Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 28, 2011, 11:25:00 AM
Post by: JPhelps on December 28, 2011, 11:31:15 AM
Post by: rbros on December 28, 2011, 04:40:25 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 28, 2011, 09:41:17 PM
Post by: rbros on December 29, 2011, 07:48:34 AM
Screw the Bergers! They cant do anything the 208 A-Max has done, is doing and will do.
Except shoot flatter, less wind drift, and hit a little harder. Both will perform the same on critters for sure. The A Max is a little softer than the Berger, but both will kill.
Based on my results on paper at 1k, the Berger does shoot flatter and less windage by:
Elevation: 9.25"
Windage: 6"
It hits harder by 200ft/lbs roughly according to the ballistic programs. I have shot these several time on paper at 1K to see the difference in 300WM and 300 RUM and the results are pretty damn consistent.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 29, 2011, 08:18:46 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 06, 2012, 10:22:23 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 31, 2012, 08:33:23 PM
Post by: MDGrand on February 01, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
The Berger 210 VLD on the other hand IS made for hunting.. so..
Post by: MtnMuley on February 01, 2012, 12:50:11 PM
finished setting up my reloading set today, and made a dummy round for length using the 215s. these would be 3.9 inches OAL to touch the lands. i will try loading at 3.69 for my first development rounds. i hope they will shoot with that jump. it shoots well with the 210 vld and .1 inch jump, the hybrid supposed to shoot well with more jump so we will see.
Make sure at 3.69, that you can load your magazine before you build too far/much. :twocents:
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 01, 2012, 02:17:04 PM
I think what needs to be made clear here though, is that The Hornday A-Max, is NOT designed for hunting. Not to say it can't be used.. but know that if you use it, and it does not do what you want, its because its a target round and not meant to used on Animals.
The Berger 210 VLD on the other hand IS made for hunting.. so..
Have you witnessed what a 208 A-Max does to Mule deer and Elk at extended ranges with a .300 Win Mag pushing it? I have, it's a very effective bullet. I wouldn't trust it point blank, especially with a Ultra Mag case behind it. In close it acts just like a SST at higher velocities, a very effective rockchuck/varmint bullet and thats it.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 01, 2012, 04:56:22 PM
yep :tup: that is the longest that will fit and feed. same length i was loading the 210s. the 215 are .1 or so longer on the nose causing a bit more jump. may load a few tonight, then have to find time to hit the range.finished setting up my reloading set today, and made a dummy round for length using the 215s. these would be 3.9 inches OAL to touch the lands. i will try loading at 3.69 for my first development rounds. i hope they will shoot with that jump. it shoots well with the 210 vld and .1 inch jump, the hybrid supposed to shoot well with more jump so we will see.
Make sure at 3.69, that you can load your magazine before you build too far/much. :twocents:
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 01, 2012, 05:26:05 PM
yep :tup: that is the longest that will fit and feed. same length i was loading the 210s. the 215 are .1 or so longer on the nose causing a bit more jump. may load a few tonight, then have to find time to hit the range.finished setting up my reloading set today, and made a dummy round for length using the 215s. these would be 3.9 inches OAL to touch the lands. i will try loading at 3.69 for my first development rounds. i hope they will shoot with that jump. it shoots well with the 210 vld and .1 inch jump, the hybrid supposed to shoot well with more jump so we will see.
Make sure at 3.69, that you can load your magazine before you build too far/much. :twocents:
I have a extra Wyatt's ultra mag extended box mag if you would like it. With a little fitting you can seat them out further. If they don't shoot for you seated deep.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 01, 2012, 07:08:07 PM
yep :tup: that is the longest that will fit and feed. same length i was loading the 210s. the 215 are .1 or so longer on the nose causing a bit more jump. may load a few tonight, then have to find time to hit the range.finished setting up my reloading set today, and made a dummy round for length using the 215s. these would be 3.9 inches OAL to touch the lands. i will try loading at 3.69 for my first development rounds. i hope they will shoot with that jump. it shoots well with the 210 vld and .1 inch jump, the hybrid supposed to shoot well with more jump so we will see.
Make sure at 3.69, that you can load your magazine before you build too far/much. :twocents:
I have a extra Wyatt's ultra mag extended box mag if you would like it. With a little fitting you can seat them out further. If they don't shoot for you seated deep.
Thanks Hammer!
pm sent!
i have wanted a wyatts but wasnt sure about installation, i dont have a mill. would most smiths be able to install it?
i loaded up some development loads starting lower and working up. maybe ill get to shoot this weekend or next.
Post by: MtnMuley on February 01, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 01, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
I think what needs to be made clear here though, is that The Hornday A-Max, is NOT designed for hunting. Not to say it can't be used.. but know that if you use it, and it does not do what you want, its because its a target round and not meant to used on Animals.
The Berger 210 VLD on the other hand IS made for hunting.. so..
Have you witnessed what a 208 A-Max does to Mule deer and Elk at extended ranges with a .300 Win Mag pushing it? I have, it's a very effective bullet. I wouldn't trust it point blank, especially with a Ultra Mag case behind it. In close it acts just like a SST at higher velocities, a very effective rockchuck/varmint bullet and thats it.
I agree they can kill just fine. Just like the berger 300, a lot of guys run them in the long range 338's. They are not made for hunting but I know more then a few guys that have killed animals with them.
Post by: rbros on February 02, 2012, 07:46:49 AM
I have the Wyatts extender in one of my custom RUMs, and it didn't gain me any OAL. :twocents:
Then you have the wrong mag box. The MBE-3 is .110" longer inside than a factory Remington box. Fitting them takes a little time in the mill. Just make sure whoever does it for you does it correctly. I have been fixing them ALOT lately that weren't installed correctly....mainly by a bigname shop here in Washington.
Post by: MtnMuley on February 02, 2012, 08:50:52 AM
I have the Wyatts extender in one of my custom RUMs, and it didn't gain me any OAL. :twocents:
Then you have the wrong mag box. The MBE-3 is .110" longer inside than a factory Remington box. Fitting them takes a little time in the mill. Just make sure whoever does it for you does it correctly. I have been fixing them ALOT lately that weren't installed correctly....mainly by a bigname shop here in Washington.
This one was installed by Christensen. Where are you located, as I'd be happy to have it looked at.
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 02, 2012, 07:22:02 PM
I have the Wyatts extender in one of my custom RUMs, and it didn't gain me any OAL. :twocents:
Then you have the wrong mag box. The MBE-3 is .110" longer inside than a factory Remington box. Fitting them takes a little time in the mill. Just make sure whoever does it for you does it correctly. I have been fixing them ALOT lately that weren't installed correctly....mainly by a bigname shop here in Washington.
What exactly would there be to fix on a Wyatt's extended box install? I have several installed by the " BIG NAME" Shop here in Washington. Curious to see what it could be?
Post by: rbros on February 03, 2012, 08:01:59 AM
I have the Wyatts extender in one of my custom RUMs, and it didn't gain me any OAL. :twocents:
Then you have the wrong mag box. The MBE-3 is .110" longer inside than a factory Remington box. Fitting them takes a little time in the mill. Just make sure whoever does it for you does it correctly. I have been fixing them ALOT lately that weren't installed correctly....mainly by a bigname shop here in Washington.
What exactly would there be to fix on a Wyatt's extended box install? I have several installed by the " BIG NAME" Shop here in Washington. Curious to see what it could be?
Most shops aren't cutting the relief for the caseheads back like it is supposed to be. If this is not done, the cases fit down in the box, but won't feed and are basically stuck there. I have seen a couple where the the action wasn't machined at all, but the box was ground to set into the factory cut, bolt stops that were not cut to allow the bolt to come back far enough and pickup the case. I can take a picture if needed. I will be doing a weekly batch of them this weekend.
Mtnmuley,
I am located in Elma, 20 min West of Olympia.
Post by: MDGrand on February 03, 2012, 07:57:01 PM
I think what needs to be made clear here though, is that The Hornday A-Max, is NOT designed for hunting. Not to say it can't be used.. but know that if you use it, and it does not do what you want, its because its a target round and not meant to used on Animals.
The Berger 210 VLD on the other hand IS made for hunting.. so..
Have you witnessed what a 208 A-Max does to Mule deer and Elk at extended ranges with a .300 Win Mag pushing it? I have, it's a very effective bullet. I wouldn't trust it point blank, especially with a Ultra Mag case behind it. In close it acts just like a SST at higher velocities, a very effective rockchuck/varmint bullet and thats it.
The Manufacturer.. Hornady.. still does not recommend them for hunting.. just stating a fact. People should be aware as you just mentioned in your example that only in certain calibers/velocities is it truely effective as a hunting bullet.
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 03, 2012, 09:19:00 PM
I think what needs to be made clear here though, is that The Hornday A-Max, is NOT designed for hunting. Not to say it can't be used.. but know that if you use it, and it does not do what you want, its because its a target round and not meant to used on Animals.
The Berger 210 VLD on the other hand IS made for hunting.. so..
Have you witnessed what a 208 A-Max does to Mule deer and Elk at extended ranges with a .300 Win Mag pushing it? I have, it's a very effective bullet. I wouldn't trust it point blank, especially with a Ultra Mag case behind it. In close it acts just like a SST at higher velocities, a very effective rockchuck/varmint bullet and thats it.
The Manufacturer.. Hornady.. still does not recommend them for hunting.. just stating a fact. People should be aware as you just mentioned in your example that only in certain calibers/velocities is it truely effective as a hunting bullet.
The average Joe would probably be traumatized at what I would take on with a .223 and a 60gr Nosler Partition. ;)
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 03, 2012, 09:47:54 PM
Post by: PA BEN on February 04, 2012, 10:45:57 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 04, 2012, 04:13:41 PM
From what I see berger hybrid bullets for hunting are not out yet but coming soon. :dunno:
that is true, but i saw what the 338 hybrids perform like on elk last fall and it is pretty impressive. i also saw a study on longrangehunting or snipershide where a person cut a 210 hunting vld and a 215 hybrid and measured jacked thickness and they were exactly teh same thickness. kind of like using the a-max or SMK for hunting... not advertised for that but works pretty dang well.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 17, 2012, 01:42:40 PM
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Post by: Biggerhammer on June 08, 2012, 02:49:57 PM