Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 20, 2012, 11:20:39 AM
F&W is launching an investigation and it sounds like they have some solid leads and will be pursuing the guys responsible. There are also vet bills for the injured dog.
Post by: Humptulips on February 20, 2012, 08:20:05 PM
On another note must be a bunch of morons up there if you can't open a foot trap.
Also it is highly unlikely a dog would be injured in a foot trap of a size anyone that knows anything about trapping would use.
Probably a nearby landowner or a kid and it is likely they only had a trap or two to set.
Post by: ICEMAN on February 21, 2012, 06:04:49 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 21, 2012, 07:18:00 AM
F&W did a quick look but, obviously they aren't going to check the area over very closely.
The people out training were a couple of older ladies so, I assume they probably didn't know exactly what to do with the trap. I hear it did take Duvall fire a while to get the trap opened. They say it looked modified or, homemade. It was three leg clamps welded together from how Kraig, our biologist described it to me.
The dogs leg was damaged by the trap and required emergency vet care. Sounds like it did some damage. It was said there was risk of losing the leg. The traps were described as having jaws with an opening of roughly 20" each. I've got old coyote traps from the farm and those weren't much bigger than a grapefruit so, not sure what was out there. I'm hoping to get a peek at the trap at some point. Chandler has them right now.
Post by: boneaddict on February 21, 2012, 07:34:50 AM
Post by: rasbo on February 21, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
Post by: Hunter Dug on February 21, 2012, 07:46:12 AM
Post by: quadrafire on February 21, 2012, 08:16:26 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 21, 2012, 08:28:54 AM
This is a public hunting area. Maybe someone doesn't like the hunters shooting pheasants and ducks?
I'm only relaying what I was told by Kraig who is the Biologist for the Snoqualmie/Snohomish River Drainage / F&W managed areas. (and an email forwarded from a lady who was there dog training when it happeded warning folks not to use Cherry Valley)
Post by: Special T on February 21, 2012, 08:33:03 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 21, 2012, 08:56:00 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 21, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
I'm just wondering, if they're setting for beaver, wouldn't the traps likely be under a couple inches of water and difficult to see?
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2012, 10:11:24 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 21, 2012, 10:16:12 AM
Paul-check your email.
didn't see anything.. try this..
pwinfieldgilmore@yahoo.com
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 21, 2012, 12:07:20 PM
Paul-check your email.
Thanks- now I see why someone had a hard time describing it....
Post by: Humptulips on February 21, 2012, 04:24:02 PM
Sure would like to see a picture of it.
Post by: bugs n bones on February 21, 2012, 04:59:27 PM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 21, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
Post by: Machias on February 21, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
Post by: rasbo on February 21, 2012, 10:33:47 PM
Post by: Machias on February 21, 2012, 10:45:36 PM
Post by: rasbo on February 21, 2012, 11:33:43 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 22, 2012, 12:28:28 AM
Post by: Hannibal on February 22, 2012, 07:38:57 AM
Post by: runamuk on February 22, 2012, 07:43:54 AM
dog should have been on a leash,,,,,,,,,,its tough to hunt from on leash :dunno: this area is a known hunt training area always has been like since I was a kid in the 70's it has always been a release site as well
sure hope the dogs ok and I would guess anti hunting anti animal owner type person...or a neighbor who hates the hunting use :dunno:
Post by: rasbo on February 22, 2012, 07:50:40 AM
dog should have been on a leash,,,,,,,,,,x2
Post by: Humptulips on February 22, 2012, 07:51:55 AM
I do think trappers need to push laws that keep us from being tempted to make sets that are dangerous to dogs. I hope you understand that the trap in question is not a bad trap. It was just set in the wrong place and would have been illegal many years ago just by the nature of being set on private property without permission.
Post by: Humptulips on February 22, 2012, 08:01:47 AM
dog should have been on a leash,,,,,,,,,,
sure hope the dogs ok and I would guess anti hunting anti animal owner type person...or a neighbor who hates the hunting use :dunno:
As much as we would like to blame the antis for everything in this case I would think not. Sounds like a beaver set to me. Maybe a neighbor with beaver problems or maybe someone just tempted to break the law.
So you sound like you know the area. Is this area open to the public? Could it be public land?
Really sounds like someone made a bad decision.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 22, 2012, 08:09:46 AM
sounds like a bear trap:chuckle: :chuckle: Yeah me too !!!! :yike:
Post by: rasbo on February 22, 2012, 08:15:44 AM
Post by: Machias on February 22, 2012, 08:31:00 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 22, 2012, 08:37:58 AM
Post by: runamuk on February 22, 2012, 08:38:35 AM
If its where I think it is its the cherry valley pheasant release site where ducks are hunted upland bird dogs are trained year round and trials are held......big ol hunk of farmland thats been in this type of use all 43 years of my life :dunno: to claim to not know dogs are run there would be foolish...dog should have been on a leash,,,,,,,,,,
sure hope the dogs ok and I would guess anti hunting anti animal owner type person...or a neighbor who hates the hunting use :dunno:
As much as we would like to blame the antis for everything in this case I would think not. Sounds like a beaver set to me. Maybe a neighbor with beaver problems or maybe someone just tempted to break the law.
So you sound like you know the area. Is this area open to the public? Could it be public land?
Really sounds like someone made a bad decision.
I was thinking anti's because the description was of some weird home made trap, plus I grew up out there it used to be hippies, dairy farmers, and outlaws....many of the old hippies and outlaws are still there even though the place now looks like microsoft housing :dunno:
Post by: CP on February 22, 2012, 08:40:37 AM
dog should have been on a leash,,,,,,,,,,x2
Anyone that would set a trap in a dog training area should be on a leash, with one end around their neck and the other tied to a high branch.
Post by: Machias on February 22, 2012, 08:48:44 AM
did we ever actually figure out that this trap was a 660 conibar? Or was it some kind of home made job??? The dog is lucky to have only caught his leg...
I seen a photo of it, it's a 660. It's not a homemade job.
Post by: runamuk on February 22, 2012, 09:04:03 AM
Last week there was a group of folks dog training at Cherry Valley. A dog got caught in an illegal leg clamp trap. Took Duvall Fire Dept. to show up to free the dog. Fish and Wildlife got the trap. We're trying to organize a group to go search for more to make sure no more dogs are caught. Anyone have any tips on the best way to spot locations for the traps? Would a metal detector work?
F&W is launching an investigation and it sounds like they have some solid leads and will be pursuing the guys responsible. There are also vet bills for the injured dog.
this is an acceptable use of this location so no dogs didnt need to be on leash the land is meant for off leash training and hunting.......another divide in dog ownership and hunting..... bird dogs and bird dog trials....
:yeah:dog should have been on a leash,,,,,,,,,,x2
Anyone that would set a trap in a dog training area should be on a leash, with one end around their neck and the other tied to a high branch.
Post by: Machias on February 22, 2012, 09:06:38 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 22, 2012, 09:44:07 AM
dog should have been on a leash,,,,,,,,,,x2
It was the backyard of the lake they live on...not a public park or anything. I don't think you guys would say in your back yard you should keep your own dog on a leash? come-on.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 22, 2012, 09:47:25 AM
Is the Conibear trap a legal trap to use?
Post by: runamuk on February 22, 2012, 09:47:57 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 22, 2012, 10:09:29 AM
I revoke anything I said when he said cherry valley and dog training and fish and wildlife I made the wrong assumption they were in the cherry valley release area training dogs....if on one of the lakes I have no idea...might be a neighborly dispute...
leash comment was about the lake I believe. The lake, where the dog died was a trap set by the feds for nutria on the lake bank. The people lived on the lake. They weren't visiting or at a park or somewhere where a leash would be required.
Cherry valley obviously is a dog training, pheasant release, bird watching, public trail walking area. It is intended for off leash recreation.
Post by: Machias on February 22, 2012, 10:14:18 AM
Is the Conibear trap a legal trap to use?
Only with a permit. I use them all the time on private property (with the owners permission) after I apply for a special permit. But even with a permit they must be set completely underwater.
Post by: Sno-King on February 22, 2012, 07:16:23 PM
Did you get my pm? sent this morning.
Bill
Post by: Humptulips on February 22, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
Bruce,
Did you get my pm? sent this morning.
Bill
No I did not.
Post by: Hannibal on February 22, 2012, 11:57:56 PM
I was referring to the Oregon wacos,,,,,,,,
BUT!!!!,,,,,,,,you anti *censored*s want to jump on a fellow sportsman,,,,,,,,,,
You as non trappers don't5 have a clew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Must be puppy love,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Post by: NWBREW on February 23, 2012, 12:27:30 AM
you guys are as wacted as any anti>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was referring to the Oregon wacos,,,,,,,,
BUT!!!!,,,,,,,,you anti *censored*s want to jump on a fellow sportsman,,,,,,,,,,
You as non trappers don't5 have a clew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Must be puppy love,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
:dunno: Did I miss something here. I don't believe I read anything here to provoke a response like that. Problems? :hello:
Post by: ICEMAN on February 23, 2012, 04:01:39 AM
Hannibal, keep it civil.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 23, 2012, 05:04:58 AM
Post by: rasbo on February 23, 2012, 05:24:41 AM
would that be clew or clue?I think Hannibal might have had a shot of whiskey :chuckle:,after a long wet cold day of trapping.I know he deals with very many attitudes and regulations daily, I would assume, as much as he traps....he is a great guy with a ton of knowledge and not afraid to share it with folks..But also a man who has watched trapping slowly lose ground to greenies and hunters,just as the houndsmen did..Outdoorsmen splitting,bad juju...Between Dave,George and Bruce,These guys have been a great asset to me,In the few times I get to speak or meet with them......On the lighter side,he will wake this morning and realize the long sleep did nothing for his looks. :chuckle: :chuckle: myth busted :chuckle:
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 23, 2012, 09:23:16 AM
you guys are as wacted as any anti>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was referring to the Oregon wacos,,,,,,,,
BUT!!!!,,,,,,,,you anti *censored*s want to jump on a fellow sportsman,,,,,,,,,,
You as non trappers don't5 have a clew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Must be puppy love,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
What the hell are you talking about. Something tells me you didn't read a single page of the discussion here...
Post by: Backstraps on February 23, 2012, 01:58:19 PM
Post by: Hannibal on February 23, 2012, 04:58:26 PM
Backstraps!!!!!!! Spelling police SUCK!@!!
Post by: Backstraps on February 23, 2012, 05:48:40 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 23, 2012, 07:10:13 PM
Bring up the crap that is going on in Oregon is a personal attack o commercial trappers,,,,,,,,, it also raise the exposure ad helps the antis course,,,,,
Backstraps!!!!!!! Spelling police SUCK!@!!
Let me know what the Oregon issue has to do with commercial trapping and I'll kiss every trap you put down... I'm all for trapping. Not sure if you read the article on what happened in Oregon. I'm guessing you didn't because it did NOT involve an Oregon trapper. Or, a commercial trapper for that matter.
Go blasting away that people are tree huggers, anti trapping whatever. Quite the opposite. I'll refrain from responding in a similar manner as you did because I have some respect for folks I don't know and don't know what or where they do it.
The folks' dog in Oregon was basically in their own backyard and was killed by a trap set by Federal Wildlife agents. Not commercial trappers. So, where you are coming off blasting comments about people putting commercial trappers down, I have no idea.
I came here asking what the best way to go about looking for illegal traps placed in an area which is ILLEGAL to trap using ILLEGAL traps....
Are you not a LEGAL trapper who uses LEGAL traps? I think we here at Hunt-WA pride ourselves on doing what is right, following the laws and supporting each other when issues come about. I don't know anyone who posts here who supports ILLEGAL hunting or trapping of any kind except, your posts seem to put you in that favor and are calling guys like me, who follow the rules, hunt legally, support wildlife, am active in the community to help restore and protect hunting rights, help keep areas like Cherry Valley open for hunting, improve habitat and make it a better experience for anyone who takes kids and friends out to hunt.
You're so far off base on your two posts it pisses me off.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 23, 2012, 07:15:37 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2012, 07:52:50 PM
Bring up the crap that is going on in Oregon is a personal attack o commercial trappers,,,,,,,,, it also raise the exposure ad helps the antis course,,,,,
Backstraps!!!!!!! Spelling police SUCK!@!!
Man...nobody is bagging on any legal trapping operations. Nobody is attacking commercial trappers. This thread, like Happy said, was started regarding a very public, very popular dog training/hunting/birding/etc area that lots of people here in town use for lots of outdoor activities with dogs, kids, families, etc. My 4 tear old kid and I were there just a short time ago. It's really eff'ing great feeling that I can not let her out of my sight there now for fear of her getting caught in some dipchit's illegal trap. She's probably half the size of the dog that got caught. Luckily she won't be playing in any beaver ponds there anytime soon. This trap was set a long way from any private ground, so there was no honest mistakes with this setbeing where it was.
Some people need to relax...nobody is out to get anybody but the illegal trapper with threads like this.
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2012, 07:58:27 PM
dog should have been on a leash,,,,,,,,,,
sure hope the dogs ok and I would guess anti hunting anti animal owner type person...or a neighbor who hates the hunting use :dunno:
As much as we would like to blame the antis for everything in this case I would think not. Sounds like a beaver set to me. Maybe a neighbor with beaver problems or maybe someone just tempted to break the law.
So you sound like you know the area. Is this area open to the public? Could it be public land?
Really sounds like someone made a bad decision.
Nearest neigbors are 1/4 mile away +. Lots of public land/cattle pastures/water between the bird tower and any houses/farms.
Post by: dayn on February 23, 2012, 11:22:52 PM
would that be clew or clue?I think Hannibal might have had a shot of whiskey :chuckle:,after a long wet cold day of trapping.I know he deals with very many attitudes and regulations daily, I would assume, as much as he traps....he is a great guy with a ton of knowledge and not afraid to share it with folks..But also a man who has watched trapping slowly lose ground to greenies and hunters,just as the houndsmen did..Outdoorsmen splitting,bad juju...Between Dave,George and Bruce,These guys have been a great asset to me,In the few times I get to speak or meet with them......On the lighter side,he will wake this morning and realize the long sleep did nothing for his looks. :chuckle: :chuckle: myth busted :chuckle:
What Rasbo said.....Vinke is a solid member of the trapping fraternity and community, not only here in washington but nationwide(ask anyone on trapperman.com), , maybe he let loose a few colorfull metaphors...Hell Ive done it myself a few times on discussion boards (And been spanked)
The emotions run high because mis information in the media leads to the loss of rights for all of us, whether it be trapping, guns or hunting or fishing rights.
And yes...The antis (Trapping, hunting, gold mining, fishing, I could go on and on) people google and mine this stuff, as sportsman we gotta watch each others back
Daves a good guy, he would give you the shirt off his back.....
It might smell like skunk, but dont you dare refuse it.... :chuckle:
Keep being you Dave!
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 23, 2012, 11:46:24 PM
]would that be clew or clue?I think Hannibal might have had a shot of whiskey :chuckle:,after a long wet cold day of trapping.I know he deals with very many attitudes and regulations daily, I would assume, as much as he traps....he is a great guy with a ton of knowledge and not afraid to share it with folks..But also a man who has watched trapping slowly lose ground to greenies and hunters,just as the houndsmen did..Outdoorsmen splitting,bad juju...Between Dave,George and Bruce,These guys have been a great asset to me,In the few times I get to speak or meet with them......On the lighter side,he will wake this morning and realize the long sleep did nothing for his looks. :chuckle: :chuckle: myth busted :chuckle:
What Rasbo said.....Vinke is a solid member of the trapping fraternity and community, not only here in washington but nationwide(ask anyone on trapperman.com), , maybe he let loose a few colorfull metaphors...Hell Ive done it myself a few times on discussion boards (And been spanked)
The emotions run high because mis information in the media leads to the loss of rights for all of us, whether it be trapping, guns or hunting or fishing rights.
And yes...The antis (Trapping, hunting, gold mining, fishing, I could go on and on) people google and mine this stuff, as sportsman we gotta watch each others back
Daves a good guy, he would give you the shirt off his back.....
It might smell like skunk, but dont you dare refuse it.... :chuckle:
Keep being you Dave!
I would have hoped Dave would have responded by now... The media didn't even play this story nor, did it have anything to do with his post. The media was unbiased on their reporting... just that a dog was killed by a trap which was set by FEDERAL AGENTS, NOT COMMERCIAL TRAPPERS OR SPORTSMAN.....
The trap I posted about was an illegal trap. It was also not set in a place which is LEGAL to trap.
Why is posting about ATTEMPTED POACHING a bad thing? Everyone on Hunt-Wa gets all excited about reports of people poaching or trying to poach. What seems to be more of an issue to me is that, when someone has a trap set, attempting to POACH, it seems like it is sort of, "OK"..... Is it?
Post by: dayn on February 24, 2012, 12:16:25 AM
I was basically generalizing the reasons why Dave may have got upset, by all means if someone is trapping illegally it needs to be reported to the authorities, would prefer it doesnt go to the media, but, that is sometimes hard to control.
Post by: dayn on February 24, 2012, 12:17:54 AM
No its cool Bro, I dont think there is a bad man in this post, it just got carried away.
I was basically generalizing the reasons why Dave may have got upset, by all means if someone is trapping illegally it needs to be reported to the authorities, would prefer it doesnt go to the media, but, that is sometimes hard to control.
Meant to say in this thread or whatever they call it...
Post by: runamuk on February 24, 2012, 08:07:44 AM
Bring up the crap that is going on in Oregon is a personal attack o commercial trappers,,,,,,,,, it also raise the exposure ad helps the antis course,,,,,
Backstraps!!!!!!! Spelling police SUCK!@!!
Man...nobody is bagging on any legal trapping operations. Nobody is attacking commercial trappers. This thread, like Happy said, was started regarding a very public, very popular dog training/hunting/birding/etc area that lots of people here in town use for lots of outdoor activities with dogs, kids, families, etc. My 4 tear old kid and I were there just a short time ago. It's really eff'ing great feeling that I can not let her out of my sight there now for fear of her getting caught in some dipchit's illegal trap. She's probably half the size of the dog that got caught. Luckily she won't be playing in any beaver ponds there anytime soon. This trap was set a long way from any private ground, so there was no honest mistakes with this setbeing where it was.
Some people need to relax...nobody is out to get anybody but the illegal trapper with threads like this.
I am freaking lost...so were the traps happy posted about illegally placed at the release site? or were they at some lake in the duvall area? or do we actually have 2 separate incidents somehow screwed together?....because if at the release site that is scary lots of people use it due to its easy access to be real honest its a bad idea not because trapping is bad but due to the high use by people and dogs.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2012, 08:10:57 AM
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 24, 2012, 08:20:31 AM
Sounds more like someone protecting a grow. I'd be more concerned about other boobie traps. 20 inches is HUGE
A outdoor grow in Feb. were do they plug in the lights?
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 24, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
Didn't read the whole boneaddict link.... my gal thinks 6 inches is huge. 20 inches would kill a horse!Sounds more like someone protecting a grow. I'd be more concerned about other boobie traps. 20 inches is HUGE
A outdoor grow in Feb. were do they plug in the lights?
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 24, 2012, 08:44:20 AM
Bring up the crap that is going on in Oregon is a personal attack o commercial trappers,,,,,,,,, it also raise the exposure ad helps the antis course,,,,,
Backstraps!!!!!!! Spelling police SUCK!@!!
Man...nobody is bagging on any legal trapping operations. Nobody is attacking commercial trappers. This thread, like Happy said, was started regarding a very public, very popular dog training/hunting/birding/etc area that lots of people here in town use for lots of outdoor activities with dogs, kids, families, etc. My 4 tear old kid and I were there just a short time ago. It's really eff'ing great feeling that I can not let her out of my sight there now for fear of her getting caught in some dipchit's illegal trap. She's probably half the size of the dog that got caught. Luckily she won't be playing in any beaver ponds there anytime soon. This trap was set a long way from any private ground, so there was no honest mistakes with this setbeing where it was.
Some people need to relax...nobody is out to get anybody but the illegal trapper with threads like this.
I am freaking lost...so were the traps happy posted about illegally placed at the release site? or were they at some lake in the duvall area? or do we actually have 2 separate incidents somehow screwed together?....because if at the release site that is scary lots of people use it due to its easy access to be real honest its a bad idea not because trapping is bad but due to the high use by people and dogs.
A dog was caught in a trap at Cherry Valley Public Area. The trap was illegal and it is NOT legal to trap in Cherry Valley Public Area. The illegal trap which caught the dog was in a ditch near the birding tower which is part of the Cherry Valley area.
I mentioned a separate case where someone's dog in Oregon was caught in a trap basically in their backyard. The dog died. The trap was set by Federal Agents and was intended for nutria. (big rats, real big)
Post by: runamuk on February 24, 2012, 08:48:59 AM
Post by: fast60eddie on February 24, 2012, 02:56:31 PM
Bring up the crap that is going on in Oregon is a personal attack o commercial trappers,,,,,,,,, it also raise the exposure ad helps the antis course,,,,,
Backstraps!!!!!!! Spelling police SUCK!@!!
Man...nobody is bagging on any legal trapping operations. Nobody is attacking commercial trappers. This thread, like Happy said, was started regarding a very public, very popular dog training/hunting/birding/etc area that lots of people here in town use for lots of outdoor activities with dogs, kids, families, etc. My 4 tear old kid and I were there just a short time ago. It's really eff'ing great feeling that I can not let her out of my sight there now for fear of her getting caught in some dipchit's illegal trap. She's probably half the size of the dog that got caught. Luckily she won't be playing in any beaver ponds there anytime soon. This trap was set a long way from any private ground, so there was no honest mistakes with this setbeing where it was.
Some people need to relax...nobody is out to get anybody but the illegal trapper with threads like this.
I am freaking lost...so were the traps happy posted about illegally placed at the release site? or were they at some lake in the duvall area? or do we actually have 2 separate incidents somehow screwed together?....because if at the release site that is scary lots of people use it due to its easy access to be real honest its a bad idea not because trapping is bad but due to the high use by people and dogs.
A dog was caught in a trap at Cherry Valley Public Area. The trap was illegal and it is NOT legal to trap in Cherry Valley Public Area. The illegal trap which caught the dog was in a ditch near the birding tower which is part of the Cherry Valley area.
I mentioned a separate case where someone's dog in Oregon was caught in a trap basically in their backyard. The dog died. The trap was set by Federal Agents and was intended for nutria. (big rats, real big)
and it is NOT legal to trap in Cherry Valley Public Area. Is this really true?
Post by: Caseyd on February 24, 2012, 03:01:49 PM
Didn't read the whole boneaddict link.... my gal thinks 6 inches is huge. 20 inches would kill a horse!Sounds more like someone protecting a grow. I'd be more concerned about other boobie traps. 20 inches is HUGE
A outdoor grow in Feb. were do they plug in the lights?
:chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on February 24, 2012, 03:14:56 PM
actually the average equine is 22 inches but hey whos measuring right :dunno:Didn't read the whole boneaddict link.... my gal thinks 6 inches is huge. 20 inches would kill a horse!Sounds more like someone protecting a grow. I'd be more concerned about other boobie traps. 20 inches is HUGE
A outdoor grow in Feb. were do they plug in the lights?
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 24, 2012, 04:58:30 PM
and it is NOT legal to trap in Cherry Valley Public Area. Is this really true?
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Actually, I may have mis-worded that... It may indeed be legal to trap in Cherry Valley. I don't know yes or no to that. If I was a trapper there is no way I'd put one out there. When we're out training dogs we get interupted by folks who don't like us shooting birds and hunters there have experienced the same problem. I wouldn't want to leave a trap out there for fear someone not down with trapping would vandalize or steal it. Too much traffic out there.... Obviously, the style of trap used was not legal.
Post by: dayn on February 24, 2012, 05:37:55 PM
thanks Lope and Happy that was what I thought then there was talk of private land and a lake ...and I know what nutria are saw one in the capitol forest and didnt think to jump out and shoot it until it was in the brush
Up in the forest? Sure that wasnt a mountain Beaver?
Post by: rasbo on February 24, 2012, 05:43:33 PM
x2thanks Lope and Happy that was what I thought then there was talk of private land and a lake ...and I know what nutria are saw one in the capitol forest and didnt think to jump out and shoot it until it was in the brush
Up in the forest? Sure that wasnt a mountain Beaver?
Post by: dmr400 on February 27, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2012, 08:07:20 PM
Post by: dmr400 on February 27, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Post by: Humptulips on February 27, 2012, 11:28:32 PM
I've been told, and it's been mentioned in ths thread I think, that conibears are legal with a permit and if underwater and if on private ground. Is the private ground part not true? This is very public, very popular, very well used land.
If it is public property a special permit for a body gripping trap can only be issued if it is for public health and safety or to conserve threatened and endangered species.
Also padded jaw foot traps and leg snares can be authorized for studies but that does not apply here.
I doubt any of that applies or WDFW would know who was trapping there which apparently they do not.
Conibears are only legal on private property with a special permit and underwater.
Also I don't believe that trap would have been legal in WA prior to 2000 when I-713 passed and HSUS basically rewrote the law. Of course those traps weren't around at that time so I'm not 100% sure on that.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 28, 2012, 12:46:20 AM
Not defending any poor choices the trapper may have made as to location, but I'm curious about something. It's been stated several times in this thread that the style of trap is illegal. Where did that information come from? Conibear traps are legal in this state, provided a permit has been granted by WDFW and they are placed underwater. Perhaps Happy Gilmore could respond? Not calling anyone out, but hate to see misinformation spread.
Officer Chandler and Area Biologist Manager stated that the trap was illegal.
Post by: dirty24d on March 01, 2012, 08:00:06 PM
Most of the valley lands in and around duvall area and cherry valley get superflooded annually. Wasnt cherry valley just completely submerged like a week or two ago?? Is it possible either the trap was placed while the water was still high and the person forgot to pick it up? Or and heres the stretch was it tethered to anything? If not is it possible it washed from one spot to where it ended up?
Just a few thoughts....
Post by: Special T on March 01, 2012, 08:02:53 PM
Post by: dirty24d on March 01, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
It does get flooded every year. HOWEVER it is not legal or smart to use this style trap on this piece of public land. Since it is very well marked, and anyone who is familiar with it would know it is a duck hunting area in the season and a training area in the off season. :twocents:
I 100 % agree. The place overflows with pheasant hunters and dogs every season. And there are always people there year round training and just walking dogs. Ive trekked all over the whole place jump shooting birds etc its kinda scary to think i could stepped in that. It never once crossed my mind that there would be body gripping traps there.
Post by: fast60eddie on March 01, 2012, 08:17:50 PM
Last week there was a group of folks dog training at Cherry Valley. A dog got caught in an illegal leg clamp trap. Took Duvall Fire Dept. to show up to free the dog. Fish and Wildlife got the trap. We're trying to organize a group to go search for more to make sure no more dogs are caught. Anyone have any tips on the best way to spot locations for the traps? Would a metal detector work?I take it nobody thought to snap a picture of the set. I would like see what someone was doing?
F&W is launching an investigation and it sounds like they have some solid leads and will be pursuing the guys responsible. There are also vet bills for the injured dog.
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2012, 08:22:46 PM
Jackelope since u are very familiar with the spot referenced for where the trap was found maybe you can put this to rest and it's a stretch.....
Most of the valley lands in and around duvall area and cherry valley get superflooded annually. Wasnt cherry valley just completely submerged like a week or two ago?? Is it possible either the trap was placed while the water was still high and the person forgot to pick it up? Or and heres the stretch was it tethered to anything? If not is it possible it washed from one spot to where it ended up?
Just a few thoughts....
The trap was found mid February. Before any recent floods. I don't think it would wash up from anywhere. It's a big steel trap and there is zero current there. I was wondering if it was a very old trap that somehow coincidentally the dog got stuck in...maybe it's been there a really long time....dunno...
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I take it nobody thought to snap a picture of the set. I would like see what someone was doing?
2 old ladies panicking about their dog and a couple firefighters struggling to get a trap opened and get the dog out... I suspect nobody even knew where the set was by the time anybody got there that would have thought to take a pic. Again, dunno for sure...
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 05, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
The trap was "modified" by someone as well which is why it required help getting it un-done. Something to the effect it was two traps welded together to form a single stronger trap. They were surprised that the dogs' leg was not more severely injured. I imagine that whoever set the trap, if trapping legally in another area will give themselves away because of the unique modification done to the trap..(that is just my investigative mind working)
With 100% certainty, the trap was illegal and the person who set the trap did not have a permit to use it. The trap was also set in a manner which did not follow legal trapping rules even if a permit was obtained.
Just to clarify what I was told.
Post by: Humptulips on March 05, 2012, 10:33:09 PM
They also sell kits to do the same thing.
Nothing unique about the trap.
Post by: bear hunter on March 05, 2012, 11:58:49 PM
Post by: rasbo on March 06, 2012, 03:33:20 AM
:sry:That sucks. I hope they catch the person. I'm sure there is more traps in the area. I was told by a buddy back in the day. You had to post warning sign in the area that you had traps sets. Is this true,and with a permit do you have to post a sign or something?its recommended,but not a law
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 06, 2012, 11:28:07 AM
All of these traps are modified. That is how they make them at the supplier. There is no factory turning them out. They take a 330, cut it in half slip a hollow tube over the cut ends of the jaws and weld.
They also sell kits to do the same thing.
Nothing unique about the trap.
I was just passing along that the Officers said the trap was modified.