Post by: atfulldraw on February 06, 2012, 07:13:07 AM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2012/wsr_12-04-098.pdf
Post by: boneaddict on February 06, 2012, 07:19:21 AM
Post by: JLS on February 06, 2012, 07:23:44 AM
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 06, 2012, 07:34:22 AM
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Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 06, 2012, 07:41:23 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 06, 2012, 07:56:38 AM
sure will. I like to hunt small game and the next time I shoot into a blackberry thicket it won't take me 30 min. to find my arrow. I guess I'm not like a lot of people around here that are happy to impose more laws and regulations on people just because they don't want to use something. gee i wonder why the laws are jacked up in Washington.
So don't take a shot that is outside of your ability to hit the animal.... oh wait that kind of proves my opinions about Lumenoks... now you can take those shots and see if you hit the animal or at least find the arrow... yep now you can take those marginal shots....
Post by: KillBilly on February 06, 2012, 07:57:34 AM
Post by: JohnVH on February 06, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 06, 2012, 08:33:24 AM
sure will. I like to hunt small game and the next time I shoot into a blackberry thicket it won't take me 30 min. to find my arrow. I guess I'm not like a lot of people around here that are happy to impose more laws and regulations on people just because they don't want to use something. gee i wonder why the laws are jacked up in Washington.
So don't take a shot that is outside of your ability to hit the animal.... oh wait that kind of proves my opinions about Lumenoks... now you can take those shots and see if you hit the animal or at least find the arrow... yep now you can take those marginal shots....
it has nothing to do with taking a shot outside my ability. Say when I'm hunting rabbit which I do with my bow they tend to be in the blackberries. it sure is nice when you find an arrow after the shot. I would be more than happy to stand side by side and see whos shooting ability is better. maybe your not good enough to hunt small game with your bow but I am. You must be one of those liberal minded people that need to make laws on everything. You know freedom of choice used to be a good thing,not being told every detail of what we could do. not like a lighted nock is a heat seeking arrow or anything.
Yep thats me... can't hit the broadside of a barn I am standing in... LOL
SO you think we should not legislate things in regards to hunting... heck ya, lets just get those thingies that hold a bow at full draw too.. man I get tired holding mine at full draw... lets get mounted range finders with a heads up display... ok so I am going a bit much here... but that is the reasoning you use of "legislation".. and me a liberal... now that is funny. I do believe in keeping the purity of archery intact. Oh by the way I suck so bad at archery.... ahhh never mind.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 06, 2012, 08:36:47 AM
sure will. I like to hunt small game and the next time I shoot into a blackberry thicket it won't take me 30 min. to find my arrow. I guess I'm not like a lot of people around here that are happy to impose more laws and regulations on people just because they don't want to use something. gee i wonder why the laws are jacked up in Washington.
So don't take a shot that is outside of your ability to hit the animal.... oh wait that kind of proves my opinions about Lumenoks... now you can take those shots and see if you hit the animal or at least find the arrow... yep now you can take those marginal shots....
it has nothing to do with taking a shot outside my ability. Say when I'm hunting rabbit which I do with my bow they tend to be in the blackberries. it sure is nice when you find an arrow after the shot. I would be more than happy to stand side by side and see whos shooting ability is better. maybe your not good enough to hunt small game with your bow but I am. You must be one of those liberal minded people that need to make laws on everything. You know freedom of choice used to be a good thing,not being told every detail of what we could do. not like a lighted nock is a heat seeking arrow or anything.
WOW a personal challenge... LOL Be serious .... #1 I shoot NFAA trad, if you want to I'd be happy to shoot side by side with you in that category.... LOL More than happy to ....
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 06, 2012, 08:36:57 AM
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Post by: wrongway on February 06, 2012, 08:39:03 AM
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Post by: kckrawler on February 06, 2012, 09:02:54 AM
I am going to try them just to see what all the fuss is about. :chuckle:
:yeah: Personally, I have a hard time seeing my arrow sticking out of the block at 50 yards so I'll give them a try for target practice and see where it goes from there...
Post by: h20hunter on February 06, 2012, 09:06:05 AM
Post by: lokidog on February 06, 2012, 09:22:04 AM
It should be a personal choice (there is no need to bag on each other here for using or not using them) as it does not make shooting an animal any easier but may help in recovery. I don't buy the argument that people using luminocks will be more likely to take unethical shots as that type would likely take them anyways. At least they would be able to pick up more of their arrows....
For videoing a hunt and shot, I think they are great. Kind of like the hockey games where you can see the trail of the puck all lit up.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 06, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 06, 2012, 10:29:55 AM
Not to thread jack but chew on this tangent for a minute... Modern firearm bull tag holders get to hunt 14 days while archery hunters get 13 days and that is if the woods don't get closed down to fire danger. Hhmmmm...
Post by: Houndhunter on February 06, 2012, 10:53:45 AM
Post by: alwinearcher on February 06, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
They look SWEET on video! :twocents:
Post by: Wildsau on February 06, 2012, 11:07:35 AM
It is not an issue of who can hit what they are shooting at, but, rather and issue of seeing the arrow well enough to recover it. If you can't hit a 3" circle ant 30 yards, you chould not be out there flinging arrows. The last thing we need is to have a lot animals wounded and dieing becasue of bad shots.
As far as I am concerned, any nock that will reflect existing light should be sufficient.
I will have to take a good long look at them before I make a FINAL decision, but I have the freedom of choice to make that decision; now. :dunno:
Post by: JLS on February 06, 2012, 11:19:17 AM
I don't like them being legal, but they are. I'll no more look down on someone using them legally and within their abilities than I would expect someone to view my choice to shoot a cow where it's legal.
Shoot straight.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 06, 2012, 11:22:11 AM
Post by: scoyoc5 on February 06, 2012, 11:23:20 AM
Post by: Snapshot on February 06, 2012, 11:37:35 AM
[For the record someone is counting their chickens before they hatch...they are proposed so as to "further discussion" the paperwork says. They currently are not legal so folks might want to wait before buying three dozen of them. ;)]
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 06, 2012, 12:03:46 PM
My whole point is why be so against something that has no affect on the ability to harvest an animal. Why as Americans can we not make a simple choice like using a lighted nock on arrow without all this debate. what hell is going on with people that there has to be laws for every little aspect of our lives. There's enough non hunters out there fighting to stop us from hunting as it is. We don't need the hunters helping them out by putting all these unnecessary regulations in place because they don't won't or like something. It should be in the best interest of all hunters not just a few.My opinion on this.... The people that don't want anything new in archery don't want the stuff because it might draw more people into the archery season. Take lumenocks for example....might encourage 1% of the rifle/muzzy crowd to switch weapons...result archery is looked at more closely in respect to harvest then days are cut and antlerless reduced, etc. My thought is that some want to keep 'masses' away from archery and preventing newer technology is a way to do that---lasers/scopes/lumenocks/crossbows/locking bows/flashlights on bows. That some want archery to be so difficult that only a few people will try it and they get the woods to themselves and long seasons that overlap the ruts.
Post by: lokidog on February 06, 2012, 12:18:13 PM
I can certainly see some people using them as a "tracer" arrow and taking shots that they might not otherwise take. However, whether or not people choose to use them now that they are legal really is no indicator whatsoever on their ethics or abilities.
I don't like them being legal, but they are. I'll no more look down on someone using them legally and within their abilities than I would expect someone to view my choice to shoot a cow where it's legal.
Shoot straight.
I have to disagree, people that are willing to take unethical shots will do so whether or not they can see where their arrow flies. Archers who would not think of taking an unethical shot will not suddenly start taking shots that they would not have taken w/o a lighted nock. It is about choice, just like using traditional or compound bows is a choice.
Post by: TheHunt on February 06, 2012, 12:21:53 PM
If that is the one thing that I use to validate a good hit than so be it for me. You never know if your arrow hits a limb and moves up on an animal. I think it would help me see the impact.
So I am going to give it a try for those reasons only.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on February 06, 2012, 04:16:35 PM
I am going to give them a try. At dusk it is hard for me to see the impact on the animal. I use white fletching and white wrap now it is helps ALOT! But as I am getting more mature my eyes are not as young as they were it might help.
If that is the one thing that I use to validate a good hit than so be it for me. You never know if your arrow hits a limb and moves up on an animal. I think it would help me see the impact.
So I am going to give it a try for those reasons only.
You're fortunate they're calling you "mature". I'm the old fart.
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
That is correct. The link that atfulldraw put into his post that started this thread takes us to a pdf file that is entitled "PROPOSED RULE MAKING"
Supposedly these are only proposals, but we should know from past experience that these so called proposals are already pretty much set in stone, by the time we, the public, get to see them. Although I do believe there have been some very rare exceptions to that rule.
Post by: Tacomahunter on February 06, 2012, 04:59:57 PM
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Post by: 92xj on February 06, 2012, 05:44:40 PM
I killed my first 7 deer with them. All my shots were pass throughs, some from a stand, others from the ground. The shots from the stand made the arrow easy to find, all though without them, it was still easy. The ground shots where the arrow ran under the leaves and grass, the light made them a lot easier to find. All of my kills were in the evening and I would wait till dark to get down, since I didnt have to worry about finding my arrow with the help of daylight, and could continue to hunt and in one hunt was able to stick a second deer. It allowed me to take my eye off of the location of the shot and made it super easy to pick up the blood trail 2-3 hours later. So, yes, I will use them.
Post by: Wa hunter on February 06, 2012, 05:47:53 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 06, 2012, 05:54:38 PM
Post by: bow-n-head on February 06, 2012, 06:06:53 PM
Post by: Snapshot on February 06, 2012, 06:45:18 PM
Locating a downed game is the single most important thing we as conscientious individuals can do while in the field hunting. And the second most important thing, in my opinion, is taking reasonable shots; good light; short distances. I believe, though we will never know whether I'm right or wrong, that any device which may encourage some individuals to change their self-imposed shot limitations will lead to bad hits that wouldn't have occurred had there been no electric nock in their quivers. It only stands to reason that this will happen. And so there will be, if I am correct about human nature, more poorly hit and lost animals.
Because no glowing arrow on the ground, or in an out-of-view animal, is going to help the average hunter to follow a scant blood-trail. An experienced tracker, perhaps yes; but not Joe Average.
I wish the department would encourage that people take tracking dogs into the field to follow up on a marginal hit. That would be a real recovery aid.
Post by: Snapshot on February 06, 2012, 06:54:06 PM
That is correct. The link that atfulldraw put into his post that started this thread takes us to a pdf file that is entitled "PROPOSED RULE MAKING"
Supposedly these are only proposals, but we should know from past experience that these so called proposals are already pretty much set in stone, by the time we, the public, get to see them. Although I do believe there have been some very rare exceptions to that rule.
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings and the 'Fat Lady' is the Commission. They decide which department proposals become WACs and which do not.
Post by: 92xj on February 06, 2012, 07:47:26 PM
Post by: throttlejocky20 on February 06, 2012, 07:54:45 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2012, 08:07:01 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 06, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Just wondering when the technology will come that will light up bullets out of our rifles so we can see where they go to! :IBCOOL:
You mean a tracer round? :chuckle:
Post by: JLS on February 06, 2012, 08:23:54 PM
I can certainly see some people using them as a "tracer" arrow and taking shots that they might not otherwise take. However, whether or not people choose to use them now that they are legal really is no indicator whatsoever on their ethics or abilities.
I don't like them being legal, but they are. I'll no more look down on someone using them legally and within their abilities than I would expect someone to view my choice to shoot a cow where it's legal.
Shoot straight.
I have to disagree, people that are willing to take unethical shots will do so whether or not they can see where their arrow flies. Archers who would not think of taking an unethical shot will not suddenly start taking shots that they would not have taken w/o a lighted nock. It is about choice, just like using traditional or compound bows is a choice.
Did you miss the part where I stated that using luminocks has NO INDICATION OF THEIR ETHICS?
Someone that's already an idiot will continue to be an idiot. Said idiot now has the ability to use a quasi tracer round. Will this make said idiot take a questionable shot since he can now more clearly see his arrows? My anecdotal prediction is yes. Am I Nostrodamus? No.
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2012, 08:25:59 PM
Just wondering when the technology will come that will light up bullets out of our rifles so we can see where they go to! :IBCOOL:
You mean a tracer round? :chuckle:
No I want a bright light attached to the base of the bullet.
Post by: bearpaw on February 06, 2012, 08:34:30 PM
Post by: Pinetar on February 06, 2012, 08:54:01 PM
Post by: lokidog on February 06, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
I can certainly see some people using them as a "tracer" arrow and taking shots that they might not otherwise take. However, whether or not people choose to use them now that they are legal really is no indicator whatsoever on their ethics or abilities.
I don't like them being legal, but they are. I'll no more look down on someone using them legally and within their abilities than I would expect someone to view my choice to shoot a cow where it's legal.
Shoot straight.
I have to disagree, people that are willing to take unethical shots will do so whether or not they can see where their arrow flies. Archers who would not think of taking an unethical shot will not suddenly start taking shots that they would not have taken w/o a lighted nock. It is about choice, just like using traditional or compound bows is a choice.
Did you miss the part where I stated that using luminocks has NO INDICATION OF THEIR ETHICS?
Someone that's already an idiot will continue to be an idiot. Said idiot now has the ability to use a quasi tracer round. Will this make said idiot take a questionable shot since he can now more clearly see his arrows? My anecdotal prediction is yes. Am I Nostrodamus? No.
This first part would seem to differ with the second..... :dunno:
As far as "tracers" go, if you know what a tracer round does for a machine gun, then you would hopefully realize using a luminock as a tracer for a bow is a somewhat pointless endeavor, unless maybe you can reload and shoot a lot faster than most of us? And, it does indeed seem like you are "looking down on someone" who would use them since it appears that you think they will make otherwise ethical archers take unethical shots.
Done!
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2012, 08:56:35 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 06, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Post by: kenzmad on February 06, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2012, 09:37:34 PM
you would be hard pressed to fing anyone in the woods hunting with what was a traditional muzzy nowadays.
I must be the only one! 8)
Post by: kenzmad on February 06, 2012, 09:42:55 PM
you would be hard pressed to fing anyone in the woods hunting with what was a traditional muzzy nowadays.
I must be the only one! 8)
Good on you! I would be there too if the regs would go back. been doing the muzzy thing for 25 years. I love my old Hawken but if they are going to let me go more modern, I will
Post by: fair-chase on February 06, 2012, 09:43:47 PM
you would be hard pressed to fing anyone in the woods hunting with what was a traditional muzzy nowadays.
I must be the only one! 8)
You're not alone Bobcat. Both me and my father use traditional style muzzies. I actually went really old school this year and shot my deer with a round ball from practically a smooth bore (1:84 twist I think). :yike: Imagine that. Those things still work in this day and age. :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 06, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
+1you would be hard pressed to fing anyone in the woods hunting with what was a traditional muzzy nowadays.
I must be the only one! 8)
well, maybe not hunting....more like gambling---'will it go off? or won't it?'
Post by: JLS on February 06, 2012, 10:02:15 PM
I can certainly see some people using them as a "tracer" arrow and taking shots that they might not otherwise take. However, whether or not people choose to use them now that they are legal really is no indicator whatsoever on their ethics or abilities.
I don't like them being legal, but they are. I'll no more look down on someone using them legally and within their abilities than I would expect someone to view my choice to shoot a cow where it's legal.
Shoot straight.
I have to disagree, people that are willing to take unethical shots will do so whether or not they can see where their arrow flies. Archers who would not think of taking an unethical shot will not suddenly start taking shots that they would not have taken w/o a lighted nock. It is about choice, just like using traditional or compound bows is a choice.
Did you miss the part where I stated that using luminocks has NO INDICATION OF THEIR ETHICS?
Someone that's already an idiot will continue to be an idiot. Said idiot now has the ability to use a quasi tracer round. Will this make said idiot take a questionable shot since he can now more clearly see his arrows? My anecdotal prediction is yes. Am I Nostrodamus? No.
This first part would seem to differ with the second..... :dunno:
As far as "tracers" go, if you know what a tracer round does for a machine gun, then you would hopefully realize using a luminock as a tracer for a bow is a somewhat pointless endeavor, unless maybe you can reload and shoot a lot faster than most of us? And, it does indeed seem like you are "looking down on someone" who would use them since it appears that you think they will make otherwise ethical archers take unethical shots.
Done!
I never said it would make an ethical archer take an unethical shot. That would make him an unethical archer wouldn't it?
My point was not that it would make an ethical archer suddenly forsake his standards, it was that the idiot archer can now more clearly see his arrow for a questionable shot.
I'm not looking down on anybody. I already said, and I'll say it again that if they are legal to use I could care less if you choose to do so.
I believe I referenced that it was a quasi tracer round? That means not actual but close.
Also, I very clearly stated this is my personal prediction, not fact. Argue away man, I have no dog in this fight. I won't buy 'em and I really don't care if you do.
Post by: PolarBear on February 06, 2012, 10:06:04 PM
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Post by: oldleclercrd on February 06, 2012, 10:09:38 PM
Post by: 92xj on February 07, 2012, 05:08:40 AM
Just wondering when the technology will come that will light up bullets out of our rifles so we can see where they go to! :IBCOOL:
No need for a lighted bullet, just get you one of these...
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.dailytech.com%2Fnimage%2FSandia_Bullet_In_Hand.jpg&hash=2a4013ef64a4560b0e896cc92441d814c9dc565a)
http://www.dailytech.com/SelfGuided+Bullet+is+a+Soldiers+Best+Friend/article23927.htm
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2012, 05:18:50 AM
Just wondering when the technology will come that will light up bullets out of our rifles so we can see where they go too! :IBCOOL:
No need for a lighted bullet, just get you one of these...
Perfect! A smart bullet....this is just what they need on "Best of the West"!
Post by: TheHunt on February 07, 2012, 06:45:29 AM
I am going to give them a try. At dusk it is hard for me to see the impact on the animal. I use white fletching and white wrap now it is helps ALOT! But as I am getting more mature my eyes are not as young as they were it might help.
If that is the one thing that I use to validate a good hit than so be it for me. You never know if your arrow hits a limb and moves up on an animal. I think it would help me see the impact.
So I am going to give it a try for those reasons only.
You're fortunate they're calling you "mature". I'm the old fart.
:chuckle: I am still in denial even if they call me an old.
Post by: seth30 on February 07, 2012, 06:52:15 AM
Post by: TheHunt on February 07, 2012, 07:01:10 AM
I do like Brandon of "Best of the West". He is an archery elk hunter at heart. Good guyJust wondering when the technology will come that will light up bullets out of our rifles so we can see where they go too! :IBCOOL:
No need for a lighted bullet, just get you one of these...
Perfect! A smart bullet....this is just what they need on "Best of the West"!
Post by: boneaddict on February 07, 2012, 07:11:15 AM
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I will use them, arrows cost too much money to lose in the woods
Now when you lose them they will cost twice as much. :chuckle:
Post by: seth30 on February 07, 2012, 07:14:43 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle:QuoteI will use them, arrows cost too much money to lose in the woods
Now when you lose them they will cost twice as much. :chuckle:
Post by: coachcw on February 07, 2012, 07:18:51 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 07, 2012, 07:21:26 AM
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like range finders and bow sights
Yeah, don't use those either. I must be a cheap *censored*. :)
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 07, 2012, 07:22:11 AM
Post by: dreamunelk on February 07, 2012, 07:24:30 AM
Post by: seth30 on February 07, 2012, 07:29:26 AM
Just how many arrows do you guy's lose?I lost one last season hunting, and two at the archery range.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 07, 2012, 07:31:03 AM
Just how many arrows do you guy's lose?I lost one last season hunting, and two at the archery range.
Save your money and buy some eyeglasses instead! :yike: JK!
Post by: boneaddict on February 07, 2012, 07:31:49 AM
I bet robin hooding them will be worth the extra $10 each. I tend to lose more arrows by my own regard (hitting them with another arrow etc. ) than anything.
Post by: scoyoc5 on February 07, 2012, 07:34:12 AM
Post by: rasbo on February 07, 2012, 07:45:08 AM
Post by: Snapshot on February 07, 2012, 08:09:29 AM
need these arrows,you wont have to worry about finding them,even the 100yd bad shots will drop your game.Then you wont have to worry about tracking skills..
So I would like to hear from the the "Anything that is legal I will use..." people; how about these exploding arrows? If they were legal would you use them?
Post by: h20hunter on February 07, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
Post by: Snapshot on February 07, 2012, 08:17:52 AM
Just how many arrows do you guy's lose?I think I recall losing a hunting arrow about three or four years ago. Prior to that I don't know how long it had been since I lost one. But I guess maybe half a dozen over the past twenty years. I will bust or lose a dozen or more each year while practicing (3-D's & stump-shooting) but that is different because for me good practice is all about putting hundreds of arrows in the air, whereas hunting is about putting one good arrow in the air.
Post by: Snapshot on February 07, 2012, 08:21:07 AM
Nah.......to much wasted meat.One of my friends used to rifle hunt as a youth and told me that his grandpa told him the same thing about a bullet and so instructed him to shoot for the head or neck. Same could hold true for an exploding broadhead; shoot 'em where the meat ain't.
Post by: seth30 on February 07, 2012, 08:25:27 AM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on February 07, 2012, 09:00:48 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2012, 09:03:41 AM
If its legal I don't care if anyone uses them.
This issue is so insignificant and meaningless to me, that I wouldn't care if people used them even if they were illegal. It's like getting mad at someone for driving 61 mph on the free way when the speed limit is 60.
Post by: 92xj on February 07, 2012, 09:16:41 AM
I dont give a damn what you do as long as it's within the law.
Post by: KimberRich on February 07, 2012, 10:01:55 AM
I like the idea of being able to recover an arrow easier in thick brush and getting better insight on the shot. I don't have an expensive camera filming my hunts so I can just go back to the lodge and replay the footage and see where the hit was exactly, and I do not stop hunting with 15 minutes of legal hunting light remaining because I can't film anymore. In low light conditions it can be tough to see exactly what happens and where the arrow hits or missses. Bad shots will be taken by people with a lighted knock or not. Like others have said.. It could save money on finding arrows that may otherwise be lost.
If it helped me on ANY level in recovering an animal I am for it but that's just me. I see where some people are coming from and I get that also.
I would rather have the seasons back to what they used to be though instead of lighted knocks. :twocents:
Post by: Special T on February 07, 2012, 12:53:26 PM
:yeah:If its legal I don't care if anyone uses them.
This issue is so insignificant and meaningless to me, that I wouldn't care if people used them even if they were illegal. It's like getting mad at someone for driving 61 mph on the free way when the speed limit is 60.
Post by: alwinearcher on February 07, 2012, 02:38:05 PM
Alwine....please reconsider. I'd love to see that mule deer you are going to get this fall in the books. :chuckle:
I have never entered anything in the books so its not something I had thought of :dunno:
Ok, I will keep A arrow in my quiver with a Standard nock on it just in-case I get a shot at a world/state record animal :tup:
Post by: Machias on February 07, 2012, 02:58:27 PM
Alwine....please reconsider. I'd love to see that mule deer you are going to get this fall in the books. :chuckle:Ok, I will keep A arrow in my quiver with a Standard nock on it just in-case I get a shot at a world/state record animal :tup:
:( Then you'll miss him because your point of impact will have changed. ;)
Nope, won't be buying them.
Post by: alwinearcher on February 07, 2012, 04:42:26 PM
Alwine....please reconsider. I'd love to see that mule deer you are going to get this fall in the books. :chuckle:Ok, I will keep A arrow in my quiver with a Standard nock on it just in-case I get a shot at a world/state record animal :tup:
:( Then you'll miss him because your point of impact will have changed. ;)
Nope, won't be buying them.
Id account for it. Hold 1/2" low at 20.. 2 1/2" low at 50 should be close.
If i actually end up going with this, I would have pre tested it.. :tup:
Post by: Machias on February 07, 2012, 07:34:21 PM
Post by: briancorneal on February 07, 2012, 08:09:49 PM
Not a chance. I have no plans to use them. We need to concentrate our efforts on getting our seasons back. In my opinion, this nock issue was just a bone they through at archery so that they could say they did something.
Not to thread jack but chew on this tangent for a minute... Modern firearm bull tag holders get to hunt 14 days while archery hunters get 13 days and that is if the woods don't get closed down to fire danger. Hhmmmm...
They're legal now?
Post by: Blacktail_Fever on February 07, 2012, 08:16:37 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 07, 2012, 08:17:32 PM
Not a chance. I have no plans to use them. We need to concentrate our efforts on getting our seasons back. In my opinion, this nock issue was just a bone they through at archery so that they could say they did something.
Not to thread jack but chew on this tangent for a minute... Modern firearm bull tag holders get to hunt 14 days while archery hunters get 13 days and that is if the woods don't get closed down to fire danger. Hhmmmm...
They're legal now?
It is just a proposal... it has not been approved yet.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 07, 2012, 08:25:29 PM
Post by: kglacken on February 07, 2012, 08:28:30 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 07, 2012, 08:34:43 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on February 08, 2012, 06:09:31 PM
Post by: scoyoc5 on February 08, 2012, 06:26:41 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 08, 2012, 06:31:45 PM
You won't be shooting any nock during your short, hot, non-rut Sept 2-14 elk season here in the coming years... Ridiculous this topic is 8 pages long but relatively few are outraged at the season and allocation issues. WSB has a big proposal to the WDFW about the Bumping unit, if anyone is interested in real issues...? Even some of the major archery group leaders on this thread wasting countless hours posting but not working on or posting on any of the other issues is disheartening.
Starting off by taking swings at your fellow hunters isn't going to get you far in building a strong front with which to approach the WDFW. If you have a WDFW issue, there are plenty of people, including me who deal with our state's officials on a daily basis. Post your WDFW issue here: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?board=21.0
or pm me, Killbilly, or Bearpaw and we'll respond.
What's the quote? "If we can't stand together, we'll surely fall apart." Something like that. Stand together with your fellow hunters, Popeshawn.
John W
Washington for Wildlife
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2012, 06:52:18 PM
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But when I do miss I feel like I just threw a $20 bill in the woods. Hopefully luminocks will help with this!
Yeah, it will be thirty dollars. :chuckle:
Post by: Machias on February 08, 2012, 06:56:14 PM
You won't be shooting any nock during your short, hot, non-rut Sept 2-14 elk season here in the coming years... Ridiculous this topic is 8 pages long but relatively few are outraged at the season and allocation issues. WSB has a big proposal to the WDFW about the Bumping unit, if anyone is interested in real issues...? Even some of the major archery group leaders on this thread wasting countless hours posting but not working on or posting on any of the other issues is disheartening.
I don't understand why people don't think we, as archers, can tackle more than one issue at a time. We can handle MULTIPLE issues and still have time to "discuss" silly issues.
Post by: Machias on February 08, 2012, 06:58:23 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 08, 2012, 06:59:31 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2012, 07:00:01 PM
post #41 says it all. :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 08, 2012, 07:00:58 PM
You won't be shooting any nock during your short, hot, non-rut Sept 2-14 elk season here in the coming years... Ridiculous this topic is 8 pages long but relatively few are outraged at the season and allocation issues. WSB has a big proposal to the WDFW about the Bumping unit, if anyone is interested in real issues...? Even some of the major archery group leaders on this thread wasting countless hours posting but not working on or posting on any of the other issues is disheartening.
I don't understand why people don't think we, as archers, can tackle more than one issue at a time. We can handle MULTIPLE issues and still have time to "discuss" silly issues.
You have a way with words, Machias.
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2012, 07:12:07 PM
Wolves.....treaty rights......season settings and game management might be a little more important than a light on a stick.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 08, 2012, 07:17:43 PM
Since a majority of you are married, I'll splain it to you in a way you might understand....... You can tone it out as she is continously harping on you, but when she really wants you to listen to her, she gets your attention. I believe that would be the premise here as well with the game commission.
Wolves.....treaty rights......season settings and game management might be a little more important than a light on a stick.
Yeah Bone, but this thread is about lights on a stick! We're posting in the other threads you mentioned, as well. Like Machias most eloquently stated, we can do more than one thing at once. We can have stupid talks about lights on a stick AND we can address, and often do, more important issues at the same time. So, back to lights on a stick.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 09, 2012, 07:31:06 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 09, 2012, 07:54:57 AM
I am submitting this email to follow up on the letter from the Archery Coalition of Washington, as you are aware we are made up of board members from the WSAA, WSB and the TBW. We have several issues we would like the Department to consider for improving the Bowhunters opportunities within our State.
1. Change the early elk season back to 8-21 Sept vice the starting date of the 1st
Tuesday after Labor Day, and add our 1 day back that was taken away in 2009.
2. Add more bowhunter opportunity in the late deer season within the 200 GMU’s, to
alleviate over crowding within the Swakane GMU, preferably ALTA GMU 242.
3. Add a late Archery elk hunt in the Quilomene for antlerless/spike.
4. Change the early archery elk hunt in the Bumping GMU 356 from spike only to antlerless
and spike, as calf recruitment is back at department goals.
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 09, 2012, 08:00:28 AM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on February 09, 2012, 08:00:50 AM
To answer the question to this thread, I might use them. I've lost arrows while hunting I'd like to have back. Spending $10 doesn't sound like a lot to me after I take off a week of work, pay hundreds of dollars in gas to get to my hunting area, spending 2k plus on tags, etc.
Post by: DoubleJ on February 09, 2012, 08:05:09 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 09, 2012, 08:19:11 AM
I have made my thoughts known on another hunting site as I don't have time to post on every site out there. Providing written requests and statistics to the WDFW to further support pre-agreed coalition goals sounds like furthering those goals to me. If we can work to get the Bumping elk unit back it will do mo re to affect bowhunters than any lighted nock will. :twocents:
To answer the question to this thread, I might use them. I've lost arrows while hunting I'd like to have back. Spending $10 doesn't sound like a lot to me after I take off a week of work, pay hundreds of dollars in gas to get to my hunting area, spending 2k plus on tags, etc.
So you're continuing to comment on luminocks but don't have enough time to post about the issue you thought was so much more important? Right! :dunno:
Post by: CoryTDF on February 09, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Post by: Snapshot on February 09, 2012, 09:01:06 AM
Sweet baby christ! this issue is played out. All a luminock does is hel pyou see where your arrow went. THAT IS IT! if you dont like the $10 price tag dont buy them.
Respectfully disagree, Cory. An electric nock exception would knock a hole in the long-standing barrier that has kept electric gadgets out of our bowhunting seasons. If it is allowed what will follow will be a campaign my the maker of the broadhead that has a laser pointer in its tip. And the maker of electric sight pins will start gathering signatures on petitions. All will do so in the name of "less wounding" but what they really will be allowing is more shots that can be taken in less-than-favorable conditions (too far or too dark to see) and so more wounding loss would likely be the result. Bowhunting is not broken; it doesn't need an electronic fix.
A lot of folks will never understand why some of us who only bowhunt see this as a dangerous precedent. I happen to know having talked to many non-hunters, in fact some who are downright squeamish about hunting, that archery hunting in its purest form is more respected by those people than are the methods that don't give the animal as good a chance of escaping unharmed. They see old-fashioned archery hunting as a fair fight. But as every gadget and gizmo that someone can invent is allowed into seasons (and glorified on TV) the advantage is being tipped to the hunter and that, Cory, does not bode well for our image. And if we expect our grandkids to be able to go into the woods with bow in hand, we damn well better tend to our image.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 09, 2012, 09:12:35 AM
I also see no way approving lighted nocks will herald the beginning of the end for bowhunting.
Non-hunters who don't understand our sport have no opinions about the differences between a longbow and a compound, a lighted nock or not, instinctive or using a sight aiming. They have no idea what all of that means. I'm sure if you show someone the pluses for using modern equipment to affect a humane kill and a higher recovery rate, they'd be fine. If you touted the advantages of fair chase and primitive equipment, they'd be fine with that too. Which way is the wind blowing today? The best explanation will get the positive response from the uninformed non-hunter.
Luminocks are being used almost everywhere in the country and bow hunting hasn't lost any popularity. I won't use them but I don't care if someone else does. It's not the Armageddon of bow hunting for sure.
Post by: Lowedog on February 09, 2012, 09:13:09 AM
A lot of folks will never understand why some of us who only bowhunt see this as a dangerous precedent. I happen to know having talked to many non-hunters, in fact some who are downright squeamish about hunting, that archery hunting in its purest form is more respected by those people than are the methods that don't give the animal as good a chance of escaping unharmed. They see old-fashioned archery hunting as a fair fight.
So just exactly what is "archery hunting in it's purest form"? I am sure that is what you do, right? A chunk of ceder, a senew string and home made arrows made out of some sticks you found with a sharp rock on the end?
Post by: Camp David on February 09, 2012, 09:31:01 AM
Luminocks are being used almost everywhere in the country and bow hunting hasn't lost any popularity. I won't use them but I don't care if someone else does. It's not the Armageddon of bow hunting for sure.
:yeah:
Post by: KillBilly on February 09, 2012, 09:48:27 AM
A lot of folks will never understand why some of us who only bowhunt see this as a dangerous precedent. I happen to know having talked to many non-hunters, in fact some who are downright squeamish about hunting, that archery hunting in its purest form is more respected by those people than are the methods that don't give the animal as good a chance of escaping unharmed. They see old-fashioned archery hunting as a fair fight.
So just exactly what is "archery hunting in it's purest form"? I am sure that is what you do, right? A chunk of ceder, a senew string and home made arrows made out of some sticks you found with a sharp rock on the end?
Actually, there was never a time in our history when you could find a stick with a sharp rock stuck on the end. Adding a rock to the end of a stick was deemed an improvement. Man is still attempting to improve the sharp thing on the end...man is also still attempting to improve the stick itself. The other end of that same stick has not been addressed as much because it does not do the killing, it only has a small role in the successful launch and flight of the stick. Whether it glows in the dark or not is a moot point in my mind.
Post by: Machias on February 09, 2012, 11:09:06 AM
Luminocks are being used almost everywhere in the country and bow hunting hasn't lost any popularity. I won't use them but I don't care if someone else does. It's not the Armageddon of bow hunting for sure.
:yeah:
There is a pretty big difference between us and most of them other states. Most of the other states have not pitted the user groups against each other as this state has. Almost all of those other 44 states where they are legal, a person can buy a archery permit, a rifle permit and a muzzleloader permit.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 09, 2012, 11:13:24 AM
Luminocks are being used almost everywhere in the country and bow hunting hasn't lost any popularity. I won't use them but I don't care if someone else does. It's not the Armageddon of bow hunting for sure.
:yeah:
There is a pretty big difference between us and most of them other states. Most of the other states have not pitted the user groups against each other as this state has. Almost all of those other 44 states where they are legal, a person can buy a archery permit, a rifle permit and a muzzleloader permit.
You'll get no argument from me there.
Post by: rasbo on February 09, 2012, 11:39:59 AM
Post by: Snapshot on February 09, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
There is a pretty big difference between us and most of them other states. Most of the other states have not pitted the user groups against each other as this state has. Almost all of those other 44 states where they are legal, a person can buy a archery permit, a rifle permit and a muzzleloader permit.
...and in many of those other states there are too many deer and game departments encourage anything that may increase the number of deer taken.
Post by: Snapshot on February 09, 2012, 11:53:40 AM
Respectfully Snapshot, I don't see any connection between lighted nocks and lighted sights or laser broadheads at all.
Electricity. It really is that simple. Cross that line and there is no way to predict where we'll wind up.
Post by: Snapshot on February 09, 2012, 12:16:03 PM
A lot of folks will never understand why some of us who only bowhunt see this as a dangerous precedent. I happen to know having talked to many non-hunters, in fact some who are downright squeamish about hunting, that archery hunting in its purest form is more respected by those people than are the methods that don't give the animal as good a chance of escaping unharmed. They see old-fashioned archery hunting as a fair fight.
So just exactly what is "archery hunting in it's purest form"?
From my perspective, and based solely upon my personal experiences, its using a simple stick and a string similar to that carried by Compton, Hill, Young, Pope, Stevenson and Duryee. What Olympians use yet today; a resilient piece of material strung taunt with a string which when bent and then released transfers the energy stored in the bent limbs to the arrow shaft to send it down range.
Post by: KillBilly on February 09, 2012, 12:35:08 PM
Just wondering when the technology will come that will light up bullets out of our rifles so we can see where they go to! :IBCOOL:
They exist and are called tracers
Post by: KillBilly on February 09, 2012, 12:53:43 PM
WAC 232-12-054 Archery requirements - Archery special use permits.
Purpose of the proposal and its anticipated effects, including any changes in existing rules: This
proposed amendment is intended to further the discussion on allowing illuminated nocks for archery
equipment.Reasons supporting proposal: This proposal facilitates public discussion of new technologies and
consideration of acceptable fair chase and ethical standards for hunting.
Current wording of WAC-12-054 (1) (b): (b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting.
AMENDATORY SECTION (Amending Order 10-94, filed 4/30/10, effective
5/31/10)
WAC 232-12-054 Archery requirements--Archery special use
permits.
(1) Rules pertaining to all archery hunting seasons:
(a) It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his
possession any firearm while in the field archery hunting, during an archery season specified for that area, except for modern handguns carried for personal protection. Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery, big game hunting season.
(b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or
electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting
except for illuminated nocks.
(c) It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow from a vehicle or
from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway,except that persons with a disabled hunter permit may shoot from a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance with WAC 232-12-828.
(d) It is unlawful to use any device secured to or supported by the bow for the purpose of maintaining the bow at full draw or in a firing position, except that persons with an archery special use permit may hunt game birds or game animals using a device that stabilizes and holds a long bow, recurve bow, or compound bow at a full draw, and may use a mechanical or electrical release.
(e) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with a crossbow during an
archery season. However, disabled hunter permittees in possession of a crossbow special use permit may hunt with a crossbow in any season that allows archery equipment.
(f) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow or
bolt that does not have a sharp broadhead, and the broadhead blade or blades are less than seven-eighths inch wide.
(g) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead
blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width and forming a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft, and such line does not angle toward the point.
(h) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a retractable broadhead.
(i) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with any bow ((or crossbow)) equipped with a scope. However, hunters with disabilities who meet the definition of being visually impaired in WAC 232-12-828 may receive a special use permit that would allow the use of scopes or other visual aids. A disabled hunter permit
holder in possession of a special use permit that allows the use of a scope or visual aid may hunt game birds or game animals during archery seasons.
[ 2 ] OTS-4569.1
(2) Rules pertaining to long bow, recurve bow and compound bow
archery:
(a) It is unlawful for any person to hunt big game animals with a bow that does not produce a minimum of 40 pounds of pull measured at twenty-eight inches or less draw length.
(b) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow measuring less than 20 inches in length or weighing less than 6
grains per pound of draw weight with a minimum arrow weight of 300 grains.
(3) Archery special use permits:
(a) An archery special use permit is available to a person who possesses a valid disabled hunter permit. An archery special use permit application must be signed by a physician stating that the person's disability is permanent and the person has a loss of use of one or both upper extremities, has a significant limitation in the use of an upper extremity, or has a permanent physical limitation, which loss or limitation substantially impairs the ability to safely hold, grasp, or shoot a long bow, recurve bow orcompound bow. The loss or limitation may be the result of, but not limited to, amputation, paralysis, diagnosed disease, or birth defect. The approved archery special use permit must be in the physical possession of the person while using adaptive archery equipment as described in subsection (1)(d) of this section to hunt game birds or game animals.
(b) A crossbow special use permit is available to a person who meets the requirements for an archery special use permit and is unable to use adaptive archery equipment. Adaptive equipment includes, but is not limited to: Cocking devices that hold the bow at full draw; trigger mechanisms that may be released by mouth, or chin, or hand supporting the bow; and devices that assist insupporting the bow. Information describing types of adaptive equipment will be provided to physicians for their assessment of the applicant's ability to utilize adaptive archery equipment.Muscle weakness, impaired range of motion, or unilateral hand weakness disability, of both hands or both arms or both sides of the upper extremity, may result in an inability to use adaptive archery equipment. Standard tests approved by the American Medical Association may be conducted to assess a person's abilities.
(4) A violation of this section is punishable under RCW
77.15.400, 77.15.410, or 77.15.430, depending on the species hunted.
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2012, 01:04:33 PM
Electricity. It really is that simple. Cross that line and there is no way to predict where we'll wind up.
Well with an overwhelming 88% in favor poll, I guess we will see won't we.
It will be very difficult for WDFW to turn it down with that kind of response.
Post by: hunt4 on February 09, 2012, 01:06:58 PM
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..and in many of those other states there are too many deer and game departments encourage anything that may increase the number of deer taken.well a lighted nok WILL NOT help you harvest anything. period!
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Electricity. It really is that simple. Cross that line and there is no way to predict where we'll wind up.
I am sick off this paranoid BS the people asked for lighted noks, simply that is why its been looked at in to making them legal.
They just did not pull it out there ass.
I don't see one thread discussing or asking to make lighted sights, bow mounted range finders, lazier tipped broad heads.....ext legal. Common sense should and shall prevail :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 09, 2012, 01:14:16 PM
Post by: Machias on February 09, 2012, 01:51:21 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on February 09, 2012, 02:41:52 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 09, 2012, 02:49:11 PM
We can all stop fighting about it now, it's a done deal. We can say the fat lady hasn't sung yet, but she sure has cleared her throat.....it's a done deal. So on to bigger issues. For those against this proposal, I hope and pray our fears turn out to be unfounded.
:tup:
Post by: greenhead_killer on February 09, 2012, 03:14:41 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 09, 2012, 03:25:05 PM
Post by: Machias on February 09, 2012, 03:37:07 PM
Post by: Tony on February 09, 2012, 03:37:39 PM
Post by: KillBilly on February 09, 2012, 05:56:52 PM
Getting away from the original post a bit, eh? The debate about whether it should be legal is quite late. This one is whether or not you'll use them.
They are not legal yet...so the argument is still a moot point.
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2012, 07:22:40 PM
My arrows are so slow that I use darker colors to keep the animals from seeing the arrow coming at them.
LOL :chuckle:
Post by: sakoshooter on February 09, 2012, 10:04:52 PM
My arrows are so slow that I use darker colors to keep the animals from seeing the arrow coming at them.
LOL :chuckle:
My arrows are so fast that the last buck I shot took 3 steps before the luminock caught up.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on February 10, 2012, 06:09:38 PM