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Title: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2011, 12:52:19 AM
http://www.thenewstribune.com//2011/12/06/1934931/dna-samples-confirm-wolves-killed.html?storylink=fb

Well now doesnt this the doors off that wolves dont kill human argument? 
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: christopheri on December 07, 2011, 01:45:08 AM
How many breeding pairs do they want in Washington? :bdid:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: LittleJohn on December 07, 2011, 05:03:47 AM
What a horrible way to die!!!! :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: boneaddict on December 07, 2011, 05:23:16 AM
Oh but the article was quick to point out...

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"Tracks and markings in the snow indicated that the struggle with the wolves was brief and death occurred quickly," the report said.



Yeah, sounds real quick to me. NOT
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: bearpaw on December 07, 2011, 05:44:19 AM
Just goes to show why people need the option to be armed now more than anytime in the last 50 years as the USFWS is planning to put large predators all over the U.S.....  :tup:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: boneaddict on December 07, 2011, 06:09:40 AM
Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators.  This however does change things dramatically.   
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: rasbo on December 07, 2011, 06:19:35 AM
Sad part about this is that the pro wolf crowd still will not admit it can be a real problem down the road.Until hikers hiking the freeway trails cut through the back country and they become scoobie snacks will any thought be put into this problem we will soon face.
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: GoldTip on December 07, 2011, 06:33:38 AM
Hell of a sad deal for this young lady.  Horrible, horrible way to die.  My prayers did and still go out to her family.
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 07, 2011, 07:28:08 AM
Just posted that link on WDFW wolf thread on Facebook....
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: CedarPants on December 07, 2011, 07:30:04 AM
Sad thing is the pro-wolf goups probably consider her a martyr and a hero
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2011, 09:32:41 AM
Just posted that link on WDFW wolf thread on Facebook....
Thank you.  We all must collect most important information to threw all bloody cases to committiees face to adjust new law in future.  We cannot miss any one case that caused in Wa.  Bring cameras and video if you can.   :tup:  Keep fighting.
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: Alchase on December 07, 2011, 10:11:44 AM
Oh but the article was quick to point out...

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"Tracks and markings in the snow indicated that the struggle with the wolves was brief and death occurred quickly," the report said.



Yeah, sounds real quick to me. NOT

Thats  :bs:, if having your throat ripped out and bleeding to death is their definition of "quickly"  :dunno:
That would be the quickest way they could kill you.
i hate to say it, most likely she was eaten alive like they do to elk.
Disembowelment would be a horrible way to go1
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: Idabooner on December 07, 2011, 10:15:18 AM
Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators.  This however does change things dramatically.
 

Like Boneaddict said I to have spent most of my life in the outback feeling perfectly safe unarmed, but that is changeing.  Wolves are supposed to eat only the OLD and CRIPPLED so at near 77 years old I don't get around real lively and I'm starting to feel like easy prey.  So more and more I'm packing the 41, while fishing or out for a walk, just extra wieght I hope I never need.
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: huntrights on December 07, 2011, 10:44:19 AM
I listed this unfortunate attack and others in my communications to the WDFW Commissioners hoping that these grizzly facts about wolves would help them see clearly through the pro-wolf propaganda smokescreen before making a decision on the WA Wolf Conservation and Management Plan.  Unfortunately, we are now stuck with the WDFW having to officially count 15 breeding pairs in our state.  That is why I posted the suggestion in another forum thread that we (hunters, ranchers, etc.) need to convince the WDFW to let us help them count the 15 breeding pairs that will most likely exist in the very near future.  Wolves typically produce 5 to 6 pups per litter; their populations can grow quickly.  15 breeding pairs needs to be officially verified ASAP.

Here is the wolf attack information I sent to the WDFW Commissioners in several communications prior to their decision on the wolf plan:

2005: Canada – 22-year-old Ontario college student, Kenton Carnegie, was killed by wolves while working for a survey company as part of his university’s co-op program.
http://www.cbc.ca/sask/features/wolves/2.html

2007: Canada – Wolves attack two families while tobogganing.  The wolves were headed toward the children.  Their dog, a Rottweiler-cross fended off the attack until the families could get to their vehicle.
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=44d94f6e-11cd-46b6-84c4-3f48d8df838b

2010: Alaska - 32-year-old special education teacher, Candice Berner, was killed by wolves while jogging.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35913715/ns/us_news-life/t/fatal-wolf-attack-unnerves-alaska-village/

GOOGLE “wolf attacks”
http://www.google.com/search?q=wolf+attacks&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=

This is real folks.  Wolves are large, vicious, apex predators that operate in packs.  Any animal, including humans that are targeted as prey or for surplus/sport killing by a pack of wolves will have little chance of survival.  Wolves operate from instinct, hunger, and opportunity.  Unfortunately, wolf advocates seem to deny these facts.  Also, in my opinion, as wolf populations grow and enjoy their unwarranted protection from appropriate management of their numbers, we will most likely be reading and hearing more about these types of tragedies in the coming years.

You should also read this article by Valerius Geist:
 WHEN DO WOLVES BECOME DANGEROUS TO HUMANS?
http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Geist_when-do-wolves-become-dangerous-to-humans.pdf

Regarding the impact on elk populations, the RMEF has stated the following in one of their communications (RMEF letter to the Defenders of Wildlife and the Western Wildlife Conservancy):

"Studies show that each wolf kills up to 23 elk from November through April; that equates to up to 40,000 elk killed in six months. This number does not include those elk killed for food by wolves from May through October. While the number of elk killed per wolf from May through October is less than the number from November through April, it is still considerable; and that is just the elk killed for food. These numbers do not account for those elk simply killed by wolves (surplus killing) and yes, that does happen. Nowhere near the majority of these elk kills are simply the sick and the old."
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2011, 10:48:36 AM
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/33+CHILDREN+KILLED+BY+WOLVES+IN+INDIA+:+VILLAGERS+TURN+TO...-a083964578

I am curious about this one.  Cant be.  How can we never heard about this story.  Not sure but thought to share.
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: bearpaw on December 07, 2011, 12:49:14 PM
Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators.  This however does change things dramatically.
 

Like Boneaddict said I to have spent most of my life in the outback feeling perfectly safe unarmed, but that is changeing.  Wolves are supposed to eat only the OLD and CRIPPLED so at near 77 years old I don't get around real lively and I'm starting to feel like easy prey.  So more and more I'm packing the 41, while fishing or out for a walk, just extra wieght I hope I never need.

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: rasbo on December 07, 2011, 12:54:35 PM
anybody old and crippled want to be my hunting partner :dunno: :chuckle:...On the serious side,with wolves in elk city and sheriffs being told to shoot on site,wouldnt you think these morons would get a clue...
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: seth30 on December 07, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
Any death caused by a wolf or wolves; I put the blame 100% on those that support the wolf reintorduciton :twocents:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: CedarPants on December 07, 2011, 01:03:22 PM
anybody old and crippled want to be my hunting partner :dunno: :chuckle:...On the serious side,with wolves in elk city and sheriffs being told to shoot on site,wouldnt you think these morons would get a clue...

You should see some of the comments on pro-wolf pages about the deputies being told to shoot wolves on sight.  A quick summary of how these groups feel - humans in those areas are invading the wolves territories, and it makes no sense to shoot the wolves when it would be easier to just shoot the people
Title: Re: Biologists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: wence5 on December 07, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: CedarPants link=topic=88220.msg 1110110#msg 1110110 date=1323291802
Quote from: rasbo link=topic=88220.msg 1110100#msg 1110100 date=1323291275
anybody old and crippled want to be my hunting partner :dunno: :chuckle:...On the serious side,with wolves in elk city and sheriffs being told to shoot on site,wouldn't you think these morons would get a clue...

You should see some of the comments on pro-wolf pages about the deputies being told to shoot wolves on sight.  A quick summary of how these groups feel - humans in those areas are invading the wolves territories, and it makes no sense to shoot the wolves when it would be easier to just shoot the people

Great, wolf lovers are people, therefore they are delicious and nutritious. We should encourage all wolf huggers to take a hike.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: Seabass on December 07, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
Somebody asked the question, "How many breeding pair do they want in Wa. state?"


As many as it takes to justify not needing hunters as an apex predator or conservation tool.
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: muzbuster on December 13, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators.  This however does change things dramatically.
 

Like Boneaddict said I to have spent most of my life in the outback feeling perfectly safe unarmed, but that is changeing.  Wolves are supposed to eat only the OLD and CRIPPLED so at near 77 years old I don't get around real lively and I'm starting to feel like easy prey.  So more and more I'm packing the 41, while fishing or out for a walk, just extra wieght I hope I never need.
:yeah:
Lets not forget the increased population of the bears & cats since hounds & baiting has been outlawed. :bash: :mor: :tree1:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: 400out on December 13, 2011, 10:19:59 AM
anybody old and crippled want to be my hunting partner :dunno: :chuckle:...On the serious side,with wolves in elk city and sheriffs being told to shoot on site,wouldnt you think these morons would get a clue...

You should see some of the comments on pro-wolf pages about the deputies being told to shoot wolves on sight.  A quick summary of how these groups feel - humans in those areas are invading the wolves territories, and it makes no sense to shoot the wolves when it would be easier to just shoot the people
Oh please point me in the right direction! now that sounds like a site that could really pass some time  :twocents: Idabonner, serious but real funny
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: Bean Counter on December 13, 2011, 12:17:35 PM
I shared this news with someone who I suspected was a liberal... I brought it up in a very non chalant tone to judge his reaction. He said: "GOOD! Serves her right for hunting them to the bring of extinction!"

...  :yike: ...

So I let that statement just sit out there for a moment. Then, I mentioned: "Well the news story said that she was just a teacher out for a run."

.... "Well, she's a human, its societal karma in action."

Wow dude...  :stup:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: Dave Workman on December 13, 2011, 02:31:47 PM
Wolves killed AK teacher; report adds new fuel to NW wolf war


   With confirmation the other day by the Alaska Department of Fish & Game that at least two wolves were responsible for killing a young high school teacher, the debate about wolf management in the Pacific Northwest has erupted anew.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/wolves-killed-ak-teacher-report-adds-new-fuel-to-nw-wolf-war
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: villageidiot on December 13, 2011, 04:36:49 PM
IN response to Muzbusters paste from the greenies.  They evidently don't know that the woman killed by wolves was a teacher at an Indian school (eskimo)  Nobody knows if the eskimos were there first or the wolves.  She was just teaching them how to read so they could decide for themselves what choices in life to make.  John 3:16 for instance.
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: Dave Workman on December 13, 2011, 05:16:58 PM
Kinda sad as I have spent a majority of my life in the woods comfortable being unarmed with cats and bears alike, and generally if I felt I needed to be armed it was from two legged predators.  This however does change things dramatically.


Well, I have spent a majority of my life in the woods quite comfortable being armed, so I never worried about two-legged predators or the four-legged variety, neither.
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Biologlists confirmed Wolves killed human
Post by: muzbuster on December 14, 2011, 05:56:10 AM
IN response to Muzbusters paste from the greenies.  They evidently don't know that the woman killed by wolves was a teacher at an Indian school (eskimo)  Nobody knows if the eskimos were there first or the wolves.  She was just teaching them how to read so they could decide for themselves what choices in life to make.  John 3:16 for instance.
No greeny here bud. Your post has me confused.  :dunno:
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