Post by: stickbuck on October 29, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
Post by: twinners on October 29, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
Post by: runamuk on October 29, 2011, 10:04:55 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on October 29, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
Wonder what they ment by "accidentally shot". Maybe they were scoping it to get a better look and somehow hit the trigger. Maybe they thought they were on another road within there unit? :dunno: Not sure what would be open right now unless it was maybe a special permit.
Post by: Ridgerunner on October 29, 2011, 10:38:11 AM
Post by: bigpaw 77 on October 29, 2011, 10:42:46 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on October 29, 2011, 11:13:09 AM
Ridgerunner, why would this be considered party hunting?
Post by: runamuk on October 29, 2011, 12:16:27 PM
party hunting is what lots of people do who buy their wives tags then fill them for them or neighbors tags etc....happens all the time....kinda a dumb law...
and it is possible the tag holder was running out of time and hadnt filled it...I'd think better to fill a tag than not :dunno:
Post by: bigpaw 77 on October 29, 2011, 01:09:50 PM
Post by: mebco09 on October 29, 2011, 03:59:49 PM
Did we go back in time to Washington in the 1950's?
Post by: Button Nubbs on October 29, 2011, 04:07:39 PM
Post by: EDT on October 29, 2011, 04:15:29 PM
I am shocked! Is this the twilight zone? The guy called the warden on himself, in the mean time gutted and skinned and got it closer to the road, game warden cuts them a break and a guy who was going to have tag soup gets his tag filled.
Did we go back in time to Washington in the 1950's?
Where did it say that they "cut him break"? Im sure it was dealt with.
Post by: bearpaw on October 29, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
Post by: EDT on October 29, 2011, 04:47:05 PM
I would imagine a ticket should and will be issued for killing an illegal bull, but I do hope the hunters are given some consideration for doing the right thing and reporting the incident and for taking care of the animal so it could be used, I also commend the wardens involved for making the most of a bad situation, their actions shed a very positive light on the WDFW.
Agree Completely!
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 29, 2011, 04:49:39 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on October 29, 2011, 04:51:22 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 29, 2011, 06:00:43 PM
A lot of unknown here. However, this does happen more often than you may think. Pretty common for officers to allow the animal to be tagged by another in these types of situations. As for receiving a break. He will likely be written up for a lesser charge. Maybe "Big Tex" can chime in and tell us the charges. All depends on the details of which we have very little.
Like Dreamunelk said it is very hard to determine which charges could be applied because we don't know the whole situation. Like you said this does happen more often then you think.
This area is within the Bethel unit which is spike only. More then likely the individual would be charged with Unlawful Hunting Big Game 2nd Degree- Take Big Game During Closed Season. The whole "closed season" portion always gets people confused, yes elk season was open, but not for branch antlered or antlerless. This offense is a $540 bail forfeiture (fine).
HOWEVER, since a big game animal was illegally taken the criminal wildlife penalty assessment applies. If the elk has 4 or less points then the additional fine (in addition to the $540) will be $2,000, if it has 5 or more points it is considered a trophy animal and the additional fine will be $6,000. So if the only violation was the taking during the closed season the individual would receive a citation for either $2,540 or $6,540 depending on the antler points. If the individual is found guilty or pleads guilty only the $540 can be reduced or eliminated, the criminal wildlife penalty assessment is mandatory upon a guilty conviction.
As of this time there is no lesser charge for "accidentally" taking wildlife. If you "accidentally" kill wildlife, you face the same penalty as those who intentionally do it. There was a bill by a state legislator several years ago who was involved in a similar incident, and wanted to create a lesser offense for those who self report themselves however the bill never became law.
This applies to essentially all big game cases with the exception of true spike areas. If you shoot an elk in a true spike area, but the elk is not a true spike (such as 1X2) you would not face gross misd Unlawful Hunt Big Game charges but rather a civil infraction.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 29, 2011, 06:07:34 PM
Post by: stickbuck on October 29, 2011, 06:54:12 PM
Post by: mebco09 on October 29, 2011, 08:25:04 PM
Mebco, I never said the hunter was given a break on this. All the normal citations were issued except for the wastage I assume since all of the meat was taken care of and gifted to another hunter who was hunting five miles away.
Right, my bad. I guess I read too much into it.
Whoever did the shooting is a stand-up guy (besides doing the shooting) considering the severity of the fines.
Post by: Greg30-06 on October 30, 2011, 12:22:40 AM
:bash:
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 30, 2011, 08:54:15 AM
Am I the only one who says BS to congratulating this fool. DONT SHOOT UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE WHAT YOURE AIMING AT AND WHAT IS BEHIND IT. NO ANDS IFS OR BUTS.''
:bash:
I never said congratulate them and I don't see where anyone else did, either. They could've walked away from this and no one would've known, that's all. They didn't, knowing full well they'd pay the price.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on October 30, 2011, 09:17:16 AM
Post by: whitey on October 30, 2011, 11:13:35 AM
I have a feeling they are going to have some serious "Paper Cuts" on their Brown eye (Winkies) :yike:
The WDFW will be all kinds of fast to stuff some paper where the sun dont shine. :dunno:
It all could have been avoided if they hadnt screwed up to begin with.
Post by: raghorn69 on October 30, 2011, 11:27:39 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 30, 2011, 12:32:22 PM
I too respect the hunter for "Doing the Right Thing" He had a choice of action, and maned up. Many would have walked with a "Who cares" attitude. He made a choice of ethical conduct. He needs to be held accountable, but this man is a sportsman not a poacher!
I think that is very well put.... :yeah:
Post by: Greg30-06 on October 30, 2011, 01:06:58 PM
I too respect the hunter for "Doing the Right Thing" He had a choice of action, and maned up. Many would have walked with a "Who cares" attitude. He made a choice of ethical conduct. He needs to be held accountable, but this man is a sportsman not a poacher!I don't think he's a poacher but there is nothing ethical about not knowing what you're shooting at. I don't beloved that you deserve kudos for owning up to your mistakes. That's just being a man. If you can't see if its legal then how do you know if there is another person directly behind it watching it just like you are. How do you know it isn't a person bent over like that kid in darrington who shot the hiker. Come on guts you know I have a valid point. This
Post by: EDT on October 30, 2011, 02:23:59 PM
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I too respect the hunter for "Doing the Right Thing" He had a choice of action, and maned up. Many would have walked with a "Who cares" attitude. He made a choice of ethical conduct. He needs to be held accountable, but this man is a sportsman not a poacher!
I think that is very well put.... :yeah:
You Got it!
Post by: TheHunt on October 30, 2011, 03:45:58 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on October 30, 2011, 04:34:55 PM
I also am not getting the party hunting reference :dunno:
party hunting is what lots of people do who buy their wives tags then fill them for them or neighbors tags etc....happens all the time....kinda a dumb law...
and it is possible the tag holder was running out of time and hadnt filled it...I'd think better to fill a tag than not :dunno:
This state depends heavily on honesty. That's the only way you can have over the counter tags for everyone that wants one. Tag success is an important statistic as well. If everybody tagged out, we wouldn't have any animals left. A good season in WA is when tag sales are up and hunter success is low. I would think hunters would frown upon husbands filling their wives (and kids) tags.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on October 30, 2011, 06:29:48 PM
I too respect the hunter for "Doing the Right Thing" He had a choice of action, and maned up. Many would have walked with a "Who cares" attitude. He made a choice of ethical conduct. He needs to be held accountable, but this man is a sportsman not a poacher!I don't think he's a poacher but there is nothing ethical about not knowing what you're shooting at. I don't beloved that you deserve kudos for owning up to your mistakes. That's just being a man. If you can't see if its legal then how do you know if there is another person directly behind it watching it just like you are. How do you know it isn't a person bent over like that kid in darrington who shot the hiker. Come on guts you know I have a valid point. This
No one on here denied "that shooting before you know what your shooting at" wasn't a valid point.
We were discussing the fact that the guy turned himself in and accepted the consequences. When he could have very easily walked away and left the elk there to rot. Resulting in him more than likely getting away with it.
Post by: runamuk on October 30, 2011, 06:47:12 PM
I also am not getting the party hunting reference :dunno:
party hunting is what lots of people do who buy their wives tags then fill them for them or neighbors tags etc....happens all the time....kinda a dumb law...
and it is possible the tag holder was running out of time and hadnt filled it...I'd think better to fill a tag than not :dunno:
This state depends heavily on honesty. That's the only way you can have over the counter tags for everyone that wants one. Tag success is an important statistic as well. If everybody tagged out, we wouldn't have any animals left. A good season in WA is when tag sales are up and hunter success is low. I would think hunters would frown upon husbands filling their wives (and kids) tags.
interesting since this is essentially what you are allowed to do for your family and elders :dunno:
I am new to hunting only been at it 3 years...I can say most my experiences prior were more about people filling freezers with meat and very little to do with size of racks etc....so yes I saw a lot of that and had no idea it was frowned upon let alone illegal....the tribes are not the only people who still hunt for subsistence rather than for trophy or "hunting" experience.
Post by: Coastal_native on October 30, 2011, 07:22:28 PM
I also am not getting the party hunting reference :dunno:
party hunting is what lots of people do who buy their wives tags then fill them for them or neighbors tags etc....happens all the time....kinda a dumb law...
and it is possible the tag holder was running out of time and hadnt filled it...I'd think better to fill a tag than not :dunno:
This state depends heavily on honesty. That's the only way you can have over the counter tags for everyone that wants one. Tag success is an important statistic as well. If everybody tagged out, we wouldn't have any animals left. A good season in WA is when tag sales are up and hunter success is low. I would think hunters would frown upon husbands filling their wives (and kids) tags.
interesting since this is essentially what you are allowed to do for your family and elders :dunno:
I am new to hunting only been at it 3 years...I can say most my experiences prior were more about people filling freezers with meat and very little to do with size of racks etc....so yes I saw a lot of that and had no idea it was frowned upon let alone illegal....the tribes are not the only people who still hunt for subsistence rather than for trophy or "hunting" experience.
I wasn't trying to flame you. I was trying to point out that, although it seems like a dumb law, it is crutial to the way WDFW sets regulations, IMO.
Obviously you took more offense to "who said it" then "what was said". I'll mind my own business.
Post by: runamuk on October 30, 2011, 07:37:15 PM
I also am not getting the party hunting reference :dunno:
party hunting is what lots of people do who buy their wives tags then fill them for them or neighbors tags etc....happens all the time....kinda a dumb law...
and it is possible the tag holder was running out of time and hadnt filled it...I'd think better to fill a tag than not :dunno:
This state depends heavily on honesty. That's the only way you can have over the counter tags for everyone that wants one. Tag success is an important statistic as well. If everybody tagged out, we wouldn't have any animals left. A good season in WA is when tag sales are up and hunter success is low. I would think hunters would frown upon husbands filling their wives (and kids) tags.
interesting since this is essentially what you are allowed to do for your family and elders :dunno:
I am new to hunting only been at it 3 years...I can say most my experiences prior were more about people filling freezers with meat and very little to do with size of racks etc....so yes I saw a lot of that and had no idea it was frowned upon let alone illegal....the tribes are not the only people who still hunt for subsistence rather than for trophy or "hunting" experience.
I wasn't trying to flame you. I was trying to point out that, although it seems like a dumb law, it is crutial to the way WDFW sets regulations, IMO.
Obviously you took more offense to "who said it" then "what was said". I'll mind my own business.
No I found it interesting that you of all people would find fault with the idea of filling someones freezer in the name of an agency who sets rules for me but not you? Seriously Coastal I am sort of surprised you find their or my law so crucial when you are not affected by it ....this is sort of like when we get told what you do doesnt have an effect....
It is a dumb law in my opinion...I have an empty freezer and a tag I couldnt fill in the time I had....I do not have an extended season I have one brief shot competing with hundreds of other people in a giant mess this state tries to pass off as hunting opportunity....
other states do not find party hunting at all distasteful :dunno: to me it is another somewhat dumb law that is almost never enforced unless its accidentally stumbled upon while happening....
Post by: shooter581 on October 31, 2011, 04:19:05 PM
Post by: elkfins on October 31, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
Several years ago, a friend and myself watched a 2x2 for about 5 minutes at about 200 yards. We could tell that the left side was clearly a 2pt. After watching the elk for at least 5 minutes with binoculars and rifle scopes, we both decided that it was in fact a legal elk and were just about to shoot. About that time, another hunter crossed over a ridge from another direction and shot it. As we approached him, we could see him trying to break the antler with a rock. Once we got there, the guy was panicked and trying to hide the rock he was using to break the small antler point. The second point on the right side was about 1 1/4" long and pointed straight out to the side of the antler. Gamies were called and showed up on the scene. I'm not sure of the outcome other than the elk was loaded up into the gamies truck... He likely got a ticket and maybe more troubles as I'm sure they would have been more lenient with the guy had he not tried to bust the antler point off.
My point is, until we were there, we could not see the second point on the right side and were confident it was a 1x2. Fortunately for us, the other guy shot it before we did. So, I can see how someone can accidentally shoot a branched bull... depending on the particular bull in question.
Post by: Rooster1981 on November 01, 2011, 08:24:39 AM
Accidents happen alot in spike only areas and the game wardens Can be really cool about it as long as you tell the truth and be totally honest about the situation, I shot a 1x2 in a true spike area and called it in and got the minimal fine and was told it will be chalked up as an accident and it wont go on my record. Ill post the entire story so other hunters can learn form my experience.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 01, 2011, 09:00:30 AM
Whatever happened to "be sure of your target before pulling the trigger!"? I am astounded to repeatedly read and hear about hunters shooting at a pile of brush or accidently killing the wrong animal (or human). These types would not be welcome in my camp.
He wasn't shooting at a noise in the brush. Bad analogy. He was shooting at an elk and made a mistake. He DID fess up and will pay penalties as a result. Many would've walked away from this and wasted the animal. Although killing the wrong animal was bad, someone of his honor and ethics would be welcomed into my camp. I've made mistakes before. How about you, Shooter? How did you handle them?
Post by: Drake7 on November 23, 2011, 08:44:12 PM
Post by: shooter581 on November 23, 2011, 09:29:33 PM
Whatever happened to "be sure of your target before pulling the trigger!"? I am astounded to repeatedly read and hear about hunters shooting at a pile of brush or accidently killing the wrong animal (or human). These types would not be welcome in my camp.
He wasn't shooting at a noise in the brush. Bad analogy. He was shooting at an elk and made a mistake. He DID fess up and will pay penalties as a result. Many would've walked away from this and wasted the animal. Although killing the wrong animal was bad, someone of his honor and ethics would be welcomed into my camp. I've made mistakes before. How about you, Shooter? How did you handle them?
I "handled" it by going home with unfilled tags because I couldn't be 100% sure I was shooting at a legal animal. I do have to commend the hunter for fessing up for his mistake; I'm sure he has paid a price mentally as well. Maybe my stance was too harsh, sorry for that.
Post by: ghosthunter on November 23, 2011, 09:48:48 PM
Ok, I hate to get this revved up again but I just can remain quiet when I read all these self righteous posts ridiculing this guy for shooting an animal he should not have and then reporting himself to the authorities, dealing with the consequences all the while moving the elk closer to road and cleaning it so as not to waste the animal. I am just one hunter out here and I can tell you I have seen so many unethical things go on year after year in our hunting areas it is refreshing to have someone admit they made a mistake and own up to it. In the last 3 years alone I have been witness to morons shooting into a herd of cows and bulls injuring many and killing at least two. They were reported and arrested. I have been witness to (2) two points taken and smuggled out during spike bull season, a cow elk shot by a guy riding an ATV (he was riding with a loaded gun and shot from the ATV), a 6 point bull left to die, either shot by mistake, on purpose or lost by the hunter. All reported but too late for the wardens to catch the culprits. All this in the course of the last 3 years! I won’t even go into all the ATV’s off green dot and legal roads, going cross country, etc. It’s flat out amazing all the illegal and unethical behavior going on out there. The fact this guy owned up to his mistake makes him hunter of the year (ok a slight exageration) when compared to the low life’s involved in the situations mentioned above. Whoever you are, thank you for doing the ethical thing and coming forward. Ok I feel better :stirthepot::yeah:
Post by: dreamunelk on November 23, 2011, 10:05:48 PM
Ok, I hate to get this revved up again but I just can remain quiet when I read all these self righteous posts ridiculing this guy for shooting an animal he should not have and then reporting himself to the authorities, dealing with the consequences all the while moving the elk closer to road and cleaning it so as not to waste the animal. I am just one hunter out here and I can tell you I have seen so many unethical things go on year after year in our hunting areas it is refreshing to have someone admit they made a mistake and own up to it. In the last 3 years alone I have been witness to morons shooting into a herd of cows and bulls injuring many and killing at least two. They were reported and arrested. I have been witness to (2) two points taken and smuggled out during spike bull season, a cow elk shot by a guy riding an ATV (he was riding with a loaded gun and shot from the ATV), a 6 point bull left to die, either shot by mistake, on purpose or lost by the hunter. All reported but too late for the wardens to catch the culprits. All this in the course of the last 3 years! I won’t even go into all the ATV’s off green dot and legal roads, going cross country, etc. It’s flat out amazing all the illegal and unethical behavior going on out there. The fact this guy owned up to his mistake makes him hunter of the year (ok a slight exageration) when compared to the low life’s involved in the situations mentioned above. Whoever you are, thank you for doing the ethical thing and coming forward. Ok I feel better :stirthepot:
x2 :yeah:
Post by: PA BEN on November 24, 2011, 08:11:22 AM
It is unlawful to aid or assist anyone in the commission of a game law violation.
8. Failure to tag properly:
It is illegal to use another hunter’s tag for an
animal you have killed. It is illegal for another
hunter to use your tag on an animal they have
killed (except under WAC 232-12-828).
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 24, 2011, 08:44:30 AM
Post by: Willis McGee on November 24, 2011, 09:01:01 AM
I also am not getting the party hunting reference :dunno:
party hunting is what lots of people do who buy their wives tags then fill them for them or neighbors tags etc....happens all the time....kinda a dumb law...
and it is possible the tag holder was running out of time and hadnt filled it...I'd think better to fill a tag than not :dunno:
This state depends heavily on honesty. That's the only way you can have over the counter tags for everyone that wants one. Tag success is an important statistic as well. If everybody tagged out, we wouldn't have any animals left. A good season in WA is when tag sales are up and hunter success is low. I would think hunters would frown upon husbands filling their wives (and kids) tags.
interesting since this is essentially what you are allowed to do for your family and elders :dunno:
I am new to hunting only been at it 3 years...I can say most my experiences prior were more about people filling freezers with meat and very little to do with size of racks etc....so yes I saw a lot of that and had no idea it was frowned upon let alone illegal....the tribes are not the only people who still hunt for subsistence rather than for trophy or "hunting" experience.
I wasn't trying to flame you. I was trying to point out that, although it seems like a dumb law, it is crutial to the way WDFW sets regulations, IMO.
Obviously you took more offense to "who said it" then "what was said". I'll mind my own business.
No I found it interesting that you of all people would find fault with the idea of filling someones freezer in the name of an agency who sets rules for me but not you? Seriously Coastal I am sort of surprised you find their or my law so crucial when you are not affected by it ....this is sort of like when we get told what you do doesnt have an effect....
It is a dumb law in my opinion...I have an empty freezer and a tag I couldnt fill in the time I had....I do not have an extended season I have one brief shot competing with hundreds of other people in a giant mess this state tries to pass off as hunting opportunity....
other states do not find party hunting at all distasteful :dunno: to me it is another somewhat dumb law that is almost never enforced unless its accidentally stumbled upon while happening....
If you and Coastal Native were hunting partners, then you could fill your freezers legally. Stop bickering and become hunting partners. :IBCOOL:
Post by: Arteman on November 24, 2011, 06:09:06 PM
Before I would pass judgement on the hunter being sure of what he was shooting at I would need to see the animal. At a distance, a lot of 2x2's look like 1x2's.let me get this right, you was just about shoot when somebody beat you to it, and upon reaching the elk you realized it wasn't legal so you turned him in?
Several years ago, a friend and myself watched a 2x2 for about 5 minutes at about 200 yards. We could tell that the left side was clearly a 2pt. After watching the elk for at least 5 minutes with binoculars and rifle scopes, we both decided that it was in fact a legal elk and were just about to shoot. About that time, another hunter crossed over a ridge from another direction and shot it. As we approached him, we could see him trying to break the antler with a rock. Once we got there, the guy was panicked and trying to hide the rock he was using to break the small antler point. The second point on the right side was about 1 1/4" long and pointed straight out to the side of the antler. Gamies were called and showed up on the scene. I'm not sure of the outcome other than the elk was loaded up into the gamies truck... He likely got a ticket and maybe more troubles as I'm sure they would have been more lenient with the guy had he not tried to bust the antler point off.
My point is, until we were there, we could not see the second point on the right side and were confident it was a 1x2. Fortunately for us, the other guy shot it before we did. So, I can see how someone can accidentally shoot a branched bull... depending on the particular bull in question.
Post by: Arteman on November 24, 2011, 06:16:16 PM
They all broke the law, the game's too. The meat could have gone to a jail or mission. But let someone else tag it and then wright the one who shot it a ticket. :bash:I agree, and they probably gave the tag holder 10 points for tagging it. Also curious if the poachers got points for turning in a poaching.
It is unlawful to aid or assist anyone in the commission of a game law violation.
8. Failure to tag properly:
It is illegal to use another hunter’s tag for an
animal you have killed. It is illegal for another
hunter to use your tag on an animal they have
killed (except under WAC 232-12-828).
Post by: Willis McGee on November 24, 2011, 06:24:51 PM
let me get this right, you was just about shoot when somebody beat you to it, and upon reaching the elk you realized it wasn't legal so you turned him in?
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Post by: xxlx7 on November 25, 2011, 06:48:38 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 25, 2011, 08:21:26 AM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on November 25, 2011, 07:45:05 PM
Sounds like being buddies with a game warden has its benifits.
Post by: adamR on November 25, 2011, 08:11:00 PM
That is the problem with the 10 points that you can get for turning in a poacher.... Now I doubt they got their 10 points because the guy would have probibally gotten a hunting big game in a closed unit violation or something like that, so they probibally just screwed the guy over for him making a mistake.. I have to say, mistakes do happen, if they dont happen to you, I'm going to call bs... Yes shooting a branched antlered bull when your in a spike unit only is something that is not that simple of a mistake, however a 1X2 with an inch and a quarter kicker would be something I'm sure alot of you preachers would end up accidentally shooting, you get bull fever, and can't see that kicker, its in the dirt. I agree with turning in POACHERS, however what happened to looking out for others? If you can see that a hunter was not intentionally shooting an illegal animal, and came up on him doing the right thing by not walking away, but cleaning it and had marked his tag, I would personally just walk away. No reason to screw the person over, if he gets caught, it will be his own fault, and through his stress of getting the animal out, he will learn a lesson more valuable then some dude begging to get 10 points.... Would it be nice to draw a moose tag or a nooksack elk tag, yes, personally for something like that I would feel guilty as crap for ruining some dudes hunting opportunities..so when this person who wasn't turned in for shooting an illegal animal makes it all the way home without getting in trouble and sees how easy it was to do the wrong thing, whats to stop him from doing it next year as well? But you wanted to be nice to someone you didn't know so now you are just as guilty as the hunter that didn't confirm his target... if you witness a buddy murder someone and don't do anything about it doesn't that make you an accompliss
Post by: xxlx7 on November 26, 2011, 01:08:19 PM
so when this person who wasn't turned in for shooting an illegal animal makes it all the way home without getting in trouble and sees how easy it was to do the wrong thing, whats to stop him from doing it next year as well? But you wanted to be nice to someone you didn't know so now you are just as guilty as the hunter that didn't confirm his target... if you witness a buddy murder someone and don't do anything about it doesn't that make you an accompliss
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goin from animals to humans, jumpin to extremes, but yes, I guess you would say i would make myself an "accompliss" because if any of my buddies murder someone, its going to be for a justifiable reason
Post by: Greg30-06 on November 27, 2011, 10:11:03 AM
READSBORO — Vermont State Police say a hunter was fatally shot and his distraught companion took his own life in Readsboro..
Detective Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says the deaths occurred Saturday shortly past noon in woods off of the Howe Pond Road. When troopers arrived they found 39-year-old Benjamin Birch and 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, both of Readsboro, dead from apparent gunshot wounds.
Police say Birch, Bolognani and a third man were hunting Saturday morning when Birch shot a deer. While the men were tracking it, Bolognani fired and heard Birch shout out. Bolognani found Birch shot and lying on the ground. Birch later died.
Police say distraught Bolognani used his rifle to take his own life.
There's no evidence of foul play.
Post by: patton1 on November 27, 2011, 10:35:29 AM
I know this was posted in another thread but it reiterates my point.Sounds exactly like what happened with the elk story. Good example. :dunno:
READSBORO — Vermont State Police say a hunter was fatally shot and his distraught companion took his own life in Readsboro..
Detective Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says the deaths occurred Saturday shortly past noon in woods off of the Howe Pond Road. When troopers arrived they found 39-year-old Benjamin Birch and 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, both of Readsboro, dead from apparent gunshot wounds.
Police say Birch, Bolognani and a third man were hunting Saturday morning when Birch shot a deer. While the men were tracking it, Bolognani fired and heard Birch shout out. Bolognani found Birch shot and lying on the ground. Birch later died.
Police say distraught Bolognani used his rifle to take his own life.
There's no evidence of foul play.