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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Lawman on December 23, 2011, 10:34:27 AM

Title: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: Lawman on December 23, 2011, 10:34:27 AM: I am a new guy on the block and I was watching a show this morning where a hunter pulled a shot with a 50cal muzzleloader at 325 yrds ...WOW. dropped it ....crazy ..ANYONE PULL A SHOT LIKE THAT ON HERE ? I may need to buy one if they shoot like that ... :tup:
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: DoubleJ on December 23, 2011, 10:39:55 AM: :bdid:
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: h20hunter on December 23, 2011, 10:43:32 AM: Here we go!!!!!!!

Is is possible...probably.
Can modern smokepoles do it.....probably.
Can bows shoot 100 yards.....yep.
Can rifles shoot 100o yards.....yep.

Can hunters make shots on game at those ranges........sure.

Every time......nah.....probably not.

Should the average joe try it......i'd say defenitely not.

Also...remember......its a SHOW...........how many shots did it take? Did the animal really drop or did they cut the scene and chase it down and shoot it again?
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: Lawman on December 23, 2011, 10:46:34 AM: you know H20 ...Plus the deer was blowed up alittle in the video :tup:
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: dscubame on December 23, 2011, 10:52:19 AM: Not enough energy at 325 to even penetrate a hide is my bet. Darn bullet would be dropping at such a great rate I bet it would bounce right off.
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: coachcw on December 23, 2011, 11:12:06 AM: Quote from: JKEEN33 on December 23, 2011, 11:09:55 AM
Absolutely possible and easier than it's being made out here. No I am not making that shot on animals with my equipment, but I do shoot 225 all the time with open sites and 4" groups penetrating a 4x4 backstop into sand we built. If you think at 325 it's goig to be bouncing off skin you are highy mistaken.

Some of these newer front stuffers used in other states with scopes will shoot right along with modern rifles.
:yeah:
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2011, 11:30:01 AM: Quote from: JKEEN33 on December 23, 2011, 11:09:55 AM
Absolutely possible and easier than it's being made out here. No I am not making that shot on animals with my equipment, but I do shoot 225 all the time with open sites and 4" groups penetrating a 4x4 backstop into sand we built. If you think at 325 it's going to be bouncing off skin you are highy mistaken.

Some of these newer front stuffers used in other states with scopes will shoot right along with modern rifles.
:yeah:
I looked at some ballistic tables and newer muzzies can keep a 200 gr bullet at around 1650 fps (and they weren't at max charge). That's better momentum than most factory .243 or 7mm-08 provide. Those two will bounce off before a muzzy will.
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: high country on December 23, 2011, 11:31:53 AM: You naysayers are awesome. If you were to dig up a thread I started on the campfire you will see some of the rigs Dan shoots. I am willing to bet he can out shoot more than half of us at 300-600 yards with an open sighted muzzleloader. Playing the tof is a tough one, but accuracy is not the issue. As for retained energy/velocity I would not worry as you will never shoot that far on purpose.
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: coyotewallace on December 23, 2011, 11:42:27 AM: I will say that I'm sure to the OP that was with a scoped 209 gun.
Here is a whitetail buck I took this year in Ohio W/ my "scoped 209 CVA Optima" during the modern season. (Shotgun,MLer's and straight walled pistol only)

Shot this buck at 254 yards and used the 250g TEZ. 1 shot drop

shot 2 does as well. 1@ 182 yards and 1@ 145 yards...both of these the bullet passed through....

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FIMAG0213.jpg&hash=5976f0d67604b667d5f8590b682eed56eb9f6965)

here is the spend slug 247.34g

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FIMAG0220.jpg&hash=74c6581f6ad244551ce921c1021835369548df59)

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FIMAG0219.jpg&hash=85b6b0afe1553b8ff2bb30cb58d522ca61d5f8d5)

So yea it can be done!
I myself without a scope wouldn't take more then a 100-125 yard shot with my Wa. gun(T/C BlackDiamond XR) and like the ML Reg's here in Wa.

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1149 fps & 733 ft lbs +/- at 300 yards with a 250g bullet and a MV of 1996fps

this is the bullet I used in quick load:
.452, 250, Hornady FTX 45201=BC.210
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: DoubleJ on December 23, 2011, 11:45:03 AM: If all of this is true, what's the point of muzzy season? Might as well spilit it in two and give the archers and mod guys each a couple more weeks each year.
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: h20hunter on December 23, 2011, 12:06:55 PM: What he said.

My comments were directed towards WA restritions on scopes and such...
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 23, 2011, 12:14:16 PM: A muzzleloader has plenty of killing power at those ranges. I have seen critters shot well past that as well. Most people should not shoot that far but just like with rifle and bow. Some can do well at those ranges. Do you take a lot more risk at losing a animal on a bad shot? Sure its a given when you start shooting at any extended ranges.
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 23, 2011, 12:20:29 PM: Bounce off?? Hopefully that was just a figure of speech, that weapon is more than capable of dropping an animal in its tracks at that range, the only problem is most of the time the hunter is not.
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: high country on December 23, 2011, 01:05:32 PM: I will be building an Allen boxlock later this year. The guys who build super accurate stuffers tend to like underhammer guns, but they are pretty impractical for hunting. You don't need 209's for accurate rifles.
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: Lawman on December 23, 2011, 01:12:27 PM: well ya know ...all the old timers maybe need to realize that new technology is come your way fast .. with the muzzys being able to shoot a jacket bullet now days its like given them a rifle ...and they do now drop some game !
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: Bigshooter on December 23, 2011, 07:47:25 PM: Was this show long range pursuit? Were they hunting mule deer in NM? If it was here is the muzzleloader they were using.

http://www.gunwerks.com/Shooting-Systems/LRM-500-Muzzle-Loader-Long-Range-System.aspx

http://www.longrangepursuit.com/
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 23, 2011, 07:53:22 PM: Quote from: Lawman on December 23, 2011, 01:12:27 PM
well ya know ...all the old timers maybe need to realize that new technology is come your way fast .. with the muzzys being able to shoot a jacket bullet now days its like given them a rifle ...and they do now drop some game !
Quote from: DoubleJ on December 23, 2011, 11:45:03 AM
If all of this is true, what's the point of muzzy season? Might as well spilit it in two and give the archers and mod guys each a couple more weeks each year.

This just lends creedence to the fact they aren't a primitive weapon anymore. My next statement would bring the wrath of the Muzzleloaders upon me!
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: adamR on December 23, 2011, 07:56:37 PM: Quote from: Bigshooter on December 23, 2011, 07:47:25 PM
Was this show long range pursuit? Were they hunting mule deer in NM? If it was here is the muzzleloader they were using.

that show is a joke!
only saw a couple of them and they drove down a road until they saw a big buck, got out, ranged it at like 912 yards, laid down, dialed in the scope and shot, then drove to the next road just above the buck and walked 100 yards to it
thats not hunting!!!
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: TheHunt on December 23, 2011, 09:21:21 PM: 225 yards seen it done with a deer. 325... Definitely possible but would take practice and some good bullets...
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: high country on December 23, 2011, 09:23:19 PM: The boxlock here is what I will use...

http://www.longrifles-pr.com/actions.shtml

This will show the potential of a non inline rifle.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5402032/1
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: bobcat on December 23, 2011, 09:23:31 PM: For me, 75 yards is a long shot with my muzzleloader. Anything over 200 and I'd do just as well with a slingshot.
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: norsepeak on December 23, 2011, 09:45:38 PM: saw this gun last year at SCI, very nice gun.

http://ultimatefirearms.com/
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 23, 2011, 09:49:03 PM: Another one is bad bull muzzleloaders. They make some sweet guns but dang :yike: They are way to spendy :chuckle:
Title: Re: 325 YRDS with a muzzy ...
Post by: coachcw on December 23, 2011, 10:26:05 PM: there pretty much a 45-70 with a scope 325 seems very doible open sights not so sure , I couldn't do it .