Post by: TheHunt on December 30, 2011, 08:46:35 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 30, 2011, 08:51:43 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 30, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 30, 2011, 08:54:37 PM
-Steve
Post by: Wa hunter on December 30, 2011, 09:01:45 PM
Post by: TheHunt on December 30, 2011, 09:16:09 PM
Post by: TheHunt on December 30, 2011, 09:21:04 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 31, 2011, 09:41:05 AM
i laugh my ass off every time i see people shelling out money to hire a guide, who goes back and forth fishing 100 yards from the boat launch the whole day.
Post by: TheHunt on December 31, 2011, 03:22:56 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 31, 2011, 03:34:54 PM
Post by: TheHunt on December 31, 2011, 03:41:06 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on December 31, 2011, 06:37:54 PM
Post by: TheHunt on December 31, 2011, 07:02:16 PM
it's the new trout hatchery outflow, that draws in people like crack :chuckle:
i laugh my ass off every time i see people shelling out money to hire a guide, who goes back and forth fishing 100 yards from the boat launch the whole day.
You are sooo right. I dropped my bobber with eggs about 8 feet from a boat that was way too close to the bankies on the crack pipe. He made some comment and I said your not close enough.
Post by: coyotewallace on December 31, 2011, 07:05:01 PM
Here is a letter I sent to WDFW back on 4-16-2011. As you will see it went on deaf ears
Dear Brenda Kane,
I am writing to you as a follow-up to recent events at the ADA fishing site at the Blue Creek Trout Hatchery in Lewis County and how disappointed I am with the decision that was made regarding the qualifying disabilities for those who are allowed to fish at that site. In my opinion, your decision will allow anyone that has a harvesters card and a blue placard to use this site, regardless of their mobility or state of disability. This decision is in conflict with your intended purpose of setting this site aside for those persons who are permanently confined to a wheelchair; as is written in the WDFW fishing regulations and as is posted at the site itself. It is an insult to those of us paraplegics and quadriplegics who use this site to allow a person who is "gaming" the system to fish at this site.
Just yesterday, while I was fishing at this site, I witnessed a person pushing their empty wheelchair from the parking lot to the fishing spot, then park the chair and sit in it to begin fishing. He was accompanied by his harvester who at first was doing all the fishing. When I informed the harvester that this site was for those who were permanently confine to a wheelchair, he immediately blasted back at me that his friend was 100% disabled in the military from Vietnam and the Game Warden said he could fish there. I responded that being considered 100% disabled was not part of what the regulation require to fish at this ADA site; that this particular site was for those who are permanently confined to a wheelchair. His attitude was very negative and his response was that he knew the rules and they were going to continue to fish there. Several calls to WDFW Officers Scott and James were made but they went to their voice-mails. There were four of us paraplegics and quadriplegics along with our harvesters who witnessed this event.
I have been fishing at the Blue creek site many times since early January of this year and enjoyed the access to the Cowlitz River for those of us that are faced with very limited mobility each and every day of our lives. I don't know of a single "para" or "quad" that wouldn't trade places with a person who could stand and walk. It is the only ADA site in the State that I know of that is restricted to persons that are confined to wheelchairs. I am concerned that the regulations are vague and the enforcement is spotty at best. I have seen fishing violations such as un-punched fish, snagged fish, fishing inside the "closed waters" zone by both bank fishers and boat fishers as well as unauthorized persons fishing at this site almost every trip. I have had conversation with WDFW Officers Scott about these violations; he gave me his phone number and told me to call him and report such violations; that I could be an extra set of eyes for him. I also contacted you, Brenda, when I saw an obvious violation of the "wheelchair rule". As you will remember, my question to you was just how you interpreted being "confined to a wheelchair". You said that if a person could stand or walk, he/she could not use this site. I agreed and passed that information on to others who use this site. Now you have reversed you stance to allow anyone who can convince a doctor to state that he limited as to his/her mobility and has a harvesters card to use the site. Can you see the tire tracks across my chest after being thrown under the bus? Now I am the "bad guy" to all the locals at Blue Creek for being the whistle-blower. I can tell you that those days are over for me. I have been through enough stress trying to deal with this whole situation. I can see that it does me no good to try to educate people who are pushing the rules and breaking the law. Especially when WDFW will not stand with me and enforce the regulations that are printed in the book.
Thank you.......... you won't be hearing from me again regarding this matter.
Wanted to add....Not one response from anyone at WDFW after having sent this letter to many of the folks there
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 31, 2011, 07:16:17 PM
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Post by: Button Nubbs on December 31, 2011, 08:35:12 PM
Post by: TheHunt on December 31, 2011, 09:00:56 PM
There was a person with a walking boot and one of those scooters. I will leave that one alone because that would make me judge and jury.
Post by: HntnFsh on December 31, 2011, 09:18:48 PM
I know of a few of the guys that are in good enough shape to climb down over the rocks and fish the deadline at barrier for hours on end.Every day.They just kill the fish there.But apparently their greed isnt satisfied.Now they are at the ADA wheelchair ramp at Blue creek.Wish like hell they would go back to the requirement that you have to be confined to a wheelchair to fish there.The whole deal pisses me off.
Post by: buckhorn2 on January 01, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 01, 2012, 12:17:06 AM
Post by: coyotewallace on January 01, 2012, 12:22:59 AM
I was gonna type you and ear full but...I'll shorten it up!
My post was not aimed at you or your buddy. Just the spot in general
Post by: buckhorn2 on January 01, 2012, 12:27:17 AM
Post by: coyotewallace on January 01, 2012, 12:31:57 AM
I asked a question and all someone had to say was that it was for people that were confined to a wheel chair and that would have answered my question. Did;nt need the part about trying to rip off the system I have never been there and don;t intend to go just asked a question don;t know about the crack pipe or want to see it and am happy people with real disabilities have a place to fish.And what did I say? "they opened that up now...it's not just wheelchair only anymore "
I never took what you said as you or your buddy were trying to rip off something.
And weather I ever fish there or not again...yes I would have like the state to keep it permanently confined to a wheelchair ONLY! It was the only place in the whole state setup that way. 1 place out of the whole state, that to much to ask? And if I had it locked up it would still be that way
Spying on you?.....hey I don't worry about being spyed on. Do the right thing. It's way less stressful
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 01, 2012, 02:07:28 PM
-Steve
Post by: TheHunt on January 01, 2012, 03:03:36 PM
Post by: ANDERWAGON on January 01, 2012, 03:28:41 PM
Well coyote wallace sounds like you have had good use of the spot and don;t want any competion so for sure don;t want you spying on me. Y ou piss me off all I asked was if a person with a hunting permit had to do to be intitled to a fishing permit. Did;nt want any of your opinions about what you thought shouild be done with your spot sorry your in a wheelchair my friend just got a clockum tag for a serious reason but it;s wrong for him to fish because he can stand. Sorry I asked I will tell him to forget it that you have it all locked up. He was;nt going there anyway he just wondered what the requirments for a disability fishing permit. Good fishing.
do you know how tough it is to get a guy in a chair close to the river? Or better yet in and out of a boat? One FN place in the whole NW…