Post by: j_h_nimrod on December 15, 2011, 10:59:13 PM
A friend recently shot a 4x5 whitetail with a bow near Manson. The shot was at last shooting light and after waiting 1.5 hours he went to find the animal. As it happens the deer was still alive and, though fatally wounded, was still able to get up and move off slowly. Thinking as we have learned to about wounded animals and letting them di, he pulled out for the night and intended to go back in the AM to pick up the trail and get his prize.
Early the next morn while scouting for the sign and looking for the dead deer, he found it. In the proceeding 10 hours it had been devoured by coyotes. All that was left was the rack and a skeleton with a little hide left.
My buddy was devestated, is this something common here? What else could he have done differently to keep this from happening?
Regardless, it looks like we need to take the coyote population down a notch or three.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 15, 2011, 11:06:59 PM
-Steve
Post by: jess on December 15, 2011, 11:29:57 PM
Post by: buck man on December 15, 2011, 11:30:43 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on December 16, 2011, 06:27:38 AM
Post by: sirfunkeybut on December 16, 2011, 07:43:23 AM
Post by: h20hunter on December 16, 2011, 07:51:00 AM
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 07:55:09 AM
Post by: Curly on December 16, 2011, 07:56:24 AM
edit - funny you should post that 400out. I was just typing my post as you were posting. :)
Post by: high country on December 16, 2011, 07:58:02 AM
that is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
If it was 70* at night I would agree.....in the winter, not so much.
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 07:59:38 AM
Post by: h20hunter on December 16, 2011, 08:05:41 AM
Post by: Curly on December 16, 2011, 08:05:56 AM
Yeah I'm sure it was mine! For some reason there was a lot of chit talking about my hunting ability and ethics :bash: It happens! For the record if you could see the canyon behind and to the right of this deer only a idiot would go in after dark and push a deer ;)
Yeah, your story and those pics were shocking. I will always remember those pics.......I was :yike:
Post by: h20hunter on December 16, 2011, 08:07:05 AM
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 08:14:33 AM
If you track your kill the next day, find it all eaten up, then still tag it and claim it your better than some....maybe most.:yeah: and Hhe tagged it! Me and a buddy put some meat together from our kills and took it over to him as a good job jesture :tup:
Post by: AOD on December 16, 2011, 08:24:28 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 16, 2011, 08:34:26 AM
For the record if you could see the canyon behind and to the right of this deer only a idiot would go in after dark and push a deer ;)
Good point, but one does not need to push a deer when camped on him. .. First yip from a doggy warrents a shot over the bow. Most times that will be enough to scare them away.
-Steve
Post by: mrmoskillz on December 16, 2011, 09:34:39 AM
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 10:14:44 AM
It was right before dark and I tracked it for a bit then backed out and came back next morning! and what the picture doesn't show is the damn thing died not 5 feet from the den :bash: I can't imagine what went through the yotes heads when they crowled out of the hole to go hunting for the night!For the record if you could see the canyon behind and to the right of this deer only a idiot would go in after dark and push a deer ;)
Good point, but one does not need to push a deer when camped on him. .. First yip from a doggy warrents a shot over the bow. Most times that will be enough to scare them away.
-Steve
Post by: h20hunter on December 16, 2011, 10:26:08 AM
Papa yote got up....headed out....saw your deer......started looking around thinking either I'm dead or bonanza!
Post by: jaymark6655 on December 16, 2011, 10:27:26 AM
Post by: THunt on December 16, 2011, 10:29:22 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 16, 2011, 12:36:42 PM
I can't imagine what went through the yotes heads when they crowled out of the hole to go hunting for the night!
Damn.. Sometimes you just can't win! That sux.
Every situation is different. A hunter needs to make decisions when darkness falls. Some for the better, some for the worse, some things are out of our control. Fortunately I've been quite lucky not to have needed to let a deer sit over night.
-Steve
Post by: predatorpro on December 16, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
Didnt kow where to post this but figured since it was a deer hunt this would work.hell ya its common out here if you leave a deer overnight! ud be amazed how many coyotes were eating on that thing!! we seen some guys shoot a 2 point along time ago from a long ways out with binocs! couldnt ever get on em they were gettin out of dodge, well the next morning 7 coyotes jumped off it, nothing but bones and some fur they even ate all the skin, nothing left on the bones!!
A friend recently shot a 4x5 whitetail with a bow near Manson. The shot was at last shooting light and after waiting 1.5 hours he went to find the animal. As it happens the deer was still alive and, though fatally wounded, was still able to get up and move off slowly. Thinking as we have learned to about wounded animals and letting them di, he pulled out for the night and intended to go back in the AM to pick up the trail and get his prize.
Early the next morn while scouting for the sign and looking for the dead deer, he found it. In the proceeding 10 hours it had been devoured by coyotes. All that was left was the rack and a skeleton with a little hide left.
My buddy was devestated, is this something common here? What else could he have done differently to keep this from happening?
Regardless, it looks like we need to take the coyote population down a notch or three.
Post by: Buckmark on December 16, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
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Archery season or late archery hunt + Winter range + Spotlight + Rifle = :bdid:
Would have to be your personal protection weapon only on you, and still add a spotlight to the mix and a warden may not be to friendly, just sayin...
Post by: Odell on December 16, 2011, 12:57:01 PM
Post by: JLS on December 16, 2011, 01:06:24 PM
I would never push an arrow shot buck after dark if I knew it was still up and moving. Let it bed and die, and you have a chance of recovering it. Push it and lose the blood trail and you won't recover it.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 16, 2011, 01:26:01 PM
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
Don't know, but a chunk of lead is what should of gone through their head.:chuckle: it did the next day :chuckle: wel I would call it his head :chuckle:
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 01:31:23 PM
Do you have a pic of the deer?yeah page 1
Post by: MtnMuley on December 16, 2011, 02:12:23 PM
I'd say it was just bad luck.
I would never push an arrow shot buck after dark if I knew it was still up and moving. Let it bed and die, and you have a chance of recovering it. Push it and lose the blood trail and you won't recover it.
Best comment made. :twocents:
Post by: WSU on December 16, 2011, 02:13:55 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 16, 2011, 04:58:11 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2011, 05:02:47 PM
that is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 16, 2011, 05:48:25 PM
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Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 06:46:08 PM
I ran after this deer! I am no TV hunter but when I lost him over the hill and the canyon looks the way this one did it was the common sense to wait it out and go in the morning! Like I stated before only a dumb ars would have pushed this deer at that point in the day with that kind of terrain :twocents: Hope your talking to me ;)that is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 16, 2011, 06:48:38 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 16, 2011, 07:00:47 PM
that is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
That's exactly how I feel but I'm often accused of being insensative around here, which I am. I was taking a break from my insensitivity so I didn't post it but I am a chauvinistic pig. :rockin:
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 16, 2011, 07:03:55 PM
I ran after this deer! I am no TV hunter but when I lost him over the hill and the canyon looks the way this one did it was the common sense to wait it out and go in the morning! Like I stated before only a dumb ars would have pushed this deer at that point in the day with that kind of terrain :twocents: Hope your talking to me ;)that is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
Hang out for a couple hours then, grab the MagLite or the Surefire and go find his dead hindend but dont drive home???
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 07:10:44 PM
Post by: HornHoarder on December 16, 2011, 07:17:38 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 16, 2011, 07:24:43 PM
Post by: buckman202 on December 16, 2011, 07:42:34 PM
Post by: got2hunt on December 16, 2011, 08:03:44 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 16, 2011, 08:26:52 PM
:tup: :tup: :tup: maybe ask NASA for a satalite image of the canyon :dunno: if I didn't have enough blood at last light what makes you think I would have it under mag light :dunno: Thanks for the help though :tup:
I can hook you up with some of my secret squirrel, ninja type, black op's brothers and for the right amount of cash they can hook you up with that imagery and some dancing girls with a portable stripper pole all hopped up on Earl Gray. :rockin: :party1:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 16, 2011, 08:36:09 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 16, 2011, 08:58:04 PM
hammer, I think you're on to something..... The regs say no aircraft for hunting, but nothing about live feed satellite imagery. Can only imagine if someone had a display and an appropriately timed passover....what they could do to find some animals.
It's a shame that none of the clowns at Google Earth will ever have a security clearance remotly close to getting anything in real or even close to real time, because they could be baught. :chuckle: And I would be putting thousands of bucks into raffle tickets. :brew:
F.L.I.R Units can be real handy.
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 09:06:42 PM
now i would have had lights brought to me for a stripper pole! ;) would have stayed out there all night might not have found a deer but would have stayed :drool::tup: :tup: :tup: maybe ask NASA for a satalite image of the canyon :dunno: if I didn't have enough blood at last light what makes you think I would have it under mag light :dunno: Thanks for the help though :tup:
I can hook you up with some of my secret squirrel, ninja type, black op's brothers and for the right amount of cash they can hook you up with that imagery and some dancing girls with a portable stripper pole all hopped up on Earl Gray. :rockin: :party1:
Post by: h2ofowlr on December 16, 2011, 09:35:12 PM
that is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...How many of these filmed tv shows, show the crew coming back the next morning to recover there kill. Quite a few actually. Watch one episode where a yote had a nice meal on the buck the guy had found the next morning. Probably pretty common for those folks that leave them over night in yote or wolf country.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 16, 2011, 10:29:13 PM
That was the last time I watched the Outdoor channel or any of those fake hunting shows.
Post by: husky270 on December 16, 2011, 11:01:07 PM
Post by: JLS on December 17, 2011, 09:18:34 AM
that is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
Any good bowhunter would.
Post by: jaymark6655 on December 17, 2011, 09:28:27 AM
I force myself to wait about 30 min. if I don't see it just drop. It is mainly to give myself a chance to calm down.that is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Any good bowhunter would.
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
Post by: Odell on December 17, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2011, 09:57:54 AM
Wthat is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
Any good bowhunter would.
Let's face it, it's a Rookie mistake that could have derived from what he was told or what he read about or what he watched. Most with field expirience and some animals behind them. Know what type of hit they have. By watching the hit, watching the animals reaction and a quick look at the impact area and blood trail and adjust accordingly, In open country here in Eastern WA. Why are you going to wait 8 hours or so after a hit???? Huge open country. That's like instead of walking quickly through water posted for piranhas , you strip down and take a 8-10 hour bath and when you have piranhas hang from your junk, you wonder why?, What the heck do you expect. Really, this isn't back east with little pansy foxes to worry about like people watch on the outdoor channels. Around here the big cats and Coyotes will take a shot at your dog on your front porch. So what's going to stop them from eating your animal to bare bones while our playing grab ass however many miles away. A heap of sheeet cant even begin to equal a teaspoon of COMMON SENSE!!
Post by: BoomWhop on December 17, 2011, 10:18:41 AM
Post by: JLS on December 17, 2011, 10:35:23 AM
Wthat is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
Any good bowhunter would.
Let's face it, it's a Rookie mistake that could have derived from what he was told or what he read about or what he watched. Most with field expirience and some animals behind them. Know what type of hit they have. By watching the hit, watching the animals reaction and a quick look at the impact area and blood trail and adjust accordingly, In open country here in Eastern WA. Why are you going to wait 8 hours or so after a hit???? Huge open country. That's like instead of walking quickly through water posted for piranhas , you strip down and take a 8-10 hour bath and when you have piranhas hang from your junk, you wonder why?, What the heck do you expect. Really, this isn't back east with little pansy foxes to worry about like people watch on the outdoor channels. Around here the big cats and Coyotes will take a shot at your dog on your front porch. So what's going to stop them from eating your animal to bare bones while our playing grab ass however many miles away. A heap of sheeet cant even begin to equal a teaspoon of COMMON SENSE!!
I see it differently. The deer was still up and moving 1.5 hours after he shot it. Not good. Open country or not, an animal pushed can absolutely vanish with no blood trail. I've had it happen and I'm sure some of you have too. I think they did absolutely the right thing, and it's just poor luck.
I'm not saying I'd leave every animal overnight that I shot right at dark, but I sure would rather take the chance of losing some meat to the coyotes than risk not finding the animal at all. I guess the moral of the story is that if you take a shot right at dark, make sure it's a good one.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 17, 2011, 12:15:31 PM
Back east where this is popular, you push an animal and it goes onto some other property you don't have permission to hunt. So they hope by not pushing it, it will die on the property they can hunt.
Give it a few minutes to settle down, cuz it doesn't even know what happened. Then follow the blood trail slowly just like you're still hunting and if need be, get another shot into it.
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 17, 2011, 01:21:25 PM
Wthat is why you never let an animal lay overnight and who would want to eat it after the guts stayed in it for ten hours... They do it on tv because they give the meat to the food bank and dont care if it is spoiled.... I would have hounded that buck all night until it was in my hands... its a shame hopefully your buddy learned a valuable lesson here and never leaves an animal overnight again...
Exactly..........who waits for even an hour to look for an animal. That's TV B.S.
Any good bowhunter would.
Let's face it, it's a Rookie mistake that could have derived from what he was told or what he read about or what he watched. Most with field expirience and some animals behind them. Know what type of hit they have. By watching the hit, watching the animals reaction and a quick look at the impact area and blood trail and adjust accordingly, In open country here in Eastern WA. Why are you going to wait 8 hours or so after a hit???? Huge open country. That's like instead of walking quickly through water posted for piranhas , you strip down and take a 8-10 hour bath and when you have piranhas hang from your junk, you wonder why?, What the heck do you expect. Really, this isn't back east with little pansy foxes to worry about like people watch on the outdoor channels. Around here the big cats and Coyotes will take a shot at your dog on your front porch. So what's going to stop them from eating your animal to bare bones while our playing grab ass however many miles away. A heap of sheeet cant even begin to equal a teaspoon of COMMON SENSE!!
I see it differently. The deer was still up and moving 1.5 hours after he shot it. Not good. Open country or not, an animal pushed can absolutely vanish with no blood trail. I've had it happen and I'm sure some of you have too. I think they did absolutely the right thing, and it's just poor luck.
I'm not saying I'd leave every animal overnight that I shot right at dark, but I sure would rather take the chance of losing some meat to the coyotes than risk not finding the animal at all. I guess the moral of the story is that if you take a shot right at dark, make sure it's a good one.
Pushed and vanished is exactly the same as, devowered by yotes and cats in my book. I'll push before I'll feed the likes of them. I had to track a Mulie shot with a 7mm Magnum at dark in the rain, it was as if he had been abducted by aliens and not the ones south of our boarder. Just had to look a litlle longer and a little further, extra Surefire battery's work wonders.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on December 17, 2011, 01:22:17 PM
Post by: JLS on December 17, 2011, 01:32:39 PM
Another thing to consider is, the longer you wait, the more likely the wound will plug up and there will be no blood trail to follow.
Back east where this is popular, you push an animal and it goes onto some other property you don't have permission to hunt. So they hope by not pushing it, it will die on the property they can hunt.
Give it a few minutes to settle down, cuz it doesn't even know what happened. Then follow the blood trail slowly just like you're still hunting and if need be, get another shot into it.
If it's dark, this is not only difficult but also illegal.
Edit: Shooting it again after dark would be illegal, not following it.
Also, by your own logic of the bleeding slowing and/or stopping over time, doesn't this make it all the more important you don't bump it out of it's bed? I've learned this the hard way.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 17, 2011, 03:14:32 PM