Post by: Bob33 on December 16, 2011, 01:23:25 PM
Post by: Rooster1981 on December 16, 2011, 01:45:00 PM
Great video thanks for sharing
Post by: 358NM on December 16, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
Post by: Machias on December 16, 2011, 01:55:56 PM
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 01:59:58 PM
Post by: luvtohnt on December 16, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
Brandon
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 16, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on December 16, 2011, 02:39:42 PM
Post by: engelwood on December 16, 2011, 02:41:03 PM
Sad but true story!
Post by: h2ofowlr on December 16, 2011, 02:47:08 PM
Post by: turkey slayer on December 16, 2011, 03:33:43 PM
This is definitely the most tasteful and well put together video about the wolf wars I have seen!!
Brandon
I agree its time to start doing something. Thank you for sharing :tup:
Post by: Hilltop123 on December 16, 2011, 05:56:58 PM
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 16, 2011, 07:12:17 PM
when a Vid is made showing 'Trophy Class"animals , I really know who is behind the production, and could care less.
guides and outfitters are more concerned about the wolve's than ag oriented producer's are. and for a "financial" reason,go ahead and start the crap, but too many people are making money off of the "public's " animals from ducks to moose.
simply because the "populace" wants it quick and easy and are willing to pay for it'
and it all boils down on this site as to "who" kills the animal, the great hunter or the damned wolf, "DEAD and not reproducing is still DEAD.
Post by: ribka on December 16, 2011, 07:15:17 PM
Post by: 400out on December 16, 2011, 07:40:41 PM
sorry won't sign off on this, the facts are incorrect, it was historically the various livestock assn's that took action to allow bounty's on wolves,as well as the states as there was not a RMEF or MDF or any other org at the time. And I really do not care if a wolf eats a $2500 elk that a "guide" gets paid for on public or private property. I truly am more concerned about the "average hunter" having success every 2 or 3 years.I wish I had a hammer smiley for you right now! if it's on publis land that a guide is guiding on then where else is a hunter supposed to go :dunno: the private land that the guide didn't go on because he didn't want to hunt it :dunno: If you teach the wovles to read and stay on thier land and eat what is there then you have a deal! it doesn't get anymoer black and white than that video :twocents: (akdjfgbkljadfglkjadhfgkljhadklgfj) that is me wishing a I had a middle finger to post just for you :twocents:
when a Vid is made showing 'Trophy Class"animals , I really know who is behind the production, and could care less.
guides and outfitters are more concerned about the wolve's than ag oriented producer's are. and for a "financial" reason,go ahead and start the crap, but too many people are making money off of the "public's " animals from ducks to moose.
simply because the "populace" wants it quick and easy and are willing to pay for it'
and it all boils down on this site as to "who" kills the animal, the great hunter or the damned wolf, "DEAD and not reproducing is still DEAD.
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 16, 2011, 08:19:06 PM
Post by: seth30 on December 16, 2011, 08:27:02 PM
you are entitled to your opinion , same as I . However I appear to be sober. :chuckle: :chuckle::stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot:
Post by: Whitpirate on December 16, 2011, 10:14:12 PM
Post by: kglacken on December 16, 2011, 11:05:49 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on December 16, 2011, 11:25:36 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 17, 2011, 12:35:47 AM
Post by: FC on December 17, 2011, 12:54:00 AM
Post by: NWBREW on December 17, 2011, 01:12:58 AM
sorry won't sign off on this, the facts are incorrect, it was historically the various livestock assn's that took action to allow bounty's on wolves,as well as the states as there was not a RMEF or MDF or any other org at the time. And I really do not care if a wolf eats a $2500 elk that a "guide" gets paid for on public or private property. I truly am more concerned about the "average hunter" having success every 2 or 3 years.
when a Vid is made showing 'Trophy Class"animals , I really know who is behind the production, and could care less.
guides and outfitters are more concerned about the wolve's than ag oriented producer's are. and for a "financial" reason,go ahead and start the crap, but too many people are making money off of the "public's " animals from ducks to moose.
simply because the "populace" wants it quick and easy and are willing to pay for it'
and it all boils down on this site as to "who" kills the animal, the great hunter or the damned wolf, "DEAD and not reproducing is still DEAD.
Well, I'm sober. What the heck don't you see. It's about a whole lot more then that. Just at the point right now small mom and pop businesses that rely on sportsmen for seasonal $ are shutting their doors just because they are now where big game WAS. If you don't believe it....maybe go for a drive and find out for yourself. :twocents:
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 17, 2011, 02:17:43 AM
Post by: villageidiot on December 17, 2011, 09:50:05 AM
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 17, 2011, 10:34:59 AM
I am a livestock producer, and have been one in the eastern part of Wa. for 40 years.
I have had to deal with predators, both 2 legged and 4 legged, and will continue to do so.
I am sick and tired of the Wolf hysteria, and all the out of state and in state "sportsmen"groups attempting to ride to the rescue, just send donations.
I am tired of all the contrived theatrical wolf stories.
If you really want to help, and have factual proof of wolves,(not rumors), and real photos, and game units, and submit that factual intel to the Wolf Sightings on this website, then you are doing something good and honorable.
FACTUAL information can then be used to pressure WDFW to acknowledge another BP,or pack , so the quota numbers can be reached in a timely manner.
rumors, and internet karate and high priced production videos will not stop the wolf program as it is , now we need to "factually" locate the wolve's and provide authentic documentation to the state so that the 15 BP's are acknowledged as soon as possible, then perhaps they will allow some control measures.
people want the "king" to improve and maintain every aspect of our lives, this is one instance where the people can make a difference, one individual with a sound mind, and the good sense to investigate, document, photograph, and report an actual sigting is worth more right now than any large sportsmens group can do with your donations.
And those of you who are so quick to donate, there are groups here in Washington, for washington that would be a better choice for your hard earned dollars. :twocents:
Post by: asl20bball on December 17, 2011, 02:54:04 PM
Facts are that conservations efforts of hunters have helped build up ungulate populations to historic levels over the last 70+ years w/out wolves in the picture.
Facts are now that the wolves are here again elk herds are declining. 2 examples...Lolo Elk herd went from 16K to 2K. Yellowstone herd from 20K to 5K
Facts are that the WDFW and the wolf commission has chosen to ignore present history from the Rocky Mtn states so what makes you think they'll listen to us now. This is a lesson we unfortunately, are going to learn the hard way.
The FACTS ,as you so state, are right in front of your friggin face buddy.... all you have to do is look at what's happening in the neighboring rocky mt states. If we ignore them then facts will become reality here in Washington..and that's why we need to be proactive.
Post by: huntrights on December 18, 2011, 12:23:13 AM
Here's what I sent to family and friends.
Big Game Forever - Important Message
Watch this video:
feature=youtu.be
Then go to Big Game Forever and sign the petition; it’s important.
http://biggameforever.org/
Please pass this on to your sportsmen family and friends.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on December 18, 2011, 06:08:16 AM
"factually" locate the wolve's
Then gut shoot them and leave them lay............................. :dunno:
Post by: huntrights on December 18, 2011, 09:38:52 AM
I posted this in one of the other threads. I believe we, as sportsmen with a vested interest in our ungulate populations and the future of hunting, should pursue taking an active role in working with the WDFW to ensure they do not underestimate wolf populations or the number of breeding pairs in the zones they have defined. In my opinion, one or two WDFW biologists and/or wolf specialists cannot possibly accurately assess the numbers of wolves in this state; I believe they will need help. The wolves are here and that fact most likely is not going to change. I believe it would be a benefit to our ungulate populations, ranchers, and the hunters in this state to develop a working partnership with the WDFW to obtain accurate wolf counts as quickly as possible. I believe this type of effort will expedite active and appropriate management of the wolf populations so the state of Washington doesn’t experience the same extreme negative impact that wolves bestowed on our neighboring states. If we, as conscientious sportsmen, can work with the WDFW in this way, perhaps we can also reestablish the hunter-WDFW relationship that should exist.
"Washington Wolf Conservation and Management Plan Accepted by Commissioners with Amendments
The WDFW Commissioners voted to accept the Washington Wolf Conservation and Management Plan with amendments that were proposed at the meeting. I will not try to paraphrase the amendments; it would be best for those interested to read the actual amendments when they are available to view. Multiple Commissioners indicated that the plan, with the amendments, will give the WDFW flexibility to respond to issues such as threats to ungulate populations and livestock. They also indicated that the plan will be a ”Living” document that should support adaptive management of the wolf population; that is, the plan can be changed as the situation changes in reality. The Commissioners appeared very cognizant of the issues experienced in other states as wolf populations were allowed to grow beyond target levels.
Much of the controversy seems to center around a sustainable wolf population being in place in the State of Washington. That said; the sooner target wolf levels are achieved, the sooner the process can be started to downgrade the threatened or endangered status (delist); this will allow the WDFW more flexibility in appropriate management of the species. As was mentioned at the meeting, financial and human resources are an issue when allocating these resources to actually obtain accurate wolf counts and numbers of breeding pairs in the various zones. My personal opinion is that the WDFW resource issue will not be resolved anytime soon; there does not appear to be enough money or qualified people on staff to adequately monitor the wolves.
There is a wolf sightings post in this forum. I do not know how much of an official link there is to the WDFW, but I would propose that some official link or agreement be made with WDFW; I believe they could use the help. If hunters, ranchers, and others in areas where the wolves are expanding can photograph the wolves, and/or identify where their dens are, then the WDFW wolf specialist(s) can be taken to the exact locations where there is undisputable evidence of the wolves and/or breeding pairs. I am concerned that if the WDFW monitors the wolf population and breeding pair status alone, using their limited resources, their assessment may be a significant underestimate of how many wolves and breeding pairs there actually are. My point is: I believe we should find some way to work with the WDFW to ensure the state wolf population and number of breeding pairs is assessed as accurately as possible.
As always, efforts should be unified. I believe there are many national and state organizations that might be able to help coordinate such an effort to help the WDFW. I don’t believe it would be in the best interest of our ungulate populations, livestock ranches, or rural communities to have official wolf counts show numbers that might tend to be less than the actual number of wolves. Those of you that have connections with organizations such as the RMEF, Hunter’s Heritage Council, Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation, Safari Club International, Washington for Wildlife, and Big Game Forever, to name a few, might consider proposing such partnerships with state game management departments. I believe if we work together, positive results are more likely.
Here's the link to the WDFW news release:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release.php?id=dec0311a "
Post by: nwwanderer on December 18, 2011, 11:38:38 AM