Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2012, 01:01:12 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/2214.pdf:
This bill is open to a public hearing in front of the committee at 12 on Jan 10th, Tuesday, in the John L. O'Brien Building, House Hearing Room A. If the committee approves the bill, it will move to the legislature for a vote. The bill basically says that the WDFW has to publicly justify listing an animal as endangered and/or protected if the federal government has delisted it for protection under the Endangered Species Act.
Attend the hearing if you can and speak on behalf of the bill. In lieu of that, write to the committee members through their websites NOW, and voice your support for the bill.
There are two ways to contact the committee members. One is to email individually through their websites, or email them all at once.
The following legislators are the members of the House Committee on Agriculture and Natural Resources with links to their contact page. Go there and send them an email telling them you want this bill to go forward. If the person to whom you're writing isn't in your district, an error message will come up when you enter your address. Select the green option that says "...Send it anyway.":
Brian Blake - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/blake.aspx
Derek Stanford - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/stanford.aspx
Bruce Chandler - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/chandler.aspx
J.T. Wilcox - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/wilcox.aspx
Vincent Buys - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/buys.aspx
Hans Dunshee - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/dunshee.aspx
Bill Hinkle - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/hinkle.aspx
Joel Kretz - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/kretz.aspx
Kristine Lytton - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/lytton.aspx
Ed Orcutt - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/orcutt.aspx
Eric Pettigrew - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/pettigrew.aspx
Kevin Van De Wege - http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Representatives/Pages/vandewege.aspx
If you like, use this email and make sure you put the appropriate name in the address:
Dear Representative (Put Committee member name here),
I am in support of HB 2214, specifically the New Section 3, and feel that our WDFW needs to follow the guidelines set by our federal government when listing animals as endangered or protected in Washington State, or be able to publicly justify with scientific fact their reason(s) for listing and/or protecting an animal not protected under the Endangered Species Act.
If the WDFW is able to list animals, at will, as endangered or protected when these animals have been delisted or do not receive protection under the ESA, the WDFW then has the power to negatively affect individuals, communities, and entire industries by those unnecessary listings. Our citizens, businesses, and fragile economy are at risk from such arbitrary restriction.
Please move this bill to come before our legislature and to a vote of our representatives and senators.
Thank you for your consideration of my views and beliefs.
Most Sincerely.
(Your Name
Your Address
Your Phone #)
You could also use this distribution list to send it to the whole committee with one email:
bill.hinkle@leg.wa.gov; brian.blake@leg.wa.gov; bruce.chandler@leg.wa.gov; derek.stanford@leg.wa.gov; ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov; eric.pettigrew@leg.wa.gov; hans.dunshee@leg.wa.gov; jt.wilcox@leg.wa.gov; joel.kretz@leg.wa.gov; kevin.vandewege@leg.wa.gov; kristine.lytton@leg.wa.gov; vincent.buys@leg.wa.gov
Change the form of address to "Dear Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee Member".
Thanks Killbilly!
Post by: KillBilly on January 07, 2012, 02:06:46 PM
:tup: :tup:
By the way, for those of you that areent' aware of it, Pianoman9701 is The WFW Political/Legislative Committee Chairman. He does lots of hard work and research... We should all appreciate his diligence.
I think he should be annointed the "YAR Barrister"
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2012, 02:09:15 PM
Post by: KillBilly on January 07, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
I just got the day off to testify, as well. Now you'll finally have the benefit of seeing my beautiful face!
You actually do have a fair amount of YAR in ya.....
Post by: KillBilly on January 07, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
List:
bill.hinkle@leg.wa.gov; brian.blake@leg.wa.gov; bruce.chandler@leg.wa.gov; derek.stanford@leg.wa.gov; ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov; eric.pettigrew@leg.wa.gov; hans.dunshee@leg.wa.gov; jt.wilcox@leg.wa.gov; joel.kretz@leg.wa.gov; kevin.vandewege@leg.wa.gov; kristine.lytton@leg.wa.gov; vincent.buys@leg.wa.gov
Post by: JPhelps on January 07, 2012, 03:26:47 PM
There is no reason that all of the Hunting-washington members shouldn't spend 10 minutes sending these e-mails out. Just think there may not be hunting in Washington if we have to wait for 15 "confirmed" breeding pairs.
Post by: SniperDanWA on January 07, 2012, 03:32:36 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 07, 2012, 03:41:59 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on January 07, 2012, 03:56:47 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2012, 04:16:09 PM
Post by: KillBilly on January 07, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
DONE!
There is no reason that all of the Hunting-washington members shouldn't spend 10 minutes sending these e-mails out. Just think there may not be hunting in Washington if we have to wait for 15 "confirmed" breeding pairs.
You don't have any idea how strongly I agree with your statement. It kinda reminds me of Moses... out of the thousands there that day, he was the only one that said to himself, " I oughta be able to do this"
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2012, 04:21:08 PM
DONE!
There is no reason that all of the Hunting-washington members shouldn't spend 10 minutes sending these e-mails out. Just think there may not be hunting in Washington if we have to wait for 15 "confirmed" breeding pairs.
You don't have any idea how strongly I agree with your statement. It kinda reminds me of Moses... out of the thousands there that day, he was the only one that said to himself, " I oughta be able to do this"
So, I'm kinda like Moses is what you're saying, Al? I am like 300 years old, so that fits.
Post by: bearpaw on January 07, 2012, 04:21:37 PM
Dear Legislators,
Living in an already affected area, I am asking you to please pass HB 2214. My neighbor had 2 German Shepherds attacked in his kennel in the back yard by 5 wolves. Fortunately he was able to get his gun and fire it in the air to scare them off. His home is only 2 miles from my home and only 5 miles from Colville.
A ranching family here in Stevens County (Bill & Len McIrvin) are missing 27 head of cattle including 5 bulls and there is wolf scat throughout their area full of cattle hair.
On the Washington Hunting forum we have documented more than 100 wolf sightings in Washington and this next spring with reproduction that number will increase again. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79244.0.html
A lady hunter hunting near Lake Chelan was nearly attacked in Washington last fall. For story and photos see Reply #80: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79244.msg1034855.html#msg1034855
Best Regards, Dale
Post by: KillBilly on January 07, 2012, 04:35:04 PM
He also stated that there is another piece of legislation in work sponsored by Rep. Mark Hargrove that addresses ESA but possibly on a larger scale in that it addresses Grizzly Bear also. I have been unable to find the Bill so far. If anyone knows of it, please bring it to our attention. Something tells me that the subject has been posted on Hunt-Wa already, but can't find anything.
Post by: washelkhntr on January 07, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2012, 04:37:38 PM
I just got off of the phone with Mark Pigeon (HHC & WWC) He advised me that they are onboard and will attend on Tuesday. He also stated that Jack Fields (Cattlemens Association) and Chip Emmons (SCI Wa./Ore.) are on top of this issue also.
He also stated that there is another piece of legislation in work sponsored by Rep. Mark Hargrove that addresses ESA but possibly on a larger scale in that it addresses Grizzly Bear also. I have been unable to find the Bill so far. If anyone knows of it, please bring it to our attention. Something tells me that the subject has been posted on Hunt-Wa already, but can't find anything.
OMG, if this works for us we'll have to support the ESA! :yike: :yike: :yike:
Post by: Bigshooter on January 07, 2012, 04:39:02 PM
Post by: HuntNFish on January 07, 2012, 04:45:26 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2012, 05:09:02 PM
Post by: canyelk48 on January 07, 2012, 05:09:55 PM
Currently, wolves are not listed as an endangered species in Washington State under the federal endangered species act and in fact, have been delisted by congressional action.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 07, 2012, 05:11:05 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 07, 2012, 05:12:32 PM
DONE!! However, I added this sentence to the first paragraph:
Currently, wolves are not listed as an endangered species in Washington State under the federal endangered species act and in fact, have been delisted by congressional action.
They have only been delisted in the eastern third of the state. But, the USFWS has no plan for the introduction of them to the rest of the state.
Post by: canyelk48 on January 07, 2012, 06:07:00 PM
Anything that can "spell it out" to our politicians might help, lol.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 07, 2012, 06:16:16 PM
Post by: SnakeEyes on January 07, 2012, 06:40:28 PM
Post by: grundy53 on January 07, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Post by: jennyfell55 on January 07, 2012, 07:30:01 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 07, 2012, 09:11:07 PM
bill.hinkle@leg.wa.gov; brian.blake@leg.wa.gov; bruce.chandler@leg.wa.gov; derek.stanford@leg.wa.gov; ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov; eric.pettigrew@leg.wa.gov; hans.dunshee@leg.wa.gov; jt.wilcox@leg.wa.gov; joel.kretz@leg.wa.gov; kevin.vandewege@leg.wa.gov; kristine.lytton@leg.wa.gov; vincent.buys@leg.wa.gov
Post by: JPhelps on January 07, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
You should make it a requirement to send the e-mails before your hunt-wa account is re-activated. :tup: :yike:
Post by: bowman on January 07, 2012, 10:32:16 PM
Post by: JJB11B on January 07, 2012, 10:41:06 PM
Post by: JJB11B on January 07, 2012, 10:44:16 PM
Guys, thanks for the response. If you can think of others who need to see this thread, please send a PM. This legislation makes sense.Thank you for the PM man
Post by: KillBilly on January 07, 2012, 11:10:29 PM
I sent emails to all 12 members
I hope everybody sent to all 12 Committee Members.
Thanks
Post by: KillBilly on January 07, 2012, 11:12:07 PM
Post by: Jburke on January 07, 2012, 11:22:25 PM
Post by: Deep Forks on January 08, 2012, 02:22:29 AM
Post by: mulehunter on January 08, 2012, 06:23:37 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on January 08, 2012, 07:55:37 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 08, 2012, 09:14:25 AM
John W.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 08, 2012, 11:31:37 AM
Sent earlier this afternoon
Yesterday they were personal messages sent to my Reps. Kristiansen, Pearson and one to Senator Val Stevens (since she is on the senate committee that would hear the companion bills) And a message to Hans Dunshee who is the Closest committee member to me. I also sent them messages supporting the discover pass changes.
Today I sent the blanket message to ALL of the committee members.
......And sent out emails to all of the like minded people on may contact list with links to here and the pre-written letter and addresses on this forum
And Snowest,& BackCountry Rebels snowmobile forums
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 08, 2012, 11:34:50 AM
Post by: KillBilly on January 08, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
Sent earlier this afternoon
Yesterday they were personal messages sent to my Reps. Kristiansen, Pearson and one to Senator Val Stevens (since she is on the senate committee that would hear the companion bills) And a message to Hans Dunshee who is the Closest committee member to me. I also sent them messages supporting the discover pass changes.
Today I sent the blanket message to ALL of the committee members.
......And sent out emails to all of the like minded people on may contact list with links to here and the pre-written letter and addresses on this forum
:tup: :yeah:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 08, 2012, 04:13:36 PM
:tup:
Post by: jager on January 08, 2012, 05:53:24 PM
Post by: JBR on January 08, 2012, 09:56:15 PM
Post by: fishinmike on January 08, 2012, 10:07:52 PM
Post by: denali on January 08, 2012, 10:23:16 PM
Post by: JJB11B on January 08, 2012, 11:36:38 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 09, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
If all of us contact five other people, who in turn, contact 5... We can get a lot of emails going toward Olympia.
Post by: JPhelps on January 09, 2012, 07:54:37 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 09, 2012, 08:09:26 AM
Change the title to "Monster Bull In the Blues Poaced by ........." and I'm sure we will get more members to look.
See the thread. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,90346.msg1147293/topicseen.html#new
You're devious, Jason!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 09, 2012, 08:20:59 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 09, 2012, 08:26:06 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 09, 2012, 08:29:55 AM
Post by: longknife on January 09, 2012, 08:34:25 AM
Great work Pianoman, and everyone that has taken the time to respond!!!
Post by: Jack Diamond on January 09, 2012, 08:38:35 AM
Post by: Cascade_fisher on January 09, 2012, 08:43:33 AM
Post by: meathunter on January 09, 2012, 08:51:31 AM
Post by: KillBilly on January 09, 2012, 09:00:33 AM
Change the title to "Monster Bull In the Blues Poaced by ........." and I'm sure we will get more members to look.
That is too funny but sadly true :chuckle:
Post by: washingtonmuley on January 09, 2012, 09:08:33 AM
Post by: fishinmike on January 09, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
Post by: buckfvr on January 09, 2012, 09:21:46 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 09, 2012, 09:29:02 AM
Didnt know it required a response......did mine awhile ago......plus letters to regional politicos. :tup:
It didn't and I suspected many would support without saying anything. Thanks Buckfvr. :tup:
Post by: Broken Arrow on January 09, 2012, 09:29:10 AM
Post by: Machias on January 09, 2012, 09:46:20 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 09, 2012, 09:48:54 AM
Post by: KillBilly on January 09, 2012, 10:20:24 AM
Didnt know it required a response......did mine awhile ago......plus letters to regional politicos. :tup:
We didn't ask and it isn't required.... hmm is that like don't ask/don't tell
Many did so I thought it would be good to recognize those that cared and took the time
Post by: IBspoiled on January 09, 2012, 10:20:35 AM
Post by: Hawgdawg on January 09, 2012, 10:34:21 AM
Post by: frostman on January 09, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
My concern is that the public input will be coming from the pro-wolf crowd that have close proximity to the hearing and unlike US (the people who actually work and produce goods and services other than chaos) have to work for a living.
Post by: fishinmike on January 09, 2012, 10:42:11 AM
e-mail sent to all committe members. Thanks for your diligence fellas.There are a few of us headed down there tomorrow. Not sure how many, but we will be there as representatives for large recognized groups of sportsmen and women.
My concern is that the public input will be coming from the pro-wolf crowd that have close proximity to the hearing and unlike US (the people who actually work and produce goods and services other than chaos) have to work for a living.
Post by: krism83 on January 09, 2012, 10:48:15 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 09, 2012, 10:56:22 AM
John
Post by: Machias on January 09, 2012, 10:58:58 AM
Post by: bighoss on January 09, 2012, 10:59:55 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on January 09, 2012, 11:33:34 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 09, 2012, 01:40:20 PM
Washington is not going to make a very good "wolf farm" with our small geographic size and our high human population. And the Grey wolf is NOT endangered in North America or the United States. Alaska or Lower 48
And I got a reply this morning from my non committee member legislator...
Thank you for bringing this bill to Kirk's attention. It looks like something he would be interested in supporting.
I will get him a copy of your email, and a copy of the bill today.
Sincerely,
L.A. to Rep. Kirk Pearson
I also watched my brother send the blanket message to committee members
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 09, 2012, 01:57:07 PM
Post by: Elkslayer on January 09, 2012, 02:20:54 PM
Post by: tmike on January 09, 2012, 04:25:23 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 09, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
Post by: Rhinoron247 on January 09, 2012, 04:40:30 PM
Post by: BrushChimp on January 09, 2012, 04:45:37 PM
Post by: brianmtsinc on January 09, 2012, 05:30:04 PM
Big Thanks to the OP, Pianoman and others that are helping to move this issue forward. :tup:
Post by: grundy53 on January 09, 2012, 05:59:35 PM
Post by: huntergreg on January 09, 2012, 05:59:47 PM
Post by: jager on January 09, 2012, 06:20:51 PM
Post by: FC on January 09, 2012, 06:26:34 PM
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on January 09, 2012, 06:59:13 PM
Post by: JPhelps on January 09, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
Post by: KillBilly on January 09, 2012, 08:06:35 PM
:bumpin: Tomorrow is too late!
tomorrow is not too late. Tomorrow is for public input. The Committee may ponder on this for several days before making a decision to pas it on to the house for a vote. Once it is in the house then the real mail storm begins. Once it is in the house, we need to e-mail all 98 representatives with the same message... but each person is only responsible for the 2 reps for their District regardless of party. Of course you could e-mail all 98 but they usually only pay the most attention to their constituents... so get ready for round tomorrow. Actually you could begin now
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 09, 2012, 08:14:10 PM
Post by: KillBilly on January 09, 2012, 08:15:13 PM
I will be there, too. Let's all try to see each other face-to-face afterwards. Very cool that so many are participating.
John
I just saw this... :yike: face to face with John...I don't know about that.... YAR coming out again..... :chuckle:
Post by: Stlheader on January 09, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
Post by: silverdalesauer on January 09, 2012, 08:33:22 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on January 09, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
Post by: Prime Time on January 09, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
Post by: wt on January 09, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Post by: KillBilly on January 09, 2012, 10:21:19 PM
So how many do we have attending the meeting bbetween hunt wa and wfw
looks like 5 attending
Post by: KillBilly on January 09, 2012, 10:26:52 PM
1 Bandit
2 SniperDanWa
3 Firefighter4607
4 Bigshooter
5 Pianoman9701
6 Goomsba
7 Couesbitten
8 Stew pidasso
9 Killbilly
10 Deep Forks
11 400out
12 Jager
13 BULLBLASTER
14 Sebek556
15 PLUVIUSWAPITI
16 JPHelps
17 BOWHUNTER45
18 Bradyfc
19 Bearpaw
20 Waskelkhntr
21 HuntNFish
22 Canyelk48
23 Skyvalhunter
24 Elkaholic daWg
25 SnakeEyes
26 Grundy53
27 Jennyfell55
28 Bowman
29 JJB11B
30 JBurke
31 Mulehunter
32 Bullcanyon
33 Wenatcheejay
34 JBR
35 Fishinmike
36 Mrs. Fishinmike
37 denali
38 Woodchuck
39 Muleyblaster
40 Wacoyoyehunter
41 Longknife
42 Jack Diamond
43 Cascade_fisher
44 meathunter
45 ColockumElk
46 Matt345
47 Special T
48 Washingtonmuley
49 Buckfvr
50 Broken Arrow
51 Macjias
52 6x6in6
53 IBspoiled
54 Mrs. Ibspoiled
55 Hawgdawg
56 frostman
57 krism83
58 bighoss
59 brianmtsinc
60 CedarPants
61 Elkaholic daWg's brother
62 NWWABOWHNTR
63 Elkslayer
64 Bob33
65 Rhinoron247
66 Brushchimp
67 huntergreg
68 FC
69 wapiti hunter2
70 Stlheader
71 silverdalesauer
72 CementFinisher
73 Prime Time
74 wt
Assuming everybody sent 12 e-mails, those Committee members have received 74 e-mails each 888 total
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 10, 2012, 10:50:59 AM
Post by: christopheri on January 10, 2012, 11:05:19 AM
Post by: Caseyd on January 10, 2012, 11:16:14 AM
Post by: krism83 on January 10, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
Kristopher,
We just had a hearing on this bill in the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee (AGNR). I left with very mixed feelings on the bill. I feel for my colleagues in eastern Washington who are concerned that they will bear all of the weight of the recovery and that wolf recovery may be deemed achieved with all breeding pairs being located in Eastern Washington and none in Western Washington. That means passage of the bill will then require that wolves be reintroduced in Western Washington before recovery is deemed to be achieved. This guarantees that my constituents will bear the burden of wolf recovery and suffer all of the consequences. I am not sure I can support that…
Ed
Post by: Machias on January 10, 2012, 01:52:44 PM
Post by: Stlheader on January 10, 2012, 01:56:12 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 10, 2012, 01:56:43 PM
The current plan will lead to that. The bill would circumvent the need for "statewide recovery" and allow managment in Eastern WA before they were spread througout the state.
Post by: Machias on January 10, 2012, 01:58:13 PM
Post by: meathunter on January 10, 2012, 02:00:19 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 10, 2012, 02:00:26 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 10, 2012, 02:05:13 PM
Thanks for the Reply Mr. Orcutt-
I think that there was a miscommunication- the current Wolf Management Plan requires wolves to be spread across the three recovery zones before delisting. Eastern WA is currently home to five packs and that number will grow very quickly when the WDFW really gets serious about a population survey. The bill (2214) will allow wolves to be managed in Eastern WA despite their recovery status in Western WA and the South Cascades.
This is important because Eastern WA will be dealing with wolf conflicts in the near future and are likely to meet recovery goals and support far more wolves than we need (or desire) before Western WA or the South Cascades meets requirements for delisting and management.
This bill will allow regional management of wolves based on localized populations. This is the method used for all of the big game species in Washington- including bear, deer, elk, moose, sheep, goats, and cougars. It only makes sense to manage wolves in the same manner.
Thank you for your consideration, I hope you can support this bill.
Post by: Machias on January 10, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
Post by: wt on January 10, 2012, 02:07:46 PM
Post by: silverdalesauer on January 10, 2012, 02:13:17 PM
Just received the same email...
Ditto Here!
Post by: Caseyd on January 10, 2012, 02:18:06 PM
We just had a hearing on this bill in the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee (AGNR). I left with very mixed feelings on the bill. I feel for my colleagues in eastern Washington who are concerned that they will bear all of the weight of the recovery and that wolf recovery may be deemed achieved with all breeding pairs being located in Eastern Washington and none in Western Washington. That means passage of the bill will then require that wolves be reintroduced in Western Washington before recovery is deemed to be achieved. This guarantees that my constituents will bear the burden of wolf recovery and suffer all of the consequences. I am not sure I can support that…
Ed
Representative Ed Orcutt
18th Legislative District
Olympia Office:
408 John L. O’Brien Building
PO Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504
* ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov
( 360.786.7812
Post by: Antlershed on January 10, 2012, 02:19:28 PM
Post by: KillBilly on January 10, 2012, 02:22:39 PM
Total testimonies: 14
6 no pass
8 pass
On the receiving end of things, several of the committee members asked some very pointed (pro-pass) type of questions and did not get what I would recognize as mind changing questions. Many comments from the committee suggested that regionalized de-listing had been suggested all along and ignored. One of the Committee (rep) was definately concerned that his eastside district could have 14 BPs while another region(zone) had none...
I think it is leaning our way, I am sure the e-mails have been a very positive influence. I also saw that at least 4 of the no pass folks were touchy-feely whiners without any facts or data.... :twocents:
Post by: KillBilly on January 10, 2012, 02:29:56 PM
http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwliveplayer&eventID=2012011017 (http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwliveplayer&eventID=2012011017)
It will show later, find it in the archives
Post by: Bob33 on January 10, 2012, 02:32:19 PM
Post by: Caseyd on January 10, 2012, 02:36:17 PM
The meeting was scheduled for noon today. Any reports?
KillBilly had one on bottom of page 8
Post by: silverdalesauer on January 10, 2012, 02:36:26 PM
Mr. Orcutt,
The current Wolf Management Plan requires wolves to be spread across the 3 recovery zones before de-listing. Eastern WA is currently home to 5 packs and that number will grow very quickly when the WDFW really gets serious about a population survey. The bill (2214) will allow wolves to be managed in Eastern WA despite their recovery status in Western WA and the South Cascades.
This is important because Eastern WA will be dealing with wolf conflicts in the near future and are likely to meet recovery goals and support far more wolves than we need (or desire) before Western WA or the South Cascades meets requirements for delisting and management.
This bill will allow regional management of wolves based on localized populations. This is the method used for all of the big game species in Washington- including bear, deer, elk, moose, sheep, goats, and cougars. It only makes sense to manage wolves in the same manner, by which WA state already manages.
Please consider this as you make your decisions... the state of Washington game management and the people of Washington are depending on our representatives to do so.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 10, 2012, 02:38:01 PM
Post by: silverdalesauer on January 10, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
I just got home from the meeting. I feel like we have a better than average chance to win this. Of course the Wildlife Program got a half hour to review the plan for all attendees. The same person also gave a negative testimony. The next person was a Representative that gave Pro-pass testimony, dodn't get his name clearly but he was an eastsider. Then myself, fishinmike, Jack Fields(Cattlemans Association) and another person that Represented Hunters Heritage gave Pro-pass testimony. Mark Pigeon was there but had to leave because his wife was re-hospitableized. Next came 4 no-pass testimonys, followed by 4 more that were 2 pass and 2 no-pass. that was it.
Total testimonies: 14
6 no pass
8 pass
On the receiving end of things, several of the committee members asked some very pointed (pro-pass) type of questions and did not get what I would recognize as mind changing questions. Many comments from the committee suggested that regionalized de-listing had been suggested all along and ignored. One of the Committee (rep) was definately concerned that his eastside district could have 14 BPs while another region(zone) had none...
I think it is leaning our way, I am sure the e-mails have been a very positive influence. I also saw that at least 4 of the no pass folks were touchy-feely whiners without any facts or data.... :twocents:
Thanks, Killbilly, for the update and for going to the meeting. Those of us who can't leave our jobs appreciate you and the others that speak on behalf of Hunting Washington Forum members.
Post by: Gringo31 on January 10, 2012, 02:47:50 PM
Can someone explain what this means?
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That means passage of the bill will then require that wolves be reintroduced in Western Washington before recovery is deemed to be achieved.
Post by: Machias on January 10, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
Got the same one.....left me scratching my head.... :dunno:
Can someone explain what this means?QuoteThat means passage of the bill will then require that wolves be reintroduced in Western Washington before recovery is deemed to be achieved.
It means he sat through the hearing and has no clue what he just listened too.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 10, 2012, 03:08:18 PM
Got the same one.....left me scratching my head.... :dunno:
Can someone explain what this means?QuoteThat means passage of the bill will then require that wolves be reintroduced in Western Washington before recovery is deemed to be achieved.
It means he sat through the hearing and has no clue what he just listened too.
I think it may mean he doesn't know what's in the approved wolf plan, which would put wolves where he's talking about.
Post by: et1702 on January 10, 2012, 03:14:12 PM
"We just had a hearing on this bill in the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee (AGNR). I left with very mixed feelings on the bill. I feel for my colleagues in eastern Washington who are concerned that they will bear all of the weight of the recovery and that wolf recovery may be deemed achieved with all breeding pairs being located in Eastern Washington and none in Western Washington. That means passage of the bill will then require that wolves be reintroduced in Western Washington before recovery is deemed to be achieved. This guarantees that my constituents will bear the burden of wolf recovery and suffer all of the consequences. I am not sure I can support that…
Ed
Representative Ed Orcutt
18th Legislative District"
Looks like eastside vs westside politics!
My Response follows -
Hello Mr. Orcutt,
I didn't think that this was the intent of HB 2214. My understanding is that the intent of the bill is to stop WDFW from listing the wolves as protected or endangered in the state of WA, which would stop them from implementing their current wolf recovery plan (which is very short sighted, and will do a lot more financial damage to our state).
I too live in western WA and I do not want to see additional wolf recovery anywhere (east or west side). They are doing fine on their own. However, I also do not want to see WDFW implement their current plan, which will decimate our wildlife (deer & Elk) populations without any chance of limiting the wolf populations (or limiting the spread of the wolf populations).
How do you interpret that passage of this bill would require introduction of wolves in western WA? I understand that one of the deficiencies of the WDFW plan is the management of breeding pairs, and that it is likely that the numbers listed would occur in eastern WA before they spread to the west side. But, this is one of many short-sighted problems with the current plan, and additional justification to require the WDFW to cease and desist!
With the financial difficulties this state has currently, including the WDFW, any wolf recovery plan is a waste of time and monies. By stopping the current WDFW plan, any future effort to create a new "state" plan (by following the Federal requirements) would be quashed again for the very reasons that you appear to be hesitant now. The chance to stop them from going forward is now.
Therefore, my understanding and interpretation of the bill would be to stop WDFW from listing wolves as protected or endangered in the state of WA, which would be beneficial to all parties (east and west). Additionally, there are a lot of your constituents that live on the west side and have businesses and/or recreate on the east side (like myself). Therefore, this is not an eastside vs. westside issue. It is an issue that affects all WA residents!
Thanks for your consideration.
ET
Post by: Cascade_fisher on January 10, 2012, 03:18:14 PM
Post by: KillBilly on January 10, 2012, 03:42:21 PM
Based on his questions during the meeting, my response to him was fairly simple... I told him his concerns were very real and that he should help assure that the bill got moved to the floor and and approved.
Post by: Caseyd on January 10, 2012, 04:13:44 PM
Ed just got back to me:
I am getting clarification from WDFW on this. I will then determine my position following the meeting with WDFW.
Ed
Post by: silverdalesauer on January 10, 2012, 04:33:42 PM
I sent a similar reply that NWbowhunter did (well i changed his a little :chuckle: )
Ed just got back to me:
I am getting clarification from WDFW on this. I will then determine my position following the meeting with WDFW.
Ed
I got the same clarification email from him.
Post by: KillBilly on January 10, 2012, 05:12:37 PM
http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwsearch&acronym=AGNR&biennium=2011-12 (http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwsearch&acronym=AGNR&biennium=2011-12)
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 10, 2012, 08:17:18 PM
Keith,
We just had a hearing on this bill in the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee (AGNR). I left with very mixed feelings on the bill. I feel for my colleagues in eastern Washington who are concerned that they will bear all of the weight of the recovery and that wolf recovery may be deemed achieved with all breeding pairs being located in Eastern Washington and none in Western Washington. That means passage of the bill will then require that wolves be reintroduced in Western Washington before recovery is deemed to be achieved. This guarantees that my constituents will bear the burden of wolf recovery and suffer all of the consequences. I am not sure I can support that…
Ed
Representative Ed Orcutt
18th Legislative District
Olympia Office:
408 John L. O’Brien Building
PO Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504
* ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov
( 360.786.7812
Post by: tmike on January 10, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Thanks Ed,
Please educate yourself as much as possible. This is an important issue and from the sound of your reply you don't fully understand all of the issues involved with this bill. I know it's complicated, keep fighting for ALL of Washington's wildlife that will be adversly effected by the wolf reintroduction. Please take a look at Idaho and Montana and don't think the same won't happen here. Sincerely Tom
From Ed
I am trying to educate myself on this. We had confusing testimony today – which is why I am researching further. And I did ask the question about how much other wildlife -- deer, elk, rabbits, consulting foresters -- will be killed by wolves…
Post by: Machias on January 10, 2012, 10:20:44 PM
Post by: JJB11B on January 10, 2012, 11:14:19 PM
Jonathan,
We just had a hearing on this bill in the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee (AGNR). I left with very mixed feelings on the bill. I feel for my colleagues in eastern Washington who are concerned that they will bear all of the weight of the recovery and that wolf recovery may be deemed achieved with all breeding pairs being located in Eastern Washington and none in Western Washington. That means passage of the bill will then require that wolves be reintroduced in Western Washington before recovery is deemed to be achieved. This guarantees that my constituents will bear the burden of wolf recovery and suffer all of the consequences. I am not sure I can support that…
Ed
Representative Ed Orcutt
18th Legislative District
Post by: NWBREW on January 11, 2012, 02:05:29 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 11, 2012, 07:23:25 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 11, 2012, 07:29:21 AM
For the purpose of clarification, I think it'll be important to address the Orca comments. It went unmentioned at the hearing yesterday that the Marine Mammal Protection Act would cover Orcas, as well as the ESA on a regional basis. There's no way that a marine apex predator would be included for hunting on a state level without the approval of the USFWS, related to extreme, isolated incidents. The only time we've seen exceptions to this is with the burgeoning population of sea lions threatening our salmon runs. Orca populations are far from burgeoning and would not lose federal protection in the foreseeable future. This argument is definitely smoke and mirrors.
Nice job, AL. I'm sorry that I couldn't be there with you.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 11, 2012, 08:21:17 AM
I sent a similar reply that NWbowhunter did (well i changed his a little :chuckle: )
Ed just got back to me:
I am getting clarification from WDFW on this. I will then determine my position following the meeting with WDFW.
Ed
So did I.....I added this for one
Did you Idaho, Montana, and Wyomings "'plan" was to delist after 10 breeding pair? It WAS but the wolf advocates and their chosen judges Kept moving the golalposts and upping the required BP numbers through litigation using OUR tax dollars,Creating the devastation of the ungulate herds of their states. They WILL attempt that again here if this bill is not passed.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 11, 2012, 08:28:33 AM
James,
We received some conflicting testimony on the bill and wolf plan which I am trying to research to get clarification on the issue. Please know that I wish we could prevent wolves from coming into this state, but we have not been successful in doing so. I will work to make sure we put into the place the very best protection we can to minimize (I wish zero) the number of wolves in our state.
Ed
Post by: KillBilly on January 11, 2012, 09:48:08 AM