't look like it will hold anything because it is too new but what the hell there is good timber all around so maybe I will get lucky and have one step out to dry off and warm up, it isn't supposed to be as wet today and I did see a good amount of doe in the area last night.
Post by: colockumelk on October 23, 2011, 06:31:32 AM
Post by: high country on October 23, 2011, 06:35:44 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
I had a guy take a two point from me. H enever fired a shot. I saw him go to the deer and when I got there he had tagged it. He said Better luck next time. If I'd have said a word one of us would be dead. Not worth it. I went and killed a bigger buck. It all worked out. Maybe it will for you too.
My brother shot his first buck, a nice whitetail in the Methow. At the time, a rare occurence. Same thing. He shot it, and a guy tried to take it from him saying it was his. He never fired a shot. My brother was smart enough to go to the neighbors and my friends Dad happened to be home. He went and dealt with the situation and my brother got his buck.
Post by: high country on October 23, 2011, 07:45:09 AM
I bet they are back there today. Go get the numbers. Its a heresay thing now but.......
I had a guy take a two point from me. H enever fired a shot. I saw him go to the deer and when I got there he had tagged it. He said Better luck next time. If I'd have said a word one of us would be dead. Not worth it. I went and killed a bigger buck. It all worked out. Maybe it will for you too.
My brother shot his first buck, a nice whitetail in the Methow. At the time, a rare occurence. Same thing. He shot it, and a guy tried to take it from him saying it was his. He never fired a shot. My brother was smart enough to go to the neighbors and my friends Dad happened to be home. He went and dealt with the situation and my brother got his buck.
Did dad make a tooth necklace for dirtbag?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 07:47:29 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2011, 07:50:21 AM
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Did dad make a tooth necklace for dirtbag
Rednecks are good for something. They do tend to believe in justice.
Post by: Darton1970 on October 23, 2011, 08:06:27 AM
Post by: TheHunt on October 23, 2011, 08:21:14 AM
Post by: Smokepole on October 23, 2011, 08:33:12 AM
There are all kinds of nut cases out there. I got held at gunpoint by a rifle hunter over a 4pt buck that I found laying in the woods, ungutted. I gutted the buck out, since nobody showed up for 2 hours. I guess the guys wife shot it and didn't know what to do, so she left it in the woods. So the guy accused me of stealing last year's buck and the year before that. Stuck his loaded 7mm in my gut and made me empty my pants. I didn't even want the damn buck. Told him to take it. Congrats, nutcase!
All that is why I switched to black powder or stick to the highest hills. Seems like the terrain deters guys like that. Most guys I meet up in the rocky hills are pretty darned good men.
Sorry to hear about your buck, but you did the right thing.
Post by: klindstr on October 23, 2011, 08:41:46 AM
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Post by: Buckhunter24 on October 23, 2011, 09:18:33 AM
My son (11 at the time) and I shot a buck about 25 yards away, then had some turkey taking pot shots at us from 350 yards. He unloaded his gun at the buck, & we had bullets and rocks flying all around us. The buck was hurt bad by our shot, so soon as the guy ran out of shells I ran over there and dumped him for good. Then the guy had the balls to truck down the hill to try to claim the buck. By then, I had it gutted & tagged.
There are all kinds of nut cases out there. I got held at gunpoint by a rifle hunter over a 4pt buck that I found laying in the woods, ungutted. I gutted the buck out, since nobody showed up for 2 hours. I guess the guys wife shot it and didn't know what to do, so she left it in the woods. So the guy accused me of stealing last year's buck and the year before that. Stuck his loaded 7mm in my gut and made me empty my pants. I didn't even want the damn buck. Told him to take it. Congrats, nutcase!
All that is why I switched to black powder or stick to the highest hills. Seems like the terrain deters guys like that. Most guys I meet up in the rocky hills are pretty darned good men.
Sorry to hear about your buck, but you did the right thing.
:yeah: The more effort required to get into an area the better
Post by: yorketransport on October 23, 2011, 09:24:24 AM
You did the right thing by walking away. Arguing with people like that is pointless. You may as well try to argue with a child. Sure you can win the argument, but you haven't changed the way they think. People like this are just damaged goods. Like most people of below average intelligence, they will eventually meet somebody dumber than themselves and they will all battle it out like a bunch of animals. Let natural selection take it's course and these morons will eventually be dealt with by a group of even bigger morons. And then the cycle will continue..... :bash:
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.This is true only if they were allowed to be back there on the quads. Not everyone is as responsible as you are. Guys who intentionally go into closed areas have already proven that they feel like they're exempt from the rules. It shows that they have a history of poor decision making. They are the same as the shooters who pop shots at every road sign or no shooting sign that they pass. They give everyone in their sport a bad name.
Andrew
Post by: colockumelk on October 23, 2011, 09:33:44 AM
My son (11 at the time) and I shot a buck about 25 yards away, then had some turkey taking pot shots at us from 350 yards. He unloaded his gun at the buck, & we had bullets and rocks flying all around us. The buck was hurt bad by our shot, so soon as the guy ran out of shells I ran over there and dumped him for good. Then the guy had the balls to truck down the hill to try to claim the buck. By then, I had it gutted & tagged.
There are all kinds of nut cases out there. I got held at gunpoint by a rifle hunter over a 4pt buck that I found laying in the woods, ungutted. I gutted the buck out, since nobody showed up for 2 hours. I guess the guys wife shot it and didn't know what to do, so she left it in the woods. So the guy accused me of stealing last year's buck and the year before that. Stuck his loaded 7mm in my gut and made me empty my pants. I didn't even want the damn buck. Told him to take it. Congrats, nutcase!
All that is why I switched to black powder or stick to the highest hills. Seems like the terrain deters guys like that. Most guys I meet up in the rocky hills are pretty darned good men.
Sorry to hear about your buck, but you did the right thing.
Wow that's all I can say. I'm sorry about your luck. If someone shoots at me and especially my son that man would have taken a round through the brain housing group. I have a history of returning accurate fire on those who shoot at me or my friends. :chuckle:
As for the guy who accused you of stealing the buck. Not sure what I would have done after took the gun from my gut. It would have depended on if he pulled a weapon on me while I was pummeling his face. If he took it like a man he'd leave with some busted ribs. If he pulled a gun well we all gotta go sometime. :chuckle:
Post by: colockumelk on October 23, 2011, 09:48:44 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2011, 09:54:16 AM
Post by: scoyoc5 on October 23, 2011, 09:57:21 AM
Post by: Bofire on October 23, 2011, 10:08:14 AM
Carl
Post by: colockumelk on October 23, 2011, 10:14:54 AM
I hear you, but killing or being killed over a deer..........that sounds pretty silly.
If my son and I have to take cover because of bullets hitting around us at that point its not about a deer its about self defense.
If another person pulls a gun on me its no longer about the deer its about selfdefens
Your right killing someone over a deer is stupid. But killng in self defense is not.
Post by: GEARHEAD on October 23, 2011, 10:19:18 AM
Post by: CedarPants on October 23, 2011, 10:58:31 AM
They hauled it out on a game cart, tossed it in the bed of their truck, then went back to hunting. Didn't gut it at all. That afternoon when they showed up back at their truck the game warden that was waiting for them wasn't very friendly with them and they weren't very happy with the tickets they received.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 23, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
Post by: crowinghen on October 23, 2011, 12:45:45 PM
I'm a rook and I'm glad I decided to bow hunt ....... Sorry to hear that man, I don't understand some people.You handled it better than I would have. At the minimum they would of been buying new tires.LMAO
It happens when bowhunting too-- My hubby's first and only elk he got with a bow ... a coupla guys with a casually displayed pistol decided that they were gonna take it... I'm glad my husband was wise but boy that pisses ya off. It was freakin bow season.
This was out in the Aberdeen/Hoquiam area about 10 yrs ago. scumbags!
susie
Post by: snowninja on October 23, 2011, 12:55:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 23, 2011, 02:06:43 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 02:11:30 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
Post by: bobcat on October 23, 2011, 02:23:12 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
Well then, if WDFW enforcement doesn't want to do anything about it, call the sheriff. Or, call the landowner. If it was on state land, call DNR enforcement. I don't care what the violation is called. It's illegal and I would have done my best to get them busted for it.
You're telling me that if someone stole a deer from you, you wouldn't turn them in for being in a no-motorized area with their ATV's?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 23, 2011, 02:32:49 PM
you two are killing me :chuckle: :chuckle:ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
Well then, if WDFW enforcement doesn't want to do anything about it, call the sheriff. Or, call the landowner. If it was on state land, call DNR enforcement. I don't care what the violation is called. It's illegal and I would have done my best to get them busted for it.
You're telling me that if someone stole a deer from you, you wouldn't turn them in for being in a no-motorized area with their ATV's?
Post by: goosegetter79 on October 23, 2011, 03:06:55 PM
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 23, 2011, 03:22:04 PM
You shot and they shot, maybe they are somewhere talking about a guy who tried to steal thier deer? Could it have been an honnest mistake? Sounds like they were jerks for hunting right by you tho. I think you did right, I would never die or kill over a deer. As for vandalizing the cars, you would be letting the creeps turn you into a creep. I would not do that either.
Carl
I truly do not think this was an honest mistake. The guy was above me only about 50 yards, there is NO WAY he didn't hear the shot or my yell of excitement. It was my first deer and couldn't contain my excitement. No I believe these guys went in the woods with the intention of following me and taking any deer I shot at or may have shot at. The guy admitted to me that they followed me because I had scouted the area and probably knew where the deer were. He did this when he was still being nice til his buddies showed up. Then he knew he out numbered me. No these guys are criminals and went in with the intention of committing a crime and they did.
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 23, 2011, 03:26:56 PM
Where does it say that they rode there quad's behind the gate? :dunno: All he said was they pulled in behind him and then followed him for the 3 mile hike. He didn't even know that they were on the hill behind him. If they were on there quads wouldn't he have heard where they were at?
The guy that eventually put his tag on MY deer did not have an ATV it was his buddies that showed up later that had the quads. I don't know if they were allowed to have the quads or not there were no signs posted and I do not ride so I wouldn't know. Them having quads didn't bother me at all it was them stealing my hard work that is the issue. I only talked about the quads in the original story as a way to fully describe what had happened.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 03:36:19 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
Well then, if WDFW enforcement doesn't want to do anything about it, call the sheriff. Or, call the landowner. If it was on state land, call DNR enforcement. I don't care what the violation is called. It's illegal and I would have done my best to get them busted for it.
You're telling me that if someone stole a deer from you, you wouldn't turn them in for being in a no-motorized area with their ATV's?
Actually, no. I think it's pretty chicken sh!t myself. That was not the problem. It was the stealing of this guys deer, period. I would think more like a guy, than a whiner about ATVs. Like, if I see this guy alone, I'd beat the crap out of him. I think more old school than most guys because that's how I was raised. I'm not for turning people in for something as assnine as riding an ATV behind a closed gate. So what. It happens everday and nothing is ever done about it. It's a waste of OUR taxpayers money to tie up a cops time with something so minor. The cops have better things to do, like maybe, catch a murderer camping out at your campground or a truck prowler at trailheads. Little pukes tearing down forest service signs, pulling out cattle guards in the middle of the forest, grow operations, meth labs, wood poachers. Besides, the people that bitch about the ATVers most likely weren't even there. If you were there, then do what ya gotta do. We have too many goodie two shoes in this world that butt into other peoples business. Give it a rest for once. I'm sure all of you guys a really good people, but geeze, enough on the ATV stuff. Direct you anger where it will help instead of whinning about something so stupid.
Post by: singleshot12 on October 23, 2011, 03:47:33 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 23, 2011, 03:53:18 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 23, 2011, 03:54:38 PM
thats easy for you to say colock, you got machine guns and rockets, lol.
Shhhh!!! :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 03:55:03 PM
Campmeat I'm with you. I reported a blatant road violation (didn't even stay on tje road) nothing happened. Waste of my time. For now on they get mountain tuneups. IMHO its not vandalism if they're trespassing. :chuckle:
Why thank you, thank you very much !!
Post by: sirmissalot on October 23, 2011, 04:00:47 PM
Campmeat I'm with you. I reported a blatant road violation (didn't even stay on tje road) nothing happened. Waste of my time. For now on they get mountain tuneups. IMHO its not vandalism if they're trespassing. :chuckle:
I'm with you there.
Post by: longknife on October 23, 2011, 04:11:52 PM
I would have had a hard Tim not putting a full magazine into that deers hams and straps collars by my saying.........you can keep it.
Exactly how my grandfather handled these problems!
Post by: Thenewguy on October 23, 2011, 04:42:39 PM
I am sorry but this was the whiniest post I have seen in quite some time. I absolutely would of reported a violation. Someone driving their ATV on a wet day in a restricted to ATV area and then stealing someone's kill? Yes, these people deserve to have the knock on their record. Maybe if someone had "called it in" years ago (these people sound like repeat offenders) then these guys wouldn't of done this. What happens when they keep getting away with illegal acts? Do you think they will just stop or simply drive ATV's off road or is it possible they might continue to escalate their actions?ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
Well then, if WDFW enforcement doesn't want to do anything about it, call the sheriff. Or, call the landowner. If it was on state land, call DNR enforcement. I don't care what the violation is called. It's illegal and I would have done my best to get them busted for it.
You're telling me that if someone stole a deer from you, you wouldn't turn them in for being in a no-motorized area with their ATV's?
Actually, no. I think it's pretty chicken sh!t myself. That was not the problem. It was the stealing of this guys deer, period. I would think more like a guy, than a whiner about ATVs. Like, if I see this guy alone, I'd beat the crap out of him. I think more old school than most guys because that's how I was raised. I'm not for turning people in for something as assnine as riding an ATV behind a closed gate. So what. It happens everday and nothing is ever done about it. It's a waste of OUR taxpayers money to tie up a cops time with something so minor. The cops have better things to do, like maybe, catch a murderer camping out at your campground or a truck prowler at trailheads. Little pukes tearing down forest service signs, pulling out cattle guards in the middle of the forest, grow operations, meth labs, wood poachers. Besides, the people that bitch about the ATVers most likely weren't even there. If you were there, then do what ya gotta do. We have too many goodie two shoes in this world that butt into other peoples business. Give it a rest for once. I'm sure all of you guys a really good people, but geeze, enough on the ATV stuff. Direct you anger where it will help instead of whinning about something so stupid.
I would love to have an ATV and hope to buy one this winter. I have alot of respect for many people who us ATVs but I have a cabin just outside of a wilderness area in Washington and I can't tell you how many people in ATV's end up carving out paths and ruining the wilderness experience for many people when directly across the road is the little naches GMU where they can use their ATVS.
Post by: TheHunt on October 23, 2011, 05:08:35 PM
Now picture all those shots with a 250 grain 338 bullet. If they get 25 lbs of meat off the deer they would be lucky.
Post by: bigtex on October 23, 2011, 05:44:42 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
WDFW Officers can enforce any state law. So yes, ATV's behind locked gates would be a WDFW Officers "problem". As I have said on here many times, trespassing is the most frequently dropped case in WA, no matter what county. There is however a law that is applicable to ATV/ORV/Jeepers, etc which prohibits them from entering land without landowner permission. It is a $134 traffic infraction.
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 23, 2011, 05:47:39 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 05:56:16 PM
I don't really understand how this turned into a debate about ATV use. Like I said I do not know if it was legal for them to have the ATVs back there or not, I do not ride them and there were no signs posted, so I wouldn't know. Them being on ATVs isn't what made me angery becasue the guys on the ATVs didn't come around til the guy who tagged my deer called them on his radio. Here is my :twocents: on the ATVs though, I don't care what it is if it is illegal and you knowingly commit the crime then you should be punnished, so if it were illegal for them to have their ATVs back there they should be punnished for their actions. If you are an ATV rider you should be angry also, the actions of these people are the reason why you are finding it harder and harder to find land to ride on. The poor judgment of a few can ruin a good thing for all. If it is wrong then it is WRONG period. As for shooting the deer in retaliation the only thing this would accomplish is a deer that gave it's life to just sit and rot. These people and people like them wouldn't have tagged the deer if the meat were to have been shot to hell. Although I am still angry about it I am going to keep hunting. I don't care if I find something larger, I just want/need meat in the freezer. One good thing came from this, my older brother who is a police officer said that if it happens again that I would be justified in using force. I was alone, they became hostile first and all of them had fire arms. If it came to it, I could claim I felt my life was being threatened and could use any means to get myself to a safer position even if that meant pulling my side arm. I hope I never have to do this, just as anyone who carries a side arm hopes they never have to use the thing but it is nice to know I could if I needed to. I never felt I was in that much distress just angry at the lack of respect and sportsmanship of these people. If I weren't so angry when I left the woods I would have done more to get even. I was just hurt by their actions. They seemed like decent people when we talked prior to heading in. If I do wind up eating my tags I still have the experiances and that although it would be nice to have a freezer full of meat is what hunting to me is really all about. I have stories and knowledge to pass onto my daughter and grandchildren. One last thing let it be known they are VERY VERY VERY lucky that my daughter was not with me when all this went down.
I know how it did, you mentioned an ATV and that's all it takes from the ATV haters.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 23, 2011, 06:04:29 PM
I would of followed them to the truck wrote down the lisence plate and then called it in :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 06:15:34 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
WDFW Officers can enforce any state law. So yes, ATV's behind locked gates would be a WDFW Officers "problem". As I have said on here many times, trespassing is the most frequently dropped case in WA, no matter what county. There is however a law that is applicable to ATV/ORV/Jeepers, etc which prohibits them from entering land without landowner permission. It is a $134 traffic infraction.
Well bigtex, the retired game warden I know says it's not. He has told me I can ride my ATV anyplace. He, as a WDFW Game Warden, employee of the state of Washington can ride on a state issued ATV anyplace as along as he or I have a helmet on. I know game wardens can write tickets for any infractions, speeding, DUI etc. So you're saying, if I ride my ATV on private land that the WDFW Game Warden can ride on that gave access to the public, that's an infraction ? The game warden can pursue an infraction against me ? Give me the RCW please. I'm getting two sides of the law here.
Post by: sisu on October 23, 2011, 06:21:27 PM
I don't really understand how this turned into a debate about ATV use. Like I said I do not know if it was legal for them to have the ATVs back there or not, I do not ride them and there were no signs posted, so I wouldn't know. Them being on ATVs isn't what made me angry because the guys on the ATVs didn't come around til the guy who tagged my deer called them on his radio. Here is my :twocents: on the ATVs though, I don't care what it is if it is illegal and you knowingly commit the crime then you should be punished, so if it were illegal for them to have their ATVs back there they should be punished for their actions. If you are an ATV rider you should be angry also, the actions of these people are the reason why you are finding it harder and harder to find land to ride on. The poor judgment of a few can ruin a good thing for all. If it is wrong then it is WRONG period. As for shooting the deer in retaliation the only thing this would accomplish is a deer that gave it's life to just sit and rot. These people and people like them wouldn't have tagged the deer if the meat were to have been shot to hell. Although I am still angry about it I am going to keep hunting. I don't care if I find something larger, I just want/need meat in the freezer. One good thing came from this, my older brother who is a police officer said that if it happens again that I would be justified in using force. I was alone, they became hostile first and all of them had fire arms. If it came to it, I could claim I felt my life was being threatened and could use any means to get myself to a safer position even if that meant pulling my side arm. I hope I never have to do this, just as anyone who carries a side arm hopes they never have to use the thing but it is nice to know I could if I needed to. I never felt I was in that much distress just angry at the lack of respect and sportsmanship of these people. If I weren't so angry when I left the woods I would have done more to get even. I was just hurt by their actions. They seemed like decent people when we talked prior to heading in. If I do wind up eating my tags I still have the experiences and that although it would be nice to have a freezer full of meat is what hunting to me is really all about. I have stories and knowledge to pass onto my daughter and grandchildren. One last thing let it be known they are VERY VERY VERY lucky that my daughter was not with me when all this went down.Think about your statement for a minute. Is an investigation into a shooting, possible arrest, if arrested then lawyer fees, etc. worth some F-in venison? I don't think so. I've spent good hard earned cash on lawyers for some fist-a-cuffs when the losers went to the police cry babying about the lumps, bruises and such. I keep as calm as I can and believe me it is REAL hard because I have a temper like greased lightning. Go take a CCW class and find out the legal and financial consequences that follow a shooting. Then you may not be so fast in saying my bother said...police are not the legal system they only enforce what the lawyers and courts have dictated.
Post by: bigtex on October 23, 2011, 06:30:08 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
WDFW Officers can enforce any state law. So yes, ATV's behind locked gates would be a WDFW Officers "problem". As I have said on here many times, trespassing is the most frequently dropped case in WA, no matter what county. There is however a law that is applicable to ATV/ORV/Jeepers, etc which prohibits them from entering land without landowner permission. It is a $134 traffic infraction.
So you're saying, if I ride my ATV on private land that the WDFW Game Warden can ride on that gave access to the public, that's an infraction ? The game warden can pursue an infraction against me ? Give me the RCW please. I'm getting two sides of the law here.
I am completely lost by your first sentence.
I said there is an infraction that can be used to cite people who ride on roads that the landowner prohibits such use. An officer could also use trespassing charges, however as I said, trespassing charges often get dropped. A lot easier to give a guy a $134 traffic infraction then to try and have a county prosecutor press criminal trespass 2nd degree charges
RCW 46.09.450.3:
It is unlawful to operate an off-road vehicle upon a private nonhighway road if the road owner has not authorized the use of off-road vehicles.
RCW 46.09.450.4:
Nothing in this section authorizes trespass on private property.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.450 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.450)
So if Joe Landowner has somebody riding ATV's on his private roads and does not allow such actions/does not allow trespassing, any law enforcement officer (does not need to be WDFW) can either cite the offender under RCW 46.09.450.3 or go for Criminal Trespass 2 charges.
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 23, 2011, 06:45:22 PM
I don't really understand how this turned into a debate about ATV use. Like I said I do not know if it was legal for them to have the ATVs back there or not, I do not ride them and there were no signs posted, so I wouldn't know. Them being on ATVs isn't what made me angry because the guys on the ATVs didn't come around til the guy who tagged my deer called them on his radio. Here is my :twocents: on the ATVs though, I don't care what it is if it is illegal and you knowingly commit the crime then you should be punished, so if it were illegal for them to have their ATVs back there they should be punished for their actions. If you are an ATV rider you should be angry also, the actions of these people are the reason why you are finding it harder and harder to find land to ride on. The poor judgment of a few can ruin a good thing for all. If it is wrong then it is WRONG period. As for shooting the deer in retaliation the only thing this would accomplish is a deer that gave it's life to just sit and rot. These people and people like them wouldn't have tagged the deer if the meat were to have been shot to hell. Although I am still angry about it I am going to keep hunting. I don't care if I find something larger, I just want/need meat in the freezer. One good thing came from this, my older brother who is a police officer said that if it happens again that I would be justified in using force. I was alone, they became hostile first and all of them had fire arms. If it came to it, I could claim I felt my life was being threatened and could use any means to get myself to a safer position even if that meant pulling my side arm. I hope I never have to do this, just as anyone who carries a side arm hopes they never have to use the thing but it is nice to know I could if I needed to. I never felt I was in that much distress just angry at the lack of respect and sportsmanship of these people. If I weren't so angry when I left the woods I would have done more to get even. I was just hurt by their actions. They seemed like decent people when we talked prior to heading in. If I do wind up eating my tags I still have the experiences and that although it would be nice to have a freezer full of meat is what hunting to me is really all about. I have stories and knowledge to pass onto my daughter and grandchildren. One last thing let it be known they are VERY VERY VERY lucky that my daughter was not with me when all this went down.Think about your statement for a minute. Is an investigation into a shooting, possible arrest, if arrested then lawyer fees, etc. worth some F-in venison? I don't think so. I've spent good hard earned cash on lawyers for some fist-a-cuffs when the losers went to the police cry babying about the lumps, bruises and such. I keep as calm as I can and believe me it is REAL hard because I have a temper like greased lightning. Go take a CCW class and find out the legal and financial consequences that follow a shooting. Then you may not be so fast in saying my bother said...police are not the legal system they only enforce what the lawyers and courts have dictated.
Never once have said I wanted to or even thought of using my side arm when all this went down just giving info I received from someone who knows. I understand his job and he has been doing it for a long time now and has a lot of interactions with lawyers. He has been involved in the investigation of a few self defense shootings so I trust what he says. I didn't go to him for the info he just gave it on his own accord. I DO NOT want to EVER use my side arm. I am pretty level headed that is why I walked away. If it ever came to it I know I would be under investigation but it is nice to know that it is in my brothers professional opinion it would be a quick and easy investigation. Please don't misunderstand my comments I do not want to cause anyone any harm I am not like that. With that said I do carry a side arm for safety and I am highly skilled in using my weapon. It would take an awful lot for me to use my weapon. I believe in the law and justice system. I also believe these pukes will get whats coming to them eventually. Again I was only passing along information that I have received, in now way was I making the statement that I would be in the woods like Rambo trying to find altercations with idiots. This situation is behind me now and I have learned from it.
Post by: colockumelk on October 23, 2011, 06:54:58 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 23, 2011, 07:04:40 PM
I talked to a landowner who participates in the "hunt by written permission only" program. He did it because he would catch guys trespassing and 9 out of ten times it would get dropped in court. So he went with that wdfw " by written permission only" program and said now if someone trespasses its a wildlife violation and 9 out of 10 times he gets a conviction. And the conviction has more weight.
:yeah:
Thats the great thing about this program. If you are prosecuted and found guilty of criminal trespass 2nd degree and were hunting there is no wildlife violation, thus it doesn't count towards the license suspension process. However if you are hunting on the WDFW Written Permission Properties without the permission card you will be cited for a RCW 77 violation and it will count towards the suspension process.
Post by: TheHunt on October 23, 2011, 07:28:35 PM
The program needs to be revamped :twocents:
Post by: phishisgroovin on October 23, 2011, 07:29:10 PM
You shot and they shot, maybe they are somewhere talking about a guy who tried to steal thier deer? Could it have been an honnest mistake? Sounds like they were jerks for hunting right by you tho. I think you did right, I would never die or kill over a deer. As for vandalizing the cars, you would be letting the creeps turn you into a creep. I would not do that either.but knowing how foul 4 year old Deer estrus hidden safely in the cab of my ranger stinks, pouring it in the cowling ahead of their windshield would really STINK when they turned on the heat lol! (yes i am a dick like that and would have poured away)
Carl
Post by: Bofire on October 23, 2011, 07:33:35 PM
Carl
Post by: Bofire on October 23, 2011, 07:35:32 PM
You shot and they shot, maybe they are somewhere talking about a guy who tried to steal thier deer? Could it have been an honnest mistake? Sounds like they were jerks for hunting right by you tho. I think you did right, I would never die or kill over a deer. As for vandalizing the cars, you would be letting the creeps turn you into a creep. I would not do that either.but knowing how foul 4 year old Deer estrus hidden safely in the cab of my ranger stinks, pouring it in the cowling ahead of their windshield would really STINK when they turned on the heat lol! (yes i am a dick like that and would have poured away)
Carl
Now yer thinking!!!!!!
Post by: Curly on October 23, 2011, 07:52:28 PM
Now you can go out and get your second buck........ :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
WDFW Officers can enforce any state law. So yes, ATV's behind locked gates would be a WDFW Officers "problem". As I have said on here many times, trespassing is the most frequently dropped case in WA, no matter what county. There is however a law that is applicable to ATV/ORV/Jeepers, etc which prohibits them from entering land without landowner permission. It is a $134 traffic infraction.
So you're saying, if I ride my ATV on private land that the WDFW Game Warden can ride on that gave access to the public, that's an infraction ? The game warden can pursue an infraction against me ? Give me the RCW please. I'm getting two sides of the law here.
I am completely lost by your first sentence.
I said there is an infraction that can be used to cite people who ride on roads that the landowner prohibits such use. An officer could also use trespassing charges, however as I said, trespassing charges often get dropped. A lot easier to give a guy a $134 traffic infraction then to try and have a county prosecutor press criminal trespass 2nd degree charges
RCW 46.09.450.3:
It is unlawful to operate an off-road vehicle upon a private nonhighway road if the road owner has not authorized the use of off-road vehicles.
RCW 46.09.450.4:
Nothing in this section authorizes trespass on private property.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.450 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.450)
So if Joe Landowner has somebody riding ATV's on his private roads and does not allow such actions/does not allow trespassing, any law enforcement officer (does not need to be WDFW) can either cite the offender under RCW 46.09.450.3 or go for Criminal Trespass 2 charges.
My sentence : I was told by the WDFW Game Warden, that I could ride my ATV anyplace the WDFW could with no problems, Forest Service, DNR, State lands ? I know any trespass is illegal. So if I'm behind gates unless posted, in say, Captitol Forest where the WDFW Game Agent can ride, I can ride too as long as my ATV is up to snuff for registration etc. and I have my helmet on. Ok, so what is the $ 134 infraction for then ? Define "private nonhighway" ?
Post by: krism83 on October 23, 2011, 08:23:06 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 23, 2011, 08:29:49 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
WDFW Officers can enforce any state law. So yes, ATV's behind locked gates would be a WDFW Officers "problem". As I have said on here many times, trespassing is the most frequently dropped case in WA, no matter what county. There is however a law that is applicable to ATV/ORV/Jeepers, etc which prohibits them from entering land without landowner permission. It is a $134 traffic infraction.
So you're saying, if I ride my ATV on private land that the WDFW Game Warden can ride on that gave access to the public, that's an infraction ? The game warden can pursue an infraction against me ? Give me the RCW please. I'm getting two sides of the law here.
I am completely lost by your first sentence.
I said there is an infraction that can be used to cite people who ride on roads that the landowner prohibits such use. An officer could also use trespassing charges, however as I said, trespassing charges often get dropped. A lot easier to give a guy a $134 traffic infraction then to try and have a county prosecutor press criminal trespass 2nd degree charges
RCW 46.09.450.3:
It is unlawful to operate an off-road vehicle upon a private nonhighway road if the road owner has not authorized the use of off-road vehicles.
RCW 46.09.450.4:
Nothing in this section authorizes trespass on private property.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.450 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.450)
So if Joe Landowner has somebody riding ATV's on his private roads and does not allow such actions/does not allow trespassing, any law enforcement officer (does not need to be WDFW) can either cite the offender under RCW 46.09.450.3 or go for Criminal Trespass 2 charges.
My sentence : I was told by the WDFW Game Warden, that I could ride my ATV anyplace the WDFW could with no problems, Forest Service, DNR, State lands ? I know any trespass is illegal. So if I'm behind gates unless posted, in say, Captitol Forest where the WDFW Game Agent can ride, I can ride too as long as my ATV is up to snuff for registration etc. and I have my helmet on. Ok, so what is the $ 134 infraction for then ? Define "private nonhighway" ?
Sir,
I think you are confused. Let's say Weyerhauser does not want ATV's on their roads, and they have posted that at an entry point. If an officer contacts an ATV rider on ther road they can be cited for RCW 46.09.450.3 and/or Criminal Trespass 2. If you are in an area (private or public) that allows ATV's then obviously you can use the ATV as long as you meet the safety requirements, and RCW 49.09.450.3 does not apply. RCW 49.09.450.3 simply applies to areas where the landowner does not allow ATV/ORV/etc usage.
Also, you should be aware that under RCW 77.12.154 WDFW employees performing their duties and any law enforcement officer enforcing RCW 77 (fish and wildlife laws) is exempt from trespass liability. So simply saying that a WDFW Officer used an ATV to drive up a private/posted no trespassing road, means anyone can do it, is not true.
Post by: bobcat on October 23, 2011, 08:31:15 PM
So can you let us know whose land this was? Weyerhaeuser? State? Green Diamond? Just curious...
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 23, 2011, 08:43:13 PM
akashasdaddy:
So can you let us know whose land this was? Weyerhaeuser? State? Green Diamond? Just curious...
This was state land in the Copailis GMU.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 08:46:09 PM
ATVs have nothing to do with this story. It's the guys who stole the deer and that's it.
Sure it does, and the reason I asked if they were legal to be in there with ATV's, is that I don't see how he could turn those guys into law enforcement for "stealing" his deer. Where's the proof? It's his word against theirs. I don't think a game warden would be able to do anything, even if he had got license plate numbers and called it in. However, he could have turned them in for being behind a locked gate on ATV's. Very few areas here on the westside is it legal to go around gates on ATV's.
Same ol' story again..................blah, blah, blah ! It's not the game wardens problem for the ATVers being behind locked gates. It's the landowners problem, it's called, TRESPASSING.
WDFW Officers can enforce any state law. So yes, ATV's behind locked gates would be a WDFW Officers "problem". As I have said on here many times, trespassing is the most frequently dropped case in WA, no matter what county. There is however a law that is applicable to ATV/ORV/Jeepers, etc which prohibits them from entering land without landowner permission. It is a $134 traffic infraction.
So you're saying, if I ride my ATV on private land that the WDFW Game Warden can ride on that gave access to the public, that's an infraction ? The game warden can pursue an infraction against me ? Give me the RCW please. I'm getting two sides of the law here.
I am completely lost by your first sentence.
I said there is an infraction that can be used to cite people who ride on roads that the landowner prohibits such use. An officer could also use trespassing charges, however as I said, trespassing charges often get dropped. A lot easier to give a guy a $134 traffic infraction then to try and have a county prosecutor press criminal trespass 2nd degree charges
RCW 46.09.450.3:
It is unlawful to operate an off-road vehicle upon a private nonhighway road if the road owner has not authorized the use of off-road vehicles.
RCW 46.09.450.4:
Nothing in this section authorizes trespass on private property.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.450 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.450)
So if Joe Landowner has somebody riding ATV's on his private roads and does not allow such actions/does not allow trespassing, any law enforcement officer (does not need to be WDFW) can either cite the offender under RCW 46.09.450.3 or go for Criminal Trespass 2 charges.
My sentence : I was told by the WDFW Game Warden, that I could ride my ATV anyplace the WDFW could with no problems, Forest Service, DNR, State lands ? I know any trespass is illegal. So if I'm behind gates unless posted, in say, Captitol Forest where the WDFW Game Agent can ride, I can ride too as long as my ATV is up to snuff for registration etc. and I have my helmet on. Ok, so what is the $ 134 infraction for then ? Define "private nonhighway" ?
Sir,
I think you are confused. Let's say Weyerhauser does not want ATV's on their roads, and they have posted that at an entry point. If an officer contacts an ATV rider on ther road they can be cited for RCW 46.09.450.3 and/or Criminal Trespass 2. If you are in an area (private or public) that allows ATV's then obviously you can use the ATV as long as you meet the safety requirements, and RCW 49.09.450.3 does not apply. RCW 49.09.450.3 simply applies to areas where the landowner does not allow ATV/ORV/etc usage.
Also, you should be aware that under RCW 77.12.154 WDFW employees performing their duties and any law enforcement officer enforcing RCW 77 (fish and wildlife laws) is exempt from trespass liability. So simply saying that a WDFW Officer used an ATV to drive up a private/posted no trespassing road, means anyone can do it, is not true.
Not confused at all. I was just going by what an agent for the State of Washington told me. Remember bigtex, we are only peons and are lead to believe that all LEO know the laws and should that not differ from one agency to another. And thanks for using the correct terminology, trespass. It's not trespassing as everybody thinks it is. Again, thanks, because I was not trying to be rude.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 23, 2011, 08:51:55 PM
akashasdaddy:
So can you let us know whose land this was? Weyerhaeuser? State? Green Diamond? Just curious...
This was state land in the Copailis GMU.
There you go Bobcat, state land. ATV riding is legal I bet. It is where I live.
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 23, 2011, 08:57:14 PM
Congrats on your first buck. It will be one you won't forget, I'm sure.
Now you can go out and get your second buck........ :tup:
This is a great post. It is almost exactly what my uncle from Montana said when he called to check in to see how the season was going for me. It is a memory that is for sure and in a few more years when my daughter is ready to hunt I will only share the good side of this story. Even though I am a rookie I feel safe in saying we as (ethical) hunters do not like people like the ones who did this to me. It puts a bad taste in the mouths of non-hunters and those who may be curious about the sport.
Post by: bigtex on October 23, 2011, 09:14:13 PM
akashasdaddy:
So can you let us know whose land this was? Weyerhaeuser? State? Green Diamond? Just curious...
This was state land in the Copailis GMU.
There you go Bobcat, state land. ATV riding is legal I bet. It is where I live.
On the westside about the only DNR land open to ATV is the DNR land that are apart of state forests. Your smaller DNR parcels which tend to get a lot of hunting pressure do not allow ATV's and in many cases are simply walk in only
Post by: sirmissalot on October 24, 2011, 07:04:47 AM
To the OP, I'm sorry about your luck but unfortunately thats just part of hunting public land now days here in washington state. Get out there and get a bigger one, I truly believe everything happens for a reason so don't give up.
Post by: singleshot12 on October 24, 2011, 07:48:41 AM
He turned broad side and I let her rip. I was so excited; my first buck ever, no tag soup for this rookie hunter. I watched as my buck ran from me so I could find him when he dropped. He stopped looked like he was about to drop when another shot rang out. What the *censored*! I yelled. The buck tore off for about another 100 yards.
Akashasdaddy, with most rifles being sighted in high at 100 yards and with your shot on the spike being so close could it be possible you shot over him? With one bullet hole in the animal and it taking off another 100 yards after their shot seems kind of odd to me. So couldn't it be possible along with your lack of experience on killing a big game animal that the one bullet hole wasn't yours? not to stir the pot,just sayin
Post by: akashasdaddy on October 24, 2011, 08:08:55 AM
He turned broad side and I let her rip. I was so excited; my first buck ever, no tag soup for this rookie hunter. I watched as my buck ran from me so I could find him when he dropped. He stopped looked like he was about to drop when another shot rang out. What the *censored*! I yelled. The buck tore off for about another 100 yards.
Akashasdaddy, with most rifles being sighted in high at 100 yards and with your shot on the spike being so close could it be possible you shot over him? With one bullet hole in the animal and it taking off another 100 yards after their shot seems kind of odd to me. So couldn't it be possible along with your lack of experience on killing a big game animal that the one bullet hole wasn't yours? not to stir the pot,just sayin
I guess at this point anything is possible the only issue with that is I did find good blood on the ground only a few feet from where I believe I hit him. I tried to use that in my argument with these people but they weren't having any of it and by the time I got out of the brush where the animal expired the rain had washed the blood away. Like you said it is possible that I missed but in my heart I know I hit him and hit him pretty good.
Post by: singleshot12 on October 24, 2011, 08:21:19 AM
Post by: Secret Squirrel on October 24, 2011, 08:35:05 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on October 24, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
WTF that is BS they just followed you in. Did you know they were there following you? I do beleive I would have broken a window or slashed a tire....at the very least pissed on the door handles of their truck : :chuckle:
Although it doesn't seem right they followed him in it could also just be coincidence they were behind him and there was only one way in :dunno:.. Another thought is "like most hunters" they set up hoping he would push something out. I've taken a couple nice bucks while sitting above a drainage while knowing there were other hunters down below pushing bucks up. Nothing wrong with that at all!! So all this talk about sabotashing or vandalizing their vehicles sounds uncalled for!
Post by: LincolnTWilliams on October 24, 2011, 12:24:27 PM
He turned broad side and I let her rip. I was so excited; my first buck ever, no tag soup for this rookie hunter. I watched as my buck ran from me so I could find him when he dropped. He stopped looked like he was about to drop when another shot rang out. What the *censored*! I yelled. The buck tore off for about another 100 yards.
Akashasdaddy, with most rifles being sighted in high at 100 yards and with your shot on the spike being so close could it be possible you shot over him? With one bullet hole in the animal and it taking off another 100 yards after their shot seems kind of odd to me. So couldn't it be possible along with your lack of experience on killing a big game animal that the one bullet hole wasn't yours? not to stir the pot,just sayin
The bullet is climbing soon as it leaves the barrel so he would not have shot over him. They took his deer. This thread is out of hand.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 24, 2011, 03:02:56 PM
I hate to say it for your first deer, but, some hunters are real a-holes when it comes to gettin' a deer. Elk hunters are even worse. Nothing you can do my friend. It's a lesson learned, plus you were alone.
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I don't believe I should be punished for being alone. It really shouldn't matter. Yes it is a lesson learned, and it will stay with me forever. Using the excuse I was alone is almost justifying their actions. What they did is wrong no matter what, if I were with a group I would not jump on someone who was alone. I'd congradulate them for a good hunt, and ask if they wanted help finding and moving their harvest. These people are scum and are a prime example for there needing to be more preperation for hunters besides a simple class. People like that need to take a class on ethics and sportsmanship. This isn't finders keepers and this isn't Tee ball, not everyone gets a trophy. I earned my harvest with hard work, determination, and scarifices. I turned the other cheek in this situation and let me say it was VERY hard to do so. I could have acted a fool but at the end of the day i am a single father and what message would me acting a fool give to my daughter? That is the ONLY reason I left the woods today with out another scar on my knuckles.
You were in the right and handled the situation perfectly. Those guys will have to think about stealing that deer every time someone asks for the story or eats a piece of the meat. It really sucks that there are people out there like that and hopefully, they'll end up shooting each other and that will be the end of that.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 24, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 24, 2011, 05:21:36 PM
THe only thing bad about that program is that the land owner picks and chooses the people who get to access his/her property. They will only allow family and a few friends it is all BS. It looks and feels like the public has access but in all respect it is just a loop hole for the land owner. I think the land owner needs to grant access to more then just family and the same folks to get in the program.
The program needs to be revamped :twocents:
This year I asked two landowners for permission to hunt. Both said yes. I disagree with your statement.
Post by: colockumelk on October 24, 2011, 05:23:57 PM
I carry a pair of side cutter dykes with me all the time. I have cut more than one valve stem off a few tires....... :bash: :bash: :bash:
Jeep that is tje greatest post I have read on here yet. Thankyou you get a big :tup: