Post by: Practical Approach on December 07, 2011, 03:01:41 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 07, 2011, 03:11:43 PM
Post by: CedarPants on December 07, 2011, 03:22:04 PM
Post by: jgrimes on December 07, 2011, 03:39:25 PM
I report accurately.
:yeah:
Post by: passing-thru on December 07, 2011, 03:41:27 PM
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Post by: Atroxus on December 07, 2011, 08:43:18 PM
I want an incentive tag so I report ASAP
Huh? You get incentive tags for reporting??
Post by: wraithen on December 07, 2011, 08:52:05 PM
Post by: Practical Approach on December 08, 2011, 08:42:10 AM
Post by: lokidog on December 08, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
I don't see any upside to not reporting, or reporting inaccurately. :dunno:
I can see an upside to not reporting all of your crab on your summer card, might extend the season after they tally a below quota amount....
I report accurately BTW.
Post by: jaymark6655 on December 08, 2011, 09:07:03 AM
I don't see any upside to not reporting, or reporting inaccurately. :dunno:I can see an upside to not reporting all of your crab on your summer card, might extend the season after they tally a below quota amount....
I report accurately BTW.
But then there is a possibility of too many crabs being taking which might ruin crabbing for several years, right?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 08, 2011, 02:26:43 PM
Nothing worse than listening to non-voters complain about the government :bash:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 08, 2011, 02:43:12 PM
I've heard that unreported crab cards go into the system as maxed out for limits. So if you don't report thinking it will go into the system as a zero harvest, it actually goes in at the maximum you could've possibly harvested. Just what I have heard, can anyone confirm? Heard this was done to assume a worst case scenario before attempting to extend the quota season. Again, just what I've heard once before.I don't see any upside to not reporting, or reporting inaccurately. :dunno:
I can see an upside to not reporting all of your crab on your summer card, might extend the season after they tally a below quota amount....
I report accurately BTW.
Another thing I've heard regarding possible upside of inaccurate reporting is for wild steelhead. I've heard that wild steelhead retention is based on quota. Certain rivers allow keeping wild steelies and the quota is broken down to 50% tribal and 50% sport/commercial. The amount of quota unharvested by one group can be harvested by another. So all the guys that C&R wild steelies and report 0 kept and don't fill sport/commercial quota have then allocated their percentage of the quota to tribal harvest, so instead of 50% it might be 70 or 90%. So I usually hear from other fisherman how they mark it as being caught so they keep that percentage of wild fish from harvest. The downside I would see to this is if they somehow survey the fish after the fishing season and think that those C&R-fake harvests are actually escapement fish. Not exactly sure how that works for determining the quota and limit.
Post by: Dan-o on December 08, 2011, 03:12:37 PM
Besides, it's kind oif tough to complain about WDFW if you're not going to help them with accurate data.
Post by: elkslayer069 on December 08, 2011, 03:25:49 PM
Post by: Practical Approach on December 08, 2011, 03:34:15 PM
nope not their business and besides it pisses me off when i meet someone out in the woods and they say well in the pamphlet said that there were blaa blaa amount of bucks or bulls taken out of a unit. if you want to know whats where get off you a$$ and from behind your computer and do your own scouting.Interesting, managing wildlife populations is not the business of wildlife managers????Gives you something to really think about. :dunno: I personally use all of my resources to make my hunt the most successfull that I can. It usually means: talking to folks, looking at data, looking at maps, talking to biologist in the area, etc. I try to cut down on some of my scouting time since I don't live near the areas I like to hunt.
Post by: big wood on December 08, 2011, 03:47:24 PM
Post by: doyourtime89 on December 08, 2011, 04:13:57 PM
Post by: Special T on December 08, 2011, 04:33:44 PM
Post by: elkslayer069 on December 08, 2011, 05:18:34 PM
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Interesting, managing wildlife populations is not the business of wildlife managers????Gives you something to really think about. :dunno: I personally use all of my resources to make my hunt the most successfull that I can. It usually means: talking to folks, looking at data, looking at maps, talking to biologist in the area, etc. I try to cut down on some of my scouting time since I don't live near the areas I like to hunt.
Well first off i dont think that the managers are doing a good job 680 (winston&toledo unit) cow permits within a GMU though a 5 month hmm nothing wrong with that, :dunno: and why would i want to say that i killed a bull or a buck. The more people that say they did are just going to encourage more people to hunt the already crowded unit. :twocents: Its just my opinion how right or wrong you may think it is that is how i report my tags. Im done Im not gonna argue about so have a great evening.
Post by: lokidog on December 08, 2011, 09:52:36 PM
I've heard that unreported crab cards go into the system as maxed out for limits. So if you don't report thinking it will go into the system as a zero harvest, it actually goes in at the maximum you could've possibly harvested. Just what I have heard, can anyone confirm? Heard this was done to assume a worst case scenario before attempting to extend the quota season. Again, just what I've heard once before.I don't see any upside to not reporting, or reporting inaccurately. :dunno:
I can see an upside to not reporting all of your crab on your summer card, might extend the season after they tally a below quota amount....
I report accurately BTW.
Another thing I've heard regarding possible upside of inaccurate reporting is for wild steelhead. I've heard that wild steelhead retention is based on quota. Certain rivers allow keeping wild steelies and the quota is broken down to 50% tribal and 50% sport/commercial. The amount of quota unharvested by one group can be harvested by another. So all the guys that C&R wild steelies and report 0 kept and don't fill sport/commercial quota have then allocated their percentage of the quota to tribal harvest, so instead of 50% it might be 70 or 90%. So I usually hear from other fisherman how they mark it as being caught so they keep that percentage of wild fish from harvest. The downside I would see to this is if they somehow survey the fish after the fishing season and think that those C&R-fake harvests are actually escapement fish. Not exactly sure how that works for determining the quota and limit.
Key word in my post was ALL of your harvest. Plus, I think your assumption is innacurate as that would mean all non-reported cards would count as about 200 crabs if they were in area 7 but then if it is not reported, maybe they were in area 10, or 6, or ... get my point, it makes no sense. it would be more accurate if they figured out the average harvest per reported card and then used those numbers to extrapolate the total harves per area.
:dunno:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 08, 2011, 09:57:24 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on December 08, 2011, 09:57:55 PM
Justsayin...
Post by: lokidog on December 08, 2011, 10:12:05 PM
So, how can we be sure that people here are reporting accurately about reporting accurately? :devil:
Justsayin...
I will neither confirm, nor deny that assumption.... Quit it! :stirthepot: :chuckle:
Post by: turkey buster on December 08, 2011, 10:15:30 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 08, 2011, 10:20:23 PM
I report accurately.
Me too :tup:
Post by: NWBREW on December 09, 2011, 03:28:25 AM
Yes and accurate.
:yeah:
Post by: Kowsrule30 on December 10, 2011, 04:07:05 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on December 10, 2011, 06:00:51 PM
Post by: Special T on December 10, 2011, 06:26:42 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,88452.0.html
Post by: christopheri on December 10, 2011, 07:01:40 PM
always and truthful
:yeah: me too.
Post by: dreamunelk on December 10, 2011, 07:14:13 PM
Like this one?
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,88452.0.html
Yes, kind of. Need to add something like. No, I don't want them to know were I hunt or something like that. This poll is a darn good idea and I think will be quite interesting. I know this is not the intent but, I think it would be interesting if designed to have some potential for statistical testing. The poll above does. I think maybe taking a listing of comments and generating questions, say 10 or so, may work.
Post by: Special T on December 10, 2011, 07:20:49 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on December 10, 2011, 07:47:30 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 10, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
Post by: jaymark6655 on December 11, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 06:54:09 AM
Post by: 400out on December 13, 2011, 06:59:31 AM
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 10:50:58 AM
Post by: runamuk on December 13, 2011, 11:12:51 AM
Wouldnt' know most of my time is spent in the Blues. Might change though. I thought elk hunting was supposed to be a challenge? Not so much in the Blues, its like hunting sheep. To easy. Gonna have to find a place thats challenging. You can keep the Blues with all of its big, huge, majestic, powerful, strong, massive, towering, intimidating, alluring, tall, wide, heavy, humongous, fat, beefy, strapping, muscular, ripped, studly, awe inspiring, plentiful, numerous, multiple, over-populated, over-crowded, delicious, mouth watering, tastybull elk.:tup:
hmmm I was going somewhere entirely different and you wrecked my daydream :chuckle:
and isnt sheep hunting something supposedly difficult only done by elitists with lots of money who have a desire to climb up mountains most people really dont wanna go up? To kill some smelly ass mutton with big horns so they can then brag about how their curly sheep horns are bigger than someone else? :dunno:
I reported that I hunted for 3 whole days in the unit I hunted and didnt kill crap...I did on one occasion after hunting season find a nice Budweiser box and proceeded to aerate the sob...then instead of leaving it behind like its previous possessor it is now in the bed of my pickup :dunno:
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 11:22:36 AM
Post by: 400out on December 13, 2011, 11:40:06 AM
Wouldnt' know most of my time is spent in the Blues. Might change though. I thought elk hunting was supposed to be a challenge? Not so much in the Blues, its like hunting sheep. To easy. Gonna have to find a place thats challenging. You can keep the Blues with all of its big, huge, majestic, powerful, strong, massive, towering, intimidating, alluring, tall, wide, heavy, humongous, fat, beefy, strapping, muscular, ripped, studly, awe inspiring, plentiful, numerous, multiple, over-populated, over-crowded, delicious, mouth watering, tasty bull elk. :tup:I think you forgot vastly over rated , hunted , lied about , hunted by indians , sasquatch , Chupacabra , wovles , road hunters , 206 ers , flea bitten toothless trailer wives , residents of the dayton hotel for the extra ordinary and state officials! not to exclude the ones asked to protect the few left for tree huggers to view while driving by fenced in areas instated to keep track of the 2 breeding pairs left for us over here!
Run you go with your original plan it's a good one :tup:
Post by: provider on December 13, 2011, 12:00:21 PM
Post by: runamuk on December 13, 2011, 01:58:19 PM
I am beginning to worry though do I need a tag? :dunno: do I have to report :dunno: oh hell I could become wanted by the law or something for over the limit :oWouldnt' know most of my time is spent in the Blues. Might change though. I thought elk hunting was supposed to be a challenge? Not so much in the Blues, its like hunting sheep. To easy. Gonna have to find a place thats challenging. You can keep the Blues with all of its big, huge, majestic, powerful, strong, massive, towering, intimidating, alluring, tall, wide, heavy, humongous, fat, beefy, strapping, muscular, ripped, studly, awe inspiring, plentiful, numerous, multiple, over-populated, over-crowded, delicious, mouth watering, tasty bull elk. :tup:I think you forgot vastly over rated , hunted , lied about , hunted by indians , sasquatch , Chupacabra , wovles , road hunters , 206 ers , flea bitten toothless trailer wives , residents of the dayton hotel for the extra ordinary and state officials! not to exclude the ones asked to protect the few left for tree huggers to view while driving by fenced in areas instated to keep track of the 2 breeding pairs left for us over here!
Run you go with your original plan it's a good one :tup:
Post by: colockumelk on December 13, 2011, 02:59:07 PM