Post by: KillBilly on January 11, 2012, 11:17:15 AM
4 in EasternWashington
4 in North Cascades
4 in Southern Cascades/ Northwest Coast
3 anywhere in state
For 3 consecutive years (and the key word is successful Breeding Pairs (at least 2 pups that survive until the end of the yearfor 3 consecutive years))
or:
If 18 breeding pairs with required distribution are confirmed in any one year, the Department could consider delisting. The required distribution is: 4 in EasternWashington
4 in North Cascades
4 in Southern Cascades/ Northwest Coast
AND
6 anywhere in state ( these 6 BPs could all be in one region or 1 BP per region. but the basic distribution is still required
There is yet another caveat... WDFW doesn't really know what, when or how long the delisting process is? they know that there may be lawsuits so the time it takes to actually delist is an unknown..
15 bps with required distribution...at the end of 3 years they can begin the delisting process. If the delisting process and drawn out, then it is 3 years plus and unknown
option
18 Bps with required distribution identified... if it is in the first year of the required 3...then they can begin the delisting process. This is only a head start gambit. The delisting will run concurrently with whats left of the three years. You still have to complete the three years but you have a head start on mitigating issues that may drag it out. Nobody really knows how many roadblocks will pop up in delisting but either way, it will take 3 years plus some unknown time
Post by: Special T on January 11, 2012, 11:41:21 AM
1let only dept officals document them.
2only focus attention where everyone complains.
3 say a pack lost its pups starting the clock over again.
4 not count any from border areas.
5 keep the whole state locked together instead of delisting the E part of the state.
These are just some of the low hanging fruit! it is designed to make us keep us busy, so we don' work to throw out the plan! :bash:
Post by: KillBilly on January 11, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
This is smoke and mirrors...there are somany ways to drag out delisitingin this plan! IF the state made it a hyuge priorety then it might be an ok plan. Here is just a few of the ways that theyy could draw this out.
1let only dept officals document them.
2only focus attention where everyone complains.
3 say a pack lost its pups starting the clock over again.
4 not count any from border areas.
5 keep the whole state locked together instead of delisting the E part of the state.
These are just some of the low hanging fruit! it is designed to make us keep us busy, so we don' work to throw out the plan! :bash:
Exactly what we have been trying to tell everybody... :tup: