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Title: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Cascade_fisher on November 21, 2011, 07:10:35 PM
 :sry:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: MuleySniper on November 21, 2011, 07:15:57 PM
 :tup:
nice colors on that one!
ms
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: huntnphool on November 21, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
 :tup:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Rick on November 21, 2011, 07:20:52 PM
Nice fish,but I'd take that pic down. You buddy taking that wild fish out of the water is just a tad illegal.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Guy on November 21, 2011, 07:53:36 PM
Good Grief - that's a serious steelhead!  :tup:

Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 21, 2011, 07:56:48 PM
finger in the gills of a wild steelhead out of the water..... :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

helluva fish but :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 21, 2011, 08:17:13 PM
those fish are precious! not too many of them left around anymore. fish can swim off and die just like animals can run off and die. the guy had his the guy had his hand in the gill and there was no water dripping from the fish which would lead me to believe that fish was at the photoshoot for a while. thats whats RIDICULOUS. :tdown:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Rick on November 21, 2011, 08:30:04 PM

So much for sharing...

On second thought,feel free to put that pic back up. Who am I to tell you to take down a pic of your buddy blatantly breaking the law.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: 270Shooter on November 21, 2011, 09:48:55 PM
Put it up because I didnt get to see it :) Everyone knows there is no such thing as a true wind steelhead anyway these days :sry:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 22, 2011, 04:29:19 AM
I'd like to see some facts supporting that 270. But then again your right we might as well treat them all like hatchery fish... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: groundhog on November 22, 2011, 07:47:13 AM
I did not get to see the Steelie but we need to protect our wild Steelhead. You can still document the fish and capture a great memory without taking the fish out of the water. Here is a pic of a Alaskan leopard bow. You can let them breath and when the camera man is ready just lift enough to show the back and red stripe and "click" and then back in the water.
 After a long fight a fish needs to catch his breath. It would be just like if you ran a couple of laps around a track and then someone held you under the water and took pictures of you. Congrats on a nice fish!!


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Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Yelm hunter on November 28, 2011, 11:56:48 PM
Here is my buddy with a good fish from 11-11-11.  Skykomish River near Index caught on a yellow corkie.  Had to hit 'em in the face to get him to take it and we let him go.  Photos and memories  :tup:

Nice just saved this info with the pic that you had for evidence and turned it over to the wildlife officer with your screen name. I got all of your info from the site. Thanks for the Free points. Next time you might regret poaching... Expect a ticket in the mail sooner or later.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: winshooter88 on November 29, 2011, 12:15:53 AM
Sorry Yelm Hunter, points are only for big game violations. Can't get any for fishing violations. If you are serious about your post you really need to get some help.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Yelm hunter on November 29, 2011, 12:21:40 AM
Sorry Yelm Hunter, points are only for big game violations. Can't get any for fishing violations. If you are serious about your post you really need to get some help.

Don't worry I don't need to get any help.... I'm sick and tired of POACHERS AND SNAGGERS!! How about them Indians that through them big Triple Hooks over and snag your fish from you that you have been fighting for 15 mins thats 40lbs?? If you were in my shoes and fish as much as I do and own your own boats and guide service you would understand. Oh and don't worry I have plenty of clients that will say the say thing...
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: winshooter88 on November 29, 2011, 12:33:36 AM
Yelm Hunter, I don't like snaggers and poachers any moe than you do, unfortunatly we don't know if this guy was knowingly breaking the law or just stupid.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: teal101 on November 30, 2011, 02:42:02 PM
Yelm Hunter, I don't like snaggers and poachers any moe than you do, unfortunatly we don't know if this guy was knowingly breaking the law or just stupid.

Does it matter?  If you dont know the laws then dont fish.  That's like defending some guy for shooting a 2x1 elk in a true spike only :bash:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: kckrawler on November 30, 2011, 02:58:09 PM
Sorry Yelm Hunter, points are only for big game violations. Can't get any for fishing violations. If you are serious about your post you really need to get some help.

Don't worry I don't need to get any help.... I'm sick and tired of POACHERS AND SNAGGERS!! How about them Indians that through them big Triple Hooks over and snag your fish from you that you have been fighting for 15 mins thats 40lbs?? If you were in my shoes and fish as much as I do and own your own boats and guide service you would understand. Oh and don't worry I have plenty of clients that will say the say thing...

Some of the shadiest things I've seen hunting and fishing is when I've hired a guide. They're usually more concerned about making the client happy than following the rules.  :twocents: Not saying you're one of them...just saying  :tup:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Holg3107 on November 30, 2011, 03:04:47 PM
Remember he also stated that this wasnt his fish! it was his buddys. Pretty sure after the but whoopin hes taking reading this thread he wont pull another native steelhead out of the water. Educating people about how to handle fish is how things change, not going after them and "trying to get points." This seems like a situation where some possitive critical feedback could be usefull instead of barating a guy till he no longer wants to post photos or stories on this site for us to read. Cascade_Fisher: take the lesson learned here and pass it on anytime you see it on the river, wish I could have seen the picture!
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Rick on November 30, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
wish I could have seen the picture!

If you've seen one pic of a wild steelhead out of the water with a couple fingers stuck in it's gills,you've seen them all.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Call em in on November 30, 2011, 03:57:03 PM
Put the pic back up!  I wanna see the fish!
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 30, 2011, 05:04:45 PM
Rick,

Don't forget held at chest height above the rocks...
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: TheHunt on November 30, 2011, 05:09:25 PM
Please send me the picture I would love to see it.  Now that law was put in place last year from what I understand.  I understand how to treat a fish so that it lives.  But I still wonder if they went too far with this.  If you took it out for say 5 seconds then put it back in the water then release it would it still survive? 
But I still think the law does not work.  I was over at the Grande Ronde I found two dead steelhead in the water.  Now that place is 99% fly fisherman.  They take care of the fish way better then gear fishermen because only gear fishermen post pictures of fish out of the water.  So based on that, I think fly fisherman should be banned from using longer than 11 foot rods because they ware out the fish and they die with the longer rods.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 30, 2011, 05:49:56 PM
Please send me the picture I would love to see it.  Now that law was put in place last year from what I understand.  I understand how to treat a fish so that it lives.  But I still wonder if they went too far with this.  If you took it out for say 5 seconds then put it back in the water then release it would it still survive? 

the problem is there was no water dripping from the fish so just a quick pic is not what happened. the other problem is that the guy had his fingers in the gills and was holding it over the rocks at about upper stomach sternum height while he was standing on his feet. now, have you ever felt how strong a steelhead can be when it gets to squirming around? all it takes is half a second and that fish is falling onto sharp rocks from about 4 1/2' - 5' up. that would be like dropping you from 15' onto rocks after you just fought for your life and had no oxygen to breathe. to be honest there were things in the picture that would lead me to believe that fish was not released but im not gonna go there.

But I still think the law does not work.  I was over at the Grande Ronde I found two dead steelhead in the water.  Now that place is 99% fly fisherman.  They take care of the fish way better then gear fishermen because only gear fishermen post pictures of fish out of the water.  So based on that, I think fly fisherman should be banned from using longer than 11 foot rods because they ware out the fish and they die with the longer rods.

not quite sure how to take this but if your serious, everything about this is WAY off base.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: dscubame on November 30, 2011, 05:57:08 PM
You continue to be a piece of work Yelm.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: biggamehunter on November 30, 2011, 06:21:25 PM
WOW!! how about you guys just crucify him, holy cow!! Ill go get the lynchin rope you guys get his address......... cut the guy some slack, im sure he has learned his lesson. and about the holding the fish above the rocks with fingers in gils, if you want to play the what if game........ what if while you were holding the fish under water by its tale taking a safe appropriate picture a bald eagle came by and snagged it from your grasp. I could come up with crap like this all day!! and about the  comment of im not sure if the fish made it back in the water, i could just as easily sit here and say "im not sure that deer was shot in the daylight, or im not sure that elk wasnt on private property." Sorry to keep this thread alive but how about we quit beating this dead horse. get over it, whats done is done, I hope someone learned something and lets all move on


Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 30, 2011, 06:43:00 PM
none of those were good analogies :tdown: some of us happen to care a great deal for these wild summer runs ( and winters for that matter)
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: biggamehunter on November 30, 2011, 07:39:59 PM
I was kind of going for rediculous there bud. all im getting at is that maybe you should cut the guys some slack and not go around checking pictures for water droplets coming off of fish.  :tup:

by the way that fish in your picture probably didnt make it cause it looks like you had his head out of the water for an extended period of time during that photo shoot.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Yelm hunter on November 30, 2011, 07:54:20 PM
You continue to be a piece of work Yelm.

GO TO HELL!
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Yelm hunter on November 30, 2011, 07:57:07 PM
Please send me the picture I would love to see it.  Now that law was put in place last year from what I understand.  I understand how to treat a fish so that it lives.  But I still wonder if they went too far with this.  If you took it out for say 5 seconds then put it back in the water then release it would it still survive? 

the problem is there was no water dripping from the fish so just a quick pic is not what happened. the other problem is that the guy had his fingers in the gills and was holding it over the rocks at about upper stomach sternum height while he was standing on his feet. now, have you ever felt how strong a steelhead can be when it gets to squirming around? all it takes is half a second and that fish is falling onto sharp rocks from about 4 1/2' - 5' up. that would be like dropping you from 15' onto rocks after you just fought for your life and had no oxygen to breathe. to be honest there were things in the picture that would lead me to believe that fish was not released but im not gonna go there.

But I still think the law does not work.  I was over at the Grande Ronde I found two dead steelhead in the water.  Now that place is 99% fly fisherman.  They take care of the fish way better then gear fishermen because only gear fishermen post pictures of fish out of the water.  So based on that, I think fly fisherman should be banned from using longer than 11 foot rods because they ware out the fish and they die with the longer rods.

not quite sure how to take this but if your serious, everything about this is WAY off base.


Exactly that's why I'm so pissed and everyone else is pissed too... There are different rules and regs for guides!
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: h20hunter on November 30, 2011, 08:05:53 PM
How is this thread still going? Not really productive at this point.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 30, 2011, 08:37:48 PM
I was kind of going for rediculous there bud. all im getting at is that maybe you should cut the guys some slack and not go around checking pictures for water droplets coming off of fish.  :tup:

by the way that fish in your picture probably didnt make it cause it looks like you had his head out of the water for an extended period of time during that photo shoot.

you obviously have no idea how bad the wild steelhead in the snohomish system are doing. mark my words, they will NOT be around forever. this kind of thing really gets under my skin. as pressure keeps rising runs keep declining, as a matter of fact they keep declining so bad that wdfw feels like they have to keep closing the river earlier and earlier to protect them. we need to be doing everything we can to protect these fish and cherish them while they are still around. i love and have the utmost respect for these fish as they were some of the first steelhead i had ever caught and i have spent a lot of time chasing them. it deeply saddends me to see a fish of this caliber treated like that.

your posts show me how clueless you truly are on this subject :twocents:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: biggamehunter on November 30, 2011, 08:56:54 PM
I understand the situation. but im sure that you arent perfect neither am i, and unless you were there standing right next to the guy to witness him loading that fish up dont even throw that accusation out there that it may not have made it back in the water. and instead of sitting here and bashing this one guy how about you put your time to better use and instead of talking about doing something to help these fish you actually DO IT!!! Maybe informing this guy more politely would have taught him something and then he could pass the knowledge on to others. But hey lets just threatin him and tell him we are going to the WDFW (not saying you did this button nubs).
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: h20hunter on November 30, 2011, 09:08:46 PM
 :beatdeadhorse:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: biggamehunter on November 30, 2011, 09:13:17 PM
:beatdeadhorse:

I agree its time for me to drop this one. Its just so boring here at work! gotta spend my time doing something. lol  :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 30, 2011, 09:17:40 PM
did you even see the pic? that fish had the infamous "dead eye" and what looked like a bruise on its side. google "wild steelhead pics" pay attention to their eyes, the ones that are still alive are looking down to some extent. the fish in the pic had that lifeless eye, looking straight out of the side of its head. as a matter of fact i just went through a bunch of my pics and none of the live steelhead i have pictures of have the deadeye look that the bonked ones do, once you see it enough its easy to spot. maybe i shouldnt have said it but i dont really care.

 i have DONE IT more than a few times by the way. :tup:

:beatdeadhorse:

edit: agreed. done.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: biggamehunter on November 30, 2011, 09:22:58 PM
I did not see the pic. nor am i an expert angler i just get worked up when people start assuming or accuing others drives me almost as nuts as the people that poach,jig, blame the natives immediately, and the ones that complain about the "wetsiders"  :chuckle: . by the way me and my grandfather in law slayed the steelehead on the little salmon in idaho a couple weeks ago. that was a blast. cant wait to do it again. I love that area!! outdoorsmans heaven i say!!
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 30, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
Even if it does swim off, if it has been stressed out enough (according to fisheries bios) it probably won't spawn (successfully anyways).  So in that case it is just as good as dead. 
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on November 30, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
I did not see the pic. nor am i an expert angler i just get worked up when people start assuming or accuing others drives me almost as nuts as the people that poach,jig, blame the natives immediately, and the ones that complain about the "wetsiders"  :chuckle: . by the way me and my grandfather in law slayed the steelehead on the little salmon in idaho a couple weeks ago. that was a blast. cant wait to do it again. I love that area!! outdoorsmans heaven i say!!

understandable. i just get worked up when i see things like this.

Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: stickbuck on December 03, 2011, 10:24:24 AM
Not true. It is the wdfw officer's discretion as to whether he submits you for a points request for points to be given out. Officers have told me that if the case is big or there are multiple violations on multiple days that points could and would be highly considered.


Sorry Yelm Hunter, points are only for big game violations. Can't get any for fishing violations. If you are serious about your post you really need to get some help.

Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: xxlx7 on December 04, 2011, 12:18:47 PM
wanna know why people won't share a good experience with anyone.. HOLLY CRAP I didn't know there were so many internet police on here..... I wish I coulda seen that fish picture, sounds like it was a good one.. As far as everyone else, this is part of whats wrong with society, everybody has to call Jonny law so they can try to benifit from something instead of just sayin, dude be careful........
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 04, 2011, 01:14:38 PM
Woosah... I'm really trying h20hunter. Woosah...
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Rick on December 04, 2011, 05:28:11 PM
Woosah... I'm really trying h20hunter. Woosah...

Why hold back? Sometimes a dead horse needs to be beaten. Until these idiots get it in their thick skull,that wild steelhead are on the verge of extinction in Washington state,they'll have to get their feelings hurt in threads like these.

Once these fish are gone,they're gone...as in FOREVER!
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: WSU on December 05, 2011, 09:37:35 AM
Woosah... I'm really trying h20hunter. Woosah...

Why hold back? Sometimes a dead horse needs to be beaten. Until these idiots get it in their thick skull,that wild steelhead are on the verge of extinction in Washington state,they'll have to get their feelings hurt in threads like these.

Once these fish are gone,they're gone...as in FOREVER!

Agreed.  People complain about beating a dead horse, but then people still post pictures showing they have zero ability to correctly handle fish that must be released.  People should, and will, continue to comment on poor handling technique as long as people continue to have poor handling technique.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: teal101 on December 05, 2011, 09:45:44 AM
wanna know why people won't share a good experience with anyone.. HOLLY CRAP I didn't know there were so many internet police on here..... I wish I coulda seen that fish picture, sounds like it was a good one.. As far as everyone else, this is part of whats wrong with society, everybody has to call Jonny law so they can try to benifit from something instead of just sayin, dude be careful........

If you consider a good experience breaking the law, I dont want to know what you consider a bad experience.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: JODakota on December 05, 2011, 10:33:23 AM

wanna know why people won't share a good experience with anyone.. HOLLY CRAP I didn't know there were so many internet police on here..... I wish I coulda seen that fish picture, sounds like it was a good one.. As far as everyone else, this is part of whats wrong with society, everybody has to call Jonny law so they can try to benifit from something instead of just sayin, dude be careful........

If you consider a good experience breaking the law, I dont want to know what you consider a bad experience.
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 :yeah:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 05, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
I agree with all of the above. I have been pretty vocal about this thread. Since this is predominantly
A hunting site I don't think a lot of people know or care about these issues. Put that kind of pic up on anyone of the fishing forums and they would eat you alive.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: FC on December 05, 2011, 12:24:47 PM
While I agree with you Button Nubbs (I never saw the picture) it does sound like poor handling technique was used here you really don't teach the guy anything by jumping all over his ass.

So far I am pretty sure the guy knows he would get turned in for sharing what was obviously to him a treasured moment and would get his birthday taken away and tarred and feathered too if people around here could manage it in between time spent tying the noose. Try just teaching people the right way to do things instead of just immediately alienating them, the damage was already done at the time this pic was taken...
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 05, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
While I agree with you Button Nubbs (I never saw the picture) it does sound like poor handling technique was used here you really don't teach the guy anything by jumping all over his ass.

So far I am pretty sure the guy knows he would get turned in for sharing what was obviously to him a treasured moment and would get his birthday taken away and tarred and feathered too if people around here could manage it in between time spent tying the noose. Try just teaching people the right way to do things instead of just immediately alienating them, the damage was already done at the time this pic was taken...

i never said anything about turning the guy in. :dunno: this regulation is nothing new, if memory serves me correct it was put into place in 2004 or 2005, cant recall the exact year. i really dont give a shi+ if the guy feels like an ass, or is pissed off from me blasting him. what if i went out and shot a deer but couldnt find it in an area that used to be open but isnt now? sure, maybe it lived, maybe it didnt. you think id get blasted for that type of thing on here, or you think people would educate me on what i shouldnt have done? thats really no different in my book. ignorance is no excuse espically when its in black and white. :twocents:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: xxlx7 on December 05, 2011, 04:46:39 PM
My big thing about this entire thread is did he break a law, yes, but seriously.. I bet every single one of you that are preachin about how he broke a law, breaks a law every day, we all do. there are to many stupid laws that affect all sorts of stupid things. That's all I am saying. No reason to be Jonny law on here when we already have to deal with that everywhere we go... Hell I am probibally breaking a law by calling the police Jonny law... Also, how do we know it was a native, I know hatcheries don't mark every fish they release, prime example is the Samish River and the numbers of steelhead they release on it.... And I know I have mishandled plenty of fish, but I bet not all of them died.....
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: 87Ford on December 05, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
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Put that kind of pic up on anyone of the fishing forums and they would eat you alive.
That is for sure!

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there are to many stupid laws that affect all sorts of stupid things.
I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure keeping wild steelhead in the water and carefully releasing them is a "stupid law".  Wild steelhead are in a lot of trouble.  Glad I was able to enjoy them back in the good old days. 
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 05, 2011, 05:41:11 PM
My big thing about this entire thread is did he break a law, yes, but seriously.. I bet every single one of you that are preachin about how he broke a law, breaks a law every day, we all do. there are to many stupid laws that affect all sorts of stupid things. That's all I am saying. No reason to be Jonny law on here when we already have to deal with that everywhere we go... Hell I am probibally breaking a law by calling the police Jonny law... Also, how do we know it was a native, I know hatcheries don't mark every fish they release, prime example is the Samish River and the numbers of steelhead they release on it.... And I know I have mishandled plenty of fish, but I bet not all of them died.....

not a stupid law at all. sure 1 mishandled fish that dies wont be a problem in a healthy system but the skykomish is FAR from being healthy. the skykomish is currently at 1-2% of historical runs. so today, that one fish could mean alot.
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: duchunter on December 05, 2011, 07:35:27 PM
You have got to be kidding me... with all the news about how bad the Steelheading has been and will be and the fact that the Native Runs are in a bunch of trouble and on top of that your handle is "Cascade_fisher" you don't know the laws of not taking a wild fish out of the water?????????????? That is just plain ignorance on your behalf!
Well good luck with the rest of your season!
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: Hunting7mm on December 05, 2011, 07:42:38 PM
Ok I think he knows he did wrong.  I don't believe he's going to do it again.  Everyone here explained the rules and thats what were here for.  To stick together as sportsman and help each other out.   :tup:
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: duchunter on December 05, 2011, 07:46:28 PM
My big thing about this entire thread is did he break a law, yes, but seriously.. I bet every single one of you that are preachin about how he broke a law, breaks a law every day, we all do. there are to many stupid laws that affect all sorts of stupid things. That's all I am saying. No reason to be Jonny law on here when we already have to deal with that everywhere we go... Hell I am probibally breaking a law by calling the police Jonny law... Also, how do we know it was a native, I know hatcheries don't mark every fish they release, prime example is the Samish River and the numbers of steelhead they release on it.... And I know I have mishandled plenty of fish, but I bet not all of them died.....

Well his screen name is "Cascade_fisher" so I would take that as he should no the Laws of fishing.............
Title: Re: BIG Skykomish Steely
Post by: esh on December 05, 2011, 07:50:38 PM
And the bashing continues   :o
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: GEARHEAD on December 05, 2011, 11:28:13 PM
Guess its true, a picture says a thousand words, and frankly none of them mean sh!t.  wanna decrease mortality of caught wild fish, then stop targeting wild fish and playing them with flyrods because it takes too long to land them. its a stupid statement, and i disagree with it, even though i said it, and even if its true, its about as stupid as bashing a guy for a picture of a fish with all your "Fish CSI experience" even though you know not a damn thing about it and weren't there.  ahhhhhhh i feel soooo much better. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Ranger91298 on December 06, 2011, 12:04:34 AM
I am not a big fisherman as many of the board members posting on here are. I can see how the fisherman are all "fired" up about this gentlemen posting pictures of an illegal fish. I know I personally would be "fired" up if someone posted an illegal big game animal on here since I am a hunter. I really don't think the guy knew what he was doing or else the pictures would have not been put up; ignorance on his part. But; I think the point has been made that he made a mistake so I don't see how continuing to rub the dudes face in the mud is going to help. If these fish are so close to being extinct then why doesn't the state do more to protect them? I think that the state should adopt some sort of program that Montana has for the identification of bear in their state. If a person plans on fishing a certain lake, stream or river he/she should have to take a fish identity test so they know the difference. If they can't pass the test then they don't fish.  :twocents:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: huntnnw on December 06, 2011, 06:54:03 AM
That cracks me up about fly guys who think they are the ultimate fisherman and the attitude they carry, but yet they hook salmon and steelhead and play the chit out of them!! DEAD fish! when released
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: boneaddict on December 06, 2011, 07:26:36 AM
Unfortunatly the "fish CSI was right", the fish was dead and you can tell by their eyes almost %100 of the time on salmonids and steelhead.  A photo is worth a 1000 words.  I hope the lesson about killing the fish was learned, and not the lesson, oh I shouldn't share on the internet.  As for the conversation about fly guys versus gear fisherman, I think for the most part thats just plain dumb and someone looking for a fight.

Lets protect the resource folks.   

Groundhog.  THAT WAS AN AWESOME FISH.  Way to document a treasure.   
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: TheHunt on December 06, 2011, 08:24:18 AM
That cracks me up about fly guys who think they are the ultimate fisherman and the attitude they carry, but yet they hook salmon and steelhead and play the chit out of them!! DEAD fish! when released

I saw two of them on Grande Ronde a few weeks ago.  My comment about making it illegal for fly rods over 11 feet was facetious in nature. But many of the fly fisherman are playing the fish wayyyyyyyyyy to long.   I could not agree more with Huntnnw. 
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: teal101 on December 06, 2011, 08:39:56 AM
It's just funny to see the two sides of this forum.  When someone posts about a guy misidentifying a big game animal and killing it the entire forum wants a lynch mob.  Same thing when a guy shoots 8 ducks instead of 7, lynch him he's destroying the resource.  But with fish it's different, after all they're just fish right?  Breaking the law is breaking the law.  Sure a lot of us do break laws every day.  Turns with no turn signals in our cars, slightly over the speed limit, etc.  It doesn't make it right, just like how lifting a wild fish out of the water isn't right.  People do it all the time unfortunately, but those who know the laws and don't are the true stewards of the land who know the laws in order to protect the resource.

/soapbox
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 06, 2011, 09:18:00 AM
how is this now turning into a fly vs gear fisherman debate? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

 
I am not a big fisherman as many of the board members posting on here are. I can see how the fisherman are all "fired" up about this gentlemen posting pictures of an illegal fish. I know I personally would be "fired" up if someone posted an illegal big game animal on here since I am a hunter. I really don't think the guy knew what he was doing or else the pictures would have not been put up; ignorance on his part. But; I think the point has been made that he made a mistake so I don't see how continuing to rub the dudes face in the mud is going to help. If these fish are so close to being extinct then why doesn't the state do more to protect them? I think that the state should adopt some sort of program that Montana has for the identification of bear in their state. If a person plans on fishing a certain lake, stream or river he/she should have to take a fish identity test so they know the difference. If they can't pass the test then they don't fish.  :twocents:

the state is doing more to protect them. the want to shut down the river earlier and earlier every few years.
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: TheHunt on December 06, 2011, 10:56:32 AM
Because some yah hoo put that in his response in page 2 of the thread.  And we are off on another tanget.   :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: WSU on December 06, 2011, 01:32:01 PM
The picture, which apparently included the dude's hands in the gills with a nearly dead fish, is the exact reason the law was enacted.  If people were capable of responsibly handling fish (not having hands in gills, only out of the water for a few brief seconds, not dragging them on the beach or dropping them in the boat, etc) then there would be no law.  But, people are either unaware of the harm or don't care.  So, we now have a law in an attempt to prevent the very thing that has people upset.  Personally, I wish people could act responsibly and that I could take a native out of the water for a 2 second photo of such awesome fish.  I cannot do so legally thanks to others who screwed it up for the rest of us.

I do think that some of these instances are the result of people who just don't know better.  Not everyone was born knowing the proper way to handle a fish. 
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: teal101 on December 06, 2011, 02:48:26 PM
how is this now turning into a fly vs gear fisherman debate? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


Fly fishers are a bunch of cigar smoking, wine drinking, homosexual yuppies :tup:

Just carrying on the debate :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 06, 2011, 02:55:11 PM
Whew... Glad I'm a gear fisherman... :tup:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: rasbo on December 06, 2011, 03:03:11 PM
nothing or nobody is safe from bashing ...I cannot wait till Im perfect and without flaws..I Know, why wait, not gonna happen :bash: :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: CountryslickR on December 06, 2011, 06:40:01 PM
The picture, which apparently included the dude's hands in the gills with a nearly dead fish, is the exact reason the law was enacted.  If people were capable of responsibly handling fish (not having hands in gills, only out of the water for a few brief seconds, not dragging them on the beach or dropping them in the boat, etc) then there would be no law.  But, people are either unaware of the harm or don't care.  So, we now have a law in an attempt to prevent the very thing that has people upset.  Personally, I wish people could act responsibly and that I could take a native out of the water for a 2 second photo of such awesome fish.  I cannot do so legally thanks to others who screwed it up for the rest of us.

I do think that some of these instances are the result of people who just don't know better.  Not everyone was born knowing the proper way to handle a fish.

Just handle the fish properly and with care, hold it so the head and gill plates are still in the water, quick pic, then its back to nature...your absolutely right about that the law is for the people that drag the fish up on the rocks and then kick them back....a short fight, proper handling and a quick pic will not kill a strong "wild" fish....and yes, the eyes do tell the story in a pic...
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: huntnnw on December 06, 2011, 10:21:17 PM
how is this now turning into a fly vs gear fisherman debate? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


Fly fishers are a bunch of cigar smoking, wine drinking, homosexual yuppies :tup:

Just carrying on the debate :chuckle:

isnt that the truth
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: CountryslickR on December 08, 2011, 09:41:57 PM
how is this now turning into a fly vs gear fisherman debate? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


Fly fishers are a bunch of cigar smoking, wine drinking, homosexual yuppies :tup:

Just carrying on the debate :chuckle:

isnt that the truth

LOL!!! Specially the ones that guide on waters that aren't their local waters and think they own the place! or are completely rude at the takeouts....lol...but yes, you do speak the truth!
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: 7mmfan on December 08, 2011, 10:49:22 PM
I don't konw why i'm even bothering adding my two cents to this, but I feel compelled.  For everyone out there that is fly-ignorant, a 10' 8 weight fly rod is about the same strength as a 10' med - med/hvy spinning or bait casting rod. Now being one of those lowly GUIDES that everyone is talking about, I can add input from both sides. I have guided both gear and fly anglers and to this day still fish with either technique depending on the day, location, and species pursued (of course its easier to fling a float rig with a spinning rod when you drank too much pinot the night before  :tup: ).

I will admit that many guys with a fly rod in their hand to tend to fight fish for to long, but I think it has more to do with the number of fish that they have actually caught on that rod and their knowledge of how much pressure they actually can put on the fish. I've caught well over 1000 steelhead and about 1/4 of those have been on fly rods. I can land a 12# wild buck just as fast with a fly rod as I can with a bait casting rod and definitely faster than I can with a spinning rod, but that is because I have caught many,and know the limitations of my rod, leader, knots and hooks. You have to admit that most anglers we see on the river (both gear and fly anglers) probably play their fish too long because most of them have caught very few of these fish and its almost a day ending experience when one gets away.

In the future, rather than crucifying someone on the river for playing their fish too long, put YOUR rod down and go help them out. They may be a novice and need some pointers. You want people to know how to handle fish correctly and not play them to long? Then teach them! That was and is my favorite part about being guide is seeing that AHA! moment when someone figures it out. . . oh and tying up the launch on a river 500 miles from my house while I tie a custom nymphing leader onto my 11' Sage switch rod, while smoking a cigar and airing out my second bottle of cabernet.  Thanks guys!
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: CountryslickR on December 08, 2011, 11:11:10 PM
Great response! I actually love fly fishing on the Henry's Fork and rivers of the like (for beautiful browns and bows), but you are right, the majority of the people playing fish too long are inexperienced....I am a guide supporter, they bring money to the resources and interest to the great sport of fishing/hunting to people that may otherwise not partake, but there is something to be said for a guide that is polite, curtious and friendly.......i am friends with a handful of guides in-state, and out, including bc..and for the most part around Wa if you are fishing with gear and a fly guide comes near, they act like you are the vale....haha...tight lines!! hope everyone is catching steel!!
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: biggamehunter on December 09, 2011, 02:59:35 AM
You can definately tell that we are getting hard up for some new threads.  :chuckle: :chuckle: This thing is ancient.
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: rasbo on December 09, 2011, 04:43:09 AM
time tested,never fails
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: bearpaw on December 09, 2011, 05:16:01 AM
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: boneaddict on December 09, 2011, 06:57:16 AM
Good ole' Rasbo.    :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: rasbo on December 09, 2011, 07:35:40 AM
I have had only one bad run in with fly fishermen,,I was 15, my cuz and I headed out to minidka {small town in Idaho}close to where we lived [Rupert}From there We headed out across the desert to fish the little wood river,killer brown fishing we heard..So we head across the desert so we could call dogs on the long ass dirty bumpy ass rd there.About 150 miles{really about 30} but ruff going..So we get to the river, grab the worms, hook up and start fishing,in no time at all we each had a few nice browns.Then out of nowhere there is a guy and he is fly fishing towards us on the otherside of the river..He yells at us that this is fly fishing only..My cuz and I look at each other,put on another worm and cast out..Fish on!!!The guy starts screaming he is going to call the game warden..Well I said, by the time you get to a phone and he comes out here it will be about 5 hrs.My cuz catches a fish as Im discussing the logistics of a game warden making it out here with his holyness the fly guy...We gathererd up our limit of browns and headed back to town..They should have signs on both sides of the river,LOL    Probably what bothered me the most was this guy was real pretty,neat, no dust at all on him,He was only a few yrds from the paved rd on his side of the river fishing..Yet we treked across the high desert,bumpy dirty,dusty for miles to soak a worm.And Im sure what bothered him the most was those free night crawlers we dug up were nailing the fish and what ever he was tossing was not getting the job done.....off topic but this thread brought back some good memories..
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Wazukie on December 09, 2011, 07:36:11 AM
I figure catch'um, smack'um, gut'm an eat'um.  If I cant do that then I aint gunna fish fer'um. :dunno:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: teal101 on December 09, 2011, 08:53:00 AM
I don't konw why i'm even bothering adding my two cents to this, but I feel compelled.  For everyone out there that is fly-ignorant, a 10' 8 weight fly rod is about the same strength as a 10' med - med/hvy spinning or bait casting rod. Now being one of those lowly GUIDES that everyone is talking about, I can add input from both sides. I have guided both gear and fly anglers and to this day still fish with either technique depending on the day, location, and species pursued (of course its easier to fling a float rig with a spinning rod when you drank too much pinot the night before  :tup: ).

I will admit that many guys with a fly rod in their hand to tend to fight fish for to long, but I think it has more to do with the number of fish that they have actually caught on that rod and their knowledge of how much pressure they actually can put on the fish. I've caught well over 1000 steelhead and about 1/4 of those have been on fly rods. I can land a 12# wild buck just as fast with a fly rod as I can with a bait casting rod and definitely faster than I can with a spinning rod, but that is because I have caught many,and know the limitations of my rod, leader, knots and hooks. You have to admit that most anglers we see on the river (both gear and fly anglers) probably play their fish too long because most of them have caught very few of these fish and its almost a day ending experience when one gets away.

In the future, rather than crucifying someone on the river for playing their fish too long, put YOUR rod down and go help them out. They may be a novice and need some pointers. You want people to know how to handle fish correctly and not play them to long? Then teach them! That was and is my favorite part about being guide is seeing that AHA! moment when someone figures it out. . . oh and tying up the launch on a river 500 miles from my house while I tie a custom nymphing leader onto my 11' Sage switch rod, while smoking a cigar and airing out my second bottle of cabernet.  Thanks guys!

I think the action of the rod is what makes people perceive that fly anglers play the fish too long.  Most spinning outfits are going to be fast or x-fast while fly setups are more moderate to slow.  Casts an illusion of a weak low power rod.
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Alchase on December 09, 2011, 12:57:40 PM
For everyone out there that is fly-ignorant, a 10' 8 weight fly rod is about the same strength as a 10' med - med/hvy spinning or bait casting rod.

There in lies the problem with fly fishing,
you loose inches before you even start fishing ............. off your pole that is.  :stirthepot:

 :fishin:

LOL
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Stickerbush on December 09, 2011, 06:10:26 PM
I figure catch'um, smack'um, gut'm an eat'um.  If I cant do that then I aint gunna fish fer'um. :dunno:

so true...most of the time ;)
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: fast60eddie on December 10, 2011, 05:49:33 PM
Can O' worms nothin!~
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: TheHunt on December 10, 2011, 10:01:00 PM
I knew this was going to go sides way.  7mmfan...  Do not take anything on this site to seriously. 

The comment about cigar, gay, etc..  Was just to provide additional oxygen to the flame.     :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Encore 280 on December 10, 2011, 10:52:37 PM
Ok, let's make it really go sideways now.  :chuckle: The damn sea lions and gillnets don't care if they're wild or not. :sry:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2011, 07:20:20 AM
That won't add much flame.... you need to strike to the heart of it.   All of the 509 er flyfishers are ok, its all the westside ones that are tree humpin cigar smoking dweebs.   :chuckle:   Anyone that drives a subaru or a Beemer to the fishing spot.......








Dsiclaimer....... Not making light of the matter.  Please leave all wild fish in the water.   all cigars were extinguished in a proper manner before photo was taken.  All orange vests were removed prior to photos and no trees were harmed after said humpings, all worms photo'd in cans or backs of pick up trucks were props...Irepeat no worms were harmed in this huntwa photoshoot.Know the rules
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: 400out on December 11, 2011, 07:27:50 AM
That won't add much flame.... you need to strike to the heart of it.   All of the 509 er flyfishers are ok, its all the westside ones that are tree humpin cigar smoking dweebs.   :chuckle:   Anyone that drives a subaru or a Beemer to the fishing spot.......








Dsiclaimer....... Not making light of the matter.  Please leave all wild fish in the water.   all cigars were extinguished in a proper manner before photo was taken.  All orange vests were removed prior to photos and no trees were harmed after said humpings, all worms photo'd in cans or backs of pick up trucks were props...Irepeat no worms were harmed in this huntwa photoshoot.Know the rules
Hey! I resemble that remark! My favorite hunt rig ia  a suberu impreza no shock s in the back  on eheadlight out and get 35 miles to the gallon! Might not always make it home but I take the chance to save a buck for the kids shoes  ;)
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2011, 07:29:29 AM
One headlight is OK.  That signals you have enough redneck in you....
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: 400out on December 11, 2011, 07:33:49 AM
Close! what signals is that you just get out and tap on it with the bottom of your bottle to turn it on if anyone special would like to see ;)  :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: JODakota on December 11, 2011, 01:47:50 PM
That won't add much flame.... you need to strike to the heart of it.   All of the 509 er flyfishers are ok, its all the westside ones that are tree humpin cigar smoking dweebs.   :chuckle:   Anyone that drives a subaru or a Beemer to the fishing spot.......


Damn bone you hit the nail on the head. I'm an eastside fly guy and the west siders that come over here are always in a subaru wagon ore a beemer lol. Not the most pleasant guys either especially when they see you keep.





Dsiclaimer....... Not making light of the matter.  Please leave all wild fish in the water.   all cigars were extinguished in a proper manner before photo was taken.  All orange vests were removed prior to photos and no trees were harmed after said humpings, all worms photo'd in cans or backs of pick up trucks were props...Irepeat no worms were harmed in this huntwa photoshoot.Know the rules

Damn bone you hit the nail on the head. I'm an eastside fly guy and the west siders that come over here are always in a subaru wagon ore a beemer lol. Not the most pleasant guys either especially when they see you keep.
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: runamuk on December 11, 2011, 02:33:34 PM
For everyone out there that is fly-ignorant, a 10' 8 weight fly rod is about the same strength as a 10' med - med/hvy spinning or bait casting rod.

There in lies the problem with fly fishing,
you loose inches before you even start fishing ............. off your pole that is.  :stirthepot:

 :fishin:

LOL

ok so was it just me or was that damn funny  :chuckle: :dunno:

Ok, let's make it really go sideways now.  :chuckle: The damn sea lions and gillnets don't care if they're wild or not. :sry:

thats kinda what I was thinking back in the first page...ummm those of us who follow the rules with care really are douing it to make ourselves feel better because gillnets, sealions and natives can kill em all  :dunno:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: TheHunt on December 11, 2011, 03:24:36 PM

Fly fishers are a bunch of cigar smoking, wine drinking, homosexual yuppies :tup:

Just carrying on the debate :chuckle:

Traditional black powder hunters are egotistical cigar smoking homosexuals who drink water with their pinky finger up...    :tup:    :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2011, 03:35:47 PM

Fly fishers are a bunch of cigar smoking, wine drinking, homosexual yuppies :tup:

Just carrying on the debate :chuckle:

Traditional black powder hunters are egotistical cigar smoking homosexuals who drink water with their pinky finger up...    :tup:    :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:


Traditional black powder hunters are egotistical    Guilty as Charged.  :tup:
cigar smoking    Sorry never picked up that habit
homosexuals   Sorry I have never met any of your Friends!! :chuckle:
drink water with their pinky finger up... Guilty, But it was one of the things my Grandma insisted on at the dinner table, But if that's the worst fault I have. I'm ok with it!   :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 11, 2011, 03:36:32 PM
 :chuckle: :chuckle:  I heard there is a new movie in the making.....called Brokeback River.  It is about flyfishing and ... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: runamuk on December 11, 2011, 03:43:00 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle:  I heard there is a new movie in the making.....called Brokeback River.  It is about flyfishing and ... :chuckle: :chuckle:
I will totally go see that one  :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: JODakota on December 11, 2011, 03:43:39 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle:  I heard there is a new movie in the making.....called Brokeback River.  It is about flyfishing and ... :chuckle: :chuckle:

Bahahahahahahaha I just spit out all my water that I was drinking (pinky up of course) all over my computer when I read that. That was hilarious. I gear fish to a lot more lately than ever :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: TheHunt on December 11, 2011, 04:12:27 PM
Now that was pretty funny...  Brokeback flyman
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Encore 280 on December 11, 2011, 04:19:42 PM
 :chuckle:I was just trying to draw attention from that poor ignert bassturd that started this mess!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: Did it work?
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: rasbo on December 11, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
prefered beverage of fly fishermen
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: fast60eddie on December 11, 2011, 08:49:11 PM
 :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :bdid:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: rasbo on December 11, 2011, 08:52:51 PM
all in fun :chuckle:,actually I would love to learn it,I tend to snap the flies. when I try..I use to love watching a friend of mines father fish with flies..
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: CountryslickR on December 11, 2011, 09:12:18 PM
all in fun :chuckle:,actually I would love to learn it,I tend to snap the flies. when I try..I use to love watching a friend of mines father fish with flies..

 Im with ya, kiddin aside, it is fun and you should learn! Its like anything else, one bad apple for a "group" of people can leave a bad taste in your mouth, the majority of fly fisherman are kind and have the best intentions......but there is nothin like havin the rod slam down while pullin plugs right in front of a fly guide while they're having lunch on your home river!! haha!  :tup: :dunno: :chuckle: :tung:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: Wenatcheejay on December 11, 2011, 09:13:55 PM
You guys are crazy. The whole bag of you!
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: teal101 on December 12, 2011, 10:13:31 AM
all in fun :chuckle:,actually I would love to learn it,I tend to snap the flies. when I try..I use to love watching a friend of mines father fish with flies..

I'm actually going to try and pick it up this spring.  We'll see if I have enough yuppy in me :chuckle:
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: runamuk on December 12, 2011, 10:21:05 AM
Can O' worms nothin!~

and I want this little truck even if it has worms...its darn cute
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: WSU on December 12, 2011, 10:23:45 AM
Go easy on the dudes that drive subaru wagons.  Mine is an elk and deer hauling machine!
Title: Re: BIg Bash Continues
Post by: teal101 on December 12, 2011, 10:27:24 AM
Go easy on the dudes that drive subaru wagons.  Mine is an elk and deer hauling machine!

My girlfriend has a coupe so I'm off the hook :chuckle:
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