Post by: General Disarray on July 11, 2007, 07:17:28 AM
I can understand the thinking here, you've got rifle and muzzleloaders seperated into different user groups, why not split bow hunters up??? we've got it pretty good with the seasons they give us now, what do you propose they do to split it up equally? I'd be curious to see what the ratio is for compounds to traditional? 3 out 4 maybe? I'd be willing to use that ratio and give you a 6 or 7 day deer season in Sept and maybe 2 or 3 days for elk. Put it right at the beginning, it's too hot to pack that heavy compound around anyways! ;) Late season? another 4 days or so? That's how the ratio would make it fit.
Would you be able to buy an "archery tag" or would you have to specify your choice of weapons? Define traditional for me? Any bow without cams? Made out of wood? wooden arrow shafts only? no modern camoflage(just threw that one in since I know you guys like your buckskin outfits better!)?
I could see going to something similar to what Oregon does where they have Traditional only units. But that's going to upset everyone that has been hunting that unit before. Maybe we should take back the Indian Reservations and make those traditional only? But then the Indians could still raid and attack the camps! Doesn't get much more traditional than that!
Boneaddict, I know what you are saying. Most bowhunters are hunters and then archers, I consider myself an archer that also hunts. I don't think dividing the minority that we already are is good idea at all. It's one of the reasons I refuse to join or promote the WSB because they are so focused on traditional gear as opposed to compounds(stirring a hornet's nest here :boxin:). It is some what sad to see archery, which has long been considered a "traditional" method, so full of technology. But that is the way of life, some one is always making a better wheel(or cam :) ). I will at least applaud the state in the fact that they do a good job of trying to keep any technology that appears "unfair" out of the woods or other hunting areas. But then again, thanks to some of that same technology, my 8 year old is going to be able to bowhunt with me this year and may never shoot a deer with a rifle.
Hopefully this becomes a productive thread with some valid points from both sides.
Post by: jackelope on July 11, 2007, 08:37:52 AM
one additional concern is you'd have another bunch of yahoo's out there with stick-bows shooting too far and inaccurately. shooting traditional is a whole other ball game from shooting a compound.
Post by: Ray on July 11, 2007, 10:15:56 AM
e.g.
Have a fiberglass laminated bow which doesn't have any compound pulleys; is that considered primitive?
How about if arrows were crafted with synthetic materials or modern machinery? including arrow tips...?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on July 11, 2007, 11:52:23 AM
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Post by: jackelope on July 11, 2007, 04:01:52 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on July 11, 2007, 04:03:36 PM
Post by: boneaddict on July 11, 2007, 04:04:34 PM
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I could see going to something similar to what Oregon does where they have Traditional only units. But that's going to upset everyone that has been hunting that unit before. Maybe we should take back the Indian Reservations and make those traditional only? But then the Indians could still raid and attack the camps! Doesn't get much more traditional than that!:chuckle: Now you're talking.
Post by: boneaddict on July 11, 2007, 04:21:01 PM
I LIKE what Oregon has done with their traditional hunts. Take a late season hunt lie say ALTA. This used to be open to archery, but is't anymore to the late season. Make it a traditional only hunt during the same time frame as the normal late season hunt. That way it doesn't take away from any of the other hunters. Make this very restircictive in regards to equipment. Woodbows only, wooden arrows. Hell you could even go further and make it flint points only if you want, but that might not be as ethical as there might be mortality caused if you kno what I mean. Monitor harvest adjust tag numbers or make it a draw if necessary.
I'm sick of the whole technology thing in regards to all tyes of hunting. I am especially opposed to it in mzzelloading and in archery, but especially muzzeloading. I would never want to attack any user group in huntin though. It just seems idiotic to call some of the modern muzzeloaders a primitive weapon. T/C encore for example. Most states are starting to see this.
Post by: General Disarray on July 11, 2007, 04:23:21 PM
I've got a few friends that are heading to Oregon in August to hunt those Trad only units using a machined riser recurve with sights, release and carbon arrows.... totally legal but I don't think that's exactly what oregon had in mind when they set it up.
QuoteI could see going to something similar to what Oregon does where they have Traditional only units. But that's going to upset everyone that has been hunting that unit before. Maybe we should take back the Indian Reservations and make those traditional only? But then the Indians could still raid and attack the camps! Doesn't get much more traditional than that!:chuckle: Now you're talking.
Post by: Ray on July 11, 2007, 04:25:35 PM
Post by: sisu on July 11, 2007, 06:09:58 PM
1. I could see going to something similar to what Oregon does where they have Traditional only units. But that's going to upset everyone that has been hunting that unit before. Maybe we should take back the Indian Reservations and make those traditional only? But then the Indians could still raid and attack the camps! Doesn't get much more traditional than that!
2. Most bowhunters are hunters and then archers, I consider myself an archer that also hunts. I don't think dividing the minority that we already are is good idea at all. It's one of the reasons I refuse to join or promote the WSB because they are so focused on traditional gear as opposed to compounds(stirring a hornet's nest here :boxin:). It is some what sad to see archery, which has long been considered a "traditional" method, so full of technology. But that is the way of life, some one is always making a better wheel(or cam :) ).
1. Ya, but then I get to hunt with a rolling block black powder metallic cartridge rifle. hahaha
2. This last item is not correct. If you look at several years issues of hunters with their game pictures you will see far more compound WSB members than traditional. In fact the current president is a compound hunter.
Post by: funkster on July 11, 2007, 07:10:27 PM
Just alittle FYI Sportsman's Bowhunting mag has an article called P&Y by the numbers and it states that 96% of the hunter's that tagged book bucks used a compound bow!
Post by: funkster on July 12, 2007, 09:24:13 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on July 12, 2007, 09:49:09 AM
Post by: boneaddict on July 12, 2007, 10:16:58 AM
Post by: funkster on July 12, 2007, 10:43:31 AM
Did it ever occur to you that that leaves a 4% group of hunter's using primitive weapons. Stick with he subject.
Did it ever occur to you that you were the one that got off the topic with your little FYI? Also you are not even thinking before you type. YOU said in your previous post that 96% of the hunters that tagged book bucks was with a compound.. Right?? not 96% of archers hunt with compounds.... Now your confusing yourself and thinking that the 4% that tagged book bucks with traditional is actually the percentage of people that hunt with traditional weapons. So take your own advice and stick to the subject so you don't confuse yourself. Thanks.
I still think primitive should be spears not bows :chuckle:
I was just saying that a primitive weapon season would not be that large of a user group,sorry o' great one that I didn't make myself clear. The WDFW has enough problems with the season's that already exist,why create more problems for them. You already have something against me from the other thread and you are looking for a argument so that is all I have to say to you.
Boneaddict, I will pay you $100 if you could put 3 arrows even 2 inches outside of an X at 60 yrds with a recurve or a longbow with no sights and wood arrows.
Post by: jackelope on July 12, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
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Post by: General Disarray on July 12, 2007, 11:43:15 AM
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Post by: Ray on July 12, 2007, 12:14:05 PM
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Post by: Ridgerunner on July 12, 2007, 12:47:19 PM
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Post by: boneaddict on July 12, 2007, 01:12:04 PM
Post by: sisu on July 12, 2007, 06:23:26 PM
Archers have enough problems with the public image of hunting Bambi with out dividing us within our own ranks.
Sisu
Post by: funkster on July 12, 2007, 09:09:09 PM
After reading all this here is my 3 cents. Archery no matter if you use compound, recurve, long bow it's STILL archery and it's STILL somewhat primitive.
Archers have enough problems with the public image of hunting Bambi with out dividing us within our own ranks.
Sisu
That is what I was trying to say but I guess it did not come out right!!
Miles,no hard feelings. I just felt that after every post I made in the other thread you would come back with a smart comment like "hitting a running elk at 80 yards" I never said anything close to that. I can hash it and I have no hard feelings. I really am a jokester by nature!!
Bonaddict, offer still stands, lets see the video man!!! I don't know how many of you all watch Tred Barta or how you feel about him, but he does hold alot of big game records. He seems to have alot of knowledge about primitive hunting and seems to be a pretty good shot. However, when he came out west for a deer hunt I saw him miss over 30 arrows at yardages 25 to 30 before he connected.He did say it is much harder hunting out west than it is back east with primitive gear.
Post by: bowhuntin on July 12, 2007, 11:07:35 PM
Post by: boneaddict on July 13, 2007, 08:07:59 AM
Post by: Slenk on July 13, 2007, 07:25:35 PM
Can't even buy real blackpowder in Yakima any more.
Well just wait till OSHA get done with us . Well be hunting with sticks and stones . And then they will pass a law on them.
Slenk
Post by: sisu on July 13, 2007, 07:36:27 PM
I have been hallering for year for a primitive muzzleloader season .I wonder if I could get proficient with a throwing stick and spear?
Can't even buy real blackpowder in Yakima any more.
Well just wait till OSHA get done with us . Well be hunting with sticks and stones . And then they will pass a law on them.
Slenk
Post by: boneaddict on July 13, 2007, 07:42:53 PM
Here's Idabooner practicing with his homemade front stuffer.
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Post by: Choclab on July 13, 2007, 07:43:26 PM
Post by: Choclab on July 13, 2007, 07:45:12 PM
After reading everyones posts I would definetley support a primitive season, but I think that it should probably coincide with the season for compound bows but just open up certain units for the primitive guys that are usually closed during the general season.
They already have those....
Post by: General Disarray on July 13, 2007, 07:56:24 PM
After reading everyones posts I would definetley support a primitive season, but I think that it should probably coincide with the season for compound bows but just open up certain units for the primitive guys that are usually closed during the general season.
In Washington State??? don't think so
They already have those....
Post by: Slenk on July 14, 2007, 06:33:43 AM
Be careful Slenk, there are even fewer primitive front stuffers as there are Trad bowmen. ;)
Here's Idabooner practicing with his homemade front stuffer.
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Careful not me I killed game with a longbow w/cedar shafts that I made by hand , before most of the guys on the board were even born . Back in the days when we only had ONE season ,no archery or muzzleloader seasons . Just a general season and we used a metal tag on our animals . The WFG started these other seasons for primitave weapons and thats the way they should be period . And our oldest son still does this over in Idaho.
And that was before I started useing a flintlock for hunting.
Slenk
Post by: GoldTip on July 27, 2007, 09:21:57 AM
My feeling is this type of season would lead to a further fractionation of the bow hunting community and would lead to further arguments of who gets what season and when the season is and what animals may be taken during this season or that season. There is no way around that, it is human nature to believe that "the other guy" is getting it better than I am or he is or she is. My opinion is based only on my belief that doing or adding some sort of season like this could truly lead to less hunting opportunities for all of us, as once this happens, I believe the infighting within the bowhunting ranks would only increase. And that I believe could eventually lead to our demise.
Post by: boneaddict on July 27, 2007, 09:40:49 AM
Post by: Ray on July 27, 2007, 09:46:22 AM
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Post by: sisu on July 27, 2007, 12:03:48 PM
It seems like a good idea but it'll never happen unless a tribe would say..."hey lets let the non-natives come in here with traditional gear but we get to use modern". Then it would happen. Until then kiss it off.
Post by: boneaddict on July 27, 2007, 12:13:30 PM