Post by: shanevg on February 22, 2012, 03:52:20 PM
Post by: norsepeak on February 22, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 22, 2012, 04:24:20 PM
Post by: NoBark on February 22, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Post by: 3nails on February 22, 2012, 05:52:29 PM
Apparently the governor goat tag holder is a manner of Hunt-WA. I would be more than happy to help you out with the hunt an with spotting goats. Send me a PM if interested. It's always good to have a pair of eyes helping you scout!I already offered him my help as well! :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 22, 2012, 05:59:03 PM
I am sure he will appreciate all the offers :dunno:
Post by: shanevg on February 22, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
already working on that shane!.
Yeah, but I'll help out for free! :)
Post by: shanevg on February 22, 2012, 06:16:23 PM
I do have a dedicated governors tag savings account that is growing. It's going to be me with the tag some time soon!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 22, 2012, 06:43:35 PM
I'll help any other tag holder as much as possible as long as none of my hunting buddies myself aren't holding the same tag.i wish the best for you man .... I would love to shoot a goat but it is not at the top of my list...... Obviously you know where the goats are :yeah: how did you find out he was on HW ?
I do have a dedicated governors tag savings account that is growing. It's going to be me with the tag some time soon!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 22, 2012, 07:02:51 PM
Post by: NWWA Hunter on February 23, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Post by: shanevg on February 23, 2012, 09:47:02 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 23, 2012, 10:00:52 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 23, 2012, 10:05:56 PM
Post by: 50CalJim on February 23, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
One thing I know is he's gonna have a blast!I sure hope he knows the difference between a Nanny & a Billy. 8) :chuckle:
Post by: Shannon on February 24, 2012, 07:23:36 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 24, 2012, 07:31:41 AM
Post by: shanevg on February 24, 2012, 08:13:46 AM
One thing I know is he's gonna have a blast!I sure hope he knows the difference between a Nanny & a Billy. 8) :chuckle:
Yeah. A lot of guys really need to get educated before they go goat hunting for the first time. That's why this guy needs to get in touch with me. I have a bunch of PowerPoint presentations that can go along with the WDFW VHs that tag holders receive to really quiz your knowledge. :chuckle:
Post by: The100Road on February 24, 2012, 09:10:31 AM
Congrats to him. Hope we hear the storys.
Post by: blacktailer on February 24, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
Post by: bucklucky on February 25, 2012, 07:48:49 AM
Post by: 3nails on February 25, 2012, 08:01:22 AM
Post by: The100Road on February 25, 2012, 10:21:15 AM
I think he should just "out" himself and start a thread of the whole experience up to the kill. No way i'm "outing" him though.
:yeah:
Post by: briancorneal on February 25, 2012, 10:46:21 AM
Post by: shanevg on February 25, 2012, 10:47:12 AM
I think he should just "out" himself and start a thread of the whole experience up to the kill. No way i'm "outing" him though.
I second that motion. :chuckle:
Post by: shanevg on February 25, 2012, 10:47:51 AM
How much is a "governors" tag?
It's an auction tag, so it all depends on the bidder. Historically it has ranged from $6500 to $13000. I think this year it went for $10k.
Post by: Bearhunter on February 25, 2012, 02:50:08 PM
Post by: buglebuster on February 25, 2012, 02:52:44 PM
I heard it went for $5000 this year...$5000 would be a steal for that tag!!!!
Post by: billythekidrock on February 25, 2012, 03:00:07 PM
One thing I know is he's gonna have a blast!I sure hope he knows the difference between a Nanny & a Billy. 8) :chuckle:
Do you think he cares? lol Bet it gets mounted either way. :IBCOOL:
Post by: Special T on February 25, 2012, 03:06:56 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 25, 2012, 03:50:34 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 25, 2012, 04:23:37 PM
I start out at about 13 grand !!! ;)
Post by: 3nails on February 25, 2012, 04:26:05 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2012, 04:30:18 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 25, 2012, 04:47:19 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
Post by: shanevg on February 25, 2012, 05:23:40 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 25, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
Post by: bucklucky on February 25, 2012, 10:32:53 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 25, 2012, 10:58:04 PM
So actually I bought the tag for $10,500 . Cant wait for the hunt to start!!Gona wait till December 26th to start hunting as thats when they have the longest hair :chuckle:
You little...lucky puke!
Two quality bull tags in a couple of years and now this? You must be overcharging!
Post by: blacktailer on February 25, 2012, 11:03:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 25, 2012, 11:08:01 PM
What can I say.
Post by: Special T on February 25, 2012, 11:19:12 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on February 25, 2012, 11:37:52 PM
Don't forget the hound permit he stole from me...So actually I bought the tag for $10,500 . Cant wait for the hunt to start!!Gona wait till December 26th to start hunting as thats when they have the longest hair :chuckle:
You little...lucky puke!
Two quality bull tags in a couple of years and now this? You must be overcharging!
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2012, 11:43:26 PM
So actually I bought the tag for $10,500 . Cant wait for the hunt to start!!Gona wait till December 26th to start hunting as thats when they have the longest hair :chuckle:
congrats, awesome, I hope you get a state record.... :tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: 50CalJim on February 26, 2012, 12:21:49 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2012, 12:26:23 AM
I hope whomever has it kills a whopper and shares their story and pics. :twocents:
Post by: alecvg on February 26, 2012, 12:26:36 AM
Post by: Caseyd on February 26, 2012, 03:19:18 AM
I love this thread :chuckle::yeah:
Post by: Wea300mag on February 26, 2012, 07:20:58 AM
Post by: Alpinehunter on February 26, 2012, 08:11:41 AM
Post by: 3nails on February 26, 2012, 08:58:48 AM
No got to keep it REAL :tup: The tag was bought for right at 10k end of story. Some of you guys know all the details but the purchase price was still right at 10k :tup:
So actually I bought the tag for $10,500 . Cant wait for the hunt to start!!Gona wait till December 26th to start hunting as thats when they have the longest hair :chuckle:End of story huh! :chuckle:
Post by: gasman on February 26, 2012, 09:09:18 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Congrats to the lucky winner :hello:
Post by: Bearhunter on February 26, 2012, 09:19:51 AM
Gasman, I think thats probably why the guy hasnt come forward and started a thread cause of all the bad stigma that goes with it. I sure he doesnt have thick enough skin and thats why hes hiding behind his puter!!!
Post by: 400out on February 26, 2012, 09:23:50 AM
Geez now theres a newby on here by the name of ALPINEHUNTER stirring the pot, by the looks of his Avatar hes a road hunter like the rest of us... I think huntwa ran off the last guy with Alpine in his log on name. just saying :chuckle::peep: :peep: :peep: :chuckle:
Gasman, I think thats probably why the guy hasnt come forward and started a thread cause of all the bad stigma that goes with it. I sure he doesnt have thick enough skin and thats why hes hiding behind his puter!!!
Post by: boneaddict on February 26, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
and so I can be like B45, I'll agree with myself. :yeah:
Post by: KillBilly on February 26, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
There is something in the water in the Skagit system that makes all those that live there paranoid......
and so I can be like B45, I'll agree with myself. :yeah:
That is just too funny Doug.... I nominate you for Comic of the Month Award for that one. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bearhunter on February 26, 2012, 09:46:23 AM
and so I can be like B45, I'll agree with myself.
Haha :yeah:
Post by: 3nails on February 26, 2012, 09:50:46 AM
There is something in the water in the Skagit system that makes all those that live there paranoid......Thanks Bone, first laugh out loud moment of the weekend. :chuckle: :chuckle:
and so I can be like B45, I'll agree with myself. :yeah:
Post by: The100Road on February 26, 2012, 10:54:17 AM
So actually I bought the tag for $10,500 . Cant wait for the hunt to start!!Gona wait till December 26th to start hunting as thats when they have the longest hair :chuckle:
That is awesome Charlie. Cant wait to hear the 4 day story. :chuckle:
Post by: shanevg on February 26, 2012, 11:28:12 AM
There is something in the water in the Skagit system that makes all those that live there paranoid......
and so I can be like B45, I'll agree with myself. :yeah:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
This thread is hilarious!
It's all this "rich man" stigma when it comes to Governor's tags that keep stories and buyers from posting on this forum. The reality is that with the governor goat tag, it is actually relatively affordable when you compare it to going on a guided goat hunt when you add in transportation costs, tag fees, etc. Plus, all the proceeds go directly to mountain goat conservation in the state. Personally I'd buy a governor goat tag over a guided goat hunt any day!
There certainly isn't any reason for the tag holder to be ashamed of having this tag. Anyone who gives I'm crap can eat their own...
:yeah: ;)
Post by: gasman on February 26, 2012, 12:04:01 PM
There is something in the water in the Skagit system that makes all those that live there paranoid......
and so I can be like B45, I'll agree with myself. :yeah:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
This thread is hilarious!
It's all this "rich man" stigma when it comes to Governor's tags that keep stories and buyers from posting on this forum. The reality is that with the governor goat tag, it is actually relatively affordable when you compare it to going on a guided goat hunt when you add in transportation costs, tag fees, etc. Plus, all the proceeds go directly to mountain goat conservation in the state. Personally I'd buy a governor goat tag over a guided goat hunt any day!
There certainly isn't any reason for the tag holder to be ashamed of having this tag. Anyone who gives I'm crap can eat their own...
:yeah: ;)
Im with you shane :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2012, 12:19:22 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle:
This thread is hilarious!
It's all this "rich man" stigma when it comes to Governor's tags that keep stories and buyers from posting on this forum. The reality is that with the governor goat tag, it is actually relatively affordable when you compare it to going on a guided goat hunt when you add in transportation costs, tag fees, etc. Plus, all the proceeds go directly to mountain goat conservation in the state. Personally I'd buy a governor goat tag over a guided goat hunt any day!
There certainly isn't any reason for the tag holder to be ashamed of having this tag. Anyone who gives I'm crap can eat their own...
:yeah: ;)
You are exactly right, we need to get past this :crap: so people will post their trophy hunting stories and photos. I was thinking of starting another group just for the hunters who want to show off their trophies without getting bashed by the jealous narrow minded ?. Anyone bashes and they are out of the group, that would make for a much more enjoyable environment.
Post by: billythekidrock on February 26, 2012, 12:21:18 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2012, 12:24:52 PM
I agree that is why some don't post, but how do you define bashing? Telling the truth is often considered bashing.
I guess you simply have to trust in someone to make that call or you do it as a group.
Post by: 92xj on February 26, 2012, 12:29:16 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 26, 2012, 12:34:12 PM
If your mother or granny killed their trophy, what would you respond to them if it wasnt a trophy in your eyes? If your honesty would come full out and you would tell them, their trophy sucks, is to small, they shouldnt have shot it, dont even sign up to be apart of the group. It's really not that freaking hard to say nice things.
That is not what I am saying and for the record I am just trying to pose a question.
What if something unethical happened during the hunt and a member decides to "out" the issue? Is it considered bashing to tell the truth?
Post by: 92xj on February 26, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 26, 2012, 12:46:20 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2012, 01:05:15 PM
They hunt their way, you hunt yours, If its within the law keep ethics to yourself. I'm sure your ethics are different than everyone else. Its a trophy photo room. If its in that room dont comment if you feel you are going to 'bash', if its in the general forum, comment all you want.
I firmly disagree. If you feel it is ok(not specifying you, 92xj...just saying) to put down, downplay, belittle, etc a guy's trophy whether it is a 400" bull or a 200" bull, or put down, downplay, belittle, etc a guy's hunt....whether he hiked 10 miles from the road or 10 feet from the road to kill his trophy, then a guy should keep his piehole shut and not comment on it whereever it is posted. As long as the hunter's trophy is aquired via legal, ethical means, then I don't feel it is right for anyone to belittle anyone's trophy or hunt. I hear a lot about these hunts that don't get posted on here. It's a shame they don't post pics and stories because there's some dang cool stuff that would be on here for everyone to see but because of the smack talking thats happened in the past, the guys don't post anything.
I personally am flat amazed that Dan Agnew's bulls end up on here year after year with all the chit talking he sees on here, but I am glad they do because they are incredible animals and that man has done a TON for wildlife conservation across the west. I think we should thank the guy and others like him. That or come up with another way to generate all the money that comes from these auction tags and governors tags. Maybe we should raise the prices on licenses or special permits or something like that...
I know some incredible animals that got killed in Washington last year, and in other states. It's too bad the hunters didn't share the stories but I can't blame them. Hopefully we can get past that crap talk at some point and maybe some of these folks will come back and share. Maybe we'll hear who has this goat tag and maybe we won't.
Post by: boneaddict on February 26, 2012, 01:14:22 PM
I am with Bob though and probably haven't quite matured in regards to people that over exaggerate. I do like to keep it real. Thats probably a character flaw.
There is a lot of hype with these tags. WIth that comes a lot of the negative, but an aweful lot of positive as well.
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2012, 02:15:12 PM
If I had the governor tag I probably wouldn't want to post on here because of those individuals who insist on bashing. A good example of bashing is when the "holier than thou" guys start slamming somebody for having the money to buy a governor tag or for not hunting exactly by the methods they feel are a "Real Hunter's" methods. I would like to see these "holier than thou" guys when they are 80 or if they get some degenerative disease, and then bash them for their "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods. ;)
Sometimes we need to look beyond our own personnal standards and realize that other people may like to do things differently. As long as people are not breaking the law, more power to them.
When I mention a board for "no bashing" I am thinking of a place free from the derogitory and inflammatory comments on this forum by those who cannot see past their own self-rightousness.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Self-righteousness
"Holier-than-thou" redirects here. For other uses, see Holier-than-thou (disambiguation).
Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, a holier-than-thou attitudes[1]) is a feeling of (usually) smug moral superiority[2] derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person.
I will get off my soapbox now, sorry for the rant! :sry:
So, who the heck has the goat tag.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bearhunter on February 26, 2012, 02:46:20 PM
:yeah:
Post by: westside Elkhunter on February 26, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on February 26, 2012, 04:50:48 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 26, 2012, 04:55:45 PM
Rumor has it he might have the moose tag too. :chuckle:
Wow......that might make a guys head explode. Could you imagine all the planning, photos, and friendships. Would be a hoot for sure.
Post by: Special T on February 26, 2012, 05:04:32 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 26, 2012, 05:08:21 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2012, 05:11:07 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 26, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 26, 2012, 05:16:35 PM
:o Wow I missed a thing or two ... :rolleyes: BASHING ? WHO IS BASHING ? This is crazy :yeah: Some of us may know who has this tag and we are all messing with each other :dunno: But know one is going to give up information on the tag holder .... THATS UP TO HIM :dunno: I just hiked my butt of all day in the snow trying to cut a kitty track and all I saw was goat tracks :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
It got a tad sideways when talking about GOV tags in general. Not this specific tag. I am pretty sure that this tag holder will do the tag justice and I am also sure that the site will have his back.
Congrats to the tag holder.
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2012, 05:38:16 PM
Rumor has it he might have the moose tag too. :chuckle:
I'm working on confirming this. I know the right people.
:twocents:
Post by: 3nails on February 26, 2012, 06:11:09 PM
Not a chance! This guy is a working slob like the rest of us. No deep pockets. Just went and pulled the trigger on what could be the hunt of his life. Definately not your typical gov. tag buyer. He knows what he's got and he's going to kick some ars on this hunt! He'll do HW proud! :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :chuckle:Rumor has it he might have the moose tag too. :chuckle:
I'm working on confirming this. I know the right people.
:twocents:
Post by: BC CHASER on February 26, 2012, 06:22:05 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 26, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
Yep, just confirmed he has the moose tag. :tup:I think you confirmed wrong :o
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Yep, just confirmed he has the moose tag. :tup:
Got the same word. Man what a season.
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2012, 06:52:21 PM
:yeah:
Post by: Bob33 on February 26, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
:yeah:Yep, just confirmed he has the moose tag. :tup:I think you confirmed wrong :o
Post by: shanevg on February 26, 2012, 07:08:10 PM
Thread Jack :chuckle:
:yeah:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I would sure hope that Hunt-WA would have this tag holders back. He sounds like a really stand up guy and from what I've heard - not the classic Governor tag holder.
I'll tell you what though, when I purchase this tag I'll keep you all informed!
Post by: Wea300mag on February 26, 2012, 07:15:40 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 26, 2012, 08:01:26 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 26, 2012, 08:15:17 PM
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Post by: blacktailer on February 26, 2012, 08:18:06 PM
Post by: shanevg on February 26, 2012, 08:23:36 PM
Also there is about 40 feet of snow at that elevation right now so I know those weren't from this weekend!
:chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: Bearhunter on February 26, 2012, 08:31:17 PM
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Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2012, 08:54:42 PM
Better keep looking.
Post by: boneaddict on February 27, 2012, 07:14:23 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 27, 2012, 07:25:09 AM
I fiqured Id let the cat out of the bag and let you all know that he has already started paying me to scout for him, i may even have to quit my day job just to find him that perfect goat to kill with his bow! Heres a picture from this weekends scouting trip!! Many more pics to come!!!8) :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: NWWA Hunter on February 27, 2012, 09:38:13 AM
Post by: 50CalJim on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 AM
Post by: hillbillyhunting on February 27, 2012, 10:09:25 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 27, 2012, 12:52:01 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 27, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
Post by: shanevg on February 27, 2012, 01:22:13 PM
So where are all these volunteers when I want to do a photo trip?
I'll take up anytime. Just let me know when.
As far as big nannies go I have a picture of a 12-13" nanny in the cliffs behind Bearhunter in his picture there. I'll try to post pics tonight when I get home from work.
Post by: boneaddict on February 27, 2012, 02:31:47 PM
Post by: hillbillyhunting on February 27, 2012, 02:36:52 PM
So where are all these volunteers when I want to do a photo trip?
I would be willing to try and work in a trip to Goat Rocks this year.
Post by: shanevg on February 27, 2012, 07:34:10 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2012, 07:46:03 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 27, 2012, 07:50:09 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 27, 2012, 08:36:32 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 27, 2012, 08:52:21 PM
Post by: NWWA Hunter on February 27, 2012, 09:30:24 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2012, 10:15:31 PM
No mass at the bases or all the way up. Billy's will typically carry there mass to the top, also to much gap between horn basses, and a teenager with her...
Th curve to the antlers too I think, no?
Learning as I go here.
Post by: blacktailer on February 28, 2012, 09:10:05 AM
Post by: blacktailer on February 28, 2012, 09:11:52 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 28, 2012, 10:20:52 AM
57 inches even the new pending World Record. Officially scored but waiting for the awards banquet to be panel judged.:yike: Thats an awesome goat .... nice mass to boot !!!! :tup: :tup:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 28, 2012, 10:22:18 AM
As promised, here are those giant nanny pics from just behind Bearhunter in the pics he posted.thats insane !!!!!!!!! :yike:
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Post by: shanevg on February 28, 2012, 09:31:06 PM
No mass at the bases or all the way up. Billy's will typically carry there mass to the top, also to much gap between horn basses, and a teenager with her...
Th curve to the antlers too I think, no?
Learning as I go here.
A great place to start is by reading this:
http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/Education/pdf/HunterEducation/MountainGoatGenderIDGuideWEBRev09102010.pdf
Two things i look at. First of all mass. A big billy starts out very massive (with the bases of the horn being bigger than the diameter of the eye) and carries that mass a long ways along the horn. This goat is a good example.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg17%2Fshanevg%2FMountain%2520goats%2FIMG_4322cropMedium.jpg&hash=70f563571f555137a6757423c9da572cc9c2333f)
A billy also tends to have his horns curve much more uniformly, almost creating a quarter circle with his horns. You can see that well in this young billy:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg17%2Fshanevg%2FMountain%2520goats%2F263583_10100486682531208_10735616_57265944_3020424_n.jpg&hash=8484b6779c8bde329a82126f1b8507c49da45a65)
Here is another young billy that really shows the mass (bigger than diameter of eye) even though he is probably only a year, maybe two old and shows the curve of the horn.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg17%2Fshanevg%2FMountain%2520goats%2F300559_10100530938412068_10735616_58087616_6752000_n.jpg&hash=d37010d431937302820d489df3b3a6f2dbc8060f)
Nannies on the other hand have much narrower horns and don't have much mass at all and don't carry the mass far at all.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg17%2Fshanevg%2FNanny.jpg&hash=2effd7d50a1daf4807548e096f9d8c2ea7333551)
They also tend to be straighter horned with more of a hook at the end as opposed to the uniform quarter circle of a billy.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg17%2Fshanevg%2FMountain%2520goats%2F263114_10100486689437368_10735616_57266174_8032785_n.jpg&hash=4653bc87503aedb5c2597690c14beae636437503)
Here is another nanny just for more comparison:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg17%2Fshanevg%2FMountain%2520goats%2F262238_10100486667391548_10735616_57265540_7820912_n.jpg&hash=867f17564e0fee9988b836e0c48a9f3aefd9d49a)
Of course you always have your tell tale give aways. Squatting to pee means nanny, standing and stretching hind legs out means billy. When billies are close to rutting they have big bulbs that swell up right behind the base of their horns. Billies tend to have dark dirty spots on their rumps. Nannies tend to stick to larger herds while billlies are more loners. I know Bearhunter said that the fact that the nanny was hanging out with a teenager goat probably means nanny but I have seen a lot of lone billies hanging out with a 1.5 year old billy - they seem to be kind of showing them the ropes. By mid October if you find a big herd with a lone goat following 300 yards behind them, there is a very high chance that lone goat is a billy as they tend to follow the herd around waiting for them to start rutting (which normally happens in November.)
Hope that helps!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 28, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
Post by: shanevg on February 28, 2012, 11:14:20 PM
Don't a lot of the billes get like black spots around the bases of there horns from a gland as well?
Yeah those show up as the rut gets closer in November.
Post by: WABONEHNTR on February 29, 2012, 01:45:02 PM
Don't a lot of the billes get like black spots around the bases of there horns from a gland as well?
Yeah those show up as the rut gets closer in November.
Nice goat shots. The glad is always there, just gets darker as the rut nears/during the rut. You can see the glad in the billy in the first pic you posted.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 29, 2012, 01:48:58 PM
Post by: jeepguy on February 29, 2012, 04:12:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 04:16:54 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 29, 2012, 04:21:07 PM
Post by: WABONEHNTR on February 29, 2012, 05:01:43 PM
The tag holder can hunt any goat unit with more than 1 tag. It has no bearing on the once in a lifetime stuff. This is not a special permit type permit. The OIL's are for special permits only. Raffles, auction tags, incentive tags, etc don't apply to the OIL stuff.
The areas the tag holder can hunt are Baker, North Chelan and Goat Rocks.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 29, 2012, 05:18:09 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on February 29, 2012, 05:41:19 PM
I can only keep secrets in for so long! :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
The tag holder can hunt any goat unit with more than 1 tag. It has no bearing on the once in a lifetime stuff. This is not a special permit type permit. The OIL's are for special permits only. Raffles, auction tags, incentive tags, etc don't apply to the OIL stuff.
The areas the tag holder can hunt are Baker, North Chelan and Goat Rocks.
Thanks for the clarification. Are those the only units that have more than 1 tag or was I incorrect and there are only certain units he can hunt?
Post by: WABONEHNTR on February 29, 2012, 05:48:02 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 29, 2012, 05:50:53 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-283
16) MOUNTAIN GOAT RAFFLE PERMIT
Season dates: September 1 - December 31
Hunt Area: Any open goat unit with two or more permits during the respective license year.
Weapon: Any legal weapon.
Bag limit: One mountain goat of either sex.
Number of permit hunters selected: 1
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 05:52:16 PM
Quote
Hunt Area: Any open goat unit with two or more permits during the respective license year.
Wouldn't that also translate to any unit with more than 1 tag?
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
You were right. I was just making it easier for everyone. :chuckle:
I like adding a challenge.
:chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on February 29, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
Well, I tried. Glad you guys are paying attention.
Post by: archery288 on February 29, 2012, 05:53:47 PM
Post by: Caseyd on February 29, 2012, 05:54:58 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 29, 2012, 08:05:01 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 29, 2012, 08:22:10 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 29, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 29, 2012, 08:36:13 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 29, 2012, 08:40:17 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
My vote is BChaser
Oh...I didn't even think about that. I'm going to call him and see if he'll fess up.
I know he was at the banquet.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 29, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
Post by: jeepguy on February 29, 2012, 08:50:05 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 29, 2012, 09:04:44 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 29, 2012, 09:13:19 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on February 29, 2012, 09:49:37 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 01, 2012, 07:16:29 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 01, 2012, 07:51:12 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2012, 08:13:24 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
:yeah:
Post by: alwinearcher on March 01, 2012, 11:53:11 AM
Yeah someone should do something .... I think it is that ALWINE ARCHER :dunno: :chuckle:
If enough people think its me does that mean i get to go goat hunting?
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 01, 2012, 03:02:30 PM
Post by: Special T on March 01, 2012, 03:04:21 PM
Post by: NWWA Hunter on March 01, 2012, 03:19:55 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on March 01, 2012, 03:27:34 PM
No, it just shows how these big money guys pay off everyone to keep there names hidden.
:tup:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 01, 2012, 03:29:22 PM
No, it just shows how these big money guys pay off everyone to keep there names hidden.
LOL... hey thats a great idea...
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2012, 03:34:30 PM
:yeah:No, it just shows how these big money guys pay off everyone to keep there names hidden.
:tup:
I love that :yeah: sign.
Post by: Caseyd on March 01, 2012, 03:35:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
I thought it was Jackelope :dunno:
Not me, however now that I've kept the big money guy's name a secret I can afford it next year. Actually I think I will put it towards a moose tag. Those cliffs in those pics are damn steep.
Post by: Bob33 on March 01, 2012, 03:40:26 PM
:yeah::yeah:No, it just shows how these big money guys pay off everyone to keep there names hidden.
:tup:
I love that :yeah: sign.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 01, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
I thought it was Jackelope :dunno:
Not me, however now that I've kept the big money guy's name a secret I can afford it next year. Actually I think I will put it towards a moose tag. Those cliffs in those pics are damn steep.
Knowing that, there will be more of us going for this tag next year... who would have imagined...
:-)
Post by: billythekidrock on March 01, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
I got a text shortly after midnight on the night the tag holder won the tag... I offered to do some bivy trips. I am looking forward to the stories and adventures! Thanks for that text by the way lol :chuckle:
I got a call from the tag holder....luckily he didn't ask me to go 'cause I would have told him to bugger off after seeing some of those cliffs. :chuckle:
I doubt he could pack a goat and me out at the same time. :IBCOOL:
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 01, 2012, 04:31:50 PM
Post by: Caseyd on March 01, 2012, 05:03:32 PM
I thought it was Jackelope :dunno:
Not me, however now that I've kept the big money guy's name a secret I can afford it next year. Actually I think I will put it towards a moose tag. Those cliffs in those pics are damn steep.
Fly in spend the night....fly out next afternoon.....easy :chuckle:
Post by: BC CHASER on March 01, 2012, 07:18:29 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2012, 07:28:31 PM
This is great!
It is great...I can't wait to go moose hunting next year. You better be ready!!
Post by: BC CHASER on March 01, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
Post by: BillyGoathunter on March 02, 2012, 02:46:44 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 02, 2012, 02:49:16 PM
Post by: Caseyd on March 02, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 02, 2012, 02:50:51 PM
Ok guys enough hiding out Im hear, and its official I have the Governors Goat tag and can hardly wait to get up on the hill!!!! All the rumors are true I do have Doyle Moss on the mountain as we speak searching for that State Record Nanny for me. I have been going threw all my gear and upgraded my rifle from iron sights to a great tasco fixed 2X scope so I can reach out and touch something now. Thinking about getting one of those canvas tents and wood stoves and having it dropped by chopper up on the Black Buttes. Also gonna buying some of those Mud Terrain type tires so that we can get in deep with the Subaru and not have to hike as far. Conditioning is going well, Cut back from a 12 pack of Kokanee to a 6 pack of Busch Lite per day. Doyle says thou that not to worry to much cause if we just get a chopper and theres no hikers up on the mountain we may just be able to shoot one from the air and then fly it out on the hook, that would be off the HOOK YO!!! Almost forgot.... guess what?????? Everyone will be able to watch cause ALWINE is gonna have live streaming footage linked to HUNTWA for all to watch!! Who needs luck when ya got at least a dozen state records running around the mountain and Doyle sleeping with them!!!! :drool:LMAO, who is this clown? :chuckle: :chuckle: :lol4:
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2012, 03:00:01 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on March 02, 2012, 03:03:47 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on March 02, 2012, 03:18:14 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on March 02, 2012, 04:26:10 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on March 02, 2012, 04:31:52 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on March 02, 2012, 04:49:10 PM
Post by: B.G.hunter on March 02, 2012, 05:03:56 PM
Ok guys enough hiding out Im hear, and its official I have the Governors Goat tag and can hardly wait to get up on the hill!!!! All the rumors are true I do have Doyle Moss on the mountain as we speak searching for that State Record Nanny for me. I have been going threw all my gear and upgraded my rifle from iron sights to a great tasco fixed 2X scope so I can reach out and touch something now. Thinking about getting one of those canvas tents and wood stoves and having it dropped by chopper up on the Black Buttes. Also gonna buying some of those Mud Terrain type tires so that we can get in deep with the Subaru and not have to hike as far. Conditioning is going well, Cut back from a 12 pack of Kokanee to a 6 pack of Busch Lite per day. Doyle says thou that not to worry to much cause if we just get a chopper and theres no hikers up on the mountain we may just be able to shoot one from the air and then fly it out on the hook, that would be off the HOOK YO!!! Almost forgot.... guess what?????? Everyone will be able to watch cause ALWINE is gonna have live streaming footage linked to HUNTWA for all to watch!! Who needs luck when ya got at least a dozen state records running around the mountain and Doyle sleeping with them!!!! :drool::chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: shanevg on March 02, 2012, 05:36:45 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 02, 2012, 07:19:55 PM
Post by: BillyGoathunter on March 02, 2012, 07:37:47 PM
http://www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?344-Can-t-wait
Post by: boneaddict on March 02, 2012, 07:54:32 PM
Remember my offer, there are guaranteed goats in the wenas
Post by: billythekidrock on March 02, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
This native is getting restless.
Post by: 50CalJim on March 02, 2012, 09:03:19 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on March 02, 2012, 09:10:23 PM
Post by: Tbar on March 02, 2012, 10:21:18 PM
Hey BillyGoatHunter congrats on tag. :rolleyes: I'm hearing that Primos is coming out with a Nanny in Estrus call that really brings in them dominate Billys. Anyway figured I'd give ya a heads up so you can start workn on your Goat calling. :tup:. If its a hoochie nanny i'm interested.
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
Yelp helped them with the design.
Post by: Caseyd on March 03, 2012, 12:59:59 AM
It's a squealer....modified version of the turkey squealer.
Yelp helped them with the design.
Did you see his IPO today...up 60% :chuckle:
Post by: Capt Morgan on March 13, 2012, 06:21:35 PM