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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: Maverick on January 12, 2012, 06:35:50 PM

Title: buying a muzzle loader.
Post by: Maverick on January 12, 2012, 06:35:50 PM: Gettin the Gf a muzzle loader. What should I get her? For rifle she shoots a 30.06. So she can handle a good kick. She'll be mule deer hunting with it.
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Post by: elkhorn on January 12, 2012, 08:38:57 PM: CVA Elkhorn Pro is an awesome gun. Nice and light too.
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Post by: Tegantunadog on January 15, 2012, 04:30:07 PM: Get her a knight bighorn, I got my wife one, they are superior to any others. Knight disc extreme would be great too but more $$$
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Post by: Maverick on January 15, 2012, 06:59:46 PM: How much do those guns run boys? Just tryin to get an idea.
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Post by: Swiftkid on January 15, 2012, 07:05:03 PM: Got my girlfriend a traditions vortek northwest mag edition. It's light buy I've had lots of problems with it and the customer service at traditions is horrible.
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Post by: Lcl 66 Tinner on January 15, 2012, 07:11:32 PM: Get a traditional style Muzzleloader, less headache all the way around. Your not gaining anything by buying a inline, same range, power just a little longer and weighs a little more.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 15, 2012, 07:13:07 PM: Elkhorn is the way to go :tup: Been very good to me :tup:
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Post by: summit creek on January 15, 2012, 09:08:09 PM: knight big horn 50 cal awesome gun i guess 5 to 6 hundred by now
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Post by: HntnFsh on January 16, 2012, 07:52:37 AM: Closer to $329.
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Post by: bear hunter on January 16, 2012, 02:54:48 PM: Quote from: Maverick on January 15, 2012, 06:59:46 PM
How much do those guns run boys? Just tryin to get an idea.
$436 for the bighorn with the thumb hole camo stock and for the disc its around 540 ish. very good muzzles I have two plus the Knight t2000 12g my friends gf used to shoot her first deer this year with at 40 yards. I loaded up the 12g with 15- 00 buck pellets and 100 grains of powder. worked great. Go to there web site at http://www.knightrifles.com/tk2000/ . Don't forget to tell them that you want the rifle WESTERN STATE LEGEL
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 16, 2012, 03:00:15 PM: The elkhorn runs about 280-320 depending if you want camo or black :tup:
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Post by: teanawayslayer on January 16, 2012, 06:10:53 PM: The knight disc extreme with the western kit is by far a superior muzzle loader compaired to anything on the market. The big horn is less money but also a great gun. Also made in america!!! Unlike the cva or traditions. If you buy a knight you should never have to upgrade in the future. I've had them all. When you pick up a knight you just know it's a solid gun. :twocents:
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Post by: dscubame on January 17, 2012, 02:51:38 PM: Look into the Traditions "northwest edition". http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/product_info.php?products_id=60
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Post by: superdown on January 17, 2012, 05:01:08 PM: another vote for the bighorn it's a accurate solid gun. I paid $399 at wholesale sports in august. :tup: http://www.knightrifles.com/bighorn-carbonknight-ss/ (http://www.knightrifles.com/bighorn-carbonknight-ss/)
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Post by: bare.hunter on January 17, 2012, 05:11:14 PM: i bought a cva elkhorn and now just want a upgraded gun so Iam going with the knight
it is just a better gun.the elkhorn was a good starter gun but if you want quality go with the
knight.My buddys knight bighorn with 120 grains powder and 290 tmz bullet will shoot 6 inch
groups at 300 yards.just my two cents.
Title: Re: buying a muzzle loader.
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 18, 2012, 06:46:05 AM: Quote from: bare.hunter on January 17, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
i bought a cva elkhorn and now just want a upgraded gun so Iam going with the knight
it is just a better gun.the elkhorn was a good starter gun but if you want quality go with the
knight.My buddys knight bighorn with 120 grains powder and 290 tmz bullet will shoot 6 inch
groups at 300 yards.just my two cents.
With a scope? If he did it with open sights I would love to see the target. Thats a hell of a shot with a muzzy
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Post by: Dirty Mike on January 18, 2012, 06:52:43 AM: :yeah:
Quote from: teanawayslayer on January 16, 2012, 06:10:53 PM
The knight disc extreme with the western kit is by far a superior muzzle loader compaired to anything on the market. The big horn is less money but also a great gun. Also made in america!!! Unlike the cva or traditions. If you buy a knight you should never have to upgrade in the future. I've had them all. When you pick up a knight you just know it's a solid gun. :twocents:
couldnt have said it better
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Post by: rasbo on January 18, 2012, 06:55:11 AM: T/C blackdiamond,there was one for sale on site I believe
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Post by: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 06:59:16 AM: That T/C BlackDiamond was mine....It's gone! Replaced it with the Knight "Disc Extreme" with the western kit
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Post by: rasbo on January 18, 2012, 07:00:00 AM: Quote from: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 06:59:16 AM
That T/C BlackDiamond was mine....It's gone! Replaced it with the Knight "Disc Extreme" with the western kit
:tup:
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Post by: teanawayslayer on January 18, 2012, 09:56:08 AM: Quote from: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 06:59:16 AM
That T/C BlackDiamond was mine....It's gone! Replaced it with the Knight "Disc Extreme" with the western kit
good choice you will love it!!
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Post by: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 10:03:56 AM: Hope so...it's not starting out so good..Mine is on a UPS trailer thats still upright and on the rails in a CSX car with 2 UPS 20 footers.It should have been here tomorrow but take a look at this LUCK :bash: :(

http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=54541

be sure to click on the video....what do you do but laugh and think..what the hell
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Post by: bobcat on January 18, 2012, 10:08:40 AM: Quote from: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
Hope so...it's not starting out so good..Mine is on a UPS trailer thats still upright and on the rails in a CSX car with 2 UPS 20 footers.It should have been here tomorrow but take a look at this LUCK :bash: :(

http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=54541

Wow, that's my kind of luck!
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Post by: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 10:10:14 AM: It's so sick...I just laugh :chuckle: What Luck
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Post by: bobcat on January 18, 2012, 10:11:22 AM: How did you find out that your gun was in that wreck?
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Post by: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 10:15:27 AM: tracking #....
Exception
Wolf Point, MT, United States 01/17/2012 11:00 P.M. Train derailment.
Hodgkins, IL, United States 01/16/2012 9:45 A.M. Departure Scan
Hodgkins, IL, United States 01/13/2012 3:32 P.M. Arrival Scan
Nashville, TN, United States 01/13/2012 4:42 A.M. Departure Scan
Nashville, TN, United States 01/12/2012 10:47 P.M. Arrival Scan
Athens, TN, United States 01/12/2012 8:15 P.M. Departure Scan
01/12/2012 7:57 P.M. Origin Scan
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Post by: bobcat on January 18, 2012, 10:21:21 AM: Quote from: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 10:15:27 AM
tracking #....
Exception
Wolf Point, MT, United States 01/17/2012 11:00 P.M. Train derailment.
Hodgkins, IL, United States 01/16/2012 9:45 A.M. Departure Scan
Hodgkins, IL, United States 01/13/2012 3:32 P.M. Arrival Scan
Nashville, TN, United States 01/13/2012 4:42 A.M. Departure Scan
Nashville, TN, United States 01/12/2012 10:47 P.M. Arrival Scan
Athens, TN, United States 01/12/2012 8:15 P.M. Departure Scan
01/12/2012 7:57 P.M. Origin Scan

:chuckle: That's hilarious. Definitely something I've never seen when checking a tracking number! But, sorry about your gun!
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Post by: coyotewallace on January 18, 2012, 10:28:39 AM: It is crazy ....talk about a N FN W! I couldnt believe it, still cant believe it! Been waiting a week...tomorrow was the day...yee ha! I get up and check the tracking and :yike:
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Post by: bare.hunter on January 20, 2012, 04:39:58 PM: Quote from: teanawayslayer on January 18, 2012, 06:46:05 AM
Quote from: bare.hunter on January 17, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
i bought a cva elkhorn and now just want a upgraded gun so Iam going with the knight
it is just a better gun.the elkhorn was a good starter gun but if you want quality go with the
knight.My buddys knight bighorn with 120 grains powder and 290 tmz bullet will shoot 6 inch
groups at 300 yards.just my two cents.
With a scope? If he did it with open sights I would love to see the target. Thats a hell of a shot with a muzzy
yes it was with a scope
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Post by: coyotewallace on January 24, 2012, 06:52:58 PM: Shes here
couple pics...ready for first range trip this week
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FKnight002.jpg&hash=13f7f42caecd3173af9a8d1c10232b4089343ca1)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FKnight012.jpg&hash=633dcdc7424df6d240fb3258aef1d349df723e7d)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FKnight013.jpg&hash=1dea6c96662ba54f7485d8cb871f0e49e3943634)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FKnight014.jpg&hash=2587e7d8de7dc36c21df3492c0bd7a7c452f8c3f)

Peep for hunting Wa.(diffrent bolt for Wa. this is the 209 bolt. Western bolt will be here Monday for #11's or musket)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FKnight008.jpg&hash=e09a12225cda66f8368a4b7e7c5fe4d56952cac2)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj253%2FCoyotewallace%2FKnight007.jpg&hash=d76f3b71cdf3e3ff46eb8a4ccbbcf057a58777ff)
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Post by: Whitelightning on January 24, 2012, 07:12:00 PM: Nice looking rifle!
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Post by: coyotewallace on January 24, 2012, 07:36:58 PM: Thanks..I like it
Knight "DISC Extreme - CarbonKnight, Thumbhole" in 52 cal
these are in 52 cal sabots

On the left Barnes .475 cal 375ger on the right Barnes .458 cal 300ger with 209 in front
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Post by: BOOM!! on January 24, 2012, 07:53:35 PM: Congrats, that is a beautiful gun I love that carbon knight TH stock. On my 50 cal extreme I use the original 209 bolt with the western breach plug to shoot #11's. I think you will see what I mean when you get your kit, either bolt should work if the 52 cal is the same as the .50
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Post by: summit creek on February 09, 2012, 07:15:29 PM: knight would be my 1st choice thompson center2nd after that all junk
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Post by: coyotewallace on February 10, 2012, 12:08:28 AM: Quote from: BOOM!! on January 24, 2012, 07:53:35 PM
Congrats, that is a beautiful gun I love that carbon knight TH stock. On my 50 cal extreme I use the original 209 bolt with the western breach plug to shoot #11's. I think you will see what I mean when you get your kit, either bolt should work if the 52 cal is the same as the .50

Yep both will..I see what you mean.Guess my question at this point is how big the "window" that exposes the cap has to be in Wa.. Is there a Min. on the opening that you have to have? The reason I ask is the "window" that exposes the cap is smaller with the 209 bolt then the "window" you get with the bolt that the Western kit offers.
Any Idea?
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Post by: Sabotloader on February 10, 2012, 07:02:15 AM: Quote from: coyotewallace on February 10, 2012, 12:08:28 AM
Quote from: BOOM!! on January 24, 2012, 07:53:35 PM
Congrats, that is a beautiful gun I love that carbon knight TH stock. On my 50 cal extreme I use the original 209 bolt with the western breach plug to shoot #11's. I think you will see what I mean when you get your kit, either bolt should work if the 52 cal is the same as the .50

Yep both will..I see what you mean.Guess my question at this point is how big the "window" that exposes the cap has to be in Wa.. Is there a Min. on the opening that you have to have? The reason I ask is the "window" that exposes the cap is smaller with the 209 bolt then the "window" you get with the bolt that the Western kit offers.
Any Idea?

There is no minimum mentioned in the rules it says 'visible and exposed when in the cocked and ready to fire position.'

This is a picture of the DISC Extreme I sent the State of Washington to get the new design approved.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2FP1010014.jpg&hash=4776b8034d4c3eaa1b2b57c1781d38a190430028)
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Post by: coyotewallace on February 11, 2012, 02:18:53 PM: Mike,
So with that being said you really don't need the western bolt only the 209 bolt set to use the red jackets(not using them though) and then the BP and the nipple to run #11 or musket...right??
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Post by: BOOM!! on February 11, 2012, 03:43:03 PM: what you gain with the western bolt is a little more room in the breech area which does come in handy especially if you are going to use musket. It is basically the same bolt only opened up a little bit. If I were to buy a new one I would order it with the western bolt but If I bought one that had the 209 bolt I would just order the proper breech plug.
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Post by: Sabotloader on February 11, 2012, 07:52:41 PM: Quote from: coyotewallace on February 11, 2012, 02:18:53 PM
Mike,
So with that being said you really don't need the western bolt only the 209 bolt set to use the red jackets(not using them though) and then the BP and the nipple to run #11 or musket...right??

Not quite right... you can use the regular bolt if you are loading #11 caps with a capper - Musket caps and capper are to large to get in the bolt area.

The FPJ breech plug will not work to mount #11's or Musket caps - you have to have the Western Kit - Breech plug and either a #11 nipple or a Musket nipple installed in the Western Breech plug.

Does that make sense?

Here is a picture...

Here is a picture of the different bolts... Regular bolt on top - New Western Bolt in the middle and old Western Bolt on the bottom

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2F3Knightbolts.jpg&hash=59a3e2b07f09aebd6d31f1efde018930b9feed4e)

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Post by: coyotewallace on February 12, 2012, 12:26:51 PM: I C :tup:
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Post by: bugs n bones on February 12, 2012, 01:50:38 PM: i like my model 700....
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Post by: Ned on February 17, 2012, 08:51:58 PM: Quote from: hatchetjack on February 12, 2012, 01:50:38 PM
i like my model 700....

I have a stainless Model 700 50 cal in the safe if you know of anyone looking to buy one.
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Post by: Fishmasterdan on May 06, 2012, 07:04:42 AM: Any body know ned? looks like the last time he was on here was over a month ago. I would like pick up his rem. 700.
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Post by: Ned on May 06, 2012, 09:08:36 PM: Quote from: Fishmasterdan on May 06, 2012, 07:04:42 AM
Any body know ned? looks like the last time he was on here was over a month ago. I would like pick up his rem. 700.

I know him ;)
I sent you a pm.
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Post by: Deep Forks on May 11, 2012, 02:54:01 AM: Another vote for Knight. Can't remember when I bought my first, but it was a long time ago and I still have it. :tup: :tup:
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Post by: Bearhunter on May 11, 2012, 08:29:59 PM: Thanks Sabotloader for all the great info, I got my Carbon Thumb Hole Disc. Extreme today with the Western Kit!!! Cant wait to get it dialed and do some elk hunting in October.
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Post by: Sabotloader on May 12, 2012, 07:25:20 AM: Quote from: Bearhunter on May 11, 2012, 08:29:59 PM
Thanks Sabotloader for all the great info, I got my Carbon Thumb Hole Disc. Extreme today with the Western Kit!!! Cant wait to get it dialed and do some elk hunting in October.

I believe you will really like that new gun. Hope you get a chance to get out and pull the trigger on her...