Post by: Maverick on February 06, 2012, 10:23:23 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 06, 2012, 10:59:11 AM
Post by: Miles on February 06, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
Would be nice to know what APRs are..... Not everybody is into the Alphabet Soup diet. :rolleyes:
Antler Point Restrictions
Post by: Maverick on February 06, 2012, 12:25:18 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on February 06, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 06, 2012, 01:22:16 PM
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 06, 2012, 01:30:03 PM
Post by: Special T on February 06, 2012, 02:15:47 PM
APR's are an easy way to organise deer to harvest but does not doo a good job of acomplishing goals.
1 what is the goal?
2 what will it look like when we accomplish the goal
3 what limitations on harvest provide the best harvest methods for enforcement AND effect it has on the herd.
Post by: buckfvr on February 06, 2012, 02:51:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
I would rather have "any buck" seasons and limit the number of hunters in some way, probably by permit only hunting. I think management of the state's deer would be much better if the harvest was controlled according to what each Game Management Unit could handle. The way it is done now is not "management," it's just basically a free for all, the WDFW doesn't know how many hunters are going to hunt in each GMU each season and they don't know how many deer are going to be killed. I also don't agree with spike only elk hunting. I think if it's to the point that APR's are being used or considered, then you're to the point of needing controlled hunting by permit only, which is what many states have gone to, but for some reason Washington state feels our deer are different and can handle general seasons and over the counter tags (for EVERYONE, including Non-Residents).
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 06, 2012, 03:29:29 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 06, 2012, 04:59:42 PM
I voted no.:yeah: Agree with bobcat 100%!
I would rather have "any buck" seasons and limit the number of hunters in some way, probably by permit only hunting. I think management of the state's deer would be much better if the harvest was controlled according to what each Game Management Unit could handle. The way it is done now is not "management," it's just basically a free for all, the WDFW doesn't know how many hunters are going to hunt in each GMU each season and they don't know how many deer are going to be killed. I also don't agree with spike only elk hunting. I think if it's to the point that APR's are being used or considered, then you're to the point of needing controlled hunting by permit only, which is what many states have gone to, but for some reason Washington state feels our deer are different and can handle general seasons and over the counter tags (for EVERYONE, including Non-Residents).
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 06, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
I'd use a draw only in open units like the wheat country, where buck doe/ratios were out of whack. Maybe combined with a spike or 4 point or better rule the first couple years, but really reduce the amount of hunters after bucks until balance was restored. Once you get some older bucks. Still tightly monitor the number of hunters, but let them shoot any buck. That way the pressure isn't all on one age group or antler size. In those units, instead of a second deer tag draw, You could have a doe draw for hunters that don't draw a buck tag.
If you want to use APR's I'd have a fairly long early season that was spike/fork for guys who want opportunity or meat, then the late hunt would be much shorter for 5 point or better. 4pt + eyeguards. If this hunt was post rut, your mature bucks would be around for breeding and your three and 4 pointers would have another year to mature. Then I'd make hunters choose the first or second hunt. You get one or the other. This reduces pressure and still gives opportunity. I'd adjust the length of the second hunt according to my buck doe ratio. And throw in some doe draws as necessary to keep the herd balanced and within good habitat range.
Post by: colockumelk on February 06, 2012, 07:24:57 PM
I voted no.
I would rather have "any buck" seasons and limit the number of hunters in some way, probably by permit only hunting. I think management of the state's deer would be much better if the harvest was controlled according to what each Game Management Unit could handle. The way it is done now is not "management," it's just basically a free for all, the WDFW doesn't know how many hunters are going to hunt in each GMU each season and they don't know how many deer are going to be killed. I also don't agree with spike only elk hunting. I think if it's to the point that APR's are being used or considered, then you're to the point of needing controlled hunting by permit only, which is what many states have gone to, but for some reason Washington state feels our deer are different and can handle general seasons and over the counter tags (for EVERYONE, including Non-Residents).
:yeah:
Spot on Bobcat. I would love a management tailored towards each GMU.
Post by: huntnnw on February 06, 2012, 09:36:59 PM