Post by: oldcolt on October 28, 2011, 06:03:25 PM
Has anyone heard of other sightings in Cowlitz/Clark counties, and or of the timbers companies bid for the breeding pairs that they are wanting in the Mt. St. Helens area ??
Post by: mtman on October 28, 2011, 06:29:40 PM
Post by: oldcolt on October 28, 2011, 06:36:15 PM
Post by: mtman on October 28, 2011, 06:55:11 PM
Post by: oldcolt on October 28, 2011, 07:10:56 PM
Post by: wence5 on October 28, 2011, 07:44:50 PM
Post by: Jason on October 28, 2011, 07:52:33 PM
Do I belive them :dunno: they both have worked and hunted in the woods all their lives.
Post by: Kain on October 30, 2011, 03:37:11 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbio.org%2Finitiatives%2FESIN%2FMapImages%2Fgraywolf.jpg&hash=4d601a3524e8253b18e8d73a6893338050ef1441)
Post by: oldcolt on November 01, 2011, 09:09:46 PM
Post by: lukeperry085 on December 22, 2011, 01:17:23 PM
I found this thread and saw that it was active pretty recently and I registered just to post. Oldcolt, I would be confident in saying that what you saw was definitely wolves. They are here, they are well, and I'm beginning to think that they may be abundant. The first evidence I saw of them was in May of 2010 when a friend and I were following cougar tracks on McCloskey Creek Rd East of Washougal, WA. Crossing over the tracks we were following, we found canine tracks roughly the same size as the cat tracks. I said, "If I didn't know better I'd say those are from a wolf." I thought I knew better, but after talking to some people I found a reliable source who claimed to having had heard them howling (this person knows the difference between a wolf and a coyote's howl).
Anyway, 2 nights ago I was in Gifford Pinchot National Forest out east of Sunset Falls and I ran across these tracks. That is a US Quarter for size reference:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv445%2Flgp0000%2FOut%2520and%2520About%2F2011-12-21005614.jpg&hash=35477d0b685fd3eded45d0d21ba1016ac1631efb)
After seeing these I began to figure that either their numbers either are a bit more abundant than thought, or I am just the luckiest guy in the world to randomly happen across the tracks twice!
Perhaps I am the luckiest guy in the world, because last night I actually saw one with my own two eyes! I was driving on L-1200 near the base of Silver Star Mountain when I came around the bend and there was a silver colored wolf standing in the road, and I only got a moment's glimpse of it before it bolted up a bank on the left side of the road (I had a friend with me who also saw this). The bank was 10-12ft high and almost vertical and it was up and over it in just 2 strides! I got out and the tracks in the bank were inconclusive, but at the top of the bank I could see what were most definitely wolf tracks in the moist soil. The tracks were much smaller than those that I photographed the previous night, and I would estimate that this wolf would have been 75-90lbs.
This was 100% a wolf! I am VERY familiar with coyotes, including their tracks. Even if there was a freakishly large coyote, I would not mistake its tracks for a wolf's, as the center toes on a coyote's foot are pigeon toed and even the toe nails are slightly angled in toward one another, while no other canid that I have ever been aware of has this trait.
Like I said, I am VERY familiar with coyotes, and here is a picture of me with the last one I killed, exactly two weeks prior to the day that I'm writing this. This hopefully should make everyone as confident as I am in my ability to distinguish between what is a coyote and what is not:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv445%2Flgp0000%2FOut%2520and%2520About%2FP1030049.jpg&hash=523e035925b409fe0176460619e612b7f1edcb06)
Post by: Machias on December 22, 2011, 01:23:46 PM
Post by: Machias on December 22, 2011, 01:24:59 PM
Post by: lukeperry085 on December 22, 2011, 01:35:51 PM
And that doesn't change the fact that I actually SAW one last night either!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 22, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
Post by: lukeperry085 on December 22, 2011, 01:49:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 22, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
Yes, and I have not yet heard any howls. I am considering attempting to get a photograph of one. I wonder if there would be local media interest in the photographs?
I'm sure the media, or even more so, the WDFW would be interested in proof of wolves being in that area.
Post by: DoubleJ on December 22, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on December 22, 2011, 02:11:40 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 22, 2011, 02:13:43 PM
Post by: Machias on December 22, 2011, 02:26:24 PM
not every wolf weighs 150lbs
And that doesn't change the fact that I actually SAW one last night either!
Actually none of them weigh 150 pounds. Ok, if you're convinced it's a wolf track, it's a wolf track. :tup:
I wasn't trying to argue with you about the sighting you had.
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 22, 2011, 02:58:10 PM
Sorry, damn fingers. There's a small number of wolves up there and I've seen one e. of Mt. Adams about 3 years ago as well as seen them near Mt. Adams when I was a young boy with my dad and grandma so despite what the WDFW says they are there.
Post by: Kain on December 22, 2011, 03:07:15 PM
Only one report of a wolf in SW WA so far.
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SPECIES
Wolf
DESCRIPTION OF INCIDENT
ON 10/17/2011 RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE RP. THE RP STATES THAT ABOUT A MONTH AGO, SHE BELIEVES THAT SHE OBSERVED A WOLF NEAR HER RESIDENCE. THE RP SAYS THAT SHE WAITED SO LONG TO REPORT THE INCIDENT BECAUSE SHE WAS UNSURE OF WHAT THE ANIMAL WAS; THE RP SAYS SHE WOULD TELL PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT SHE OBSERVED, AND MANY PEOPLE TOLD HER TO REPORT IT TO WDFW, AND THUS, SHE NOW IS. THE RP ALSO STATES THAT THE DOG SHE OBSERVED WAS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A GERMAN SHEPPARD, WAS BLACK AND GRAY, AND HAD EYES THAT DID NOT RESEMBLE A DOMESTIC DOG BUT WERE MORE WILD; THE RP DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ANY HYBRIDS IN THE AREA. THE RP ALSO STATES THAT SHE HAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD THAT WOLVES WERE RELEASED IN THE AREA, AND SHE ALSO THINKS THAT SHE HAS HEARD THEM HOWLING. I INTERVIEWED THE RP. SHE SAW THE ANIMAL FROM 50 FEET AND GOT A GOOD LOOK. SHE SEEMS WELL INFORMED AND WAS ABLE TO ACURATELY DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DOG AND A COYOTE. I PASSED THE INFO ON. SERGEANT TED HOLDEN
REPORT INFORMATION
Date/Time of Incident: October 17, 2011
Date of Report: October 17, 2011
Location: 300 BLOCK OF BUTTE HILL RD
City: Woodland
County: Cowlitz
Game Management Unit: 564
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 22, 2011, 03:18:16 PM
Post by: lukeperry085 on December 22, 2011, 04:06:56 PM
Post by: seth30 on December 22, 2011, 04:37:32 PM
Post by: Machias on December 22, 2011, 04:53:53 PM
I saw a wolf last year in Skagit county, even posted it . Everyone told me I was seeing things, funny if I saw the same wolf this year everyone would beleive me. :bash:
You're probably right about that!!!
Post by: Huntbear on December 22, 2011, 05:03:57 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 22, 2011, 06:21:52 PM
not every wolf weighs 150lbs
And that doesn't change the fact that I actually SAW one last night either!
Actually none of them weigh 150 pounds
Well, one or two :yeah:
Post by: lokidog on December 22, 2011, 07:30:03 PM
If there are no wolves in SW Washington and what you've seen were coyotes, is there any reason we couldn't shoot them? :dunno:
Yes, and I have not yet heard any howls. I am considering attempting to get a photograph of one. I wonder if there would be local media interest in the photographs?
No media, until notified otherwise, I'd have shot the coyote!!
Post by: Humptulips on December 22, 2011, 07:32:41 PM
Post by: lukeperry085 on December 23, 2011, 03:34:52 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on December 23, 2011, 06:41:02 AM
Post by: frostman on December 23, 2011, 07:28:04 AM
Also, someone else mentioned that some tool had a bunch of wolf half breed mix that were released. I would speculate that a lot of these sightings are essentially feral dogs (?), eh? That could also explain why they are not as large as the real deal gray wolves (out of the natural wolf factory in BC) that our eastside bros see.
I am becoming convinced that they are here on the westside, even though the state or feds will not acknowledge it.
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2011, 08:11:08 AM
Seriously? 4.5-5" diameter "slightly melted out coyote track"? Do none of you know what size a US quarter is? :rolleyes:
Seen plenty of quarters, in fact I have one in my hand right now. I've also seen a bunch of wolf tracks in Idaho. Sorry but that track does not look like a wolf track. I've never seen a wolf track where a quarter would practically cover up the back pad. I'm not saying you did not see one and I'm not saying they are not in your area, just it doesn't look like that track is a wolf track. Just sayin. Not meant to discourage your or get you ticked off, just doesn't appear to be a wolf track to me. :dunno:
Post by: PLUVIUSWAPITI on December 23, 2011, 08:12:19 AM
Post by: Harborhunter on December 23, 2011, 08:41:30 AM
DoubleJ, Last Saturday my boy and his buddy were hutning off hwy 6 East of LeBam on the Globe farm and swear that they saw a wolf. They said it was about a 100yds from them and it was huge, Dark fur and the tail was about two feet long. We are going to put some cameras up in that area soon. Also I see somebody has reported seeing a pair off of Hwy 101 south of South Bend.
I sure hope that is not true..
Post by: wrongway on December 23, 2011, 08:50:35 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 23, 2011, 08:56:03 AM
I am friends with someone who works with (not for) the Wa Game department, and the wolves that we have on the west side have been planted by people (tree huggers and (an unamed wolf factory near Tenino)
Libelous rumor mongering of of the worst sort.
Post by: hillbillyhunting on December 23, 2011, 09:08:37 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 23, 2011, 09:13:43 AM
I have seen wolves in Klickitat while I worked for WDFW and they are listed in the Southern Olympics by WDFW on their interactive map here http://wdfw.wa.gov/mapping/phs/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/mapping/phs/). Based on this information I would say it is possible that they could be anywhere in Southwest Washington. It would be an easy stroll in the park for a wolf to travel from Klickitat to the wet side.
:yeah:
Wolf Haven does not plant wolves. Continued irresponsible assertions of this sort by posters like wrongway does nothing but marginalizes this site and any realistic anti-wolf argument and management ideas.
Posters (even the ones with the unshakeable bona fides of "knowing someone who works with WDFW") :bash: who continue to make these unsubstantiated claims do everyone concerned about the wolf a disservice
Post by: nontypical176 on December 23, 2011, 09:20:54 AM
Coincidence.......maybe....but me thinks sh** like this happens plenty, and I don't think hybrids would have too much problem adapting to life in the wild.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 23, 2011, 09:25:01 AM
There was a family in cowlitz county raising hybrid wolves. They were investigated after some got out and began eating the neighbors pets. Many of these hybrids were never recaptured. These dogs are very close to pure wolf if not pure and lots of people have seen them in the woods. The 2 I've seen look like they got some Shepard in them compared to wolves in other parts of the state. My goofy neighbors bought a couple of them, had the voice boxes removed because they howled too much and then one got loose never to be seen again
I think that is very possible and probable. Much different than accusing Wolf Haven.
and I don't think hybrids would have too much problem adapting to life in the wild.I think my sisters Anatolian Shepherd could become a "wolf" in about three days. And she looks like a wolf too.
Post by: hillbillyhunting on December 23, 2011, 09:27:24 AM
There was a family in cowlitz county raising hybrid wolves. They were investigated after some got out and began eating the neighbors pets. Many of these hybrids were never recaptured. These dogs are very close to pure wolf if not pure and lots of people have seen them in the woods. The 2 I've seen look like they got some Shepard in them compared to wolves in other parts of the state. My goofy neighbors bought a couple of them, had the voice boxes removed because they howled too much and then one got loose never to be seen again
I think that is very possible and probable. Much different than accusing Wolf Haven.and I don't think hybrids would have too much problem adapting to life in the wild.I think my sisters Anatolian Shepherd could become a "wolf" in about three days. And she looks like a wolf too.
I am trying to tame a wild chocolate lab :bash:
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 23, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
I am trying to tame a wild chocolate lab :bash:
:yeah: You won't tame them, they'll tame you
Post by: frostman on December 23, 2011, 09:32:06 AM
Merry Christmas Knocker of Rocks. You are very quick to defend the un-named wolf factory.
I have a few questions -
Where do these creatures that the factory produces wind up?
Does the factory just keep them in kennels?
What is your position on the management issue in this, the most human populated elk state?
Do you hunt?
Post by: hunterlady on December 23, 2011, 09:32:21 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 23, 2011, 09:34:07 AM
Does anyone know if there is a way to tell a pure wolf from a wolf hybred? I has heard that the tail was an indicator. If it curled over the animals back it was a hybred. :dunno:
When you cut it open, the liver is a deeper red on the pure wolves. :yike: :yike: Just kidding, of course.
Post by: bobcat on December 23, 2011, 09:34:19 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 23, 2011, 09:37:06 AM
:yeah:Ask them, ask them, we have a problem that I think the scale of which is still not understood and proactive management is needed, yes
Merry Christmas Knocker of Rocks. You are very quick to defend the un-named wolf factory.
I have a few questions -
Where do these creatures that the factory produces wind up?
Does the factory just keep them in kennels?
What is your position on the management issue in this, the most human populated elk state?
Do you hunt?
What are you, a cop or something?
Post by: nontypical176 on December 23, 2011, 09:39:31 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 23, 2011, 09:40:40 AM
:yeah:Ask them, ask them, we have a problem that I think the scale of which is still not understood and proactive management is needed, yes
Merry Christmas Knocker of Rocks. You are very quick to defend the un-named wolf factory.
I have a few questions -
Where do these creatures that the factory produces wind up?
Does the factory just keep them in kennels?
What is your position on the management issue in this, the most human populated elk state?
Do you hunt?
What are you, a cop or something?
Fair questions, Frostman
Post by: frostman on December 23, 2011, 10:03:45 AM
I have an uncle that was the first Tacoma cop killed in the line of duty. He is on a memorial at the TPD on 72nd st. God rest his soul.
I just want to know why the wolf factory is such a sacred place to you. The defensive posture makes me think that what we are insinuating is true.
Seriously though Merry Christmas and all due respect please.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 23, 2011, 10:52:20 AM
Post by: Lawman on December 23, 2011, 10:54:29 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on December 23, 2011, 11:07:24 AM
DoubleJ, Last Saturday my boy and his buddy were hutning off hwy 6 East of LeBam on the Globe farm and swear that they saw a wolf. They said it was about a 100yds from them and it was huge, Dark fur and the tail was about two feet long. We are going to put some cameras up in that area soon. Also I see somebody has reported seeing a pair off of Hwy 101 south of South Bend.
I sure hope that is not true..
:yeah:
That's right where I hunt :bash:
Post by: Harborhunter on December 23, 2011, 11:09:27 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on December 23, 2011, 11:10:52 AM
I have faith that the hunters of Pacific County will do a fine job of managing the wolves if problems arise.
Especially if "There are no wolves there" :tup:
Post by: LittleJohn on December 23, 2011, 11:13:29 AM
I'm assuming that's a quarter placed in the print for size comparison? If so, that is NOT a wolf track, not even close. Spread your fingers wide, look at your whole hand and fingers outstreched, now you have a decent reference to the size of a wolf track.
Well I am with Machias on this one. I am no expert, but I live in Montana Wolf country. Way too small to be a wolf. I will try to past some pics of some wolf tracks in the snow. I took some pics on my cell phone last week while we were cutting a Christmas tree. I set my coffee cup next to them, twice the size of my coffee cup. :tup:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2011, 11:14:28 AM
I have faith that the hunters of Pacific County will do a fine job of managing the wolves if problems arise.My thoughts have been that your prediction will hold for most of the wetside.
Post by: wrongway on December 23, 2011, 11:35:01 AM
is where do all the pups that grow up go to, I do not know this is why I am asking
It seams very easy to get wolf pups, how do you think we got ours
Post by: bobcat on December 23, 2011, 11:40:49 AM
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is where do all the pups that grow up go to, I do not know this is why I am asking
That actually is a really good question.
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2011, 11:53:25 AM
Post by: Humptulips on December 23, 2011, 11:56:13 AM
It must be true because you all read it on the interent.
Seriously though don't you think there is just a little bit of paranoia about wolves out there.
Post by: JLS on December 23, 2011, 12:04:57 PM
My cousins father-in-law talked to a guy at a gas station who said he saw a wolf on the Long Beach penninsula.
It must be true because you all read it on the interent.
Seriously though don't you think there is just a little bit of paranoia about wolves out there.
ya think?
Post by: sirmissalot on December 23, 2011, 12:06:01 PM
I have faith that the hunters of Pacific County will do a fine job of managing the wolves if problems arise.
Just as long as there is no evidence, I completely agree.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2011, 12:13:19 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 23, 2011, 12:15:38 PM
Seriously though don't you think there is just a little bit of paranoia about wolves out there.
Paranoia? Maybe that's not the correct word to use. The welfare of the deer and elk herds, and ranchers cattle should be a major concern given the results of wolf population impact on those game animals in western states since wolf packs have been allowed to expand territory. The situation will only get worse.
-Steve
Post by: lukeperry085 on December 23, 2011, 12:28:26 PM
I have a suspicion that what a lot of people are seeing in the SW Wash units are NOT coyote, because I think most veteran woodsman can tell the difference. I got a feeling that the insane liberal root-eaters out of Olympia (an unamed wolf factory near Tenino) have been populating the region with these cuddly little doggies (here is a classic uneducated non-sportsman or woman response when they see a picture of a wolf - "aren't they beautiful?"). I had a sighting in the "90's around Badger Peak. Word was at that time that the insane liberal root-eaters from the un-named wolf factory in Olympia were releasing them in the cascades.
I have my suspicions as well. I believe someone has or is releasing them.
Post by: wrongway on December 23, 2011, 12:34:57 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on December 23, 2011, 01:06:36 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 23, 2011, 06:19:49 PM
Paranoia?? Guess you must of just been delivered from another planet. Do a little research on what happened to the elk herds in yellowstone. Than get back to us:)
Geez, its a long way from what's happening in ID, MT and WY to every track I see in the woods being a wolf. This kind of thing just ruins any credibility we might have.
Proof is important and it doesn't have to be confirmed by WDFW but a little better then complete supposition and outlandish internet rumors.
Post by: flinger on December 23, 2011, 07:25:50 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on December 23, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
Geez, its a long way from what's happening in ID, MT and WY to every track I see in the woods being a wolf. This kind of thing just ruins any credibility we might have.
Proof is important and it doesn't have to be confirmed by WDFW but a little better then complete supposition and outlandish internet rumors.
With all the trails cams out there. One has to wonder that if there are wolves why have no pictures been taken. I Would be willing the numbers of cameras could be in the thousands. Assuming that at least 25% are placed in an area where a food source may travel one would have to assume that we would have pictures. We see pictures of other predators. Why not Wolves?
Humps advise is sound!
Post by: top pin1 on December 23, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
With all the trails cams out there. One has to wonder that if there are wolves why have no pictures been taken. I Would be willing the numbers of cameras could be in the thousands. Assuming that at least 25% are placed in an area where a food source may travel one would have to assume that we would have pictures. We see pictures of other predators. Why not Wolves?
Humps advise is sound!
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I had three game cameras up on and off for over 2 years in a wolf infested area in Idaho before I got one on the cam. This was a area that was known to hold a pack of wolves. Heck in fact I'd seen the pack 5 of them before my cameras ever saw them. I was seeing wolf tracks everywhere also.
Their a little more elusive then one may think..
Top
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2011, 08:29:42 PM
Post by: nontypical176 on December 24, 2011, 12:40:49 AM
Big Blacktails, Cougars, Wolves, bigfoot, yetties and such are just hard to see. Here on the wet side they only step out because they want to, not because they have to. I've always wondered why we don't have a wolf problem here already. The protected St. Helens herd that falls over dead on its own during winter months......why haven't wolves already established themselves there? It would be fun to remove the collar from a wolf and strap it to the leg of a red tailed hawk....That would give our state biologists something to ponder while they were trying to figure out a good reason we need wolves in WA.
Post by: mtman on December 24, 2011, 08:37:58 AM
Post by: Antlershed on December 24, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
Post by: oldcolt on December 27, 2011, 09:48:05 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 27, 2011, 09:53:42 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 27, 2011, 10:13:15 AM
I find it interesting that Knocker never responded to Frostman's questions. Beware the wolf sanctuary and it's proponents.
Then you are illiterate
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 27, 2011, 10:17:53 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 27, 2011, 10:37:24 AM
Your questions regarding Wolf Haven are best answered by them. I suggest that you take it upon yourself to inquire.
It certainly is not sacred to me, I have never been there, and really don't know where it is.
Carry on
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 27, 2011, 10:43:07 AM
I didn't read that post, I immediately responded to your childish challenge to me. I am not here as some spokesman for Wolf Haven. I have very real concerns about the wolf. I just do not believe that it is smart to accuse Wolf Haven (is that even it's name?) of releasing wolves into the wild. For them to do so would put their federal, state and county operating licenses in jeopardy, largely end any cooperation they have with the Feds or the State, result in large fines for knowingly violating EIS requirements, and probably result in heavy civil and criminal fines. I have come to the conclusion that it is likely that irresponsible private individuals could be releasing "pet" wolves and hybrids.
Your questions regarding Wolf Haven are best answered by them. I suggest that you take it upon yourself to inquire.
It certainly is not sacred to me, I have never been there, and really don't know where it is.
Carry on
I knew you hadn't read that post. That's why I asked. My question was a fair one and it was neither childish or accusatory. It simply noted the lack of your reply after you had thrice defended Wolf Haven in your replies to others. It's also readily apparent that you're unable to graciously admit when you've made a mistake.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 27, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
:yeah:Ask them, ask them, we have a problem that I think the scale of which is still not understood and proactive management is needed, yes
Merry Christmas Knocker of Rocks. You are very quick to defend the un-named wolf factory.
I have a few questions -
Where do these creatures that the factory produces wind up?
Does the factory just keep them in kennels?
What is your position on the management issue in this, the most human populated elk state?
Do you hunt?
What are you, a cop or something?
Post by: frostman on December 27, 2011, 11:12:13 AM
I agree with you that the "wolves" that guys are seeing on the westside are hybrids that irresponsible individuals are irresponsibly releasing into the wild. This is probably why the tracks are not as large.
This is a great forum for conservation minded people. I appreciate your input, sincerely. I would hope you agree with most of us conservation minded readers of this forum that are genuinely concerned about the proliferation of the species and the impact on big game in our state. We need to shift the focus to realistic management of the species (the state wants 15 breeding pairs - too f-in high in IMO)) or we will all be hunting squirells.
If you have any friends at the wolf factory, their input would be appreciated by the readers of this forum, without getting into the silly or childish remarks. I do not think we were being childish, just genuinely concerned.
One of my questions was - What do they do with the wolves that they "rehabilitate"?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 27, 2011, 11:34:21 AM
Knocker,
I agree with you that the "wolves" that guys are seeing on the westside are hybrids that irresponsible individuals are irresponsibly releasing into the wild.
And maybe our wolves just have smaller feet ( in all seriousness). I have been seeing wolves near Hope BC for almost the last 20 years. It's pretty easy for an animal to get from Hope to the Nooksack.
Knocker,Thankyou, and I agree
This is a great forum for conservation minded people. I appreciate your input, sincerely. I would hope you agree with most of us conservation minded readers of this forum that are genuinely concerned about the proliferation of the species and the impact on big game in our state. We need to shift the focus to realistic management of the species (the state wants 15 breeding pairs - too f-in high in IMO)) or we will all be hunting squirells.
If you have any friends at the wolf factory, their input would be appreciated by the readers of this forum, without getting into the silly or childish remarks. I do not think we were being childish, just genuinely concerned.All the professionals I know work east of the Cascades, for the Feds.
One of my questions was - What do they do with the wolves that they "rehabilitate"?
And I do not know what they do with the wolves, seems like a good question, which I'm sure they would be happy to answer. I hope you understand that my point is that there is nothing good to be served by individuals making non supported accusations. I just find it impossible to believe that Wolf Haven would act so irresponsibly.
Post by: seth30 on December 27, 2011, 11:47:58 AM
I beleive we have pure and hyrbid here. There was some looney bin releasing them outside concrete a few years back. Then we have the ones that stray down from canada that are pure bred :twocents:Knocker,
I agree with you that the "wolves" that guys are seeing on the westside are hybrids that irresponsible individuals are irresponsibly releasing into the wild. This is probably why the tracks are not as large.
WRONG... AS per the WDFW Wildlife manager for region 4 they (WDFW) is aware of the wolves in region 4 and have a trapper trying to collect DNA samples (that was as of this past spring) According to him these wolves have "naturally" relocated here from the north.
Post by: frostman on December 27, 2011, 12:01:44 PM
Knocker,
I agree with you that the "wolves" that guys are seeing on the westside are hybrids that irresponsible individuals are irresponsibly releasing into the wild. This is probably why the tracks are not as large.
WRONG... AS per the WDFW Wildlife manager for region 4 they (WDFW) is aware of the wolves in region 4 and have a trapper trying to collect DNA samples (that was as of this past spring) According to him these wolves have "naturally" relocated here from the north.
The focus of this discussion is region 5. Region 4 would extend up to the Canadian border, if I am not mistaken. We are talking about SOUTHWEST Wa.
Post by: bearpaw on December 27, 2011, 12:09:25 PM
We are getting reports of wolves clear down to Vancouver, undoubtedly they are in the S. Cascades.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 27, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
We are getting reports of wolves clear down to Vancouver, undoubtedly they are in the S. Cascades.
I figured they were going to be throughout the Cascades when the Teanaway pack was confirmed. Lot of elk south, SW and ESE of the Teanaway. Get to the Yakama, and you're good to go to Mt St Helens and the empty corner of the SW.
Post by: hillbillyhunting on December 27, 2011, 12:30:59 PM
We are getting reports of wolves clear down to Vancouver, undoubtedly they are in the S. Cascades.
As I said earlier in the thread... I have seen them with my own eyes in Klickitat. I aslo spoke with a couple farmers in the area that confirmed that they see them once or twice a year.