Post by: TheHunt on November 25, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
http://www.gamefishin.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=32724 (http://www.gamefishin.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=32724)
Post by: wraithen on November 25, 2011, 11:24:04 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 25, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 26, 2011, 02:44:47 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 26, 2011, 03:49:21 AM
Post by: colockumelk on November 26, 2011, 05:07:53 AM
Yeah iT all depends on the person ...my longest shot was @ 70 yrds and foggy .....never heard the arrow hit but the elk took off hard to the left ...so I waited about 25 min or so walked out there and blood everywhere ...went about 60 yrds and there he layed ... it was awesome to see him laying there !!!no doubt the bows now are definately capable of doing it :tup:
Just think if you would have had a better broad head he only would have went 30 yards. :chuckle:
Post by: big wood on November 26, 2011, 06:49:02 AM
Post by: PA BEN on November 26, 2011, 07:24:52 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on November 26, 2011, 07:27:50 AM
IT'S COOL TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT THAT FAR, BUT TO MANY VARIABLES CAN HAPPEN. A QUARTER INCH CAN BE TWO FEET, AND I FEEL YOU OWE IT TO THE ANIMAL TO MAKE AS PERFECT OF A SHOT AS YOU CAN. ALL MY ARCHERY BULLS HAVE BEEN WITHIN 40 YARDS. WOULD HE HAVE TAKEN THE SHOT IF IT WAS A BULL? GLAD HE GOT HER BECAUSE IF HE WOUNDED HER HE COULD HAVE KILLED 2 ELK!!!!:yeah:
Post by: longknife on November 26, 2011, 07:54:35 AM
It looks like it worked out for him, congrats to the hunter!
Post by: DaveBTS on November 26, 2011, 08:19:30 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 26, 2011, 08:33:51 AM
Post by: jnevs23 on November 26, 2011, 09:35:21 AM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on November 26, 2011, 10:37:01 AM
As for my reaction, I am glad the shot was a clean kill! A lot of people can sink those shots just fine, but their chance of wounding an animal is obviously higher than a shot taken at say 50. I personally don't shoot past about 30-35 yards, but that is just because I know I am a pretty poor shot past that. If Ive got my recurve ill limit to 20 yards max. Everybody is different. I know a guy who put an arrow in the heart on a mule deer doe from 90 yards.
Post by: longknife on November 26, 2011, 10:51:54 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 26, 2011, 11:52:27 AM
You know what would impress me more? A 10 yard shot:yeah:Thats why you become a bowhunter ...the ability to get close and make a clean kill !!!!!! :tup: :tup:
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 26, 2011, 12:20:41 PM
You know what would impress me more? A 10 yard shot:yeah:Thats why you become a bowhunter ...the ability to get close and make a clean kill !!!!!! :tup: :tup:
Sure, whatever. Maybe I should ditch the rifle and bow. Hide out in tree's and drop bowling balls on animals heads from 12' or so up. Better yet how about I sell everything and just hunt with a bottle of Jack and a fast moving 3/4 pickup. No, no, better yet I will strip down naked and coat myself in axle grease, slither through the brush like a viper and hypnotize them, then order them to the butcher. Once there I'll finish it with a Easton aluminum bat at 2 1/2 feet.
COME ON!!! :o
Post by: colockumelk on November 26, 2011, 12:52:34 PM
You know what would impress me more? A 10 yard shot:yeah:Thats why you become a bowhunter ...the ability to get close and make a clean kill !!!!!! :tup: :tup:
I switched because I heard chicks dig bowhunters. :chuckle:
Post by: bankwalker on November 26, 2011, 01:15:18 PM
You know what would impress me more? A 10 yard shot:yeah:Thats why you become a bowhunter ...the ability to get close and make a clean kill !!!!!! :tup: :tup:
I switched because I heard chicks dig bowhunters. :chuckle:
You too huh? Lol :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 26, 2011, 01:25:21 PM
Post by: jnevs23 on November 26, 2011, 01:33:22 PM
Sorry if I hurt feelings it just doesn't impress
me much. If it makes you feel better I'm also not all that impressed when I hear about 800 yard rifle shots.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 26, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
Post by: big wood on November 26, 2011, 06:57:35 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 26, 2011, 07:45:54 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 26, 2011, 07:47:06 PM
so what happens if you have an elk at 70 yards do you back up 20 yards? I like shooting my bow at 70 to 120 yards, and do pretty good but the shot has wat to many things that can go wrong. I just like calling them in close and drilling them on the high note, thats where i get my rush.
No, you call him in closer. Ditch the bow and get him in a rear naked choke hold and choke his fat hindend out. It's worth a try, it would be hard to top and the chicks would think it was HOT! Guaranteed !! ;) The Alpha male factor is through the roof, off the hook !!!!
How many guys can truthfully say to a chick? "Hey baby, I just choked out a 360 class bull with my bare hands" :)
Post by: jnevs23 on November 26, 2011, 08:00:02 PM
Post by: the1rod on November 26, 2011, 08:06:30 PM
so thats what im doing wrong :bash: somebody get me a bow!You know what would impress me more? A 10 yard shot:yeah:Thats why you become a bowhunter ...the ability to get close and make a clean kill !!!!!! :tup: :tup:
I switched because I heard chicks dig bowhunters. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 26, 2011, 08:18:52 PM
so thats what im doing wrong :bash: somebody get me a bow!You know what would impress me more? A 10 yard shot:yeah:Thats why you become a bowhunter ...the ability to get close and make a clean kill !!!!!! :tup: :tup:
I switched because I heard chicks dig bowhunters. :chuckle:
It's great! Most times any bow will do, most of them aren't up to speed on archery equipment. Just grab a 20+ year old Bear bow, hanging in any local pawn shop. Blow the dust off of it, polish it up. You don't even have to hunt with it, just hang it on the gun rack in the rear window and cruise. Be sure to back up to those dumpy road side bars. So they can get a good hard look at it before you come strutting in.
Post by: ribka on November 26, 2011, 08:38:36 PM
Number of blood trails in the Nile found this weekend with no one following them.
Post by: billythekidrock on November 27, 2011, 07:19:15 AM
Gut shot at 23 yards, do whatever you can to get another arrow in it. That's different than pulling up and flinging a first arrow at 87 yards.
I agree 100%
Post by: big wood on November 27, 2011, 03:19:51 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 27, 2011, 03:40:24 PM
Think I struck a nerve. Make sure you have the wind right while lathered up with axle grease, they will likely wind you before you can hypnotize them. All I'm saying is I am not all that impressed with super long shots. There is a slim percentage of hunters who should even be considering shots in the 50+ yard range. Guys who shoot regularly, year round, know their equipment and how their equipment performs in the elements are generally the guys I'm Talking about. 90 yards? I'm guessing there are a handfull of people in America that can make that shot with any consistency outside of the range.I agree 100%...just because it's possible dosen't mean it's ethical. We never seem to hear about the deer or elk that get hit and lost at those distances...
Sorry if I hurt feelings it just doesn't impress
me much. If it makes you feel better I'm also not all that impressed when I hear about 800 yard rifle shots.
Post by: coachcw on November 27, 2011, 03:47:03 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on November 27, 2011, 03:50:03 PM
Post by: big wood on November 27, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 27, 2011, 04:13:57 PM
Very unethical and one of the problems archery is suffering from. If (a big if) his arrow is traveling at 300fps it will take .9 seconds for the arrow to travel the 90 yards. A hec of a lot can go wrong in .9 seconds. Considering we have not factored in acceleration or deceleration it is more likely greater than 1 second. Simply an irresponsible and arrogant move from someone who clearly does not respect the animal or the method! :twocents:
You really need a new hobby or a break from the key board you have entirely too much time on your hands. I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair! REALLY!! Come on! The last time I fell out of my chair is when Coachcw posted his 371 bull, that's 3 times this month.
Post by: PolarBear on November 27, 2011, 04:15:33 PM
:yeah:You know what would impress me more? A 10 yard shot:yeah:Thats why you become a bowhunter ...the ability to get close and make a clean kill !!!!!! :tup: :tup:
Takes a lot more skill to shoot one at your feet with a bow than it does across a canyon. :twocents:
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 27, 2011, 04:16:18 PM
:yeah: A 90 YARD BOW SHOT IS EQUIVELANT TO A 650 YARD RIFLE SHOT. I'M NOT SAYING IT CANT BE DONE JUST A LOT CAN GO WRONG AND MIGHT NOT BE A HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOT. I HAND LOAD AND SHOOT ALL THE TIME AND SHOT A 327 INCH BULL AT 556 YARDS. I WAS CONFIDENT AT MY SHOOTING AND HIT HIM IN THE NECK AND IN THE BUTT. HE WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN I GOT TO HIM, I WAS FORTUNATE EVEN THOUGH I WAS AIMING FOR THE SHOULDER.(ABOUT 2 FEET OFF MY MARK)
You need some serious trigger time! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: FC on November 27, 2011, 04:28:55 PM
Very unethical and one of the problems archery is suffering from. If (a big if) his arrow is traveling at 300fps it will take .9 seconds for the arrow to travel the 90 yards. A hec of a lot can go wrong in .9 seconds. Considering we have not factored in acceleration or deceleration it is more likely greater than 1 second. Simply an irresponsible and arrogant move from someone who clearly does not respect the animal or the method! :twocents:
You really need a new hobby or a break from the key board you have entirely too much time on your hands. I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair! REALLY!!
Care to explain what is so funny here? The math is at least roughly right and he has a hell of a point, a lot of the long-range "hunting" that people talk about and attempt to participate in is extremely arrogant and irresponsible.
Post by: longknife on November 27, 2011, 04:33:37 PM
:yeah: A 90 YARD BOW SHOT IS EQUIVELANT TO A 650 YARD RIFLE SHOT. I'M NOT SAYING IT CANT BE DONE JUST A LOT CAN GO WRONG AND MIGHT NOT BE A HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOT. I HAND LOAD AND SHOOT ALL THE TIME AND SHOT A 327 INCH BULL AT 556 YARDS. I WAS CONFIDENT AT MY SHOOTING AND HIT HIM IN THE NECK AND IN THE BUTT. HE WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN I GOT TO HIM, I WAS FORTUNATE EVEN THOUGH I WAS AIMING FOR THE SHOULDER.(ABOUT 2 FEET OFF MY MARK)
You need some serious trigger time! :chuckle: :chuckle:
You have to be joking! Its like a deadbeat dad, the kids can grow up with mom, but its not to be done! Sure, he has it in his freezer, but how many did he shoot, and wound, before listing he killed one, with pics! Thats the fun part about archery, to get as close to the animal as you can to not be detected.
If you think a step, or two cant be made in a full second, theres no understanding.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 27, 2011, 04:36:33 PM
Very unethical and one of the problems archery is suffering from. If (a big if) his arrow is traveling at 300fps it will take .9 seconds for the arrow to travel the 90 yards. A hec of a lot can go wrong in .9 seconds. Considering we have not factored in acceleration or deceleration it is more likely greater than 1 second. Simply an irresponsible and arrogant move from someone who clearly does not respect the animal or the method! :twocents:
You really need a new hobby or a break from the key board you have entirely too much time on your hands. I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair! REALLY!!
Care to explain what is so funny here? The math is at least roughly right and he has a hell of a point, a lot of the long-range "hunting" that people talk about and attempt to participate in is extremely arrogant and irresponsible.
If your a *censored* that can't shoot. :o
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Post by: wraithen on November 27, 2011, 04:43:22 PM
Post by: FC on November 27, 2011, 04:54:17 PM
Very unethical and one of the problems archery is suffering from. If (a big if) his arrow is traveling at 300fps it will take .9 seconds for the arrow to travel the 90 yards. A hec of a lot can go wrong in .9 seconds. Considering we have not factored in acceleration or deceleration it is more likely greater than 1 second. Simply an irresponsible and arrogant move from someone who clearly does not respect the animal or the method! :twocents:
You really need a new hobby or a break from the key board you have entirely too much time on your hands. I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair! REALLY!!
Care to explain what is so funny here? The math is at least roughly right and he has a hell of a point, a lot of the long-range "hunting" that people talk about and attempt to participate in is extremely arrogant and irresponsible.
If your a *censored* that can't shoot. :o
I actually am a good shot, I also understand wind and distance's effects on a traveling projectile, it sounds to me as though you do not or you are so arrogant as to think that you can't miss.
An awful lot can happen in a second or less, a puff of wind can send an arrow or bullet well off of it's intended course, your target animal could take a step.. I'm sure that could never happen to you though! :rolleyes:
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 27, 2011, 05:20:10 PM
Very unethical and one of the problems archery is suffering from. If (a big if) his arrow is traveling at 300fps it will take .9 seconds for the arrow to travel the 90 yards. A hec of a lot can go wrong in .9 seconds. Considering we have not factored in acceleration or deceleration it is more likely greater than 1 second. Simply an irresponsible and arrogant move from someone who clearly does not respect the animal or the method! :twocents:
You really need a new hobby or a break from the key board you have entirely too much time on your hands. I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair! REALLY!!
Care to explain what is so funny here? The math is at least roughly right and he has a hell of a point, a lot of the long-range "hunting" that people talk about and attempt to participate in is extremely arrogant and irresponsible.
If your a *censored* that can't shoot. :o
I actually am a good shot, I also understand wind and distance's effects on a traveling projectile, it sounds to me as though you do not or you are so arrogant as to think that you can't miss.
An awful lot can happen in a second or less, a puff of wind can send an arrow or bullet well off of it's intended course, your target animal could take a step.. I'm sure that could never happen to you though! :rolleyes:
You just stay within your comfort zone and leave others to theirs. :chuckle:
Post by: longknife on November 27, 2011, 05:59:31 PM
Post by: FC on November 27, 2011, 07:16:44 PM
You just stay within your comfort zone and leave others to theirs. :chuckle:
I'll do just that, you have shown everyone here what you are and how little respect you have for the animals that we hunt, you disgust me.
Post by: dreamunelk on November 27, 2011, 07:24:44 PM
Very unethical and one of the problems archery is suffering from. If (a big if) his arrow is traveling at 300fps it will take .9 seconds for the arrow to travel the 90 yards. A hec of a lot can go wrong in .9 seconds. Considering we have not factored in acceleration or deceleration it is more likely greater than 1 second. Simply an irresponsible and arrogant move from someone who clearly does not respect the animal or the method! :twocents:
You really need a new hobby or a break from the key board you have entirely too much time on your hands. I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair! REALLY!! Come on! The last time I fell out of my chair is when Coachcw posted his 371 bull, that's 3 times this month.
You still have not explained what is so funny as FC requested? How is it I have to much time on my hands? Please explain how this shot is ethical?
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 27, 2011, 07:40:37 PM
Just let us know where you hunt, and we will stay clear of the dead animals,,,rotting!
Da, da, da ...Drama! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: scoyoc5 on November 27, 2011, 07:43:08 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 27, 2011, 10:22:24 PM
Was he using lumenocks? I heard you can shoot an extra 50 yards with them.. :stirthepot:.....
Yes, with a crossbow. :o
Post by: PolarBear on November 27, 2011, 10:29:50 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 28, 2011, 01:16:53 AM
With a flashlight attached.
Of course, how else could he make such a shot in the black of night? I loved it when Maglite came out with the plastic clip on plate for the minimag so you could hold it with your lips or teeth. My mule deer success rate at night went off the charts since I was able to illuminate and use both hands while mounting my suppressor and working the bolt in the black of night. :tup:
Post by: colockumelk on November 28, 2011, 10:00:31 AM
Yeah iT all depends on the person ...my longest shot was @ 70 yrds and foggy .....never heard the arrow hit but the elk took off hard to the left ...so I waited about 25 min or so walked out there and blood everywhere ...went about 60 yrds and there he layed ... it was awesome to see him laying there !!!no doubt the bows now are definately capable of doing it :tup:
Just think if you would have had a better broad head he only would have went 30 yards. :chuckle:
BOWHUNTER45 I am dissapointed in you. You made up like 3 different posts talking about how awesome your broadhead is and then I talk sheet about it and I didnt' even get a response from you. Man I must be losing my touch. :chuckle:
Wasp's SUCK. Slick Tricks RULE!!! :yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: deerslyr on November 28, 2011, 10:03:46 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 28, 2011, 10:18:33 AM
Long shots are irresponsible and take away from the actual hunting experience. Anyone can learn to make a long shot, learning to hunt is far more difficult. :twocents:
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 28, 2011, 03:30:05 PM
Howard Hill could do it all day long w/a 100lb long bow. :tup:
Well, Hill's dead and there aren't any more Howard Hills. We've had this discussion many times. It's all about what happens in the whole second between the time the arrow leaves and arrives in a 90 yard shot. An animal can move a whole body length or more in a second. He was damned lucky and I bet for every one elk killed at 90 yards, 4 or 5 are wounded, and through no fault of the hunter, even with perfect form and practice. I personally think a 90 yard shot is selfish and irresponsible. This guy admits that this was beyond his farthest pin, so it's clear he hasn't been target shooting to 90.
Sure, and a 747 could drop out of the sky on your arse at the same time.. LMAO!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 28, 2011, 06:19:18 PM
Post by: wraithen on November 28, 2011, 06:21:15 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 28, 2011, 06:28:14 PM
Post by: wraithen on November 28, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 28, 2011, 06:57:11 PM
ALL I FORGOT TO TELL YA... The other day I cut my finger and threw the sons of beaches away !! :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :rolleyes: JUST KIDDING :yike:Yeah iT all depends on the person ...my longest shot was @ 70 yrds and foggy .....never heard the arrow hit but the elk took off hard to the left ...so I waited about 25 min or so walked out there and blood everywhere ...went about 60 yrds and there he layed ... it was awesome to see him laying there !!!no doubt the bows now are definately capable of doing it :tup:
Just think if you would have had a better broad head he only would have went 30 yards. :chuckle:
BOWHUNTER45 I am dissapointed in you. You made up like 3 different posts talking about how awesome your broadhead is and then I talk sheet about it and I didnt' even get a response from you. Man I must be losing my touch. :chuckle:
Wasp's SUCK. Slick Tricks RULE!!! :yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: colockumelk on November 28, 2011, 07:10:18 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on November 28, 2011, 09:16:08 PM
Post by: Rick on November 28, 2011, 09:43:04 PM
Between shiat like this and the way he beats on oversized sturgeon his ethics are questionable at best.
Post by: longknife on November 29, 2011, 06:07:27 AM
Post by: rtspring on November 29, 2011, 06:11:21 AM
Can it be done sure but I ask, Why take the chance of wounding an animal with so many factors involved...
Once again its personal choice.... I would not even think about taking this type of shot....
Post by: colockumelk on November 29, 2011, 08:48:35 AM
I took a 50yd shot on a doe. Perfectly broad side. My groups at 50yds are 4" max. I launched my arrow and the doe went from relaxed calm to spinning and running off. At 50yds I shot at a perfectly broad side doe and in the time it took my arrow to get there she managed to spin enough so my arrow entered near her anus. It was only by pure 100% luck that the arrow entered at an angle that it barely caught one lunge before it exited. I had to back out and retrieve her the next day. Luck was with me that day. That was at 50yds. Imagine what would or could happen at a distance almost twice that.
Post by: Holg3107 on November 29, 2011, 09:27:15 AM
Post by: colockumelk on November 29, 2011, 10:19:23 AM
Post by: deerslyr on November 29, 2011, 10:45:12 AM
Post by: colockumelk on November 29, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
So I would say based on that me shooting 50yds with my bow is more unethical than me shooting 400yds with my rifle. Based solely on time of flight. My groups for the two at those distances are the same. :twocents:
And yes as far as excitement goes I got almost no thrill from that 390 yard shot. Granted he wasn't a Boone and Crocket buck (maybe then I would have been pumped) so based on the lack of a thrill I pretty much just stick to archery now.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 29, 2011, 12:22:38 PM
My last WA buck I shot at 390yds. I shot a doe at 25 yds with my bow last weekend. I got way more of a rush out of shooting that doe than I did with that buck. To me my buck was about as thrilling or challenging as going to the range and shooting long distances. :twocents:
390 yards is a chip shot, I don't buy the unethical BS. there are some that can do it and some that can't. I spend allot of time on the local ranges 300, 600 and 1000 yards Etc. Along with allot of rounds fired from the prone at extended ranges on private properties I shoot on. Thousands of round a year, it's my hobby. You could say my addiction. Ballistic golf in a sense, always striving for that perfect group, the perfect wind call. First round cold bore solid hits at extended ranges. I do my time because that's what I like to do.
I seldom see 3-4 People at the most on the ranges throughout the year but right before the season a flood of hunters arrive, fresh box of factory cartridges in hand and a dusty rifle and for the most part the groups at 100 and 200 are comical to say the least for the general group. There are those that can shoot. The majority shouldn't be shooting at anything over 200 yards, let alone 300 or 400+. the same goes for the archery guys. It's all personal skill level, I know for a fact that if a Mulie takes a step as the trigger breaks at 400 yards you can be 10 or so inches off, it's happened to me. I had enough rifle though that even with the rear double lung hit, it knocked him down right where he stood. You take the same risk with your 390 yard rifle shot as he took with his 90 yards archery shot.
I have shot them a hell of allot further out and will cotinue to do so, if I can use the same rifle for my 600 yard Mulie shot as I did to take 176 Rockchucks that same year with. Than I am comfortable with my skill level and that rifle but as argued earlier, the animal can still move and the extended flight time risk. I'm still going to take that shot so I may be " Unethical " but it has worked for me so far and I will continue to do the same because it's worked for me.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 29, 2011, 12:44:55 PM
Like others stated its unethical because once your release it takes almost a full second to arrive at your target. Too much can happen. That animal takes a step and you hit guts or another type of wound which you have a low probability of finding that animal. If people can't comprehend why it is unethical than they are obviously in denial. It is not a hard concept. The only situation where I could see this being unethical is if the animal was bedded. Then obviously its not gonna move. But if the animal is moving or feeding 100% unethical.I bet this doe was a whitetail :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: they are known to do such a thing :dunno:
I took a 50yd shot on a doe. Perfectly broad side. My groups at 50yds are 4" max. I launched my arrow and the doe went from relaxed calm to spinning and running off. At 50yds I shot at a perfectly broad side doe and in the time it took my arrow to get there she managed to spin enough so my arrow entered near her anus. It was only by pure 100% luck that the arrow entered at an angle that it barely caught one lunge before it exited. I had to back out and retrieve her the next day. Luck was with me that day. That was at 50yds. Imagine what would or could happen at a distance almost twice that.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 29, 2011, 12:46:33 PM
Post by: Glockster on November 29, 2011, 01:21:39 PM
My last WA buck I shot at 390yds. I shot a doe at 25 yds with my bow last weekend. I got way more of a rush out of shooting that doe than I did with that buck. To me my buck was about as thrilling or challenging as going to the range and shooting long distances. :twocents:
390 yards is a chip shot, I don't buy the unethical BS. there are some that can do it and some that can't. I spend allot of time on the local ranges 300, 600 and 1000 yards Etc. Along with allot of rounds fired from the prone at extended ranges on private properties I shoot on. Thousands of round a year, it's my hobby. You could say my addiction. Ballistic golf in a sense, always striving for that perfect group, the perfect wind call. First round cold bore solid hits at extended ranges. I do my time because that's what I like to do.
I seldom see 3-4 People at the most on the ranges throughout the year but right before the season a flood of hunters arrive, fresh box of factory cartridges in hand and a dusty rifle and for the most part the groups at 100 and 200 are comical to say the least for the general group. There are those that can shoot. The majority shouldn't be shooting at anything over 200 yards, let alone 300 or 400+. the same goes for the archery guys. It's all personal skill level, I know for a fact that if a Mulie takes a step as the trigger breaks at 400 yards you can be 10 or so inches off, it's happened to me. I had enough rifle though that even with the rear double lung hit, it knocked him down right where he stood. You take the same risk with your 390 yard rifle shot as he took with his 90 yards archery shot.
I have shot them a hell of allot further out and will cotinue to do so, if I can use the same rifle for my 600 yard Mulie shot as I did to take 176 Rockchucks that same year with. Than I am comfortable with my skill level and that rifle but as argued earlier, the animal can still move and the extended flight time risk. I'm still going to take that shot so I may be " Unethical " but it has worked for me so far and I will continue to do the same because it's worked for me.
Ah, the i'm better than the average hunter post. :tup: I'm more dedicated. Those 390's are chip shots. I shoot thousands of rounds a year on private property. 600yd mule deer. 176 rockchucks. I dedicate my life to it.. blah bahahba. You should get together with Paul Ambrose, the 90yd archer. You guys would really hit it off. He's killed hundreds of deer at over 50yds and never lost a single one (eventhough he's not even in his 30's) He used to post reams of pages on long range archery. He shoots thousands upon thousands of arrows a year; most archers he sees show up at the bow range only a couple of weeks before the season, he's a Hoyt sponsored black hoodie wearning prostaffer with a tatoo and lots of stickers on his truck to prove his superiority over the 'average' hunters who shoot their lowly Mathews bows.
Post by: wraithen on November 29, 2011, 01:32:26 PM
Post by: colockumelk on November 29, 2011, 01:43:11 PM
and my Mathews bow is so fast with a WASP they usually die before the arrow arrives hahahahahahahahahahahaaha :tung: :yeah:
:chuckle: :chuckle: I was wondering when you were gonna finally stand up for your sub-par equipment :chuckle:
Actually the doe I mentioned was a mule deer doe, which is why it took me by surprise. If it had been a white tail doe I probably wouldn't have shot at her.
As far as distances being unethical goes here's my final take. Its not so much the distance that makes the shot more or less unethical its two factors. The biggest is the skill level and preparation of the shooter. For some people a 100yd shot with a scoped rifle is unethical, where for some a 500yd shot is a chip shot. The next item that begins to increase the risk (make it more unethical) is the time of flight, of the projectile which gives the animal more time to move.
I don't think people should look at a distance as black or white (unethical vs ethical) rather I think people should look at it as starting at 0feet its 100% white and then the farther out you go the shade starts getting a little bit darker until at a certain distance its black. Now how fast that shade begins to darken is based on the shooters skill level and preparation and the conditions of the shot.
Post by: FC on November 29, 2011, 02:00:37 PM
90 yard and greater shooting with a bow? That is one unlucky critter to get hit with that shot! It's also one very lucky hunter that didn't get stuck tracking a wounded animal for a couple of days...
Biggerhammer, varmint hunting (such as rockchucks) doesn't really even compare, if you hit one you are going to do enough damage that it will die pretty quickly with almost no exceptions.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 29, 2011, 02:53:55 PM
My last WA buck I shot at 390yds. I shot a doe at 25 yds with my bow last weekend. I got way more of a rush out of shooting that doe than I did with that buck. To me my buck was about as thrilling or challenging as going to the range and shooting long distances. :twocents:
390 yards is a chip shot, I don't buy the unethical BS. there are some that can do it and some that can't. I spend allot of time on the local ranges 300, 600 and 1000 yards Etc. Along with allot of rounds fired from the prone at extended ranges on private properties I shoot on. Thousands of round a year, it's my hobby. You could say my addiction. Ballistic golf in a sense, always striving for that perfect group, the perfect wind call. First round cold bore solid hits at extended ranges. I do my time because that's what I like to do.
I seldom see 3-4 People at the most on the ranges throughout the year but right before the season a flood of hunters arrive, fresh box of factory cartridges in hand and a dusty rifle and for the most part the groups at 100 and 200 are comical to say the least for the general group. There are those that can shoot. The majority shouldn't be shooting at anything over 200 yards, let alone 300 or 400+. the same goes for the archery guys. It's all personal skill level, I know for a fact that if a Mulie takes a step as the trigger breaks at 400 yards you can be 10 or so inches off, it's happened to me. I had enough rifle though that even with the rear double lung hit, it knocked him down right where he stood. You take the same risk with your 390 yard rifle shot as he took with his 90 yards archery shot.
I have shot them a hell of allot further out and will cotinue to do so, if I can use the same rifle for my 600 yard Mulie shot as I did to take 176 Rockchucks that same year with. Than I am comfortable with my skill level and that rifle but as argued earlier, the animal can still move and the extended flight time risk. I'm still going to take that shot so I may be " Unethical " but it has worked for me so far and I will continue to do the same because it's worked for me.
Ah, the i'm better than the average hunter post. :tup: I'm more dedicated. Those 390's are chip shots. I shoot thousands of rounds a year on private property. 600yd mule deer. 176 rockchucks. I dedicate my life to it.. blah bahahba. You should get together with Paul Ambrose, the 90yd archer. You guys would really hit it off. He's killed hundreds of deer at over 50yds and never lost a single one (eventhough he's not even in his 30's) He used to post reams of pages on long range archery. He shoots thousands upon thousands of arrows a year; most archers he sees show up at the bow range only a couple of weeks before the season, he's a Hoyt sponsored black hoodie wearning prostaffer with a tatoo and lots of stickers on his truck to prove his superiority over the 'average' hunters who shoot their lowly Mathews bows.
Like I said TURBO, some can do it and some can't. Stick to what your capable of there hotrod. :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 29, 2011, 03:01:53 PM
My chief complaint here is the time in flight, I've known a few really great shots in my life and none of them would consider a shot at a big game animal at more than 4-500 yards either, too much time for something to go wrong.
90 yard and greater shooting with a bow? That is one unlucky critter to get hit with that shot! It's also one very lucky hunter that didn't get stuck tracking a wounded animal for a couple of days...
Biggerhammer, varmint hunting (such as rockchucks) doesn't really even compare, if you hit one you are going to do enough damage that it will die pretty quickly with almost no exceptions.
Actualy it does compare, if one is capable of consistent hits and wind calls and has the equipment and expirience to make hits on rockchucks and prairie dogs at extended distances . A mule deer is a MONSTER TARGET! With a bullseye the size of Satern at 600 yards. It's all math ladies! :chuckle:
Post by: deerslyr on November 29, 2011, 03:22:46 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 29, 2011, 03:39:31 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 29, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
Post by: FC on November 29, 2011, 05:15:31 PM
Actualy it does compare, if one is capable of consistent hits and wind calls and has the equipment and expirience to make hits on rockchucks and prairie dogs at extended distances . A mule deer is a MONSTER TARGET! With a bullseye the size of Satern at 600 yards. It's all math ladies! :chuckle:
The biggest difference is that a bad hit on a rockchuck is still going to be immediately (or nearly) fatal where a bad shot on a deer or elk will have it off and running.
Post by: colockumelk on November 29, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
:bdid: Don't use these heads unless your squirrel hunting :chuckle:
Post by: wraithen on November 30, 2011, 12:30:31 AM
Actualy it does compare, if one is capable of consistent hits and wind calls and has the equipment and expirience to make hits on rockchucks and prairie dogs at extended distances . A mule deer is a MONSTER TARGET! With a bullseye the size of Satern at 600 yards. It's all math ladies! :chuckle:
The biggest difference is that a bad hit on a rockchuck is still going to be immediately (or nearly) fatal where a bad shot on a deer or elk will have it off and running.
Yeah but a p dog sticking up halfway in its hole is about the same size target as a kill zone on a small coyote.
Post by: Alaska316 on November 30, 2011, 01:11:54 PM
Post by: Dipsnort on December 13, 2011, 10:51:55 AM
Just because someone says on the internet they made a 90 yard bow kill shot does not mean it is true. It's all about credibility of the person making the claim. Let me tell you about the credibility of this particular "90 yard" shooter.
I used to post on a different forum where I would read his posts bragging about all sorts of incredible feats of marksmanship (among other things). I couldn't help but chuckle at the wayward topics as folks challenged his claims over and over again for months and he defended them endlessly as the tales grew even taller. Finally I responded to a claim that he has killed "well in excess of 100 deer". Knowing that he was a pretty young guy I questioned him about the math. He didn't want to talk numbers in the open forum so he went to personal messaging and told me that he had bow killed a deer every year in each of 3 different states (Washington, Oregon, and (if I'm not mistaken) Missouri) for 3 different people (2 of them being disabled hunters who he is related to) since he was (if I remember correctly) 14 years old. And then he did the math on what he had just told me and it added up to a number that was less than 100 so he conceded that it was not actually "well in excess of 100".
That's when I stopped responding to his messages and just smiled and walked away. Think about it. Based on his claims he has filled all 9 archery tags per year since he was 14. He (and 2 relatives) have the time and are all willing and able to pay for 2 out of state tags (and travel) each year so he can kill all of those deer. And the list of improbabilities grows.
I'll say this about the "90 yard" shooter. By all accounts he seems to be a nice guy. But his lies and exaggerations in an attempt to make people look up to him and like him are so numerous that he has zero credibility.
Listen, hunters and fishermen exaggerate. It's a fact of life. Some of us are more extreme with those exaggerations than others. It is good that we debate the ethics of 90 yard bow shots but let's just try to remember that not everything we hear on the internet is true. :)
Post by: Glockster on December 13, 2011, 11:17:50 AM
I nominate Dipsnort for post of the year!
The true killers, the dead stone killers...whether that's of people or game; you will never hear them brag about their accomplishments.
All the hot air is easily deflated when the math is applied. Bravo Dip!!!
Post by: BIGINNER on December 13, 2011, 11:31:53 AM
:yeah: A 90 YARD BOW SHOT IS EQUIVELANT TO A 650 YARD RIFLE SHOT. I'M NOT SAYING IT CANT BE DONE JUST A LOT CAN GO WRONG AND MIGHT NOT BE A HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOT. I HAND LOAD AND SHOOT ALL THE TIME AND SHOT A 327 INCH BULL AT 556 YARDS. I WAS CONFIDENT AT MY SHOOTING AND HIT HIM IN THE NECK AND IN THE BUTT. HE WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN I GOT TO HIM, I WAS FORTUNATE EVEN THOUGH I WAS AIMING FOR THE SHOULDER.(ABOUT 2 FEET OFF MY MARK)THIS IS OFF TOPIC,... BUT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE SOME COMPETITION!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
LOL
OK, NOW ON THE SUBJECT,.. IF HE FELT CONFIDENT IN HIS SHOT AND EVERYHTING WAS CLEAR, THEN ITS FINE,.. BYT LIKE SAID BEFORE HE'S LUCK THEY ELK DIDN'T START WALKING,...
Post by: Dipsnort on December 13, 2011, 02:12:05 PM
All the hot air is easily deflated when the math is applied. Bravo Dip!!!In the interest of accuracy a I logged in to the site I spoke of and found the messages he sent me. The premise began as he defended one of many claims of an incredibly long shot by saying (in part) that his bow makes absolutely zero noise from 10' away so he has never had an issue with (among other things) the animals he shoots jumping the string and causing a poor hit. Did you read that? Zero noise. None, nada, zilch! Here's a sample to give you an idea of what I'm talking about. :)
The 10ft part was a little of a exageration.. the number of deer however, no, I have my deer tag so thats 13, plus my dad and grandpa both disabled vets with the hunter companion card... . so thats 26 so 39 so far, and to be honest ive never added this up... but the 100 guess is a good one, and we shall see... also I have got a 2nd deer tag here so thats 3 more.. so 42 now.. then we have oregon, 3 years over there so 45... idaho was 3 years with 2 tags so 51..... OH was 2 years at 6 a year so 63... and CA is 3 a year for 4 years now so thats 12 more egualing.... 75... so your right in those 4 states im 25 off, but I have hunted other states as well... and killed a few in them as well.. my main point was my bow is insanly quiet and I have shot way more LEGAL deer with a bow then most people my age... so I think I have some room to talk on my effective range on game... I also dont horn hunt so yes I have filled my tag and all I have had every year.... your a hunter and a good one from what I can tell so im sure you can see how finding a fat doe or small buck isnt that hard in any of those areas.... then I also have tons of pigs, 1 elk, 5 turkey.. etc as well with the good ol hoyt....
I also have had depredation tags here in wa and california as well.. i just woke up and read your reply.. so id guess add another 20 deer over the years.. so ya we are at 95 give or take.. its good to know people like my buddy with 9000 acres in cali..... its cool you called me out so to speak.. hope this clears that up for you
So anyway, if you are one of these people who tell really tall tales that get taller by the minute I am putting you on notice that most normal people can see through you. Stop doing it. It makes you look like an idiot and your credibility goes down to zero! :hello:
Post by: PA BEN on December 13, 2011, 05:29:52 PM
Oh man, I just can't help myself. Even though I'm late in this discussion, I need to respond.I've killed 31 deer in 30 years of bow hunting Washington. I drew a second doe tag one year. I've killed alot more but I started hunting when I was 14 back in '75 and started bow hunting in '86. BTW, I've killed one deer at 60 yds and two elk at 60 yds. w/the bow.
Just because someone says on the internet they made a 90 yard bow kill shot does not mean it is true. It's all about credibility of the person making the claim. Let me tell you about the credibility of this particular "90 yard" shooter.
I used to post on a different forum where I would read his posts bragging about all sorts of incredible feats of marksmanship (among other things). I couldn't help but chuckle at the wayward topics as folks challenged his claims over and over again for months and he defended them endlessly as the tales grew even taller. Finally I responded to a claim that he has killed "well in excess of 100 deer". Knowing that he was a pretty young guy I questioned him about the math. He didn't want to talk numbers in the open forum so he went to personal messaging and told me that he had bow killed a deer every year in each of 3 different states (Washington, Oregon, and (if I'm not mistaken) Missouri) for 3 different people (2 of them being disabled hunters who he is related to) since he was (if I remember correctly) 14 years old. And then he did the math on what he had just told me and it added up to a number that was less than 100 so he conceded that it was not actually "well in excess of 100".
That's when I stopped responding to his messages and just smiled and walked away. Think about it. Based on his claims he has filled all 9 archery tags per year since he was 14. He (and 2 relatives) have the time and are all willing and able to pay for 2 out of state tags (and travel) each year so he can kill all of those deer. And the list of improbabilities grows.
I'll say this about the "90 yard" shooter. By all accounts he seems to be a nice guy. But his lies and exaggerations in an attempt to make people look up to him and like him are so numerous that he has zero credibility.
Listen, hunters and fishermen exaggerate. It's a fact of life. Some of us are more extreme with those exaggerations than others. It is good that we debate the ethics of 90 yard bow shots but let's just try to remember that not everything we hear on the internet is true. :)