Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2011, 12:52:19 AM
Well now doesnt this the doors off that wolves dont kill human argument?
Post by: christopheri on December 07, 2011, 01:45:08 AM
Post by: LittleJohn on December 07, 2011, 05:03:47 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 07, 2011, 05:23:16 AM
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"Tracks and markings in the snow indicated that the struggle with the wolves was brief and death occurred quickly," the report said.Yeah, sounds real quick to me. NOT
Post by: bearpaw on December 07, 2011, 05:44:19 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 07, 2011, 06:09:40 AM
Post by: rasbo on December 07, 2011, 06:19:35 AM
Post by: GoldTip on December 07, 2011, 06:33:38 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 07, 2011, 07:28:08 AM
Post by: CedarPants on December 07, 2011, 07:30:04 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2011, 09:32:41 AM
Just posted that link on WDFW wolf thread on Facebook....Thank you. We all must collect most important information to threw all bloody cases to committiees face to adjust new law in future. We cannot miss any one case that caused in Wa. Bring cameras and video if you can. :tup: Keep fighting.
Post by: Alchase on December 07, 2011, 10:11:44 AM
Oh but the article was quick to point out...Quote"Tracks and markings in the snow indicated that the struggle with the wolves was brief and death occurred quickly," the report said.Yeah, sounds real quick to me. NOT
Thats :bs:, if having your throat ripped out and bleeding to death is their definition of "quickly" :dunno:
That would be the quickest way they could kill you.
i hate to say it, most likely she was eaten alive like they do to elk.
Disembowelment would be a horrible way to go1
Post by: Idabooner on December 07, 2011, 10:15:18 AM
Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators. This however does change things dramatically.
Like Boneaddict said I to have spent most of my life in the outback feeling perfectly safe unarmed, but that is changeing. Wolves are supposed to eat only the OLD and CRIPPLED so at near 77 years old I don't get around real lively and I'm starting to feel like easy prey. So more and more I'm packing the 41, while fishing or out for a walk, just extra wieght I hope I never need.
Post by: huntrights on December 07, 2011, 10:44:19 AM
Here is the wolf attack information I sent to the WDFW Commissioners in several communications prior to their decision on the wolf plan:
2005: Canada – 22-year-old Ontario college student, Kenton Carnegie, was killed by wolves while working for a survey company as part of his university’s co-op program.
http://www.cbc.ca/sask/features/wolves/2.html
2007: Canada – Wolves attack two families while tobogganing. The wolves were headed toward the children. Their dog, a Rottweiler-cross fended off the attack until the families could get to their vehicle.
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=44d94f6e-11cd-46b6-84c4-3f48d8df838b
2010: Alaska - 32-year-old special education teacher, Candice Berner, was killed by wolves while jogging.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35913715/ns/us_news-life/t/fatal-wolf-attack-unnerves-alaska-village/
GOOGLE “wolf attacks”
http://www.google.com/search?q=wolf+attacks&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=
This is real folks. Wolves are large, vicious, apex predators that operate in packs. Any animal, including humans that are targeted as prey or for surplus/sport killing by a pack of wolves will have little chance of survival. Wolves operate from instinct, hunger, and opportunity. Unfortunately, wolf advocates seem to deny these facts. Also, in my opinion, as wolf populations grow and enjoy their unwarranted protection from appropriate management of their numbers, we will most likely be reading and hearing more about these types of tragedies in the coming years.
You should also read this article by Valerius Geist:
WHEN DO WOLVES BECOME DANGEROUS TO HUMANS?
http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Geist_when-do-wolves-become-dangerous-to-humans.pdf
Regarding the impact on elk populations, the RMEF has stated the following in one of their communications (RMEF letter to the Defenders of Wildlife and the Western Wildlife Conservancy):
"Studies show that each wolf kills up to 23 elk from November through April; that equates to up to 40,000 elk killed in six months. This number does not include those elk killed for food by wolves from May through October. While the number of elk killed per wolf from May through October is less than the number from November through April, it is still considerable; and that is just the elk killed for food. These numbers do not account for those elk simply killed by wolves (surplus killing) and yes, that does happen. Nowhere near the majority of these elk kills are simply the sick and the old."
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2011, 10:48:36 AM
I am curious about this one. Cant be. How can we never heard about this story. Not sure but thought to share.
Post by: bearpaw on December 07, 2011, 12:49:14 PM
Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators. This however does change things dramatically.
Like Boneaddict said I to have spent most of my life in the outback feeling perfectly safe unarmed, but that is changeing. Wolves are supposed to eat only the OLD and CRIPPLED so at near 77 years old I don't get around real lively and I'm starting to feel like easy prey. So more and more I'm packing the 41, while fishing or out for a walk, just extra wieght I hope I never need.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: rasbo on December 07, 2011, 12:54:35 PM
Post by: seth30 on December 07, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
Post by: CedarPants on December 07, 2011, 01:03:22 PM
anybody old and crippled want to be my hunting partner :dunno: :chuckle:...On the serious side,with wolves in elk city and sheriffs being told to shoot on site,wouldnt you think these morons would get a clue...
You should see some of the comments on pro-wolf pages about the deputies being told to shoot wolves on sight. A quick summary of how these groups feel - humans in those areas are invading the wolves territories, and it makes no sense to shoot the wolves when it would be easier to just shoot the people
Post by: wence5 on December 07, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: CedarPants link=topic=88220.msg 1110110#msg 1110110 date=1323291802
Quote from: rasbo link=topic=88220.msg 1110100#msg 1110100 date=1323291275anybody old and crippled want to be my hunting partner :dunno: :chuckle:...On the serious side,with wolves in elk city and sheriffs being told to shoot on site,wouldn't you think these morons would get a clue...
You should see some of the comments on pro-wolf pages about the deputies being told to shoot wolves on sight. A quick summary of how these groups feel - humans in those areas are invading the wolves territories, and it makes no sense to shoot the wolves when it would be easier to just shoot the people
Great, wolf lovers are people, therefore they are delicious and nutritious. We should encourage all wolf huggers to take a hike. :chuckle:
Post by: Seabass on December 07, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
As many as it takes to justify not needing hunters as an apex predator or conservation tool.
Post by: muzbuster on December 13, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
:yeah:Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators. This however does change things dramatically.
Like Boneaddict said I to have spent most of my life in the outback feeling perfectly safe unarmed, but that is changeing. Wolves are supposed to eat only the OLD and CRIPPLED so at near 77 years old I don't get around real lively and I'm starting to feel like easy prey. So more and more I'm packing the 41, while fishing or out for a walk, just extra wieght I hope I never need.
Lets not forget the increased population of the bears & cats since hounds & baiting has been outlawed. :bash: :mor: :tree1:
Post by: 400out on December 13, 2011, 10:19:59 AM
Oh please point me in the right direction! now that sounds like a site that could really pass some time :twocents: Idabonner, serious but real funnyanybody old and crippled want to be my hunting partner :dunno: :chuckle:...On the serious side,with wolves in elk city and sheriffs being told to shoot on site,wouldnt you think these morons would get a clue...
You should see some of the comments on pro-wolf pages about the deputies being told to shoot wolves on sight. A quick summary of how these groups feel - humans in those areas are invading the wolves territories, and it makes no sense to shoot the wolves when it would be easier to just shoot the people
Post by: Bean Counter on December 13, 2011, 12:17:35 PM
... :yike: ...
So I let that statement just sit out there for a moment. Then, I mentioned: "Well the news story said that she was just a teacher out for a run."
.... "Well, she's a human, its societal karma in action."
Wow dude... :stup:
Post by: Dave Workman on December 13, 2011, 02:31:47 PM
With confirmation the other day by the Alaska Department of Fish & Game that at least two wolves were responsible for killing a young high school teacher, the debate about wolf management in the Pacific Northwest has erupted anew.
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/wolves-killed-ak-teacher-report-adds-new-fuel-to-nw-wolf-war
Post by: villageidiot on December 13, 2011, 04:36:49 PM
Post by: Dave Workman on December 13, 2011, 05:16:58 PM
Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators. This however does change things dramatically.
Well, I have spent a majority of my life in the woods quite comfortable being armed, so I never worried about two-legged predators or the four-legged variety, neither.
:chuckle:
Post by: muzbuster on December 14, 2011, 05:56:10 AM
IN response to Muzbusters paste from the greenies. They evidently don't know that the woman killed by wolves was a teacher at an Indian school (eskimo) Nobody knows if the eskimos were there first or the wolves. She was just teaching them how to read so they could decide for themselves what choices in life to make. John 3:16 for instance.No greeny here bud. Your post has me confused. :dunno: