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Big Game Hunting => Other Big Game => Topic started by: boneaddict on January 21, 2012, 02:46:18 PM
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Looks like they are taking another batch of Clemans sheep for the tribe. I wonder if these are headed to Colville or where they are headed.
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Throw a bucket of grain in there and they are headed .....
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:dunno:you'll are getting antelope too that's why they were released where they were so.they would wonder off the rez but I think they were dropped off across the river lol just my thoughts on why they are down by tricities an firing center
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You have any info because I hadn't heard anything from down here about relocation? And are you sure its the Tribes? I was out there today and didn't see anything or anybody moving them.
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I heard there are some sick ones in the herd and I heard they were trying to eliminate them out of the herd. Also those elk were smart who stayed on that side because they fed the sheep and the elk were eating their food. Most orchard farmers are hunters so they are ok with deer in the orchards as the deer are having a tough go. there was 20+ deer I saw on old naches and more that were coming down on clemans.
P.S. has anybady seen the herd in the oak creek area this year? I think they put salt somewhere to stop them from coming down on the highway :dunno:.
Huh? How would salt stop them? Salt does not fill the belly!
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They come down to the roads to eat salt that is used as de-icer. It does not fill the belly but is a essential nutrient.
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There was a Coville tribal member here saying they were going to move another batch this year,(Its the colville Tribe Plat, not sure of all the politics involved regarding antelope etc.) and sure enough the trap is there. If they had sick ones Naches, then they would have shot them. They would not risk the time it would take to sort out that many and the exposure to healthy ones.
The elk are fileing in. One branch antlered bull yesterday to about 15 this morning. They are scattered the whole length of the Valley.
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They are probably putting them on hellsgate, and will most likely diversify the Lincoln cliffs herd's genetics! :tup:
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I assume that as well.
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Not sure about them mixing with Lincoln. I've yet to see a sheep in the river. :dunno:
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Bear deer and elk are seen every year so I would only assume sheep would to, I've been told they do. Have not seen for myself though...
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I hope they do move them to the Colville Reservation. Reintroducing sheep to other parts of the state is not a bad thing. The Colville Tribe has excellent game management and the sheep should do well there if thats where thy're headed.
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That ram in the middle with the collar looks like a stud :drool:
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How does this trap/relocate thing work?
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When I was In high school my senior year for community service I got to help them trap and tag the sheep. It was pretty cool! They relocated I think around 20 some ewes and one or two young rams. We loaded them into a trailer and the tribe hauled them off. I'll try to get some pics rounded up in the next few days.
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Throw a bucket of grain in there and they are headed .....
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Nice shot Bone :tup:
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Colvilles are movin sheep tomorrow.
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i just hope they leave the aged rams there and take a few younger rams . that herd gets a ton of hunting preasure and i would hate to see a few of the 61/2 and 71/2 year old rams removed .
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they just start feeding them in the trailer and when they are ready they just shut the door. what ever gets caught goes. i dont think they pick and choose
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So this is a good thing from what I read?
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they just start feeding them in the trailer and when they are ready they just shut the door. what ever gets caught goes. i dont think they pick and choose
Where did you hear that? They actually feed them in the trap and shut the gate on them then black blankets drop around the edges so they dont freak out and try to get through the panels. This causes them to all run to the back and into the alley way then someone runs in and shuts It. There is a guy In a little room when they Chase the sheep Into it he drops down hog ties and blindfolds them then they get pulled out of the side for shots/tagging and selected If they are going to transplant them. When I was there they took ewes and young rams.
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I am still not sure why the tribes should get any free sheep. :dunno: As if the 60 tags they got this year wasn't enough. WDFW Sucks.
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I am still not sure why the tribes should get any free sheep. :dunno: As if the 60 tags they got this year wasn't enough. WDFW Sucks.
Do some research. The Colvilles did not get anywhere close to 60 tags. Maybe in the last 30 years they may have got that many tags total. Moving the sheep around to start another herd is a great idea.
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The whole reason the tribe (Yakama) got involved with the antelope in the first place was becasue of this...
"But the next step was an environmental impact statement and that's expensive -- probably $50,000-$100,000 -- and there was no guarantee that we could move forward once it was completed."
beacuse the tribe is an independent nation, and free from all of the regualtion, the SCI was able to move at getting the antelope here.
How this ties in with Colville, Nevada, etc. I don't know at this point. :dunno:
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I've seen multiple herds fail here in MT over the years and I think moving a few now and again does help that a bit, but I am not a sheep biologist, only going by what bits and pieces I've picked up through the years. When the densities get high...bad things happen.
Not sure why tribes would be getting them and F&G not just putting them in a new public ground spot..but there are always lots of politics involved.
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They are going to the Colville reservation to augment their existing population up there. They have been acquiring sheep for a few years now down here. There are more young rams than needed, so yes, they are typically only taking younger animals. Not sure if they're taking ewes too, but i think they're trying to balance out the ratio a little better. I believe they're using a baited corral trap to catch them then they will be loaded into horse trailers and trekked on up to the reservation and released.
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Just want to keep an eye on this, especially if they are heading to the Colville res. We have seen a herd along the river (reservation side) between Lincoln and Sterling Point several times. They have all been real young so far that we have seen.
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Official story is in todays Yakima Herald front page. Colville Tribe and WDFW worked together relocating 20 rams to Colville areas. Not able to post the link right now but its on the website.
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Here's the story in the Wenatchee World, with some good photos of the sheep:
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/jan/27/colville-tribes-hope-to-boost-small-bighorn-herd/
"The relocation efforts are intended to boost already established herds, establish new ones and help strengthen smaller herds by increasing genetic diversity. And because the herds are so isolated from each other, disease in one herd may not impact another.
On the Colville Indian Reservation, biologists have relocated 113 bighorn sheep over the last three years to Hell’s Gate game reserve — a 70,000-acre area on the Colville Indian Reservation near Keller that is set aside for big game."
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here are my pics from 08 when i was there for community service.
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cool pics :tup:
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yeah really nice pictures....thanks for passing them along
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No problem, sorry it took a week to get them up.
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Very cool pics. Thanks for posting. It was a bummer I couldn't get over for the capture at Clemens as it is a neat experience.
Buglebuster, do you know if they took the ram they collard? I'd be surprised if they took the older ram as I've haven't seen a ram over 4 transplanted before. They might have just needed some gps data on the Clemens sheep.
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Great documentation photos buglebuster even if they are from 08, its neat to see the process.
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Very cool pics. Thanks for posting. It was a bummer I couldn't get over for the capture at Clemens as it is a neat experience.
Buglebuster, do you know if they took the ram they collard? I'd be surprised if they took the older ram as I've haven't seen a ram over 4 transplanted before. They might have just needed some gps data on the Clemens sheep.
No they released him back onto clemans. They tried to not capture any older rams in the trap, but you can't keep them all out so they took some Info, tagged, collared and released.
They only took a couple rams as I recall and they were very young.
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Its funny how everyone likes this. They get there money from the gov and then be in kahoots with them because the gov needs enough money for certain THINGS :dunno: and then takes our sheep away that WE non-natives paid for and take them to a place that we are no longer welcome without a pass---WTF!
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Its funny how everyone likes this. They get there money from the gov and then be in kahoots with them because the gov needs enough money for certain THINGS :dunno: and then takes our sheep away that WE non-natives paid for and take them to a place that we are no longer welcome without a pass---WTF!
Your exactly right on,but that's politics for you :bash:
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That ram in the middle with the collar looks like a stud :drool:
If I am looking right, the one in front of the one with the grayish collar looks like a stud too!
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Its funny how everyone likes this. They get there money from the gov and then be in kahoots with them because the gov needs enough money for certain THINGS :dunno: and then takes our sheep away that WE non-natives paid for and take them to a place that we are no longer welcome without a pass---WTF!
They doe this because they get sick when the population gets to high. I know a guy that slaughtered them because they was getting sick. So I see it as a good thing, plus only young sheep was taken.
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Its funny how everyone likes this. They get there money from the gov and then be in kahoots with them because the gov needs enough money for certain THINGS :dunno: and then takes our sheep away that WE non-natives paid for and take them to a place that we are no longer welcome without a pass---WTF!
They doe this because they get sick when the population gets to high. I know a guy that slaughtered them because they was getting sick. So I see it as a good thing, plus only young sheep was taken.
This is correct! I think its "funny" how you have a problem with doing something that is better for the state, the wild sheep and the tribe. Better for everybody! If the population gets too high the sheep die. Why not move some around to other areas? Sheep were originally on the Colville Reservation so whats wrong with helping the herd there grow back strong. As a member of the Washington Wild Sheep Foundation I approve this and I think this is a great idea!
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If the populations do in fact somehow get too high. . . Issue more tags!
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Unfortunately that isn't always the best management tool, as hunters target a particular class of critters. One can say...more ewe tags then. I think it might be thought of as a better investment if we divirsified or spread out the base populations of the critters. Get them re-established and healthy in multiple locations.....never know, a group may get whiped out from disease and we may be bringing animals from the Colville to re-seed say "The Umptanum".
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I think it would be more appropriate to manage the animals as one resource, meaning everyone goes into one pool to draw a tag. I wish all of the OIL critters were managed that way, instead of giving the Yakamas so many tags and then the rest of us so many. I know goats over on Baker is another hot topic......
I'm sure there is a treaty somewhere though that says have to divide the precious resource up...... Then again, I am sure Hairtrigger, since he drew both a goat tag AND a sheep tag this year might have a different opinion to that suggestion. :chuckle:
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Draw odds were good to me last year bone all inside the closed area too another thing you guys should know is pretty much no one hunts bears in the closed area either the first snow I seen seven different sets two cougar sets too can't wait for my hounds to get bigger then its on yeah buddy I bet id be bear hunting paradise for you guys I see bears a lot too
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Draw odds were good to me last year bone all inside the closed area too another thing you guys should know is pretty much no one hunts bears in the closed area either the first snow I seen seven different sets two cougar sets too can't wait for my hounds to get bigger then its on yeah buddy I bet id be bear hunting paradise for you guys I see bears a lot too
so you get to use dogs too? Real nice!
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:yeah: real cute! We have to sit here and hammer out revisions and proposals while the tribal members get to do whatever they want! (not being racist here, being factual!) this is ridiculous! And the next time ya wanna pull the racial card remember that the tribes have very liberal hunting and fishing regs that no one else does!
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Calm down we can't use them unless the are a nuisance close to people like out in White Swan so we havta get a call too not rubbing anything in anyones face
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Oh ok that clears it up! Sorry for jumping to conclusions, :sry:
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If so we can call someone not enrolled to assist that has dogs an when they get big enough ill be needing some help
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Got ya. :tup:
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Do you have any dogs sled
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Two german shorthairs.
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Why is it illegal to hunt cats with dogs but yet you can hunt birds with them??
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Dont know. I dont make the laws just go bye them like most poeple do.
I see where this is going.
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No I don't want it to go that way I just wouldn't mind being able to use my dogs more is all it seems like a ton of fun to do an hope it changes sometime. If I wanted it to go that way I woulda started to say that at first I see a hellva lot of hunters on the rez that use dogs don't bother me for birds I mean wouldn't want you to see where this is going again lol Shi sled calm down lol
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No I don't want it to go that way I just wouldn't mind being able to use my dogs more is all it seems like a ton of fun to do an hope it changes sometime. If I wanted it to go that way I woulda started to say that at first I see a hellva lot of hunters on the rez that use dogs don't bother me for birds I mean wouldn't want you to see where this is going again lol Shi sled calm down lol
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Tribal involvement in management is becoming the norm. Why? Less bureaucratic paperwork working with the tribes, and some times more $$$ available to do so. Just like when 2 organisations pool their resources to accomplish anything... Even the state has to do what it can to avoid RED tape, kinda ironic huh... :chuckle:
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Environmental impact statements................ Tribe doesn't need them. :)
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:tup: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Took the kids up Saturday to see the sheep and elk. The pen was still up at the sheep feeding area.