Post by: Archeryoutfitters on January 31, 2012, 07:28:38 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 31, 2012, 07:37:13 PM
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Post by: coachcw on January 31, 2012, 07:55:32 PM
Post by: 400out on January 31, 2012, 08:07:16 PM
Post by: coachcw on January 31, 2012, 08:24:16 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on January 31, 2012, 08:25:10 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 31, 2012, 08:31:38 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 31, 2012, 08:35:44 PM
Post by: coachcw on January 31, 2012, 08:40:59 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 31, 2012, 08:42:41 PM
GMU #AVATAR :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: adamR on January 31, 2012, 08:45:15 PM
ok so much for trying to throw a curveball, Lets just agree that best bulls are in gmu 342.
WHOOAA!!! easy Coachcw... clearly the best bulls are in the blues
Post by: gasman on January 31, 2012, 08:47:13 PM
:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Or head to the Blues ;)
Post by: huntnnw on January 31, 2012, 09:53:32 PM
Post by: colockumelk on February 01, 2012, 04:32:52 AM
Your best bet for easier to draw tags that will still get you into big bulls are the Yakima GMUs that have no general archery season.. such as Observatory, Goose Prairie (general season but its spike only so nobody hunts it) Cowiche and Bethel. This way there isn't a sea of people pressuring the bulls. This means the elk will be plenty vocal.
Post by: Woodchuck on February 01, 2012, 06:34:54 AM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 01, 2012, 07:30:53 AM
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Post by: nwhunter on February 01, 2012, 08:00:00 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on February 01, 2012, 08:00:57 AM
Post by: 400out on February 01, 2012, 08:52:12 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=84463.msg1133237#msg1133237
I think a little info swap is in order ;)
Post by: igotbigbulls on February 01, 2012, 09:05:37 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on February 01, 2012, 09:28:58 AM
If you are in good shape and have packers or horses the wildernesss is a good spot, otherwise give Dayton a try, don't go anywhere near the tucannon, it's void of any elk ; )
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 01, 2012, 10:02:51 AM
Post by: Fullabull on February 01, 2012, 02:40:31 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 01, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
Colockum. no BAB's in the Blues :chuckle:
:yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 01, 2012, 06:42:08 PM
So now that you got your info Archeryoutfitter whats the scoop on the bull in your pic????nwhunterHello, nwhunter it is a bull i killed here in NE wa. this season my best, we have some good bulls here but there farrrrrr and fewwwww in between and the new country would be nice to see and hunt. and the chance at a Big bull would be a plus.
Post by: nwhunter on February 01, 2012, 09:44:16 PM
Post by: jstone on February 01, 2012, 09:46:42 PM
Post by: huntnnw on February 02, 2012, 02:15:48 AM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 02, 2012, 07:01:42 AM
Observatory, Goose Prairie,Dayton,Wenaha, are the 4 new ones got rid of the colockem,peaches ridge becouse of the other hunter in the woods?
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 02, 2012, 07:10:16 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 02, 2012, 07:18:15 AM
Post by: TheHunt on February 02, 2012, 07:31:06 AM
Wenaha, peaches ridge, Dayton,Colockum. are the ones i am getting a feeling for from you all that these 4 are the best ones to try for, for archery. and in that order?
That is a good selection.
Post by: bobcat on February 02, 2012, 07:38:46 AM
Wenaha, peaches ridge, Dayton,Colockum. are the ones i am getting a feeling for from you all that these 4 are the best ones to try for, for archery. and in that order?
That is a good selection.
Yeah, except with Peaches Ridge you'll be hunting with hundreds of other guys with general season tags looking for a spike or a cow. It used to be with that permit you'd have it all to yourself, since there was no general season. Well that changed a couple years ago. So you might want to consider that. I think somebody else mentioned that as well. I don't know about the hunting pressure in the other three, as I have never hunted those.
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 02, 2012, 07:48:46 AM
Thanks for that info on PR i must of over looked it. in the earlyer post.Wenaha, peaches ridge, Dayton,Colockum. are the ones i am getting a feeling for from you all that these 4 are the best ones to try for, for archery. and in that order?
That is a good selection.
Yeah, except with Peaches Ridge you'll be hunting with hundreds of other guys with general season tags looking for a spike or a cow. It used to be with that permit you'd have it all to yourself, since there was no general season. Well that changed a couple years ago. So you might want to consider that. I think somebody else mentioned that as well. I don't know about the hunting pressure in the other three, as I have never hunted those.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 02, 2012, 07:57:25 AM
I would love to draw peaches ridge again. I drew it in 04 and shot a little rag horn opening morning. I was young then and had no self control I already had it set in my mind I was shooting the first elk that would let me. I also drew goose prairie in 09 shot a cow on the 3rd day only 11 yards away. I have no self control when it comes to elk and filling my freezer.
I had the 09 Bumping also.. except I was holding out for my big bull... passed on a few raghorns and lots of cows... Had I not seen a bunch of big bulls scouting maybe I would have stuck one of the lesser bulls... oh well ate the tag trying for a wall hanger. Meat in the freezer would have been better.
To the original poster, Peaches Ridge should be way down on everyones list, now that the general hunt is in there at the same time... bulls shut up real quick over the last few years....
Post by: MAVsled on February 02, 2012, 06:29:15 PM
I hear and have known successful draws by hunters that ate tag soup; simply because the unit they drew, they did not know the drawn unit well enough to be successful.
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 02, 2012, 06:48:56 PM
the unit you know like the back of you hand....or better.I don't know any of the units that are draw units, just wanting to hunt some new country that has some big bulls in it, if i don't kill one at least i get to experience the new country. killing would be a added bonus. I have all ways been blessed when it comes to finding good animals, so i'm just looking for the opportunity and the experience.
I hear and have known successful draws by hunters that ate tag soup; simply because the unit they drew, they did not know the drawn unit well enough to be successful.
Post by: coachcw on February 02, 2012, 08:52:17 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 02, 2012, 09:07:57 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 03, 2012, 09:26:33 AM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 03, 2012, 07:55:50 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 05, 2012, 12:46:50 PM
I have 9 points for the archery draw this year and I feel like it is getting close? I haven't been applying for the blues either. but know some one who knows the area really well and lives rite there, might look into it a little.
I have 12 points for the Blues, and I am not making any plans.... :dunno:
Post by: Webfoot on February 05, 2012, 01:19:22 PM
Its a crapshoot.
All the points do for me is keep me from planning out of state hunts.
John
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 05, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
Post by: GoPlayOutside on February 07, 2012, 10:07:51 PM
Post by: coachcw on February 08, 2012, 06:37:46 AM
How do you get "deep into the Colockum"? There are roads 1/2 mile from every direction. Every time I try to get somewhere new and deeper, I run into another road or camp.There's areas in the cloc where we went that there wasnt a hunter anywhere near us . thats where the elk where in decent numbers . some times deep in can mean 1/2 to 1mile through steep blow downs plus there's closed roads that get away from the crowds. I'm talking archery season mainly . as jim zumbo call these spots elk nests ( the only way there comming out is if you push them out.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 08, 2012, 06:50:21 AM
I'm with you, 17 points and I also have no plans!!!I have 9 points for the archery draw this year and I feel like it is getting close? I haven't been applying for the blues either. but know some one who knows the area really well and lives rite there, might look into it a little.
I have 12 points for the Blues, and I am not making any plans.... :dunno:
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 08, 2012, 06:55:12 AM
Post by: benhuntin on February 08, 2012, 07:01:44 AM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 08, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
we drew the observatory last year and saw a few dandys in there but we were durring the muzzle season I heard it was slow durring archery TOO HOT in sept. good luckThank you for the info, ya it was the same way here last season.NE Wa.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 08, 2012, 09:09:42 AM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 08, 2012, 06:53:36 PM
Gentleman. There is such a thing as overdoing it... 12 points, 17 points. That just puts too much pressure on the tags, makes em "draw shy", you want to be in the 5-7 point range to really get a good tag :chuckle:Better to laugh than cry :)
Post by: rosscrazyelk on February 08, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Post by: soccerguy on February 08, 2012, 08:26:58 PM
I have 17 points and still have no confidence in drawing the tag.
Its a crapshoot.
All the points do for me is keep me from planning out of state hunts.
John
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2012, 08:58:08 PM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 09, 2012, 06:10:49 AM
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 09, 2012, 06:11:54 AM
I just want to see better pics of your bull. :)for some reason i cant down load pic's now to here but as soon as i can i will post some
Post by: BLUEBULLS on February 09, 2012, 07:19:52 AM
16 or 17 points really should be near 100% odds for many of the good archery and muzzleloader elk permits. Just don't apply for the permits that only have 1 or 2 available. There's really no reason anyone should accumulate that many points, unless you're applying for only the permits with the very worst odds. You really only need 8 or 9 points for a good chance at some of the best hunts.
HA, tell that to the 10 or 12 gus in my group with 16-17 points. :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2012, 07:33:08 AM
16 or 17 points really should be near 100% odds for many of the good archery and muzzleloader elk permits. Just don't apply for the permits that only have 1 or 2 available. There's really no reason anyone should accumulate that many points, unless you're applying for only the permits with the very worst odds. You really only need 8 or 9 points for a good chance at some of the best hunts.
HA, tell that to the 10 or 12 gus in my group with 16-17 points. :chuckle:
Well, the trick is you need to apply for hunts that offer a lot of permits. Look at the archery permits for Observatory, Peaches Ridge, Goose Prairie, and Rimrock. Or if they hunt the westside look at the Toutle archery permit. Muzzleloader is the same, odds just not quite as good as archery because less permits are offered. But if you're picky and only apply for hunts with 1 in 500 odds, don't expect to draw with any amount of points.
Post by: yelp on February 09, 2012, 07:50:15 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2012, 08:00:02 AM
Archery permits
Observatory 99%
Peaches Ridge 79%
Cowiche 69%
Bethel 93%
Mountain View 69%
Muzzleloader
Peaches Ridge 36%
Bethel 70%
Observatory 60%
Post by: whackemandstackem on February 09, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
Well I just looked at my handy dandy spreadsheet that gives odds of drawing based on your number of points. Here are some examples of high odds permits, this would be for 2011 if you had 17 points:
Archery permits
Observatory 99%
Peaches Ridge 79%
Cowiche 69%
Bethel 93%
Mountain View 69%
Muzzleloader
Peaches Ridge 36%
Bethel 70%
Observatory 60%
Now that you gave him your odds and best draw areas, you can drop YOUR success ratio since he will now be one more applicant you have to put in and compete with. I love the info thrown around on this site but it baffles me that people give info, which is public don't get me wrong, that the majority of guys would never know about. All of this decreasing your odds of drawing the top units and chasing trophy animals in Washington.
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
Now that you gave him your odds and best draw areas, you can drop YOUR success ratio since he will now be one more applicant you have to put in and compete with.
If someone has 17 points, I really hope they get drawn, for something. If they've waited that long they deserve to draw a permit before I do with my measly 4 points. I'm sure it's not hard to figure out the best odds permits, just look for the ones with the highest numbers.
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 09, 2012, 08:54:39 AM
Post by: Maverick on February 09, 2012, 09:14:07 AM
Word of advice. Drive up and check it out before you put in for the watershed permit. Heard of too many guys that get drawn and then go look at it and then not even want to hunt it in past years. Don't put in for a tag you dont want to hunt!
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2012, 09:19:31 AM
My dad and unclle have 17 points together. Every year they put in for the watershed and cant get drawn.
My spreadsheet shows a 54% chance of drawing that permit last year with 17 points. So it shouldn't be too much longer for them!
Post by: BLUEBULLS on February 09, 2012, 09:21:16 AM
Blue bulls you guys put in for PEaches I guarentee you get drawn! :dunno: :chuckle:
we have other plans.... you know that ;)
Post by: Maverick on February 09, 2012, 09:48:35 AM
Post by: summit creek on February 09, 2012, 06:23:07 PM
Hello, I was wondering what is our best East side draw to put in for to draw for a BIG bull, Archery tag Thanks for any information on this.you tell us look at the bull ur holdin :tup:
Post by: summit creek on February 09, 2012, 06:27:30 PM
Well I just looked at my handy dandy spreadsheet that gives odds of drawing based on your number of points. Here are some examples of high odds permits, this would be for 2011 if you had 17 points:17 points i drew a wey harder tag with 11 points
Archery permits
Observatory 99%
Peaches Ridge 79%
Cowiche 69%
Bethel 93%
Mountain View 69%
Muzzleloader
Peaches Ridge 36%
Bethel 70%
Observatory 60%
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 09, 2012, 06:48:07 PM
He came from a any elk unit no draw required, and i have been hunting him a big bull for 24 years to finally get one so a lot of time goes into getting one, just got lucky this year the first time out. would like to go some where there was a chance to get one in one seasonHello, I was wondering what is our best East side draw to put in for to draw for a BIG bull, Archery tag Thanks for any information on this.you tell us look at the bull ur holdin :tup:
Post by: Maverick on February 10, 2012, 09:58:39 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 10, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
I just want to see better pics of your bull. :)I second that
Post by: Archeryoutfitters on February 10, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
I posted some pic's on 2011 Bulls....post them here!! there on page #8 but i can't get any pic's loaded on here at this time??? not sure why.I just want to see better pics of your bull. :)I second that
Post by: antlerman on February 11, 2012, 07:57:08 AM
Post by: jstone on February 12, 2012, 03:37:18 PM
Post by: benhuntin on February 12, 2012, 03:38:53 PM
so how many people have got drawn for there second choice and not there first???My brother drew observatory as a second choice